with her already in his heart. THe words of Christ. If he could would he? You should follow your pastor as he follows Christ.
I have to say that even I have looked at some women's chest before that I thought were "blessed" or big/huge. I'm not a lesbian nor was I lusting. Some things just catch your attention, visually. It's human and natural to me to notice things or see things with your eyes. For me, this is just the truth. Of course you ought not stare or lust over it. Even when you are walking out in public, you can look at someone in the face and see that they are pretty/beautiful or handsome. If i was in walmart shopping and a handsome person or good-looking man walked by me, I may notice but at the same time I will not turn to my hubby standing right next to me and say, "He was so handsome, wasn't he" 
Of course I'm going to continue shopping and looking at products. And if you look at a male or female, you can see that she has a nice figure or that he is muscular. [ I remember one day i saw this girl and she looked slim or thick but her behind stuck out so far, real far. It looked out of proportion to me and I wondered to myself how did she get that like that, just genetics i guess. i mentioned this episode just to say that even I noticed her "asset" I guess] If a whole bunch of ladies walked by wearing mini skirts, I'm sure a man or woman would notice just like I'd notice if a whole bunch of men walked by with muscle shirts and jeans on. Would I keep looking straight? yes, i hope so. Would I turn my head to check them out some more? no...I hope not. 
. i guess he felt I needed to be able to watch my back and perhaps to identify anybody if I had to.
StrawberryQueen said:I agree you 100%. Christian women do need to dress modestly. But, I can see why some churches relax their dress codes, in order to make folsk feel comfortable. A lot of people who come to church are sitting up inthere for the 1st time ever, and sometimes don't know or have the good sense to "dress accordingly." Should they be turned out-no.
But I think once folks become stronger in their Christian walk, they become more aware of what is and what is not appropriate. I think people need to be patient with them and not judge them, because honestly, all it's going to do is drive them away and give them a negative impression of what the Church and a "Christian" is supposed to be. We are not all imbued with the same knowledge, be it worldly or Biblically. I'm not disagreeing with you here BTW!
And this whole this "men are visual," stuff is crap. It may be true to a degree but folks like to use it as an excuse for inappropriate behavior and lack of self control. Just like "boys will be boys."Men need to be just as sexually responsible and "pure" as the women do.
erplexed God knows and see it all.
), I would wear short flowing skirts... Sometimes long tight skirts... and sometimes both. I thought I was dressing fine (or fione as some may say)... 
That's a wonderful way they "helped" you and continue to accept you. I wish more people could be so open and accepting of others.kelouis75 said:Yes, I agree with you. (Pretty much the whole post).
1) Both men and women need to be aware of their appearance.
2) We each will be accountable for the sins we commit. No trying to find a scape goat then.
3) If people aren't dressed "appropriately"-- and they are known to be visitors. Of course--by all means-- they should be welcomed into the congregation with open arms.
4) If a person is a regular attendant dressing a little out there, they should still be welcomed. But in this situation prayer and a gentle suggestion probably is needed.
I will share a story: when I was a babe in Christ (literally and figuratively
One time I visited a church, and this lady put a long robe over me. I was freaked out-- and I did not come back.
But the church that accepted me where I was (for who I was)-- well-- that's where I grew. They kept preaching and I kept coming... No one ever told me (point blank) that I was dressing immodestly...
But as I began to mature in the word, I started to see how dressing modestly was a wise choice, both for my spiritual health and for the spiritual health of the people around me.
I think that when people go to church, they should have as few "distractions" as possible so they can get closer to God. I just wanted to be one less distraction.
That's where I was coming from when I shared my first post on "Christian women helping their brothers out".
kbragg said:
Why you tryna make us all sick!?!?!
I don't think women are equally as visual as men. I mean, what would turn a woman on more? Seeing a man topless mowing a lawn, or that same man with his shirt on singing her a LOVE song, or telling her she's beautiful!?!?! Hello!
