The orginal Fine hair thread 2013

ok so I did a nettle rinse with a dc of wen 613, honey and oil mix on top after a nice shampoo with shea moisture. My goals were to add some protein and stop the recent shedding and breakage I am seeing.

well it didnt stop the breakage or the shedding.

anybody use a product with carrot oil? A long time ago I did a permanent red color that gave me the longest and worst shedding I have ever seen. It was really scarry!

I remember using some sort of carrot grease that stopped the shedding right away. any recommendations??
 
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mshoneyfly said:
ok so I did a nettle rinse with a dc of wen 613, honey and oil mix on top after a nice shampoo with shea moisture. My goals were to add some protein and stop the recent shedding and breakage I am seeing.

well it didnt stop the breakage or the shedding.

anybody use a product with carrot oil? A long time ago I did a permanent red color that gave me the longest and worst shedding I have ever seen. It was really scarry!

I remember using some sort of carrot grease that stopped the shedding right away. any recommendations??
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I dk about the carrot grease but I have been having shedding and was recommended garlic pills so I bought some garlic pills. I've only been taking them for a couple of days now but hopefully it helps. If you find and use the grease let me know if it helps.
 
mshoneyfly, HairPleezeGrow why are you trying to stop shedding when it is part of normal hair growth? Is your hair thinning? If not, then you should aim to get as much of that hair out (could be up to 100 strands per day) or you will have issues with tangling. If you are not combing your hair daily, more hair will come out when you do: up to 200 hairs after two days, up to 7000 hairs after a week. So people need to stop acting like shedding is a bad thing. If your hair didn't shed, it would not be growing.
 
Nonie said:
mshoneyfly, HairPleezeGrow why are you trying to stop shedding when it is part of normal hair growth? Is your hair thinning? If not, then you should aim to get as much of that hair out (could be up to 100 strands per day) or you will have issues with tangling. If you are not combing your hair daily, more hair will come out when you do: up to 200 hairs after two days, up to 7000 hairs after a week. So people need to stop acting like shedding is a bad thing. If your hair didn't shed, it would not be growing.
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No my shedding is not my typical normal shedding. I know I get normal shedding which I expect but this is excessive shedding I started to get when I started using sulfur oil.
 
Nonie said:
mshoneyfly, HairPleezeGrow why are you trying to stop shedding when it is part of normal hair growth? Is your hair thinning? If not, then you should aim to get as much of that hair out (could be up to 100 strands per day) or you will have issues with tangling. If you are not combing your hair daily, more hair will come out when you do: up to 200 hairs after two days, up to 7000 hairs after a week. So people need to stop acting like shedding is a bad thing. If your hair didn't shed, it would not be growing.
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Nonie
no my hair doesnt seem to be thinning. it just seems to be an increase from what i usually see. I will say that i feel i am finally on the right track with protein/moisture balance and retaining some length but I also need to address the mild breakage, right? thanks for the reality check :)

HairPleezeGrow
i got the ORS carrot oil in the new packaging and some gvp paul mitchell super strong treatment. will wait a few days or a week to begin using the carrot oil and let u know how it works.

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Whohoo!! Fine haired ladies UNITE! :)

I haven't read through the whole thread yet, just checking in.
 
mshoneyfly said:
ok so I did a nettle rinse with a dc of wen 613, honey and oil mix on top after a nice shampoo with shea moisture. My goals were to add some protein and stop the recent shedding and breakage I am seeing.

well it didnt stop the breakage or the shedding.

anybody use a product with carrot oil? A long time ago I did a permanent red color that gave me the longest and worst shedding I have ever seen. It was really scarry!

I remember using some sort of carrot grease that stopped the shedding right away. any recommendations??
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ORS Carrot oil is the one you are talking about.
 
mshoneyfly said:
ok so I did a nettle rinse with a dc of wen 613, honey and oil mix on top after a nice shampoo with shea moisture. My goals were to add some protein and stop the recent shedding and breakage I am seeing.

well it didnt stop the breakage or the shedding.

anybody use a product with carrot oil? A long time ago I did a permanent red color that gave me the longest and worst shedding I have ever seen. It was really scarry!

