There are Two Stories that Have Me Wondering....

[LucieLoo12]

I am all for a preacher of the Gospel reaping natural benefits for his labor in the Lord..but sometimes, they can take it out of hand sometimes.

 

[Shimmie]

If it's one thing the story of David and Saul teaches me is that what David did not say to or about Saul pleased God. I know that's all we want to do here, is to please our Father. At least, that's my intent and I know it's yours too. I love you ladies!!

David was given the perfect opportunity to 'kill' Saul, but he chose not to. Even after Saul had pursued David to take his life due to his jealousy over David, David could not do the same to him.

Saul and his camp were 'fast' asleep. (That's my Bible story language -- "fast asleep" -- )

David pullled out his sword and instead of 'slaying' King Saul, he cut a swatch of Saul's garment and left Saul alive. The next morning David stood upon a 'hill' across from where King Saul was camped. David yelled out, 'King Saul, King Saul, and he waved the cutting of Saul's garment, in the air, showing his alligence to him as King. "Yo' ... I was this close to you and instead of killing you, I let you live."

Laela, I hear what you are saying. Although amidst the 'discomfort' in my spirit that I've shared, I take heed for what you've shared bares far more glory to God.

 

[Shimmie]

Oh, ya'll hurting me with this... Lord have mercy....


Creflo is clearly making a distinction between living under the law of sin and death, and living under the New Covenant in this clip. And how ironic... Shimmie just answered that question in the Trivia thread! I did say some folks can't deal with his antics and sarcasm.. Exhibit A.

But Laela.... dat' was Paul I quoted in the Trivia thread, not Crefflo...

:blowkiss:

You know I'm messin' with you... It's FRIDAY! I get to go home and do .

 

[Shimmie]

This is my gif for ^^.

And I 'm still rockin' faux fur...

 

[Shimmie]

Awww, leave the jet alone Shimmie!!

I just wanna take around the block for a spin.... Geepers... I'll bring it back.



Wanna ride? This thing has mink carpet...

Laela 's gonna get me. I betta fly this jet with a quickness

 

[Laela]

C'mon, let's go... next stop.. South Africa....

I just wanna take around the block for a spin.... Geepers... I'll bring it back.



Wanna ride? This thing has mink carpet...

Laela 's gonna get me. I betta fly this jet with a quickness

 

[LucieLoo12]

Lets leave Creflo Dollar alone


But honestly...is that his real name? Im serious

I just wanna take around the block for a spin.... Geepers... I'll bring it back.



Wanna ride? This thing has mink carpet...

@Laela 's gonna get me. I betta fly this jet with a quickness

 

[Laela]

Yes, Alicia...that's his real name. No moniker, no name change. He was born with that name.

 

[Shimmie]

C'mon, let's go... next stop.. South Africa....

Whoaaaa, that picture is like 'Virtual' ...

After Africa, England, France, then Hawaii. I'm out of fresh pineapples.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Lets leave Creflo Dollar alone


But honestly...is that his real name? Im serious

I don't know.

 

[LucieLoo12]

Wait, I just read something that said he was born Michael Smith...let me dig deeper into this

Yes, Alicia...that's his real name. No moniker, no name change. He was born with that name.

 

[Shimmie]

Lets leave Creflo Dollar alone


But honestly...is that his real name? Im serious

Shimmie hangs head in shame (she's really trying hard not to laugh);

Okay, I'll leave him alone. He's a nice person, this I truly believe.

I'm just *sigh* I'm just tired of the waves and tides rocking the Church, that's all.

I love you Ladies, all of you. Laela, Alicialynn86, Health&hair28, nathansgirl1908, Iwanthealthyhair67, lilanie, TraciChanel, Nice&Wavy (sorry for messing up the thread :blush3, Everyone

Headed for the train... then getting it out of the way, the rest of the weekend is free for company. Some of my girls are coming over for tea and shortbread cookies and chocolate cake ...

 

[Shimmie]

Wait, I just read something that said he was born Michael Smith...let me dig deeper into this

Girl, you are too much.

For real though? Michael Smith is a Christian singer, the only I know of.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Wait, I just read something that said he was born Michael Smith...let me dig deeper into this

 

[LucieLoo12]

Im serious! I googled "Creflo dollar real name" and quite a few articles pulled up...Michael Smith...I could be wrong though..Im just saying

I was just saying earlier in this thread how you cant trust all Internet articles

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

interesting I remember if saying something that he wouldn't have chosen the name Dollar so, I'll take that to mean that Dollar is his real name....

 

[lilanie]

This is my gif for ^^.

THAT FACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...

 

[lilanie]

I know we've taken off the gloves with Creflo...

I just see him as my verbal Kirk Franklin ~ who I've heard him testify that he struggles with porn...

