what's the difference btw cbl and sl?

[choconillaprincess]

seems the same to me? om trying to classify my length... stretched it reaches my collarbone in the back... jaw every where else

 

[sweetlaughter]

I am sure Nonie can explain it with her pic.

I think of cbl being the same as full sl because most people consider sl starting at the top of the slope for the shoulders and not the bottom.

 

[nzeee]

i know this is contrary to some of the length charts i've seen. but for me CBL is between SL&APL.

i consider myself CBL and i'm about... 1.5" from APL i think :/

 

[Nonie]

Well as far as the majority on LHCF are concerned, it's where the nape reaches your body that determines what your length is.

CBL is full SL.

Most people have shoulders that slant so at the neck, the shoulders are higher and I consider that point the end of NL and start of SL. Since shoulder's slant, you will find you will be at SL for a while while the hair gets to a length that can reach the lowest point of your shoulder. That point is about the same level as your collarbone which is why we refer to it as full SL.

So if you're at CBL, you're also at full SL. This image may help you understand what I mean:

 

[kupenda]

I consider myself CBL/SL because the difference between the two is so fuzzy. When I straighten my hair in the back, it touches my actual collarbone. In the front, I'm between my neck and jaw bone. So to me, you are still SL when you're CBL.


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[nakialovesshoes]

I always thought CBL was pretty much in between SL & APL.

 

[Nonie]

i know this is contrary to some of the length charts i've seen. but for me CBL is between SL&APL.

i consider myself CBL and i'm about... 1.5" from APL i think :/

I always thought CBL was pretty much in between SL & APL.

Not if you look at a human anatomy, or do a search for what shoulder length hair is. For the rest of the world, shoulder-length is when your hair sits on your shoulders. Your shoulders don't just mean the part touching your neck but the entire surface which ends at the point your arms are attached. So as long as your hair is only reaching there, it's at SL. But since CBL is the lowest point of the shoulders, then CBL is somewhat the threshold after which you can claim to be between SL and APL. Until you get to CBL, you're still at SL.

I think the skeletal images below help you see this more clearly:

Nonie's Hair Length Approximation Chart
NL = neck length; SL = shoulder length; CBL = collarbone length; APL = armpit length; BSB = below shoulder blades; MBL = midback length; WL = waist length; HBL = hipbone length; BL = butt length; MTL = mid-thigh length; KL = knee length; MCL = mid-calf length; AL = ankle length; then I added FL (floor length, even though it's not a body part just coz I'd drawn the line and didn't feel like coloring it out. Guess, I could've called it Sole Length...but another SL would've been too confusing. Maybe we can pretend it's foot length. )

 

[nzeee]

Nonie... hmmm... well, i'm past that length in the back and at my chin in the front.

don't tell me that's still SL!! goddammit! i've seen many intimate that CBL is below SL so i've adopted that. i consider top of shoulders full NL...

i know everyone's different. but around what length would you say CBL would be *on average* ?

 

[Trini_Chutney]

IMO CBL is full SL.

 

[Nonie]

@Nonie... hmmm... well, i'm past that length in the back and at my chin in the front.

don't tell me that's still SL!! goddammit! i've seen many intimate that CBL is below SL so i've adopted that. i consider top of shoulders full NL...

i know everyone's different. but around what length would you say CBL would be *on average* ?

nzeee Well, if you're past it then you're past it and are between SL and APL. Those who are just touching it are still at SL only at full SL aka CBL.

As I stated, on LHCF, the majority only care about where the nape reaches.

 

[silenttullip]

lol my collar bone is right below where my shoulders begin BUT above where they end so unless there's some really long collarbones its above shoulder length. Easy way to figure out... Look at that bone that sticks out under your neck at your collar if your hair doesn't past that it's cbl.

 

[JeterCrazed]

I'm so glad somebody asked this question. Thank God cuz I was pondering today I was measuring myself for like half an hour

 

[Saga]

I claimed SL when my hair in the back that wasn't at the very nape touched my shoulders.
I didn't claim CBL until my hair, from the sides and back, went on and below the middle of my collar bones.
It's rly just SL but it's still a mile stone.
Technically BSL shouldn't even be a length since everyone's bra strap is put on differently, but Who's to stop one girl from claiming it? Not me.

