Your Friendship With Your Husband

The only issue with the best friend label is the lack of intimacy that can come with it if you're not careful. Meaning that you might be friends and compatible in every way but not romantically. It's different for everyone but some best friendships I have witnessed can erode the mystery in a marriage which in turn erodes how the man views you sexually/emotionally/romantically.

However, you cant have everything you want in a partner 100% so... what holds the most value? Yes some people get that 100% but for most that's not true and that's when maturity sets in.


I agree with this 1000%.
I've felt like this with my ex although he was still able to view me romantically.

When I think of the best friend / lover dynamic --- Tia and Tamera come to mind. Tia and Corey are definitely good friends, but I don't see the romance between them at all. Could be that they've been together a while, but I don't think that's entirely it. They have a different dynamic. Tamera and Adam have more of a husband/lover dynamic imo... one in which I'd think would still be the same even years from now. Damnit, if I had to choose lol... I'd probably take the dynamic Tamera and Adam have over Tia and Corey. Both situations have their plus and negatives but I know that in a Tamera/Adam situation, my emotional/sexual intimacy would be there more than in a Tia/Corey situation. I may have more 'fun' in the Tia/Corey situation though.... but ultimately, I think I'd prefer the dynamic between her sis and hubby. Neither situation is necessarily better than the other. Guess it's just a preference.
 
you hit the nail on the head with this..this is the pov i align with moreso

this resonates with me...when i was dating i didn't do the friends first...the minute i see you as a friend i have compartmentalized who you are are and put you in a box, how i respond to you, how attracted i am to you and etc
the friends first thing is not my lane...i always want my man to view me as his wife or etc i like a very specific role


dh and i are friends...but i have a bff..i dont actually want my dh to be my bff....i don't ever want him to comfortable lol..always want that mystery present, that chase or etc...im funny like that like I remember one time early in our courtship i set him straight and said I'm not one of your friends or ya homie--im your lady and thats my lane so please act accordingly to that..he understood what i meant without taking it personal....and treats me as such

we have a great marriage..he is truly my partner in crime and we are great friends but the way i treat my friends and the way i treat my dh are two very diff lanes and vice versa..i dont ever wanna get to comfortable feeling like dh is my bff and i dont ever want him that comfortable as well...till this day we semi operate like we're dating...and i like it..it keeps things very interesting for us...dh is a man that kinda likes to hunt..very alpha so it works for us lol.;)

I can totally dig this. This entire thread is giving me reflective food for thought for sure today.
 
you hit the nail on the head with this..this is the pov i align with moreso

this resonates with me...when i was dating i didn't do the friends first...the minute i see you as a friend i have compartmentalized who you are are and put you in a box, how i respond to you, how attracted i am to you and etc
the friends first thing is not my lane...i always want my man to view me as his wife or etc i like a very specific role

dh and i are friends...but i have a bff..i dont actually want my dh to be my bff....i don't ever want him to comfortable lol..always want that mystery present, that chase or etc...im funny like that like I remember one time early in our courtship i set him straight and said I'm not one of your friends or ya homie--im your lady and thats my lane so please act accordingly to that..he understood what i meant without taking it personal....and treats me as such

we have a great marriage..he is truly my partner in crime and we are great friends but the way i treat my friends and the way i treat my dh are two very diff lanes and vice versa..i dont ever wanna get to comfortable feeling like dh is my bff and i dont ever want him that comfortable as well...till this day we semi operate like we're dating...and i like it..it keeps things very interesting for us...dh is a man that kinda likes to hunt..very alpha so it works for us lol.;)

Thank you for this post. You've summed up for me what I was struggling to put into words. I notice that my attraction can wane when I get too familiar with people. Men that I was attracted to, then became friends with and it desexualized them to me.

But I want a friendship with my spouse. I want us to be cool and comfortable and be able to chill around each other and be ourselves, but I'm fine with having actual best friends outside the relationship.


DH is my best male friend, hands down, period. And I am his best and closest female friend.

So do have other women you consider your best friend? B/c I would see us being each other's opposite sex best friend. Honestly, I wouldn't be keen on my spouse having a female best friend that isn't me
 
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So do have other women you consider your best friend? B/c I would see us being each other's opposite sex best friend. Honestly, I wouldn't be keen on my spouse having a female best friend that isn't me

Yes, that is what I'm saying. We are each other's opposite sex best friend :yep:. I am not built for having a dh with a best female friend. I also do not think he is built for a wife with a best male friend. We are on the same page with regard to that thank goodness.
 
I know someone miserable who has said this about their partner. I guess it can mean different things? Like desperation?

Idk to be honest.The people I know who say this are in happy relationships/marriages.

