LYING about your hair texture ???

[snillohsss]

Are you talking about that vid that Taren made about people not accepting her in the natural hair community because she has type 3 hair?

I was wondering if anyone here would post it so the board can discuss it.

ETA: didn't see your response before I posted to you. I assumed she was referring to Taren's vid not Kimmay's.

I saw Taren's video too and was shocked that no one posted it.

 

[anartist4u2001]

Re: LYING about your hair TYPE ???

YouTube - Lying about Hair Type to be Legit?


u ain't gotta lie Craig........

 

[BostonMaria]

Are you talking about that vid that Taren made about people not accepting her in the natural hair community because she has type 3 hair?

I was wondering if anyone here would post it so the board can discuss it.

ETA: didn't see your response before I posted to you. I assumed she was referring to Taren's vid not Kimmay's.

Oh yeah I forgot about that video. Here it is for those who haven't seen it.
YouTube - Being "Natural" means... Black & Kinky ONLY?? Huh??


I love the fact that there are blogs, videos, forums for ALL types of hair. We women of color come in all shades and hair types so it only makes sense.

 

[knt1229]

I saw Taren's video too and was shocked that no one posted it.

Me too. I guess LHCF ain't up on it like they used to be.

ETA: Thanks for posting it BostonMaria!!

 

[anartist4u2001]

i was washin' a video by one youtuber last month. in the title of the video, she put that she was either doin' a wash and go or she was detangling her 4a hair. i was like now sis you know that you have 4b hair sis. then i had my sister look at it too and she was like girllllllllll.

the point is the girl was liein' yall.

 

[anartist4u2001]

girl you know i did... i change it up frequently
niiigh i say......who gone check me boo

you're too funny.

 

[msMicaela]

I think that people that look for ways to put people down or even make up things.....are insecure.






Its not that serious.

 

[Embyra]

haha, that was crazaay! [/QUOTE

you was asking similar questions i was going to ask about my hair as it doesnt seem to fit the 4s im seeing but then i would have been told im trying to REACH and claim the 3s so i didnt bother.....hence me still not knowing my hair type

 

[Irresistible]

haha, that was crazaay! [/QUOTE

you was asking similar questions i was going to ask about my hair as it doesnt seem to fit the 4s im seeing but then i would have been told im trying to REACH and claim the 3s so i didnt bother.....hence me still not knowing my hair type

Aww that part of all this sucks. I'm so known to just speak up on stuff backlash be damned , but still that comment was like 'you kiddin right" like REALLY? REALLY? that comment to me was reaching IMO

Sad you cant just ask, but I'll be dizamed if Im'a be a natural this long and let some overzealous natural with the type 4 fever tell me how I feel about my own hair and my intentions. pulease!

we all want to be a 4 to fit in . get serious already.

I think we should all claim 4a and get it over with , that would be some serious jedi mind tricks to end this crap

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

From what I understand from a few of the comments, since I have 4b hair I am going to Hades.

But while Im there I will enjoy my thick, puffy cloud of napps.

i thought i was the only one seeing that

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

Aww that part of all this sucks. I'm so known to just speak up on stuff backlash be damned , but still that comment was like 'you kiddin right" like REALLY? REALLY? that comment to me was reaching IMO

Sad you cant just ask, but I'll be dizamed if Im'a be a natural this long and let some overzealous natural with the type 4 fever tell me how I feel about my own hair and my intentions. pulease!

we all want to be a 4 to fit in . get serious already.

I think we should all claim 4a and get it over with , that would be some serious jedi mind tricks to end this crap

NAAAAAW CRAIG.......I towwwwd ju' U ain't gotta lie to kick it!

 

[ChristmasCarol]

Irresistible

"type 4 fever"

 

[Stepiphanie]

Homegirl needs to go sit down somewhere. First I'm not sure why she said "spawned from all things evil" in regards to type 4 hair. If someone is lying about their type 3 being a type 4 wouldn't that be the opposite.

I've seen this happen on occasion, where someone's texture is looser than they claim, but I usually attribute it to the flaws in the hair typing system itself. There are black women with all hair types and there is a place for them in the "natural hair community" so I don't see the point of lying. I also don't understand the backlash against looser textures, isn't it all supposed to be about embracing and loving the real you? Why dismiss someone solely bc they're texture is different? just because I can't detangle my uber thick kinks in 10 mins, doesn't mean I can't take other valuable hair advice from a looser textured person. erplexed

 

[Embyra]

Aww that part of all this sucks. I'm so known to just speak up on stuff backlash be damned , but still that comment was like 'you kiddin right" like REALLY? REALLY? that comment to me was reaching IMO

Sad you cant just ask, but I'll be dizamed if Im'a be a natural this long and let some overzealous natural with the type 4 fever tell me how I feel about my own hair and my intentions. pulease!

we all want to be a 4 to fit in . get serious already.