I remember using some sort of carrot grease that stopped the shedding right away. any recommendations??
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mshoneyfly I love carrot oil! Here's a butter that I really like. It has lots of carrot oil :)
 
Whoops! Forgot my introduction :drunk:

So, I have fine hair and I'm natural. Hair is about BSB when stretched. Ummm *trying to think of something else to say* Oh, after reading thru this thread, I've decided to incorporate more protein into my regimen by way of coconut milk. I'll use it to pre-poo tomorrow and see how I like it. If it works out, I'll stick to it. :grin:

I've come to the sad realization that I just can't be heavy handed and drench my hair in heavy oils/butters like I want to. Rubbed about 57 ounces of castor oil into my hair tonight, daydreaming about how humectifying :spinning: it was gonna be. How it was gonna make my hair stupid soft and fluffy and awesome... and it's just a weighted down, sticky mess. :lol:

So yeah, no more heavy handedness from me. :nono:
 
going back to my spring/summer M&S products. NTM Silk and Wave Nouveau Moisturizing Mist. all i need now is jojoba oil. these products are very light. i won't be using Cantu to moisturize any more, since i was using it for the winter and it's a little heavier. plus i was using QB heavy cream too and that's heavy.

i am going to use a light protein conditioner once a week. i bun my hair mostly. i don't put it in a fancy bun, just something to keep my ends protected. i am going to try and not dust my ends until my next relaxer. i really want to retain as much as possible. my first goal this year is BSL.

i really like how my hair felt after i flat ironing it. all i did was deep condition and i use PM skinny serum and a heat protectant. i didn't put any leave-ins in my hair. i think with the combo of heat gave my hair a soft feeling.
 
Allow me to introduce myself. I'm a fine haired natural for over 2 and a half years now. I have no clue about my hair typing, in it's wet state I can have curls, some waves some totally straight (and I know it's not heat damage because I haven't used heat in like 8 months and it's not scraggly, just oddly straight) and somedays it acts like 4b, somedays it acts like 3c, I don't know if it's because i've been letting it air dry under a mesh wig cap or what but my hair gets straight if i look at it hard enough. Then it feels like new born baby hair...go figure :spinning: I just recently got to grazing APL when stretched :lick:, I want to flat iron it but I'm trying to stay away from heat for most of the year and stick to PS'ing and M&S frequently.

So I came out of lurking to ask a question!

Does anybody experience really curly/knot prone ends that are NOT split??? I know in general my hair likes to intertwine with one another and for the longest I thought it was because my ends were damaged. But thankfully I have noticed wayyyy less SSK's and split ends:yep:. So I'm a little baffled at my healthy ends with issues smh lol :perplexed
 
JosieLynn said:
Allow me to introduce myself. I'm a fine haired natural for over 2 and a half years now. I have no clue about my hair typing, in it's wet state I can have curls, some waves some totally straight (and I know it's not heat damage because I haven't used heat in like 8 months and it's not scraggly, just oddly straight) and somedays it acts like 4b, somedays it acts like 3c, I don't know if it's because i've been letting it air dry under a mesh wig cap or what but my hair gets straight if i look at it hard enough. Then it feels like new born baby hair...go figure :spinning: I just recently got to grazing APL when stretched :lick:, I want to flat iron it but I'm trying to stay away from heat for most of the year and stick to PS'ing and M&S frequently.

So I came out of lurking to ask a question!

Does anybody experience really curly/knot prone ends that are NOT split??? I know in general my hair likes to intertwine with one another and for the longest I thought it was because my ends were damaged. But thankfully I have noticed wayyyy less SSK's and split ends:yep:. So I'm a little baffled at my healthy ends with issues smh lol :perplexed
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I get the knots on the ends of my hair also. I'm not sure if it's just bc of the hair being curly or if the fines has anything to do with it..
 
JosieLynn said:
Allow me to introduce myself. I'm a fine haired natural for over 2 and a half years now. I have no clue about my hair typing, in it's wet state I can have curls, some waves some totally straight (and I know it's not heat damage because I haven't used heat in like 8 months and it's not scraggly, just oddly straight) and somedays it acts like 4b, somedays it acts like 3c, I don't know if it's because i've been letting it air dry under a mesh wig cap or what but my hair gets straight if i look at it hard enough. Then it feels like new born baby hair...go figure :spinning: I just recently got to grazing APL when stretched :lick:, I want to flat iron it but I'm trying to stay away from heat for most of the year and stick to PS'ing and M&S frequently.

So I came out of lurking to ask a question!

Does anybody experience really curly/knot prone ends that are NOT split??? I know in general my hair likes to intertwine with one another and for the longest I thought it was because my ends were damaged. But thankfully I have noticed wayyyy less SSK's and split ends:yep:. So I'm a little baffled at my healthy ends with issues smh lol :perplexed
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i am 4a. my hair is very coily in it's natural state. i was very prone to SSKs and tangles. my hair like to coily strands up on itself and once my hair got to between SL/APL i had to keep it stretched in order to avoid the knots. that's why if i go back to being natural, i will be loc'ing my hair. i would rather the tangles and knots work for me, than against me.
 