I have heard some women say " but we've been together so long...I can't be with someone else" in a ride or die chick type way. Their relationships don't give me a best friend vibe at all though and they don't typically say that. Although I have seen sexual attraction fade sometimes in very friendy relationships.
 
I'm single so I really have no experience to add to this matter. It just makes me nervous to hear people try to box in their partners. I don't need it to be in the front of my mind when I date that "this guy needs to be my bestie or we are doomed to fail". What impresses me with couples is hearing a person speak highly about their partner character-wise. The labels do nothing for me.
 
Its not really an either, or.

Character in a husband/father is always going to be paramount.

Whether there is a strong friendship going on in within a marriage is a separate thing. I've seen decent people in relationships where they don't talk and connect in that way. Depends whether it's important to people, or not to have that dynamic.

I'm not entirely sure about best friends personally. However, I've been cultivating a deeper friendship with FH recently and it seems to bring another element to emotional intimacy. In discovery mode atm. Just read some stuff in KTTK that talked about how to be a friend in a relationship. Quite interesting.
 
I've read a lot of Alison Armstrong who wrote the queen's code and a few other books (see the other threads in this forum) anyway she has this theory on relationship models that speaks to this topic. See below, but bottom line not everyone is looking for the same thing in marriage, and marriages that are based on different theories can be equally successful.

This is the first in a series of Celebrating Men Morsels about Relationship Models.

Each of us has a clear idea of what the main purpose of a long-term relationship should be. In other words, what the priority of the relationship should be, which becomes the organizing principle. Usually this core purpose, which is clear to us, is unexamined and unarticulated. This is why it can cause a lot of misunderstandings, hurt feelings and persistent, unresolved conflicts.

We call these core purposes “Relationship Models.” The mischief they cause stems from how invisible they are – they just seem like the “right way” to be related. Our model seems so correct to us that we, even, don’t understand how or why a couple stays together when they don’t conform to our model. The most conflict will occur when our chosen partner has a different model.

Here are examples of Relationship Models:

  • The Legacy Model. This is the one we inherited from our ancestors. The focus is usually on the children; making sure they succeed even more than their parents. In the absence of children, there may be another type of legacy that becomes the priority, such as wealth, power, contribution, etc.
  • The Companionship Model. For this model, being together and “doing life together,” is the main priority. In selecting a mate, getting along easily and many common interests are firsts on the list. Variations on the Companionship Model would include “Share Adventure” and “Share Hobbies.”
  • The Support Model. This type of relationship is organized around providing what each other needs to accomplish personal goals or dreams. They don’t expect to “work on” the relationship much; they expect the relationship to support them in what they are working on in life outside the relationship.
  • The Karma Model. The purpose of this relationship is to cause maximum personal growth. Partners will be chosen by how much they challenge each other to expand their physical, emotional, conceptual or spiritual worlds.
Since our Relationship Model just seems like the correct way to be related, we are often baffled by couples that don’t conform to our model. For example:
  • Companionship Model folks can’t understand why a Legacy couple stays together when they don’t seem to share a lot of common interests or spend much time together. They also wonder why Support Model couples, who clearly like each other, keep choosing to be apart. To them, no goal is worth being apart for long.
  • Legacy Model folks can’t understand why other people bother to get married if they aren’t going to have children.
  • Support Model folks wonder why Karma Model couples would choose such difficult people to partner with. To them, the relationship requiring minimal attention is a priority to have it support them individually.
  • To Karma Model folks, other easy-going relationships seem unbearably boring.
In each case, our model seems so right, that we can’t really relate to or understand men and women with different priorities. And when asked for advice, we can only provide it from the priorities which seem obvious to us. This is another good reason to only ask for advice from people who actually have what you want!
“Easy” relationships occur when both partners have the same model and are working toward the same kind of relationship. This is usually accidental, since most people aren’t aware they have a model and often don’t articulate their relationship priorities well.

When our partner does not have the same relationship model, we are often frustrated because our choices will be made according to our core value – and their choices will be made according to theirs. For example:

