There are Two Stories that Have Me Wondering....

Thats why I stated that I dont agree with all he says..He preaches about prosperity alot..I once heard him say...we gotta check ourselves if we broke, or sick...something must be wrong...????? :sad:


I dont like when people try to make it seem like you not blessed if you having a illness or financial problems..We have to be proven and tried.Sometimes God just want some glory..Job went through and lost everything and the bible says he was a perfect man. He makes it seems like if you dont have money.....then you must not be connected to God enough.. These are the messages I've heard..but he does say some good stuff.


Not trying to defend the man, but it's 2011, Creflo Dollar STILL preaches against sin and on righteousness. I do know not everyone can listen to him preach, but he's gifted to minister to who will receive him. :yep:
 
Well I just hope and pray this is all first-hand knowledge to you...:yep:


I But despite the usefulness of his sermons and lectures, I don't like some of the issues that have been revealed concerning his finances. I especially was bothered by the fact that he helped Evander Holyfield hide substantial assets during his divorce.
 
Well I just hope and pray this is all first-hand knowledge to you...:yep:

I have no reason to lie and don't appreciate or accept any insinuations to that effect. Everyone here has the same opportunities to do their own research on things brought to light. If you choose not to educate yourself, that's on you. But please don't try to disparage others who do and who address it.
 
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I'm glad you asked this question because my earlier response about Creflo could use clarification. I think Creflo has a gift. I also think he skirts the line between that gift and falling into the traps of riches that many others have fallen into. I find many things that he says to be useful. I enjoy listning to him although I'm sometimes wary of how he approaches prosperity issues. But despite the usefulness of his sermons and lectures, I don't like some of the issues that have been revealed concerning his finances. I especially was bothered by the fact that he helped Evander Holyfield hide substantial assets during his divorce.

As I learn more about the definition of Prosperity Gospel ~ I start to tune him out, and the financials information disturbs me as well... I forgot the website, but there's one where they break down who does what with how much - an accountability website and I dont think he is on there (haven't looked in years):look:

But yeah, he had a sermon (paraphrasing) where he said "if your emotions make you walk out on a job when you have six kids and a mortgage, you need to fix yourself" - very humbling and put me back in check:up:
 
@nathansgirl1908


I dont think she was implying that you are lying. She is just implying to be sure that whatever source you got it from, make sure they was correct with their information. I know we read articles and such on the internet, but you never know whats true. it wasnt a insult, she was just admonishing you to be sure and careful..
 
if I'm always broke it could mean miss-managements of funds or I could be reaping some bad seeds I sowed before I got saved like running up a few credit card bills, sure the old things passed away and I was made new but my loan wasn't made new it's still old and needs to be repaid...

If I'm sick it could mean that I haven't been taking care of myself the way I should...

sometimes 'testings' come in the form of lack, to get me to be content in whatever state I'm in and to trust God...



Thats why I stated that I dont agree with all he says..He preaches about prosperity alot..I once heard him say...we gotta check ourselves if we broke, or sick...something must be wrong...????? :sad:


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True, but both sides needs to be brought out. Sometimes things just happen to righteous people, doesnt mean they are doing something wrong.

As a Pastor its his job to fully inform the sheep of God on all levels. Teach them not only about blessings and favor, but also afflictions and sufferings, so they may be full equipped for battle.....










if I'm always broke it could mean miss-managements of funds or I could be reaping some bad seeds I sowed before I got saved like running up a few credit card bills, sure the old things passed away and I was made new but my loan wasn't made new it's still old and needs to be repaid...

If I'm sick it could mean that I haven't been taking care of myself the way I should...

sometimes 'testings' come in the form of lack, to get me to be content in whatever state I'm in and to trust God...



Thats why I stated that I dont agree with all he says..He preaches about prosperity alot..I once heard him say...we gotta check ourselves if we broke, or sick...something must be wrong...????? :sad:


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@nathansgirl1908


I dont think she was implying that you are lying. She is just implying to be sure that whatever source you got it from, make sure they was correct with their information. I know we read articles and such on the internet, but you never know whats true. it wasnt a insult, she was just admonishing you to be sure and careful..

With all due respect, the implication of lying was there. I don't need admonitions about checking the veracity of sources. I deal with that kind of thing for a living. I wouldn't say it if there was no way to back it up with a legitimate source. Smh.
 
Naw.... was not implying that you're lying, nathansgirl; Forgive me if you if you think that was my intent, because it was not. Like I mentioned earlier, if these ministers are wrong, they have a higher authority to answer to. No repentance, no do-overs at the gates of hell. That applies to ALL of us, not just ministers who do wrong or are reportedly doing wrong. :yep:


With all due respect, the implication of lying was there. I don't need admonitions about checking the veracity of sources. I deal with that kind of thing for a living. I wouldn't say it if there was no way to back it up with a legitimate source. Smh.
 