Songs like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8SPwT3nQZ8 and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lQZ6j6UGrM make me cry and THANK GOD FOR HIS MERCY AND GRACE (yes, I'm shouting and crying).

 

[Laela]

That's false information...

Wait, I just read something that said he was born Michael Smith...let me dig deeper into this

That face....! oh no... Bless his heart...

 

[Laela]

Yeah that's the singer... Michael W Smith.. don't forget the "W"... LOL

I guess Creflo could change his name to Will Witness.

Girl, you are too much.

For real though? Michael Smith is a Christian singer, the only I know of.

 

[Shimmie]

I know we've taken off the gloves with Creflo...

I just see him as my verbal Kirk Franklin ~ who I've heard him testify that he struggles with porn...

Songs like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8SPwT3nQZ8 and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lQZ6j6UGrM make me cry and THANK GOD FOR HIS MERCY AND GRACE (yes, I'm shouting and crying).

He's okay... "Maurice White" of Earth, Wind and Fire".... He's okay. I have been praying for this man's health for a long time. The last time I saw him was in a concert on a video that my son recorded. I remember seeing the 'struggle' that Maurice had moving on stage. It was that a friend shared with me that he had some type of illness that affected his nervous system.

lilanie, I kid you not, just earlier this week, I was thinking about the man, wondering how he was and if he was still living. Seeing him on this vid with Kirk, was the answer. I have no idea how old this YouTube is, yet just seeing Maurice White was a blessing as he was not struggling to move as he was when I saw this man performing with the rest of the EWF group in that concert..

Why Maurice White? Why do I care so much about him? Because of a song that he sang years ago that never left me called "Open Our Eyes". I wasn't saved at the time, yet this song stuck with me and his voice.

I pray that this group is saved 'now'. Phillip Bailey, Maurice White, the entire group. I got away from their music when I got saved, yet seeing this YouTube blessed me. "September" was a family favorite.

Thanks lilanie

 

[Shimmie]

Yeah that's the singer... Michael W Smith.. don't forget the "W"... LOL

I guess Creflo could change his name to Will Witness.

Good one.. "Will Witness"

 

[Sharpened]

I do not pray for prosperity, career advancement, or anything the world deems as important. Jesus said our basic needs would be met while “planting His seeds” and I believe that. The surplus we receive is for advancing His Kingdom and family fun. I wish I would have known this years ago and avoided a lot of frustration.

My sister and I, back when she was 12 and I, 14, watched Dollar's full sermons at least twice. We both came to the same conclusion: people would spiritually starve to death listening to him on the regular. What neither of us realized due to our limited biblical knowledge was that the situation was far worse than we could have imagined: a powerless church due to keeping people fixated on improving flesh, soul and experiences of the world. What about growing our connection to Him, to hear from Him directly? What about His Kingdom? What about the Evangel? What about maturity, perfection, in Christ?

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

not many preachers will go there

I do not pray for prosperity, career advancement, or anything the world deems as important. Jesus said our basic needs would be met while “planting His seeds” and I believe that. The surplus we receive is for advancing His Kingdom and family fun. I wish I would have known this years ago and avoided a lot of frustration.

My sister and I, back when she was 12 and I, 14, watched Dollar's full sermons at least twice. We both came to the same conclusion: people would spiritually starve to death listening to him on the regular. What neither of us realized due to our limited biblical knowledge was that the situation was far worse than we could have imagined: a powerless church due to keeping people fixated on improving flesh, soul and experiences of the world. What about growing our connection to Him, to hear from Him directly? What about His Kingdom? What about the Evangel? What about maturity, perfection, in Christ?

 

[Laela]

What is this surplus??

I do not pray for prosperity, career advancement, or anything the world deems as important. Jesus said our basic needs would be met while “planting His seeds” and I believe that. The surplus we receive is for advancing His Kingdom and family fun. I wish I would have known this years ago and avoided a lot of frustration.

That is why knowing the Word of God for oneself and asking the Holy Spirit for guidance is critical when listening the ministry of others... the Holy Spirit is a sifter, allowing us to 'hear' and to refute. There are lots of sermons out there by different ministers/teachers on those very topics you mentioned.

My sister and I, back when she was 12 and I, 14, watched Dollar's full sermons at least twice. We both came to the same conclusion: people would spiritually starve to death listening to him on the regular. What neither of us realized due to our limited biblical knowledge was that the situation was far worse than we could have imagined: a powerless church due to keeping people fixated on improving flesh, soul and experiences of the world. What about growing our connection to Him, to hear from Him directly? What about His Kingdom? What about the Evangel? What about maturity, perfection, in Christ?