I think we should all claim 4a and get it over with , that would be some serious jedi mind tricks to end this crap

jedi mind tricks your post always crack me up

hair texture and having thinnatural hair are definitely 2 things i notice with some of the sly comments

 

[beana]

I dont think its something people set out to do, but it certainly happens a lot. I see some people claiming type 4 hair and i just

To be real:

I came to this board to find out how to care for MY hair ... and since MY hair is type 4, thats who i primarily seek out and pay attention to. That does not mean I don't admire the HHJ of women with looser hair textures, i just dont find it relevant to my own personal journey. I am just 1 of X00,000 members her and im sure there are plenty of other women who find the wealth of info about every hair type useful.

 

[glamazon386]

This is not so.....
Type 3c can also have all the same characteristics and challenges. my hair is dry -I drown it in oil and moisurizers, it packs together, clumps, and the hairs can/will marry each other, they knot up, its dense and massive , and detangling my hair can lead to breakage too and my hair shrinks from tailbone/hip , to my shoulder ain't that massive?

Well I said MOST. Not ALL. And just because Type 4 is typically characterized as being drier than types 1 to 3 does not mean that type 3 can't be dry. I never said that. I never said Type 4 was the be all and end all. I just merely stated the facts and there are always exceptions.

Your hair could be a coarse type 3, hence the shrinkage and tangling. You have kinks and curls as a 3 so I would expect shrinkage, tangling, etc. But not to the same degree as a 4. I mean is type 3 not defined as a looser curl pattern than 3? Irresitable, I'm not trying to downplay your hair characteristics, just saying that many type 4's experience those things and are more likely to experience those things compared to looser textures. Just because something is characteristic of type 4 doesn't mean it can't happen to a type 3. It's not mutually exclusive. You're a 3c right? I also think there is a lot of overlap with 3c and 4a partly because 3c wasn't originally in the typing system. It was added after the fact by the people at NC.com.

Ironically, my hair is a Type 4 however I do not have issues with tangling or dryness. I do have massive shrinkage but again there are exceptions to every rule. That may change when my hair gets longer though.

 

[glamazon386]

Tell me about it!my hair is the land of knots but, yes it harder for sebum to travel further down the hair shaft and distribute itself evenly but you can counteract this by moisturising and deep conditioning more. Before I started taking care of my hair it was ridiculously hard to manage, after not so. I keep it mouisturised and conditioned now I really cant complain. Im just tired of hearing about 4a/b hair beeing the hardest hair texture to deal with ... At the end of the day its hair, deal with it ...

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But just because that works for your hair, doesn't mean it will work for everybody else's either. I've seen plenty of people post saying no matter what they try their hair still feels dry or looks dry. I can think of quite a few posters off hand natural and relaxed. Some of which have been on the board for years and are still in the same boat.

But ya'll are taking offense at "being the hardest to deal with" like it's personal or it's something completely horrible to say. Like the statement in itself is an insult. OP, I don't mean you personally I'm just speaking generally. I don't see it that way. I mean it is what it is. There are certain characteristics that go with certain hair types. It may not even be about the numbers but more the presence of kinks and curls. Obviously it's going to take me longer to detangle a head full of kinks than some looser curls or waves. Would that not be characterized as more difficult and time consuming? Would that not make the hair harder to deal with as opposed to gliding a comb through with ease? Doesn't mean the hair is worse or less than. Just more difficult and time consuming to deal with. But that could also be said for longer hair. Nobody takes offense to the statement that longer hair is harder to deal with. Why take issue with comments about texture and only really when it's type 4? Is that because it's the "nappy" texture in some peoples eyes?

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

But just because that works for your hair, doesn't mean it will work for everybody else's either. I've seen plenty of people post saying no matter what they try their hair still feels dry or looks dry. I can think of quite a few posters off hand natural and relaxed. Some of which have been on the board for years and are still in the same boat.

