Can we talk about relaxing bone straight and why people do this??

[Neroli]

I would say I am at about 50%. It is getting to be a pain.

When I was younger I used to relax my own hair and it was bone straight. Now I am always scared to leave it in longer. That is my problem - the fear of over processing. I do think I need to leave it in longer. I was even thinking of getting it professionally done and just doing my own hair in between.

Whoa, 50%! I could not do that with my 4z hair, no way. The first time I self relaxed, I only it like 50% and it was horrible to manage -- just pure frizz, no curls or coils, and not much different from my new growth. I refuse to use heat, so after 2 weeks of pure anguish trying to decide whether to go the salon or redo it myself, I went into braids for like a month and then I self relaxed again and left it on longer and I got much much better result, like 80%. I now got a pretty good idea how long to leave on, how to smooth, etc. to get a fairly consistent, though always the same result. . . .

 

[Amour]

I can texturized which to me is different to texlaxing. I think when hair is texturized is has a curl pattern particularly when wet thus enabling curly wash n go's; whereas texlaxed hair is straight but with more body than bone str8.

Anyway having said that I really like being texturized although I do find it more work than having bone straight but more ALOT managament than being natural.

Anyway, I personally prefer my text hair because it allows me to wear curly styles (something I've not yet perfected, i need to learn some new techniques and grow some more hair 1st) and can get it pretty straight too.

Now after all that, I think this is what the thread is about ut

 

[CurleeDST]

With bone straight doesn't it create even a more sensitive demarcation line?

 

[HairBearerCare]

Well, I get my hair relaxed bone straight... but everytime I do a wash and go it looks like the pics here... the pics show my hair washed and air dried... looks like I might not need to do the bone straights anymore because my hair looks funny with waved ends and bone straight new growth

 

[HoneyDew]

Whoa, 50%! I could not do that with my 4z hair, no way. The first time I self relaxed, I only it like 50% and it was horrible to manage -- just pure frizz, no curls or coils, and not much different from my new growth. I refuse to use heat, so after 2 weeks of pure anguish trying to decide whether to go the salon or redo it myself, I went into braids for like a month and then I self relaxed again and left it on longer and I got much much better result, like 80%. I now got a pretty good idea how long to leave on, how to smooth, etc. to get a fairly consistent, though always the same result. . . .

Yes I have all kinds of problems. That is why I have to use my flatiron. I really need to stop using that thing!!!

I am seriously comtemplating a corrective - or just learning to get used to my less than sleek rollersets.

But, I am hoping that the saran wrap thing afterwards will help smooth me out a bit.

 

[Neroli]

Well, I get my hair relaxed bone straight... but everytime I do a wash and go it looks like the pics here... the pics show my hair washed and air dried... looks like I might not need to do the bone straights anymore because my hair looks funny with waved ends and bone straight new growth

Beautiful hair! I would NOT call this bone straight, but that's just me . . .

 

[HairBearerCare]

Thank you Neroli! Oh it's just my new growth that I get relaxed bone straight, and after a while once they grow out, I get a wave pattern and I don't tex-lax... it's weird...

 

[Nightingale]

Thank you Neroli! Oh it's just my new growth that I get relaxed bone straight, and after a while once they grow out, I get a wave pattern and I don't tex-lax... it's weird...

I'd call your hair texlaxed only because it has a visible wave pattern and texture, even if you didn't do it on purpose. By the way, welcome to the board!

 

[HairBearerCare]

Oh thanks very much for the welcome nubianqt86! But it's true that I get my hair relaxed bone straight, if I take a pic of my new growth you would see that that part is straight while the rest of my hair is waved and such, but eventually that straight new growth will end up looking textlaxed. Like right now my roots are straight a close up would show it better

 

[thegirltolove]

Thank you Neroli! Oh it's just my new growth that I get relaxed bone straight, and after a while once they grow out, I get a wave pattern and I don't tex-lax... it's weird...

You know what? I notice that my hair does the same thing! I would try to get it as bone-straight as possible, but after it would grow out some, it would always be wavy when I washed. I thought I was alone in that!

 

[PacificPurinsesu]

i love your hair - do you relax bone straight?

No. I have thought about it though. I have seen alot who are bone straight and have gorgeous hair. Southerngirl was bone straight and her hair was wow.
I was reading this thread and saw she mentioned it.
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=68638&highlight=vitale+relaxer

 

[HairBearerCare]

Nope, you're not alone thegirltolove!!!

 

[netnet26]

I relax bone straight every 8-12 weeks...sometimes 6 weeks if I have an important event.