Seriously, that's how the playas get the women. By telling her she's beautiful, sexy, the only woman he has eyes for (liar
(My man! ) And he has a beautiful frame, especially his long legs. But when he talks.... I listen. I am a captive audience of Mr. Sidney. This man takes refinement, distinction; and sheer handsome to the Heavens. 
he acting like he still want things of the worldmeek&quietspirit said:Yesterday, our Pastor was preaching an excellent sermon.
But, sure enough, he starts talking bout how he and his wife were out this past weekend and saw some lady with a very tight teeshirt on. The shirt said too blessed to be stressed. He said he did what any "normal, herteosexual, man would do, he stared at her chest."
Then he goes on to say that while walking with the college president, he didn't want him to notice him checking out the young, pretty ladies with the mini-skirts on, so he just keeps looking straight ahead and talking with the president. (He won't scope other women with the president, but he will with his wife)?
I know that we all have issues and deal with secret sins, but, should a pastor who has preached for 40 years and been married for 36 years still react in this manner?
I can't talk to anyone at the church about this cause most of them laugh when he says such things, including his wife!
I've written about this before.
Am I being too touchy???
he sould be praying on that not telling everybody that ant cute
Shimmie said:Exactly. We all know full well and see it everyday, the way women 'use' what they have to get attention; especially when there is a 'spirit' in the Church seeking which man can be tempted and fallen. Please, this spirit of seduction is 'fixed' in the Church...front row center. Waiting for the 'cue' to do what it does...seduce and conquer.
Ever notice how the word of God forewarns the MEN to be aware of the temptress....the woman, Proverbs 5 warns of 'the woman'.
Even the Song of Solomon speaks solely of how it's the woman's attractiveness that has this man captured. It was Deliah's beauty that entrapped Samson (the man was wrong and full of his flesh and his parents spoiled him rotten....Samson was a show-off) but he got trapped by Deliah...a woman using her beauty and form as her weapon.
Bathsheba...her beauty bathing that caught King David's full eyes and attention and held him captive to the point of murder to cover his sin.
Granted, God does not take it lightly about a man's behavior; over and over he is warned. And the Pastor mentioned in this post is totally without excuse. Totally!!
However, let's face it..... as women we hold the key to a man's captivity. Take a look at yourself in the mirror and figure it out. We use it all the time; especially when we 'want' something (both in and out of Christ Jesus).
For the Godly women, I uphold with love and warmth. But I see too much showing through the clothing of too many women in church and it just ain't right to do this. Men do look.
). You also brought up another good point:meek&quietspirit said:Yesterday, our Pastor was preaching an excellent sermon.
But, sure enough, he starts talking bout how he and his wife were out this past weekend and saw some lady with a very tight teeshirt on. The shirt said too blessed to be stressed. He said he did what any "normal, herteosexual, man would do, he stared at her chest."
Then he goes on to say that while walking with the college president, he didn't want him to notice him checking out the young, pretty ladies with the mini-skirts on, so he just keeps looking straight ahead and talking with the president. (He won't scope other women with the president, but he will with his wife)?
I know that we all have issues and deal with secret sins, but, should a pastor who has preached for 40 years and been married for 36 years still react in this manner?
I can't talk to anyone at the church about this cause most of them laugh when he says such things, including his wife!
I've written about this before.
Am I being too touchy???
She also refers to an incident with a single woman which I guess was sexual in nature. schipperchow1 said:I am disturbed by the fact that the OP indicates that he talks about this every week & at Bible study, too
When I was 13, I was completely turned off to christianity & anything associated with it due to a pastor like this. Also, "elders& deacons" tried to pick me up also. BTW: this was not a small church. Ultimately the church split due to the pastor's infidelities & other sexual scandals. I was lost spiritually many years due to the examples that these "men of god" portrayed to me as a young teen.
This happened to my sister and to this day she don't trust no pastor.
I understand how you and the OP feels because I've seen a lot in ministry but that's why I'm so glad for the spirit of discernment.
I guess I just wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but if he's constantly doing this then he is getting it comfortable coming out of his mouth and then it will be comfortable doing it.
Seems like his wife would put a stop to this also.
NATHAN WHERE ARE YOU!!!!! Lord send him someone to speak to him in love about this, so that he want be another one of your servants fallen in this trap. In Jesus name AMEN.
