Being "tit for tat" in the "see, they messed up too" game ain't doing NOTHING to fix what's wrong in OUR communities.
Well, I don't necessarily consider it negative, but apparently some people did, which is why they had to come in and say, "but we're worse!"
All I did was present information for discussion. I wish I would have posted that white women smell like lemon juice and Pledge. I'm sure nobody would have questoned it.
I totally and completely agree.erplexed Will we ever be pleased? You can definitely manipulate statistics to say what you want it to say, but at the end of the day numbers don't lie. Contrary to what we have been led to believe marriages between Black people are not doomed to failure. Contrary to what we have been led to believe (no, to what we have allowed ourselves to believe!), Black people do marry each other.
The one interesting statistic that I'm kind of surprised wasn't addressed was marriages where the wife is Black having lower rates of divorce. Those results weren't too surprising, either, for two reasons:
- You have to overcome a lot to marry someone outside of your race and I suspect that if you can't make it past introducing homegirl to your parents, you shouldn't be together in the first place.
- Black women are the bomb. Who wouldn't want to marry - and stay married - to us?
. They never look at statistics objectively when it comes to people of color. Negative stats about people of color get put into the "its a proven fact that negros suck" file and passed from one white person to another. I never understood why we would feel the need to look at this objectively. Half the times we're arguing that black women are getting married by contributing our own anecdotes of intact families. Now, we want to negate them. Very telling...
I don't think that's true about Black folks knowing the "truth" about themselves. Maybe among the "educated" set this *may* be true. How do you explain the fact that Black folks continue in this dysfunction? Knowing the truth and not caring or what? Serious question here... If the stats go away, if the media disappears, will the trends cease to exist? Will we be better off as a community?
Also.... the "truth" about Black teenagers less likely to engage in risky behavior than any other race comes from ONE STUDY that you happened to come across. I could argue up and down with you that that's not true - and depends on how you define "risky" behavior. Having a broad exposure to the literature, I'm actually inclined to believe that's not true, but if it floats your boat, whatever believe it...
LOL. My friend is a criminology major. She always says that crime is where you look for it. The matter of fact is that the police STAY posted up in our communities in the first place, so guess what the majority of criminals look like. If the target other, more affluent communities, guess what the criminals will then look like. LOL.
Media and research can be bedfellows, but not always the case. I think the "media" don't know how to interpret the stats either, but that's beside the point. Sometimes the media reports stuff that the research didn't even say, but that's another story.
I can't wait for your book to come out.
I am all for accepting the truth, but again, whose truth? Whose spin? I've never seen an unbiased study when it comes to what is said about black folks. When I posted "What's good for the goose is good for the gander", I meant that if we accept the studies about us as truth, why do we then turn around and holler "Bias!" when it comes to other races?
There is NO SUCH THING as a study without bias. Any researcher worth his or her salt will tell you that - and if you read the actual articles it points out all kinds of limitations and biases. Most people don't read that far or don't know how to interpret what is read.
But I don't remember framing the information with "See, other people suck too!". If some people took it that way, that's on them.
I feel like this...the majority of the threads on this board are about how much black people suck. The one or two times a year someone posts something positive about black people (the teen thread I posted awhile back) or something negative about white people (this thread), THAT'S when panties get bunched?
We all have different experiences. I only personally know 3 single mothers, and the vast majority of my friends and my dh's friends are married. I've also known plenty of shrewish, harpy ww who did nothing but complain about and trash their husbands, so I'm not a bit surprised at their likelihood to divorce. I also know that the world is bigger than MY world, so I don't deny that it's bad out there for black folks. I get it. But if we're being real, this is a message board where people come to discuss issues. It's not a town hall meeting or a non-profit organization. We're just talking, knowing that most of these conversations are superficial and aren't going to translate to change IRL.
All I want is for the same standards to be applied to EVERY study. AIDS stats, OOW stats, crime stats, etc. need to be examined with a microscope just like people have done to the stats in this thread. There's no prize for proving black people suck at life, just like there's no great joy to be had when it's pointed out that white and other folks aren't perfect.
I really appreciate the work you're doing, but I think we need to keep these threads in perspective.
I just had to quote this because thanks really was not enough. I'm so sick of hearing people sit and complain about things, and they're not doing anything to change the situation!!! Shoot, at least someone is studying us because clearly we're not up to the task.
I don't keep a tally or anything, but over the past couple of years that I've been here, I've noticed a trend that caused me to come off with the particular opinion that I did. That is all.
I agree, except in reverse.
So that was it, then? Since you made that assertion, it would be nice if you backed it up.
Well, lets trying to stop pinpoint how many do and figure out the reasons why. Whats really going on here that Americans cannot savor love? Does it really leave a bitter taste in our mouths?