I'm glad you asked this question because my earlier response about Creflo could use clarification. I think Creflo has a gift.

I also think he skirts the line between that gift and falling into the traps of riches that many others have fallen into.

I find many things that he says to be useful. I enjoy listning to him although I'm sometimes wary of how he approaches prosperity issues. But despite the usefulness of his sermons and lectures, I don't like some of the issues that have been revealed concerning his finances. I especially was bothered by the fact that he helped Evander Holyfield hide substantial assets during his divorce.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pho...NAYLw0gHezPXiBQ&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1152&bih=513
 
He doesn't live there anymore... that's his OLD house... ya'll need to quit :lol::lol:

Very well, then...why do we all pray for God to bless us with homes, to improve our finances, our health, help us get better jobs, careers, etc., yet scrutinize the preachers who are living with those same physical successes? I don't get it.... Shimmie, nathansgirl1908... explain... lol Shimmie, do you have a photo of the house where David Jeremiah lives? I'd like to see where he lives......

I'm not letting you guys off the hook on this one... :lachen:



 
You must have missed my previous posts about the issue. I stated clearly that I don't see an issue with wealthy preachers. It's when they are wealthy AND there is extreme controversy surrounding that wealth.
 
He doesn't live there anymore... that's his OLD house... ya'll need to quit :lol::lol:

Very well, then...why do we all pray for God to bless us with homes, to improve our finances, our health, help us get better jobs, careers, etc., yet scrutinize the preachers who are living with those same physical successes? I don't get it.... Shimmie, nathansgirl1908... explain... lol Shimmie, do you have a photo of the house where David Jeremiah lives? I'd like to see where he lives......

I'm not letting you guys off the hook on this one... :lachen:

:giggle: :duck: :giggle:

Is the house in Fayetteville larger than Scarlett O'hara's Atlanta Plantation... "Tara" that he moved from?

How much house does a person need? :lol:

Okay, seriously, I have a 'concern' only because the Word of God says to 'shun' even the very 'appearance' of evil.

I stand before the 'court' with these points of concern:

Knowing that the world looks down upon Ministries as dealers and stealers:

* Why live in a home with so many 'extras' knowing it will bring a reproach upon the body of Christ?

* Is he willing to serve God without this?

* Who is he pleasing, his flesh or God with this lifestyle?

* How many cars does one truly need to own to get to point A from point B?

* With all of this, isn't there some element of 'entitlement' that Creflo feels he deserves to live in the manner?

I totally agree, that each of us pray for and receive God's blessings. It's scriptural (The Prayer of Jabaz) is an excellent example of this.

Whenever I see this much extravagance with a popular worldwide known Minister, any Minister, I cringe, I feel 'unsettled' in my spirit. How big does big have to be, materially? When / Where does it set a bound?

Sweet Laela, it's still coming from the hearts of people giving into this and have yet to receive in return and it's not always the fault of the one trusting when he/she gives.

I know that Creflo no longer takes a salary from his Church, yet he still receives money from 'speaker' engagements which are mostly in other Churches. His book sales didn't buy that much house, cars, land, planes, it also came from 'bleeding hearts'. It's a reality. Anyone can preach a good message, there are thousands of Elmer Gantry's.

This is just me speaking, I simply do not have a 'settled' spirit with Dollar, White, Jakes, Noel Jones, Long, Bynum, Hinn, and em'.

Earlier, in past times, I did. Many of them I've been around one/one in person. They were guest speakers at my former Church, back in the 90's and the early years of 2000 ... Laela, I've seen them come and go. Laela, there's a spirit and a trend,

Hmmmmmmmmm, they 'all' have this similar trend and it's right there, and it's not all holy.

I'm not disparaging any of them, they indeed have great gifts. But they're all caught up in 'having' materialism. You see, they've gotten a 'taste' of something more than what they've had before in life, and they don't want to give it up. I can't say that I blame them, for who wants to be poor and broke? No one does.

But Laela, there's something amiss. And it's right there before us each time they take the stand to preach. They refuse to give up the riches no matter how badly it makes the Church or other Ministers look as a whole.

They have been given the name 'televangelists' as an insult, not as an honour. They're not living what they are preaching to others, they are taking and heaping up to themselves... not all of them. No, not all of them, however, it's more than enough.

I rest my case... before the court. My sisterhood of Believers. :love3:

(((( Hugs )))) You are still "Laela Rose" and always will be. :love2:

Seriously
 
I think I did..my bad.. :yep: I'm pretty sure you know even the truth is controversy....