  • If a Legacy Model (LM) or a Support Model (SM) marries a Companionship Model (CM), the CM will feel hurt every time the LM or SM chooses to work on what they are building or pursuing, rather than spend time with the CM. And the LM or SM won’t understand why they are hurt, since to them, the Legacy or dream is clearly the priority and why can’t the CM see that?
  • Even when two people share the Support Model, conflict can happen because both expect to be the one supported by the other. So they agree in principle – partners should empower their mates in fulfilling their dreams – but they didn’t state which end they intended to be on. Support models work best when one person’s desire is to provide the support the other needs and fully appreciates.
  • If a Karma Model (KM) gets together with a Companion Model (CM), let’s say of the Share Adventure variety, then here is a predictable argument...KM: “We have an issue here. We need to talk about it.” CM/SA: “Why do we have to talk about everything? Why can’t we just enjoy each other’s company and have fun?”
As you can see, the problem is the unarticulated expectations. Because our models seem correct and are obvious truths to us, we don’t take the time to really spell out what we need and desire in our relationship. By understanding what your Relationship Model is, you can avoid heartache and frustration in choosing a mate. If you’re already committed, use the Models to understand each other, and realize the choices you’ve each made were not meant to thwart or hurt the other. Search for middle ground and ways to give you both more of what you need.
Since publishing this series on Relationship Models, we have received a few frantic inquiries: “We don’t have the same model. Are we doomed?” Not necessarily! The key is understanding that a person’s Relationship Model is a reflection of their core values, an expression of what is most important to them in life. It could be what they leave behind (Legacy Model), “doing life” with someone (Companion Model), fulfilling a dream or a mission (Support Model), or being challenged to grow and expand (Karma Model).

Unfortunately, our core values are the only ones that immediately appear completely valid. When others’ differ, they seem everything from interesting to annoying. The real challenge is to grant as much weight to what is important to others, even when we don’t agree. This is a skill that improves all relationships!

If you’re attacking the validity of what is important to another, they have no choice but to defend themselves. Not a good environment for creative compromise. But if you’re not attacking, if instead, you’re protecting their interests too, then miracles can happen. This kind of conversation between a Support Model and a Companion Model might look like, “I see that what’s most important to you is us being together. I like that. What’s most important to me is having the support I need to fulfill my dream. Even though I love being with you, that sacrifice for my goal is one I have to make. Maybe we could meet in the middle – there might be an amount of time together that would be enough for you; not ideal, but enough. And an amount of freedom to pursue my goals that would be enough for me too. Wanna try?”

The key word here is “enough.” If you pay attention to “enough” instead of the “ideal amount,” it’s possible to meet in the middle. Of course, “enough” may be unreachable for you or your partner, in which case the loving thing to do might be to release yourselves to find what you really need and cannot provide each other

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@Kimbosheart your post has had a profound effect on me. I didnt even know that relationship models like this existed. I can honestly say dh and I are operating from two different models. That and dealing with his narc ways have been quite challenging.

@barbiesocialite that epiphany is so disturbing I am afraid to make sense of it and let it leave my lips or fingertips because it will change every single thing about what I thought I wanted in my life.
 
It is cool seeing other perspectives. I really don't look at calling your spouse your best friend a label. I find that when I am thinking lovely romantic thoughts of him I think, he is my love, my best friend. One thing I have learned with living with DH and being around him a lot is that everyday is not romantic and mushy but overall I feel loved and adored. If I did not have that friendship element I know my expectations would be ridiculous and my focus would be on him a lot. The intimacy level is really what each couple make of it. Sometimes what may not appear as imitate on the surface may be more deep than you could even imagine.
 
Some people dont really have strong friendships to begin with and have always lacked in that area so what drove them to get married in the first place was the fact theyd finally found a best friend. First person they ever really got close to and first person who totally "gets" them. So once they get married they literally begin to share ethe exact same life. Either they dont really have outside friends or share the same couples as mutual friends, mutually share a lot of the same hobbies and over time happily become less like individuals and more like the same person. They do any and everything together. Without each other, they pretty much cease to exist. For these folks it works. One hand washes the other.

At the same time I can think of a few couples where being BFF eventually became a problem. There is such a thing as being too comfortable.. Despite being married some couples really live and act like homies instead of husband and wife. There are no boundaries. No boudnaries eventually created unnecessary drama and loss of respect. Everything isnt for everyone. Some stuff is reserved for your marriage, other things reserved for friends. The perfect example: Russell Simmons and Kimora. They were straight up best friends from the beginning. After a while I guess it got old and stopped being fun when Kimora starting wanted to be treated more like his wife instead of his homie. But that's not the relatinoship they had. You can fix things that are broken or lost. Cant fix something that was never there to begin. Kimora was married but wanted to be a wife to a husband. Russell was her best friend. Theyre still best friends, theyre just no longer married. Fran Dresscher and her ex husband of 3 decades are another example. Being best friends became troublesome during and after their marriage. Again, still BFFs just no longer married.

Those aren't the only two options though. DH and I both have lives outside of each other (careers, friends, etc.). We have separate hobbies, we hang out alone with our friends, we takes guys/girls trips.