 

[nakialovesshoes]

Not if you look at a human anatomy, or do a search for what shoulder length hair is. For the rest of the world, shoulder-length is when your hair sits on your shoulders. Your shoulders don't just mean the part touching your neck but the entire surface which ends at the point your arms are attached. So as long as your hair is only reaching there, it's at SL. But since CBL is the lowest point of the shoulders, then CBL is somewhat the threshold after which you can claim to be between SL and APL. Until you get to CBL, you're still at SL.

I think the skeletal images below help you see this more clearly:

@Nonie Right that's what I was saying. SL, then CBL, then APL. So CBL would be in between SL & APL.

Oh wait, are you saying that technically, CBL is still SL? If so, then I see your point. Had to reread. LOL

 

[Nonie]

nakialovesshoes, yes CBL is the final point of SL. Once you pass CBL you can then claim to be between SL and APL. From the point where you leave NL until CBL, you are at SL. CBL is a major achievement and deserves recognition because it is the one point at which even the world outside of LHCF cannot deny your SL status. It also helps us on LHCF recognize that you are now on your way to APL and are moving away from that ever so long stay at SL.

 

[Nonie]

I claimed SL when my hair in the back that wasn't at the very nape touched my shoulders.
I didn't claim CBL until my hair, from the sides and back, went on and below the middle of my collar bones.
It's rly just SL but it's still a mile stone.
Technically BSL shouldn't even be a length since everyone's bra strap is put on differently, but Who's to stop one girl from claiming it? Not me.

@DanceOnTheSkylines, I don't think many people use BSL anymore. If you look at the two diagrams I posted, Below Shoulder Bone [<--Huh? I meant "Blade". I still blame the cold and wet weather we are having for my crazy brain today] is the next stop after APL. Sticking to body parts makes keeping track of progress more accurate.

 

[Saga]

@DanceOnTheSkylines, I don't think many people use BSL anymore. If you look at the two diagrams I posted, Below Shoulder Bone is the next stop after APL. Sticking to body parts makes keeping track of progress more accurate.

Oh that's good. Yea, I use the term BSB too. I feel like using anatomy as opposed to clothes is a better way to define length.

 

[Stormy]

Thanks OP for starting this thread and thanks Nonie for posting those images! I always thought CBL and SL were the same. Now I know I was right about my length!

 

[choconillaprincess]

great thanks for the responses! so guess i'll claim sl since i am just barely grazing cbl with the back of my hair... it'll give me a a short term goal because apl seemed to far away

 

[diadall]

nakialovesshoes, yes CBL is the final point of SL. Once you pass CBL you can then claim to be between SL and APL. From the point where you leave NL until CBL, you are at SL. CBL is a major achievement and deserves recognition because it is the one point at which even the world outside of LHCF cannot deny your SL status. It also helps us on LHCF recognize that you are now on your way to APL and are moving away from that ever so long stay at SL.

You ain't never lied. Trying to get to APL is a beast!

 

[nakialovesshoes]

@DanceOnTheSkylines, I don't think many people use BSL anymore. If you look at the two diagrams I posted, Below Shoulder Bone [<--Huh? I meant "Blade". I still blame the cold and wet weather we are having for my crazy brain today] is. the next stop after APL. Sticking to body parts makes keeping track of progress more accurate.

Nonie Now that I think about it, this chart is the best. I think that we should do away with BSL. That way folks can stop pushing their bras up high just to claim BSL.

 

[Nonie]

@Nonie Now that I think about it, this chart is the best. I think that we should do away with BSL. That way folks can stop pushing their bras up high just to claim BSL.

nakialovesshoes, I always like it when someone makes that point so I can pull out my visual of why BSL isn't such a good marker.

 

[nakialovesshoes]

@nakialovesshoes, I always like it when someone makes that point so I can pull out my visual of why BSL isn't such a good marker.