You must have missed my previous posts about the issue. I stated clearly that I don't see an issue with wealthy preachers. It's when they are wealthy AND there is extreme controversy surrounding that wealth.
 
Lol thanks for posting this Shimmie. :yep: I've seen his house before too and even though it's beautiful, the fact that his financials are surrounded by controversy just makes it seem suspect.

And that's what bothers me, a lot. In no way am I out to disparage any Minister, but it's just as you have stated, it seems suspect and to the extreme of it. We all know that this man was not born rich.

*sigh* I just can't pretend that I'm comfortable in my spirit about these high society lifestyles.
 
Shimmie how many people live in that mansion...it's just too excessive in my opinion


I pray that all his members have all that they need

:lol: :lol: :lol: The whole town.

I'm sorry if the post I made is causing controversy. It's not my intent. :nono: My spirit just feels unsettled when I see things like this.
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: The whole town.

I'm sorry if the post I made is causing controversy. It's not my intent. :nono: My spirit just feels unsettled when I see things like this.


Could some of these questionable prosperity people/teachings be fulfilling the scriptures?....


Perverse wranglings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw yourself.
1 Timothy 6:15

They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain. Titus 1:11

In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 2 Peter 2:3


Did you guys see this video? Shoot them up for not paying tithes.:blush:
http://blip.tv/your-black-world-tv/creflo-dollar-says-not-tithing-should-get-you-shot-4838048
 
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This is my GIF for Creflo House:

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Shimmie, hold on... lemme get Creflo on the phone...












NOT!! :lol:

Can we at least agree to pray for the innocents and for leaders who are deliberately fleecing God's sheep, whoever they may be? I'm in no position to say whether Creflo is one of them and have just as many questions as you, but I'm understanding more and more why he and some other ministers don't find it necessary to answer to the world on their financials. He's not even that wealthy, compared to others..... What we don't know, we'll speculate, no?

I believe the book of Micah is addressing what's going on today... a reproach of injustice. There are other spirits trying so hard to blemish the Bride's gown; If it's one thing the story of David and Saul teaches me is that what David did not say to or about Saul pleased God. I know that's all we want to do here, is to please our Father. At least, that's my intent and I know it's yours too. I love you ladies!!

 
Could some of these questionable prosperity people/teachings be fulfilling the scriptures?....


Perverse wranglings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw yourself.
1 Timothy 6:15

They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain. Titus 1:11

In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 2 Peter 2:3


Did you guys see this video? Shoot them up for not paying tithes.:blush:

http://blip.tv/your-black-world-tv/creflo-dollar-says-not-tithing-should-get-you-shot-4838048

I have no words.... :nono:
 
Shimmie, hold on... lemme get Creflo on the phone...












NOT!! :lol:

Can we at least agree to pray for the innocents and for leaders who are deliberately fleecing God's sheep, whoever they may be? I'm in no position to say whether Creflo is one of them and have just as many questions as you, but I'm understanding more and more why he and some other ministers don't find it necessary to answer to the world on their financials. He's not even that wealthy, compared to others..... What we don't know, we'll speculate, no?

I believe the book of Micah is addressing what's going on today... a reproach of injustice. There are other spirits trying so hard to blemish the Bride's gown; If it's one thing the story of David and Saul teaches me is that what David did not say to or about Saul pleased God. I know that's all we want to do here, is to please our Father. At least, that's my intent and I know it's yours too. I love you ladies!!


I got him on the phone, crying :cry:

"Shimmie, gimme back my keys to the Jet... "

I said, No, no, no... :nono:

Yall wanna ride? I can fly you anywhere for free. :yep:



Yes, Laela, I agree to pray. We must. Otherwise it won't get any better.
 
Awww, leave the jet alone Shimmie!! :look:


I got him on the phone, crying :cry:

"Shimmie, gimme back my keys to the Jet... "

I said, No, no, no... :nono:

Yall wanna ride? I can fly you anywhere for free. :yep:



Yes, Laela, I agree to pray. We must. Otherwise it won't get any better.
 
Oh, ya'll hurting me with this... Lord have mercy....
:lol:

Creflo is clearly making a distinction between living under the law of sin and death, and living under the New Covenant in this clip. And how ironic... Shimmie just answered that question in the Trivia thread! :lol: I did say some folks can't deal with his antics and sarcasm.. Exhibit A.


For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death Romans 8:2



Could some of these questionable prosperity people/teachings be fulfilling the scriptures?....


Perverse wranglings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw yourself.
1 Timothy 6:15

They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain. Titus 1:11

In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 2 Peter 2:3


Did you guys see this video? Shoot them up for not paying tithes.:blush:
http://blip.tv/your-black-world-tv/creflo-dollar-says-not-tithing-should-get-you-shot-4838048

I have no words.... :nono:
 
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