We also aren't on the other end of the spectrum where he sees me as one of the guys and crosses the line with his joking, or has a hard time being sensitive/thoughtful/romantic.

We maintain our own identity, but we spend more time with each other than we do with anyone else, and we enjoy each others company. We have great romantic/physical chemistry (which is why we would never work as platonic friends), but we also have great friend chemistry. Sometimes I have more fun with him than I do with my girlfriends.

It's a good balance.

ETA: I agree with what a previous poster said about mystery and boundaries. For some people "best friends" means using the bathroom with the door open or walking around the house looking a mess. I don't have that level of comfort with anyone and don't want to.
 
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I think you make a good point. Have we defined best friend? Apologies if we have I've been reading this between classes.
 
Those aren't the only two options though. DH and I both have lives outside of each other (careers, friends, etc.). We have separate hobbies, we hang out alone with our friends, we takes guys/girls trips.

We also aren't on the other end of the spectrum where he sees me as one of the guys and crosses the line with his joking, or has a hard time being sensitive/thoughtful/romantic.

We maintain our own identity, but we spend more time with each other than we do with anyone else, and we enjoy each others company. We have great romantic/physical chemistry (which is why we would never work as platonic friends), but we also have great friend chemistry. Sometimes I have more fun with him than I do with my girlfriends.

It's a good balance.

ETA: I agree with what a previous poster said about mystery and boundaries. For some people "best friends" means using the bathroom with the door open or walking around the house looking a mess. I don't have that level of comfort with anyone and don't want to.


I get what you're saying there are diffrent definitions of what equates a best friend. What works for some doesnt work for all. Different strokes for different folks. To each her own. There is no right or wrong definition or choice, it's simply a matter of preference. Nonetheless, fact remains that even thought there are different definitions of friendship there really are only two answers/options available for the question at hand.

Is your husband your best friend?

1.YES.
2.NO.

That being said, you still didnt answer the question. lol. is your husband your best friend by your definition or is he not?
 
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Do you feel you have a genuine close friendship with your husband or is he just ....well....your husband? Are we supposed to have this bond or can one live without it in a marriage?


I feel another epiphany coming and it may do some damage.

Yes we have that true, genuine friendship. We can sit in the same room without having to speak to each other... content with silence. Or he can sit and listen to me talk or i listen to him talk. Like truly listen. He KNOWS and understands me and vice versa. Yet, i don't consider him my best friend. I would never consider a spouse/lover/partner a best friend. 2 different things and i'd rather not muddy that line.
 
I get what you're saying there are diffrent definitions of what equates a best friend. What works for some doesnt work for all. Different strokes for different folks. To each her own. There is no right or wrong definition or choice, it's simply a matter of preference. Nonetheless, fact remains that there is no really are only two answers/options available for the question at hand.

Is your husband your best friend?

1.YES.
2.NO.

lol

That being said, is your husband your best friend by your defintion or is he not?

The two options I was referring to were the points you made in your post.

a) You are best friends and you do everything together and morph into one person
b) You are best friends and act more like brother/sister or two homeboys than husband and wife

The point I was making is that your husband can be your best friend without sacrificing your identity or the romance in your relationship.
 
The two options I was referring to were the points you made in your post.

a) You are best friends and you do everything together and morph into one person
b) You are best friends and act more like brother/sister or two homeboys than husband and wife

The point I was making is that your husband can be your best friend without sacrificing your identity or the romance in your relationship.


IDK. To me this sounds like when people make things more complicated than they really are so they skirt around facts to avoid the task of having to choose a definitive answer that makes them uncomfortable.

It's really not all that complicated.lol. There can be gray area but call a spade a spade. The question isnt about friendship. None of my post really apply to some of what youre saying because my posts were in direct answer to the OP. I know folks define friendship differently. Even still within people's own individual definitions and by their own personal standards they either choose to consider SO their best friend or they dont.

So while I appreicate and agree with some of what your are saying, My posts were not about categorizing or qualifying friendship definitions so you're making my posts about something theyre not and totally irrelevant to the QUESTION at hand .

My post simply said:

Yes, some people consider their spouse their best friend. It worked for some, doesnt work for all.

No, some people do not consider their spouse their best friend. some prefer it, others dont like it .


let's try this again....

I answered the OP.

What I gather from your posts is that yes you consider your spouse to be your best friend. awesome. If it works, it works. If you like it I love it.

As for me, I value friendship in my relationship so I value being good friends with SO but 'NO' SO is not my best friend. Never been. Never will be. SO as BFF doesnt work for me. My best friend is my best friend. SO is SO. That's a fact. simple.
 
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I gave a definitive answer in my first post, so not sure what you're referring to here. My husband is definitely my best friend. Subsequent posts were just expounding on what that looks like for us.

