Ha! Now that was funny......interestingly enough those products have been being stocked at sage like clockwork weekly for months while the qb website has been closed.....curiously (and right before the sage cyber sale i might add) qb has not restocked sage and has reopened its site and "doesn't know yet" whether sage will be stocked with qb for the sale....meanwhile, as has been the case for the past year, there is still not details on a qb sale on the qb site. Go figure.....i just found the timing in this situation interesting ......admittedly i haven't been in the qb thread in a day or so....so maybe it has been resolved and i can quit being suspect......but if not.....IJS