But ya'll are taking offense at "being the hardest to deal with" like it's personal or it's something completely horrible to say. Like the statement in itself is an insult. OP, I don't mean you personally I'm just speaking generally. I don't see it that way. I mean it is what it is. There are certain characteristics that go with certain hair types. It may not even be about the numbers but more the presence of kinks and curls. Obviously it's going to take me longer to detangle a head full of kinks than some looser curls or waves. Would that not be characterized as more difficult and time consuming? Would that not make the hair harder to deal with as opposed to gliding a comb through with ease? Doesn't mean the hair is worse or less than. Just more difficult and time consuming to deal with. But that could also be said for longer hair. Nobody takes offense to the statement that longer hair is harder to deal with. Why take issue with comments about texture and only really when it's type 4? Is that because it's the "nappy" texture in some peoples eyes?

girl I posted the video but i don't know this chic.... i just go around posting random shyyyyyte tis all
it's what i do

 

[beana]

But ya'll are taking offense at "being the hardest to deal with" like it's personal or it's something completely horrible to say. Like the statement in itself is an insult.

THANK YOU!!!!

I really wish people would stop acting like they don't know what's up. just because you're a type 3 doesn't mean it's a walk in the park, but i have the serious face when people get upset when a type 4 is heavily applauded for growing their hair BSL/MBL and beyond.. The bottom line is us type 4's have characteristics that require the ultimate in care for us to retain our length.

Denying that annoys me on a much deeper level than I feel comfortable sharing with this board.

 

[EllePixie]

THANK YOU!!!!

I really wish people would stop acting like they don't know what's up. just because you're a type 3 doesn't mean it's a walk in the park, but i have the serious face when people get upset when a type 4 is heavily applauded for growing their hair BSL/MBL and beyond.. The bottom line is us type 4's have characteristics that require the ultimate in care for us to retain our length.

Denying that annoys me on a much deeper level than I feel comfortable sharing with this board.

Well...I agree with you, but this isn't just because someone has type 4 hair. The thing is that type 4s often also have FINE hair, which makes it harder to retain length because the hair is more fragile. However, not all 4s have fine hair, so it may be easier for them to retain length. That's why I continuously note that people should consider other hair factors, not just hair type.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

I really wish people would stop acting like they don't know what's up . just because you're a type 3 doesn't mean it's a walk in the park, but i have the serious face when people get upset when a type 4 is heavily applauded for growing their hair BSL/MBL and beyond.. The bottom line is us type 4's have characteristics that require the ultimate in care for us to retain our length.

Denying that annoys me on a much deeper level than I feel comfortable sharing with this board.

ya'll muf-uuu know what's up!

 

[kittikat24]

My problem w/ hair typing is two words: heat damage.
I always question whether some of my looser curls are genuine mix of various textures or just because of getting to happy w/ the flat iron @ update time

 

[Irresistible]

Well I said MOST. Not ALL. And just because Type 4 is typically characterized as being drier than types 1 to 3 does not mean that type 3 can't be dry. I never said that. I never said Type 4 was the be all and end all. I just merely stated the facts and there are always exceptions.

Your hair could be a coarse type 3, hence the shrinkage and tangling. You have kinks and curls as a 3 so I would expect shrinkage, tangling, etc. But not to the same degree as a 4. I mean is type 3 not defined as a looser curl pattern than 3? Irresitable, I'm not trying to downplay your hair characteristics, just saying that many type 4's experience those things and are more likely to experience those things compared to looser textures. Just because something is characteristic of type 4 doesn't mean it can't happen to a type 3. It's not mutually exclusive. You're a 3c right? I also think there is a lot of overlap with 3c and 4a partly because 3c wasn't originally in the typing system. It was added after the fact by the people at NC.com.

Ironically, my hair is a Type 4 however I do not have issues with tangling or dryness. I do have massive shrinkage but again there are exceptions to every rule. That may change when my hair gets longer though.

We are mostly saying the same things then from what I can see after this post. Yes I am the coarser 3c , I've seen more big defined curls on the supposed 'silky' 4a's that it does not make sense to me whatsoever, but you know I don't wanna dumb up

But just because that works for your hair, doesn't mean it will work for everybody else's either. I've seen plenty of people post saying no matter what they try their hair still feels dry or looks dry. I can think of quite a few posters off hand natural and relaxed. Some of which have been on the board for years and are still in the same boat.

But ya'll are taking offense at "being the hardest to deal with" like it's personal or it's something completely horrible to say. Like the statement in itself is an insult. OP, I don't mean you personally I'm just speaking generally. I don't see it that way. I mean it is what it is. There are certain characteristics that go with certain hair types. It may not even be about the numbers but more the presence of kinks and curls. Obviously it's going to take me longer to detangle a head full of kinks than some looser curls or waves. Would that not be characterized as more difficult and time consuming? Would that not make the hair harder to deal with as opposed to gliding a comb through with ease? Doesn't mean the hair is worse or less than. Just more difficult and time consuming to deal with. But that could also be said for longer hair. Nobody takes offense to the statement that longer hair is harder to deal with. Why take issue with comments about texture and only really when it's type 4? Is that because it's the "nappy" texture in some peoples eyes?