 

[lilanie]

He's okay... "Maurice White" of Earth, Wind and Fire".... He's okay. I have been praying for this man's health for a long time. The last time I saw him was in a concert on a video that my son recorded. I remember seeing the 'struggle' that Maurice had moving on stage. It was that a friend shared with me that he had some type of illness that affected his nervous system.

@lilanie, I kid you not, just earlier this week, I was thinking about the man, wondering how he was and if he was still living. Seeing him on this vid with Kirk, was the answer. I have no idea how old this YouTube is, yet just seeing Maurice White was a blessing as he was not struggling to move as he was when I saw this man performing with the rest of the EWF group in that concert..

See how the Holy Spirit moves???

Why Maurice White? Why do I care so much about him? Because of a song that he sang years ago that never left me called "Open Our Eyes". I wasn't saved at the time, yet this song stuck with me and his voice.

I pray that this group is saved 'now'. Phillip Bailey, Maurice White, the entire group. I got away from their music when I got saved, yet seeing this YouTube blessed me. "September" was a family favorite.

Thanks @lilanie

You are welcomeShimmie - EWF has been a family favorite of ours too... So seeing Kirk use September and then having Maurice come out... Chile please ~ another one of my "love taps" from God (crying, thanking God in prostrate position)... I like to see that there's a strong possibility that we're on the same team. Of course I am not purporting that I am an exemplary follower of Jesus Christ ~ i know I'm growing... But y'all get what I am saying.

I can testify to this... I have seen P.Bailey @ my church ( from time to time and it brings me joy (not for his celebrity presence) but to see him there when he doesnt have to be. You know?

 

[Shimmie]

You are welcomeShimmie - EWF has been a family favorite of ours too... So seeing Kirk use September and then having Maurice come out... Chile please ~ another one of my "love taps" from God (crying, thanking God in prostrate position)... I like to see that there's a strong possibility that we're on the same team. Of course I am not purporting that I am an exemplary follower of Jesus Christ ~ i know I'm growing... But y'all get what I am saying.

I can testify to this... I have seen P.Bailey @ my church ( from time to time and it brings me joy (not for his celebrity presence) but to see him there when he doesnt have to be. You know?

All of us are growing, it never stops, and thank God for this, as this means that He is alive within us.

I know what you mean about Phillip Bailey . We now 'love' them in Christ Jesus and want them to be 'saved' and to know the love and joys of Jesus as we do. So when we see them in Church or speak of God, we have a hope and a joy that they found Jesus and are growing in Him as well.

It is my hope and prayer that both Maurice and Philip and the 'gang' are indeed one with Christ Jesus and not 'staging' the pretense of it. I cannot judge them, and I don't want to judge them. My choice is to simply love them and pray for them ... for back in the day... Well, Lilani you know...

I'd love to hear Maurice's testimony.... I know God is in it.

Lilani, thanks so much again for sharing this. I've been praying for Maurice's healing for while and to 'see' him is just ... it's nothing short of a loving whisper from God's heart to me, saying, " See, my daughter, he's okay".

Thank you Jesus for hearing my prayer. In your loving and healing name, Amen and Amen...

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Good to see so many of you posting in this thread.....please, continue!

 

[LucieLoo12]

Nymphe


Good to hear you speak on perfection in Christ! Many people look at me like Im crazy when I speak on these things! But its what we have been called to! Amen sister!

I do not pray for prosperity, career advancement, or anything the world deems as important. Jesus said our basic needs would be met while “planting His seeds” and I believe that. The surplus we receive is for advancing His Kingdom and family fun. I wish I would have known this years ago and avoided a lot of frustration.

My sister and I, back when she was 12 and I, 14, watched Dollar's full sermons at least twice. We both came to the same conclusion: people would spiritually starve to death listening to him on the regular. What neither of us realized due to our limited biblical knowledge was that the situation was far worse than we could have imagined: a powerless church due to keeping people fixated on improving flesh, soul and experiences of the world. What about growing our connection to Him, to hear from Him directly? What about His Kingdom? What about the Evangel? What about maturity, perfection, in Christ?

 

[Sharpened]

What is this surplus??

Anything extra after the bills are paid.

That is why knowing the Word of God for oneself and asking the Holy Spirit for guidance is critical when listening the ministry of others... the Holy Spirit is a sifter, allowing us to 'hear' and to refute. There are lots of sermons out there by different ministers/teachers on those very topics you mentioned.

Unfortunately, the majority expect to be spoonfed and do not examine whether or not they are receiving the full Evangel. We have all the information we could ever want at our fingertips and yet, we have a powerless Body trying to shoehorn the Evangel into their lives. It disheartens me to talk to believers, in church for decades, who have no idea what I am talking about even when I point it out in scripture.