JosieLynn said:
Allow me to introduce myself. I'm a fine haired natural for over 2 and a half years now. I have no clue about my hair typing, in it's wet state I can have curls, some waves some totally straight (and I know it's not heat damage because I haven't used heat in like 8 months and it's not scraggly, just oddly straight) and somedays it acts like 4b, somedays it acts like 3c, I don't know if it's because i've been letting it air dry under a mesh wig cap or what but my hair gets straight if i look at it hard enough. Then it feels like new born baby hair...go figure :spinning: I just recently got to grazing APL when stretched :lick:, I want to flat iron it but I'm trying to stay away from heat for most of the year and stick to PS'ing and M&S frequently.

So I came out of lurking to ask a question!

Does anybody experience really curly/knot prone ends that are NOT split??? I know in general my hair likes to intertwine with one another and for the longest I thought it was because my ends were damaged. But thankfully I have noticed wayyyy less SSK's and split ends:yep:. So I'm a little baffled at my healthy ends with issues smh lol :perplexed
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That was the EXACT reason why I went back to relaxers. The ends of my hair would "bunch" like no other. I had no heat damage or split ends b/c I used heat max 4 times a year and my hair was always weaves up. I cut two inches thinking that would solve all issues.. :nono: that same day my new ends were bunchy and tangled. My relaxed/texlaxed hair does the same:/ just a lot less.

Flat ironed yesterday and it's lie my thin strands just love to poof. It's straight, but poofy. Idk I can't add too much products because then its weighed down.
 
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JosieLynn said:
Does anybody experience really curly/knot prone ends that are NOT split??? I know in general my hair likes to intertwine with one another and for the longest I thought it was because my ends were damaged. But thankfully I have noticed wayyyy less SSK's and split ends:yep:. So I'm a little baffled at my healthy ends with issues smh lol :perplexed
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@JosieLynn

I have extremely fine texlaxed hair (that looks far more natural than relaxed) and I struggle with knotting on my ends as well. I dust often and even that doesn't seem to help. Literally, I can dust one day and have knots the next. :ohwell:
 
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my hair seems to grow in layers (which is annoying). when i get to à lenght thé middle seems longer on my back than thé sides. like à v shape. + i dust regulary...well like every 10-12 weeks but yesterday i looked very close at thé ends in thé light.

i saw some split ends. so im annoyed here.
do you ladies think i should just cut back to between sl and apl?? currently its touching bsl on thé longest layers.
i.was aiming mbl this year so i really will feel bad if i cut .But thé split ends are sometimes higher than i thought.

im struggling to retain.....
 
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coolsista-paris don't cut!! If you have the money get a split-ender. Idk bout everyone else but my ends look ok but I still find splits every now and then. If I happen to see one I just cut it. Splits happen no matter how hard you try and protect your hair. Me trying to rid myself of ALL of them caused me not to retain. I think its normal.... Though my opinion may be unpopular.
 
freckledface said:
coolsista-paris don't cut!! If you have the money get a split-ender. Idk bout everyone else but my ends look ok but I still find splits every now and then. If I happen to see one I just cut it. Splits happen no matter how hard you try and protect your hair. Me trying to rid myself of ALL of them caused me not to retain. I think its normal.... Though my opinion may be unpopular.
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Yes, split ends happen no matter what. Waiting to cut them only when you see them is too late. Dusting ALL strands regularly is how to retain length. I don't even protective style, seal or moisturize my fine strands. The only way I am able to retain is to dust before splits have become visible. That way I can afford to take off a tiny bit and still succeed in leaving fine strands whole and strong.

coolsista-paris, maybe waiting 10-12 weeks to dust is waiting too long. I dust every 8 weeks and so only cut 1/4 inch. When I waited 16 weeks, 2 whole inches of my hair ends were thinned out from damage. I cut the entire thinned out end. If I had only dusted, the remaining 1.75 inches would have broken off anyway. If you see ONE split end, do you think it is realistic to think that is all you have damaged? Splits start off so tiny and fall away like dust. Those that hang on for you to see a fork have been around for weeks growing to that size. Why even give them a chance to get that big? Wouldn't stronger strands have a better fighting chance?

If I were you, I would get a good trim then dust sooner than you have been doing. Holding onto ends that are damaged will get you nowhere. Ask virtuenow, she had to sacrifice length for health and is now back to where she was. Healthy hair will gain length. Damaged hair, if not cut deliberately by you, will rip off on its own and leave more ruggedy ends. Why else do you think that those who never used to dust early saw progress when they started to do it sooner? There are some fine-haired unicorns that don't dust and have long hair, but usually, it's the coarse hairs that can get away with that. Fine hair splits so easily so prevention of the splits getting so big that breakage is apparent is a good idea.
 