The offense is taken in the total dismissing of other hair types , that it's any work whatsoever-and that does happen

It's because type 4 is also being glorified as the only truly natural and 'coveted' hair type at the same time in all this glorifying the 'difficulty' with the texture .

I didn't say I believed it tho, I said it's all underhanded and slight jedi mind tricks

This isn't paranoia over 'nappy' hair. Nappy is a relative term-that can apply to anyone-depending on who's view it is at the time

This is how things go so wrong , everyone gets paranoid over anyone saying anything about type 4 , that it must be someone is saying it's a negative to be the type 4. Really I don't know how it all gets so twisted like this. But I know no one is saying anything about taking offense cause 'it's the nappy texture' that was never ever said not even implied


I wish a comb would glide through this ish*points to my head* , I wish someone who says it's easier would come and comb my hair for me

I think type 4's need to realize that just because their hair is the supposed 'difficult' texture they don't need to dumb down on the 3c's , hey I'm only holding a torch for the 3c's or better yet my head of hair, cause I know dang well all the work it takes -and it aint just cause of length either

I generally am not disagreeing because I too figure that the lower types must have it easier than me. I just can't compute that a 4a has it that much harder than me tho . I'm starting to think 4b's don't go through this 'clumping' and retangling of hair from reading posts from them myself. If ya'll can detangle one time and it's finished no clumping , hair wrapping around itself again and again re-tangling and re tangling again. Then it can't be that much more difficult

juss saying

 

[Irresistible]

THANK YOU!!!!

I really wish people would stop acting like they don't know what's up. just because you're a type 3 doesn't mean it's a walk in the park, but i have the serious face when people get upset when a type 4 is heavily applauded for growing their hair BSL/MBL and beyond.. The bottom line is us type 4's have characteristics that require the ultimate in care for us to retain our length.

Denying that annoys me on a much deeper level than I feel comfortable sharing with this board.

Bottom line is what is required for type 4 is probably in many instances the same exact requirements for a 3c to retain length

Denying that annoys those that are dealing with almost the same ish on a daily to the same degree , you have the same feelings on the other side of the coin, so you should easily understand

btw I also truly heavily applaud all type 4's progress and beauty. Always have, always will. I don't care that they get heavily applauded. The gradual cease in applauding/accepting all natural hair types is even more disturbing. In fact the division over hair types period is even more disturbing. The fact that most of us are more than one type and much of our hair blurs these lines and are very similar in more ways than we have forgotten how to realize is deeply disturbing IMO

But for the sake of peace, everyone should go on only glorifying type 4 for their accomplishments/growth and beauty, and fawn over it as the coveted hair type and the 3c's just need to take a back seat and shut up, say our hair is easier and dare not complain.

yeah that's how it goes

I'm a 4a anyway

 

[MizzBrown]

THANK YOU!!!!

I really wish people would stop acting like they don't know what's up. just because you're a type 3 doesn't mean it's a walk in the park, but i have the serious face when people get upset when a type 4 is heavily applauded for growing their hair BSL/MBL and beyond.. The bottom line is us type 4's have characteristics that require the ultimate in care for us to retain our length.

Denying that annoys me on a much deeper level than I feel comfortable sharing with this board.

Givin' props to Type 4's! I agree!!!

Will applaud them ALL DAY, EVERYDAY!

 

[Irresistible]

Well...I agree with you, but this isn't just because someone has type 4 hair. The thing is that type 4s often also have FINE hair, which makes it harder to retain length because the hair is more fragile. However, not all 4s have fine hair, so it may be easier for them to retain length. That's why I continuously note that people should consider other hair factors, not just hair type.

Exactly

 

[beana]

Bottom line is what is required for type 4 is probably in many instances the same exact requirements for a 3c to retain length

Denying that annoys those that are dealing with almost the same ish on a daily to the same degree , you have the same feelings on the other side of the coin, so you should easily understand

btw I also truly heavily applaud all type 4's progress and beauty. Always have, always will. I don't care that they get heavily applauded. The gradual cease in applauding/accepting all natural hair types is even more disturbing. In fact the division over hair types period is even more disturbing. The fact that most of us are more than one type and much of our hair blurs these lines and are very similar in more ways than we have forgotten how to realize is deeply disturbing IMO

But for the sake of peace, everyone should go on only glorifying type 4 for their accomplishments/growth and beauty, and fawn over it as the coveted hair type and the 3c's just need to take a back seat and shut up, say our hair is easier and dare not complain.

yeah that's how it goes

I'm a 4a anyway

I Compliment EVERY type of hair, but I take specific advice from people with similar hair types and textures.... I dont see whats wrong with that.

