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Women who alter their texture but still say they're natural.....

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Windsy said:
@Whimsy

can you post an example of this ("People call themselves natural when in pics we can clearly see a line of demarcation") if you can find one or go into more details.
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Don't feel like hunting for a pic.
What details would you like? line of demarcation is the spot where chemically altered hair and new growth/natural hair meet.
Hope I'm being clear.
 
I don't care and I don't offer my opinion unless I'm asked. And still then, I don't care. If her hair looks good, I'm likely to compliment her.
 
Whimsy said:
Don't feel like hunting for a pic.
What details would you like? line of demarcation is the spot where chemically altered hair and new growth/natural hair meet.
Hope I'm being clear.
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Good example. Lots of people consider themselves natural when they have a significant amount of new growth although they still have relaxed ends.

I just say, Ok Girl, that outfit it ca-yute! :look:
 
I think it's a combination of stupidity and the colorism that runs rampant in the AA community but moreso the latter.
 
nappystorm said:
I think I what OP means. Example:
NS and Random Chick talking about hair.
RC: Yeah, I'm natural too.
NS: Oh yeah? :blush: How do you get/keep your hair so straight? *Get ready to take notes*
RC: Well...um...I have a perm but I only let it stay on 5 minutes or so...
or
RC: Well I only perm once a year
NS::ohwell: Oh okay.

Doesn't happen much on hair boards (although I remember a poster saying she doesn't considers herself relaxed because she don't wear her hair straighten :rolleyes:) but it's happened to me a few times IRL.
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Yeah...I don't want to be getting product recs from someone who's saying "this really works on natural hair" only to find that those results are on relaxed hair...Miss Jessie's...
 
Your Cheeziness said:
Good example. Lots of people consider themselves natural when they have a significant amount of new growth although they still have relaxed ends.

I just say, Ok Girl, that outfit it ca-yute! :look:
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Or they texlax/texturize and are in need of a "touch up" :spinning:
 
I don't think I've ever run across that in real life. But then again, I don't ask much how people achieve certain styles or looks. If I like I say so and keep it moving.

I imagine if I did run across that converation with someone where they first stated they were natural, but then said they were put a relaxer on for like 5 minutes, or what have you, I'd probably be like "oh, so your texturized" "so, you are texlaxed, that's cool". Well it looks good on you". Chuck (or chunk :look:) up the deuces and be on my way.
 
It doesn't bother me. Everyone has there own definition of "natural". I consider anyone who's not relaxed/texlaxed/BKT'd natural. To me a heat-trained natural is still natural as is someone who dyes their hair.

Either way, I don't care what other people do with their hair, or what they call it. I've never understood why naturals get so up in arms about relaxing and heat training. Not everyone wants to embrace their natural hair texture, and some people don't mind the strong chemicals. Just because I don't do it doesn't mean nobody should do it.
 
You sure are observant and analytical OP. Im not understanding this. I barely want to do my hair so I darn sure dont pay that much attention to others. Or is this just me? It cant just be me. Is looking closely at others hair a habit that others have picked up as well since joining here?
 
SuchaLady said:
You sure are observant and analytical OP. Im not understanding this. I barely want to do my hair so I darn sure dont pay that much attention to others. Or is this just me? It cant just be me. Is looking closely at others hair a habit that others have picked up as well since joining here?
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I notice hair. a lot.
 
FoxxyLocs said:
It doesn't bother me. Everyone has there own definition of "natural". I consider anyone who's not relaxed/texlaxed/BKT'd natural. To me a heat-trained natural is still natural as is someone who dyes their hair.

Either way, I don't care what other people do with their hair, or what they call it. I've never understood why naturals get so up in arms about relaxing and heat training. Not everyone wants to embrace their natural hair texture, and some people don't mind the strong chemicals. Just because I don't do it doesn't mean nobody should do it.
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I don't really get it either. I mean I don't agree with blatantly lying about using chemicals and calling it natural, but I don't get why being natural is so much of an issue or seen as superior to anything else. Like you've failed as a AA woman if you touch a relaxer or a BKT, heat or whatever to alter your texture. So how dare you claim to be as superior as I (natural) when your not ( texture altered somehow)*sighs
 
SuchaLady said:
You sure are observant and analytical OP. Im not understanding this. I barely want to do my hair so I darn sure dont pay that much attention to others. Or is this just me? It cant just be me. Is looking closely at others hair a habit that others have picked up as well since joining here?
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I am observant and analytical by nature. I consider it a blessing from God because I am not easily fooled.
 
idk...there might be some people with texlaxed/texturized hair who say they are natural and deny getting any chemical process with the intent of putting on a facade of naturally having a looser texture, but i think they're in the minority...and also need help...but i have noticed some texlaxed people who say they're natural because they're hair looks natural and still has a curl pattern, and people think they're natural...even though they're not. :look:

to me if you don't have a chemical process thats intended to loosen curl pattern (aka relaxer/texturizer/BKT/curly perm etc.), then you're natural. even the pressed/heat trained/heat damaged ones.
 