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Nonie said:
If I were you, I would get a good trim then dust sooner than you have been doing. Holding onto ends that are damaged will get you nowhere. Ask @virtuenow, she had to sacrifice length for health and is now back to where she was. Healthy hair will gain length. Damaged hair, if not cut deliberately by you, will rip off on its own and leave more ruggedy ends. Why else do you think that those who never used to dust early saw progress when they started to do it sooner? There are some fine-haired unicorns that don't dust and have long hair, but usually, it's the coarse hairs that can get away with that. Fine hair splits so easily so prevention of the splits getting so big that breakage is apparent is a good idea.
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I am on a protective style regimen and trim every 8 weeks. Komaza's Professional analysis services helped to get me on track. You can see my full story here: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=675865. But long story short, I had my hair analyzed under a microscope; and did a 5month follow-up analysis. To prove that my hair needed regular trims, Komaza showed how my hair looked after strictly following a regular trim schedule.

According to Jenn (from Komaza) this first picture [below] shows my hair is naturally wearing and tapering. She said this meant my hair was almost due for it's regular trim. That hair has begun to weather and the ends have cuticles that are lifted. All it took was a small trim to get rid of it and all of my natural wear & tear. 1/4-1/8 inch. The rest of my hair strands were well preserved w/normal porosity and moisture levels-- it was just the very ends that needed snipping. The rest of the pics are in the link; but I haven't showed the below pics yet!
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This second picture is hair that is freshly trimmed, you can see thick healthy end; cutilces are laying down (i.e., they are not susceptible to catching on other hairs or splitting as long as I keep up w/the trims).

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So I never used to be a believer in trims. It took them showing me that eventhough I have done nothing but protective styles and regular deep conditioning/good care-- my ends are still naturally tapering off and weathering on their own. The trims are preventing running splits and continual breakage that manifests itself in the form of low retention.
 

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virtuenow

Great pictures.

So did they say it takes about 8 weeks for your ends to go from Picture2 to Picture1?

I can't remember when I last dusted but it wasn't that long ago. I need to start making a note on my calender.
 
Bublin said:
@virtuenow

Great pictures.

So did they say it takes about 8 weeks for your ends to go from Picture2 to Picture1?

I can't remember when I last dusted but it wasn't that long ago. I need to start making a note on my calender.
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They said to trim every 6-8 weeks. I think she was on point when she said I was due for a trim; b/c it would have been about the 8 week point precisely.
 
Nonie and virtuenow - I am seriously considering doing this now. The search and destroy method worked for me previously but now that my hair is older I need to be proactive regarding the health of my ends.
 
Ladies, joining this thread. My hair is fine, medium density, low porosity. It's grown to wHip from wet bunning with glycerin and aloe spritzes but I'm struggling to get it to tailbone.

My sides grow faster than my crown or nape, unfortunately. I thought the constant bunning was the cause and I no longer bun every day.

I took 4-5 inches off in October 2012 and it's grown back nicely. 1/8" trims every 4 weeks, water spritzes daily and twisting seems to be working right now. My hair doesn't do well with braids I realize and it breaks more easily. The daily unknown is how much moisture and sealing my hair needs. Right now, I think 2x daily is working ... I'll see how that changes as weather moves to spring.

My hair likes flatironing -- I think because the hair doesn't curl on itself and my scalp oil more easily reaches the ends. When I flat iron, I have minimal to no breakage but I don't have 2 hours a week to flatiron.

Thanks for this thread! I'm learning a lot from reading your posts.
 
cynd

Well I get knots but they're not to the point where i need to cut them out, I just notice that when I am detangling the hair will get caught around itself alot and usually i just single it out and rub the knot out with some oil. And I do everything in sections because when I first BC my hair was too short to curl on itself but as it got longer I used to be SSK/split central:nono::nono: so now I wash in twists or braids, airdry in braids, everything! lol I don't have SSK and split ends anymore but it still is just so tangly and I just did a cut in december! I think i might have to start detangling with my denman brush again....well i'd have to buy a new one because my family destroyed mine :sad:
 
freckledface said:
coolsista-paris don't cut!! If you have the money get a split-ender. Idk bout everyone else but my ends look ok but I still find splits every now and then. If I happen to see one I just cut it. Splits happen no matter how hard you try and protect your hair. Me trying to rid myself of ALL of them caused me not to retain. I think its normal.... Though my opinion may be unpopular.
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oh. no matter what these split ends will keep appearing then. :-(

oh right so cutting is not the solution .

ive heard some say that the spit ender gave thèm trouble.

im gonna check out.what that thing is. i dont even have à clue of what it.looks.like lol.
 
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