I never suggested that other hair types don't have their issues, but to suggest that every type of hair has the same characteristics/issues/challenges is a lil to me. All types of hair take patience and care to grow and retain, but to ignore that some types may experience more challenges than others is dismissing reality.

As a 3c would you agree that you have to care for your hair a bit differently than someone who is a 3a???? Because if you are willing to admit that, its the same as what some type 4's are saying.

 

[glamazon386]

Well...I agree with you, but this isn't just because someone has type 4 hair. The thing is that type 4s often also have FINE hair, which makes it harder to retain length because the hair is more fragile. However, not all 4s have fine hair, so it may be easier for them to retain length. That's why I continuously note that people should consider other hair factors, not just hair type.

You're right. Fine hair is more prone to breakage. My fine hair has caused me a plenty of setback. Yet my mom who has a tighter, coarser, thicker hair texture can do anything to her hair and it grows perfectly fine. She has triple prcessed hair right now relaxed with dye and bleach and doesn't have any problems. Her hair is hard to color so they to take some extra steps to get her hair to lift. She doesn't even take care of her hair. She uses grease and direct heat all the time on the highest temperature. I would be bald if I did the things she does. I put highlights on my natural hair once which was a single process and it broke off all over the place. And I increased my DCs, protein, didn't use direct heat, etc. I went to a professional salon that specialized in hair color and had a consultation prior to letting them touch my head.

 

[glamazon386]

@Irresistable - I think we are saying the same thing. But my point was, just because I'm saying Type 4 does blah blah blah doesn't mean Type 3 can't do it either. I wasn't trying to dismiss other types with my statement just saying what was more likely to happen. But again I think a lot of this only has to do with 3c and 4a. Not 3b on down. I'll be honest though, I know some 3cs have the same issues 4s do but I don't think it's as many people. I don't see broken off 3cs as often as I do 4s. Even on this board I see the 4s participating in more of the Hide Your Hair and Protective Styling Challenges, wearing wigs, weaves, braids, twists, using growth aides, etc. Most of the 3s seem to bun and wash and go. Just the choice of hairstyles speaks to the differences. I also think longer hair is more prone to tangle and wrap around itself (regardless of whether they are a 3c or 4) so that may make a difference too.

 

[Irresistible]

I Compliment EVERY type of hair, but I take specific advice from people with similar hair types and textures.... I dont see whats wrong with that.

I never suggested that other hair types don't have their issues, but to suggest that every type of hair has the same characteristics/issues/challenges is a lil to me. All types of hair take patience and care to grow and retain, but to ignore that some types may experience more challenges than others is dismissing reality.

As a 3c would you agree that you have to care for your hair a bit differently than someone who is a 3a???? Because if you are willing to admit that, its the same as what some type 4's are saying.

girl you can take advice from wherever and whomever you choose, I never said you shouldnt or there is something wrong with it.
I don't know if a 3a has to 'care' for their hair differently but yes I do assume that a 3a must be deal with 'less' challenges in detangling from what I deal with as a 3c. But am I dismissing reality when I know my hair takes as much work at a 4a and possibly a 4b as well. Am I dismissing reality when I got this made up hair type, cause it aint got no big bouncy curls and is as tightly coiled as a lot of 4a's I see. Hey bottom line - my hair is only different with product and how it behaves with product according to how it was broken down to me, in other words my texture is no different from a 4 but with product is a 3c, and not only that I just don't see these fine lines of great difference between a course 3c and a silky 4a. I'm trying to figure out the 'reality' in that.....well not really but you know........

And of course ALL hair types don't have the same issues. I didn't say that they did.

all of our hair in reality is totally different. Ive seen hair that was kinda like mine but then it was 'heavier' or something else was different about it, like it could be worn loose and behave different than mine while loose or thicker strands etc etc. I think grouping our hair into types without taking into account the gazzilions of other variables that co-exist was the complete dismissal of reality in the first place

but it's all too far gone to do anything about it on a large scale now

majority of us are not even one hair type in the first place-that is reality

I by no means downplay the care it takes for 4a 4b hair , I also by no means downplay the work it takes for me for others to feel comfortable about it-nor appreciate the downplay from others. tis all