I just love the ease of styling bone straight hair....on a normal wash day I just airdry and then put it in a ponytail and its straight........if I sweat I don't have to worry about having to flat iron, because there is no reversion.
I guess I'm lazy but I would prefer to get bone straight hair by relaxing once every 8 weeks, than putting forth all kinds of effort to straighten texturized hair every week.

I love the versitility as well....when its hot or when i sweat...i dont have to worry bout using more heat on my strands...just because u are bone straight does not mean your hair is less healthier or more damaged then texlaxed hair!!!!! Sum of us just perfer it that way.

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[princesmich]

I only allow perms to stay on for 5 minutes because they burn my scalp I can't understand how people use strong perms or keep perms on for beyond 10 minutes

 

[firecracker]

I am sure the chemicals are being absorbed through the scalp so lifeless hair is a minor issue in comparison.

 

[Neroli]

I am sure the chemicals are being absorbed through the scalp so lifeless hair is a minor issue in comparison.

True. We are exposed to soooo many chemicals in this modern era -- stuff we ingest like the massive hormones fed to the chickens and cows we consume to the every air we breathe, that I don't go too crazy about a relaxer that's on my scalp for 15 minutes 4 times a year. This was also the reason NOT apply relaxer directly to scalp, to limit time scalp is exposed to chemicals and stretch between applications. When I finally realized this, I started texlaxing and stretching. I now touchup 4 times a year as opposed to the 8 to 10 times a year before . . .

My motto, moderation in all things as much as possible . . .

 

[Sistaslick]

You know what? I notice that my hair does the same thing! I would try to get it as bone-straight as possible, but after it would grow out some, it would always be wavy when I washed. I thought I was alone in that!

This is actually quite common. My hair is texlaxed, but it appears bone straight the day of and a week or so after the relaxer. My final texture doesn't emerge until a bit after the actual relaxer. This happens because different bonds within the hair shaft are affected by chemical relaxing-- not just the disulfide bonds (the ones primarily responsible for the curl/kink). The disulfide bonds are just the ones that are permanently destroyed from the process. Hydrogen bonds on the otherhand which are also naturally responsible for the strength and shape of the hair shaft, can be reformed. So even when those primary disulfide bonds are permanently destroyed, the other bonds in your hair shaft can and do reform to affect the final result of your hair's turnout. The story is a little more complicated than simple disulfide bond breakage.

This phenomenon of late reversion always begins with incomplete disulfide bond breakage. In reality, there is no way that you can achieve 100% disulfide bond breakage within the hair strand. Your hair would dissintergrate. So whether you relax bone straight or not, you still have disulfide bonds that are still unchanged by relaxing. Texlaxers just have a greater degree of intact disulfide bonds. So your hair will always have a little bit of "texture" to it if allowed to dry unmanipulated.

If you think about it, most of the time when you are processing and smoothing your relaxer, your hair looks super straight with the creme still on there. You can really see it if you do your own relaxers. You wait your required time and then you rinse. Even at the first rinsing you can start to see how well your relaxer "took" because as hydrogen bonds begin to reform your hair begins to adopt its true bond arrangement minus the strong disulfide bonds. You can see some curl pattern re-emerging as the hydrogen bonding starts taking place. Subsequent washings really help you see how well your relaxer actually relaxed your hair.

 

[Neroli]

This is actually quite common. My hair is texlaxed, but it appears bone straight the day of and a week or so after the relaxer. My final texture doesn't emerge until a bit after the actual relaxer. This happens because different bonds within the hair shaft are affected by chemical relaxing-- not just the disulfide bonds (the ones primarily responsible for the curl/kink). The disulfide bonds are just the ones that are permanently destroyed from the process. Hydrogen bonds on the otherhand which are also naturally responsible for the strength and shape of the hair shaft, can be reformed. So even when those primary disulfide bonds are permanently destroyed, the other bonds in your hair shaft can and do reform to affect the final result of your hair's turnout. The story is a little more complicated than simple disulfide bond breakage.

This phenomenon of late reversion always begins with incomplete disulfide bond breakage. In reality, there is no way that you can achieve 100% disulfide bond breakage within the hair strand. Your hair would dissintergrate. So whether you relax bone straight or not, you still have disulfide bonds that are still unchanged by relaxing. Texlaxers just have a greater degree of intact disulfide bonds. So your hair will always have a little bit of "texture" to it if allowed to dry unmanipulated.

If you think about it, most of the time when you are processing and smoothing your relaxer, your hair looks super straight with the creme still on there. You can really see it if you do your own relaxers. You wait your required time and then you rinse. Even at the first rinsing you can start to see how well your relaxer "took" because as hydrogen bonds begin to reform your hair begins to adopt its true bond arrangement minus the strong disulfide bonds. You can see some curl pattern re-emerging as the hydrogen bonding starts taking place. Subsequent washings really help you see how well your relaxer actually relaxed your hair.