FoxxyLocs said:
It doesn't bother me. Everyone has there own definition of "natural". I consider anyone who's not relaxed/texlaxed/BKT'd natural. To me a heat-trained natural is still natural as is someone who dyes their hair.

Either way, I don't care what other people do with their hair, or what they call it. I've never understood why naturals get so up in arms about relaxing and heat training. Not everyone wants to embrace their natural hair texture, and some people don't mind the strong chemicals. Just because I don't do it doesn't mean nobody should do it.
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I think your definition is probably the most correct. I don't consider heat training to be anything more than damaged natural hair, so I'd say they still qualify. As for the bolded, this thread seems to be about the opposite--people who want to pretend to embrace their natural texture, while still not doing it. I have always maintained that for many, relaxing is a style and lifestyle choice more than anything else, but the fronting is what I can't get past. If you want to relax, relax, and say it with gusto. If you want to be texlaxed, that's ok too. Just don't act like it's one thing when it's really another. That's all.
 
Rei said:
personally I don't care what other women decide to call their own heads.
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LOL!!! My gf consider her relaxed hair....natural. Mind you she relaxes her hair straight every 5 to 6 weeks.

I just look at her and shrug my shoulders. :lachen:

I really don't care. You can consider yourself bald and have shoulder length hair. Whatever floats your boat!
 
Well I know I have heard women say "my natural hair" when referring to their REAL hair not wigs, weaves, etc even though they are relaxed. I think this was a commonly used term before the big natural hair movement...and I completely understand when people say "my natural hair" meaning free of any additions. People get really aggravated about this and I don't understand why. Its just like when a word has several definitions in a dictionary....they aren't saying they are NATURAL. Just that they are wearing their REAL hair.
 
MarriageMaterial said:
LOL!!! My gf consider her relaxed hair....natural. Mind you she relaxes her hair straight every 5 to 6 weeks.

I just look at her and shrug my shoulders. :lachen:

I really don't care. You can consider yourself bald and have shoulder length hair. Whatever floats your boat!
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I wasn't going to comment in this thread but.....how could i not after reading this???
How does she consider herself natural??? :lachen::lachen::lachen:
 
I just hate when people act like they don't put anything in their hair to get defined curls. Like "girl I just washed it and came to work". Side eye. U know u put something in there. Especially when I can see that it's stiff from product.
 
Cherokee-n-Black said:
I think your definition is probably the most correct. I don't consider heat training to be anything more than damaged natural hair, so I'd say they still qualify. As for the bolded, this thread seems to be about the opposite--people who want to pretend to embrace their natural texture, while still not doing it. I have always maintained that for many, relaxing is a style and lifestyle choice more than anything else, but the fronting is what I can't get past. If you want to relax, relax, and say it with gusto. If you want to be texlaxed, that's ok too. Just don't act like it's one thing when it's really another. That's all.
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Yeah I definitely think it's weird to lie about your hair texture, or whether or not you use chemicals. I mean what's the point? I haven't had that happen in real life, at least not since middle school.
 
lesedi said:
I wasn't going to comment in this thread but.....how could i not after reading this???
How does she consider herself natural??? :lachen::lachen::lachen:
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lesedi I HAVE NO IDEA!!!

At first I thought she was joking, but she's very serious.

She made a recent comment to me; after she had touched up her new growth; that her hair still has it natural wavy texture.

I looked at her roots and it still looked SUPER STRAIGHT to me!!
:spinning:

But I remembered reading a thread similar to this on BHM that one girl considered herself natural, even though she relaxes her hair. So I guess some people do think relax hair is their hair in it's (un)natural form.
 
^^^^
So if i have a lace front on, it's still my natural hair because it happens to be sitting on my head???:lachen::lachen:
What kills me is the 'everyone has a different theorem' BS! There is no 'agree to disagree'!......Erm, you either chemically alter your hair texture or you don't!!!???? And if you do, that's cool too boo-boo!:yep:
 
IMO it DOES matter if someone on a hair forum lies about whether or not they are natural (i think the common consensus on LHCF is no relaxer/texturiser). The product or regimen that they are raving about may not be of much use to a natural.

IRL it is much easier to tell if someone is telling porky pies but all we have here are our word and photos.
Besides with all the product junkies amoungst us, that could be very damaging to our pockets!!!
 
This can happen all the time. If you alter your texture with heat, salt, weave, baking soda,BKT... whatever.:rolleyes: Honestly, there are too many restrictions on what some consider natural.:giveup: OK, time for me to exit this thread.:nono:
 
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I think hair that is texlaxed/relaxed/texturized is not natural. I'm not a natural nazi though- I'm not going to consider someone chemically altered because they threw a little salt in their conditioner.
 
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