Nonie

Sorry OT, I will not cut up with Nonie anymore.

 

[LaidBak]

On my body, my collar bone is below my shoulder. My hair rested on my shoulder first, then reached down to my collar bone in the front.

 

[pookaloo83]

I think CBL and SL are different.

 

[Stormy]

@Nonie Now that I think about it, this chart is the best. I think that we should do away with BSL. That way folks can stop pushing their bras up high just to claim BSL.

That is too funny! I didn't know people did that!

 

[Nonie]

On my body, my collar bone is below my shoulder. My hair rested on my shoulder first, then reached down to my collar bone in the front.

LaidBak, it depends on what part of your collarbone you're looking at. In the image below, the white line represents your collarbone. The red line the lowest point of your shoulder. You can see that the red line crosses the collarbone where you may pull down your nape hair to reach CBL when you turn your head to the side. So if you can pull that little lock of hair showing on the left down to where the lines cross, then you can claim CBL or full SL, IMO.

I can take down the pic if you want me to, but wanted to give you a visual. Let me know.

 

[LaidBak]

@LaidBak, it depends on what part of your collarbone you're looking at. In the image below, the white line represents your collarbone. The red line the lowest point of your shoulder. You can see that the red line crosses the collarbone where you may pull down your nape hair to reach CBL when you turn your head to the side. So if you can pull that little lock of hair showing on the left down to where the lines cross, then you can claim CBL or full SL, IMO.

I can take down the pic if you want me to, but wanted to give you a visual. Let me know.

Wow...really? I have a more keep-it-simple type definition.

When I pulled a piece of hair down (on the side) it sat on my shoulder first. Sat on my shoulder as in touched my skin while hanging; as in started to get caught in my purse strap; as in gave me the willies because I thought something was crawling on me. I'm not an 'imaginary line drawn from the arbitrary bottom of the shoulder' type Gal. I'm an 'actual physical landmark' using kinda Gal.

6 weeks later that same piece of hair reached my collar bone. Meaning when I flexed my shoulders forward and my collar bone popped out my hair was sitting on it.

Also including a picture for the visual. So on MY body, CBL is lower than SL.

ETA: the picture you used was actually a self portrait. Though you can't tell, my arm is outstretched and taking the picture. In the one I attached I used the timer, so my arms are both hanging straight down.

 

[Nonie]

Wow...really? I have a more keep-it-simple type definition.

When I pulled a piece of hair down (on the side) it sat on my shoulder first. Sat on my shoulder as in touched my skin while hanging; as in started to get caught in my purse strap; as in gave me the willies because I thought something was crawling on me. I'm not an 'imaginary line drawn from the arbitrary bottom of the shoulder' type Gal. I'm an 'actual physical landmark' using kinda Gal.

6 weeks later that same piece of hair reached my collar bone. Meaning when I flexed my shoulders forward and my collar bone popped out my hair was sitting on it.

Also including a picture for the visual. So on MY body, CBL is lower than SL.

ETA: the picture you used was actually a self portrait. Though you can't tell, my arm is outstretched and taking the picture. In the one I attached I used the timer, so my arms are both hanging straight down.

Even in the photo you posted, I still maintain that when your hair reaches CBL it's full shoulder length. To separate the two is to ignore the part of your shoulder that falls below the part you call shoulder.

Point being that for the majority of people in the world, CBL is SL from what they can see. So to be claiming that when you reach CBL you've past SL is kinda wishful thinking. I'll save you the trouble of doing the search to see what images show up by doing this.

ETA @LaidBak, look at the black line you drew to represent SL. Notice it touches your clavicle right at the center of your shoulder.

 

[HauteHippie]

Also including a picture for the visual. So on MY body, CBL is lower than SL

I hear you. On each and every body, Collar Bone Length is lower than Shoulder Length, though the small, bony, uppermost part of the clavicle is technically at the very top... of the shoulder (made of muscles, which cover the bone)... because it's performing its duty and verifying that shoulder length is indeed above collar bone length.

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