This must be why back in my bone straight days, I would hate my freshly relaxed hair for the first couple of weeks and only after a few washes until I start liking. It would be sooooo flat at first, then seem to thicken up after washing a few times . . .

 

[Nightingale]

Oh thanks very much for the welcome nubianqt86! But it's true that I get my hair relaxed bone straight, if I take a pic of my new growth you would see that that part is straight while the rest of my hair is waved and such, but eventually that straight new growth will end up looking textlaxed. Like right now my roots are straight a close up would show it better

Whats your regimen? Do you wet your hair often? Regardless, it's very pretty.

 

[Sistaslick]

This must be why back in my bone straight days, I would hate my freshly relaxed hair for the first couple of weeks and only after a few washes until I start liking. It would be sooooo flat at first, then seem to thicken up after washing a few times . . .

Exactly!

That's why people think that you can "wash out" a relaxer-- or "sweat out a perm." The reversion is simply hydrogen rebonding in both cases. It's the same thing that happens when we press or flatiron our hair and then introduce water to the shaft in the form of humidity or rain. Hydrogen bonds break from the arrangement we've pressed/ironed them into and return to their normal arrangement. AKA puff and frizz. Relaxers also break these hydrogen bonds, but they are reformable and they do reform when water is introduced to ths shaft.

 

[peacensoul]

This is easy.. If you have hair like mine trying to attempt bone straight is the only chance I have. My hair is not like everyone elses. I have 100% African hair. It is soo hard to manage. My mothers side has very thick long hair and my fathers side has very thick long hair too. So my combo is fierce. My mother has beautiful thick hair and its not tough like mine she actually grows baby hairs but me on the other hand my baby hairs don't exist they are just rough knots. So when I relax even with super my hair still doesnt get bone straight. On top of that i have a round head so poofy hair with a round head looks like Oprah in the early 90s. Can you say ATROCIOUS... I think we shouldnt get slack for wanting bone straight hair because everyone does not have the same texture of hair.

We need to understand that we are not all created equally. Looking at the member who originally posted the hair I understand why she wouldnt want bone straight hair because her hair would look flat and dead. But me on the other hand that is the only way that my hair is easily managed. I've been growing out my hair for months and i get head sore because my hair growth pattern is very small waves so it causes my scalp to be irritated.


I hope that helped to explain why we want bone straight

 

[HairBearerCare]

Thank you nubianqt86 I pmed you

 

[Babydall818]

Relaxers that straighten to me are : Mizani (lye) and Fabulaxer (back in the day it got my hair really straight and my beautician used it)

Thank you. I keep hearing about Mizani I'm tempted.. do you self relax with it?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I relax bone straight and have seen no damage since I found the boards and know how to care for my hair. Right now I'm stretching, but after my touch-up I can airdry and the result is straight hair. I really don't need to flat iron or rollerset or any of that.
Relaxing bone straight is easier for me. If you know what you are doing, it does not have to = damage.

I prefer straighter especially when I am working out regularly. I sweat a lot and with my hair straight I can wash, condition and air dry as often as needed. When I am not straight I have to use heat often because I wash often. That's what got me caught in the "micro braid" trap.... Starting over now... I'll be straight again in 2 weeks.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

This is easy.. If you have hair like mine trying to attempt bone straight is the only chance I have. My hair is not like everyone elses. I have 100% African hair. It is soo hard to manage. My mothers side has very thick long hair and my fathers side has very thick long hair too. So my combo is fierce. My mother has beautiful thick hair and its not tough like mine she actually grows baby hairs but me on the other hand my baby hairs don't exist they are just rough knots. So when I relax even with super my hair still doesnt get bone straight. On top of that i have a round head so poofy hair with a round head looks like Oprah in the early 90s. Can you say ATROCIOUS... I think we shouldnt get slack for wanting bone straight hair because everyone does not have the same texture of hair.

We need to understand that we are not all created equally. Looking at the member who originally posted the hair I understand why she wouldnt want bone straight hair because her hair would look flat and dead. But me on the other hand that is the only way that my hair is easily managed. I've been growing out my hair for months and i get head sore because my hair growth pattern is very small waves so it causes my scalp to be irritated.


I hope that helped to explain why we want bone straight

ITA:
I have had the sore scalp thing happen to me in the past as well!! I have found recently that sulfur growth aid products like Boundless Tresses helps to loosen the waves a bit, but I also just read that you should stop using it before a touch up because it makes the hair hard to relax... I have to get more details on this before I do a touch up. I love the fact that it does loosen up the curl pattern a bit as well as help with the growth.