Your post made generalizations about what it looks like when couples are also best friends. I was simply stating that it's not like that for everybody.
 
Not married yet, but deep down I know that when I get married, I want it to be with a guy who I feel is a close friend. Someone who I can depend on, we get along well, we have things in common, we can laugh, chat, and talk for hours. I feel 100% comfortable w/him and vice versa... That sort of thing. I don't think I can settle for less or feel like my spouse and I are just "strangers" or "roomies". :nono:

I kind of think it's almost impossible NOT to become close/best friends with your spouse..... I mean, you see this person everyday, you sleep together, you know everything about them, etc... I mean, how can you NOT be close "friends" with your husband? Doesn't it eventually develop naturally even if you two didn't start off being "Best buds"??? Or, am I not understanding the question properly?? :look:
 
The point I was making is that your husband can be your best friend without sacrificing your identity or the romance in your relationship.

That's what I'm thinking as well... or, at least that's what I HOPE. :look:

Btw, I'm wondering why women feel that men can't be friends AND sexually attracted to a woman as well?? I thought men didn't have a "Friendzone"? :look:

I think sometimes women feel a certain way, and automatically assume that men feel the same way, when that's not always the case. I don't think men think like women. So while it may turn us off being a close friend w/a guy, I think that bottom line if a man is attracted to you it doesn't matter if he met you 2 seconds ago on the street, or if you've been his long-lost childhood buddy for 10+ years. At least, that's my guess....based on what I've been learning in Alison's book. I keep having to remind myself that men don't think like women.
 
  • The Legacy Model. This is the one we inherited from our ancestors. The focus is usually on the children; making sure they succeed even more than their parents. In the absence of children, there may be another type of legacy that becomes the priority, such as wealth, power, contribution, etc.
  • The Companionship Model. For this model, being together and “doing life together,” is the main priority. In selecting a mate, getting along easily and many common interests are firsts on the list. Variations on the Companionship Model would include “Share Adventure” and “Share Hobbies.”
  • The Support Model. This type of relationship is organized around providing what each other needs to accomplish personal goals or dreams. They don’t expect to “work on” the relationship much; they expect the relationship to support them in what they are working on in life outside the relationship.
  • The Karma Model. The purpose of this relationship is to cause maximum personal growth. Partners will be chosen by how much they challenge each other to expand their physical, emotional, conceptual or spiritual worlds.

Ok I've been thinking. I realize that I am more or less in the catagory of the Companionship Model. I think dh is more of the Support Model but we wound up smacked into the Karma Model. Is this even possible or am I reading too much into things?
 
We definitely have a friendship that stays regardless of any other issues in our relationships - it goes up and down and we have good seasons and bad seasons, but we're always friends and treat eachother with respect.

I don't think a man can be your everything, we need more than one person in our life.
 
... I am trying to now wrap my head around another type of relationship. There is no emotional fulfillment whatsoever, but the priorities for taking care of business and having a future where there is no lack, is strong. Good on paper, but feels like crap. ....sadly.
I'm sorry to hear about that, @ChasingBliss. :( To answer your question, DH and I do have a friendship. Even though we each have hobbies/interests that the other doesn't share, there is a common ground and we enjoy spending time together.
 
Having my mate as a close friend (not necessarily best) is comforting to me and creates that deep closeness that I seek.
I couldn't understand how my ex said I was and still am his best friend but yet we weren't together.
His past relationships were more romantic and less friendship. For us, the friendship blurred the romantic/relationship lines. He forgot I had a vagina. From that experience, I assumed that while one should develop a deep friendship, they ought to also remember & nurture the romantic connection. The feminine belle thread comes to mind.
With all that's going on in my life, I'm trying to get back to that interesting and attractive person he met.
My hair is a mess, nails not done, sex drive on pause and just laying around in bed all day acting depressed.
Acceptable in a friendship (maybe) but possible relationship killer.
 
Having my mate as a close friend (not necessarily best) is comforting to me and creates that deep closeness that I seek.
I couldn't understand how my ex said I was and still am his best friend but yet we weren't together.
His past relationships were more romantic and less friendship. For us, the friendship blurred the romantic/relationship lines. He forgot I had a vagina. From that experience, I assumed that while one should develop a deep friendship, they ought to also remember & nurture the romantic connection. The feminine belle thread comes to mind.
With all that's going on in my life, I'm trying to get back to that interesting and attractive person he met.
My hair is a mess, nails not done, sex drive on pause and just laying around in bed all day acting depressed.
Acceptable in a friendship (maybe) but possible relationship killer.


Good point !
 
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