Kurlee
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do you think the food thing could be the whole vegetarianism movement?
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Poohbear
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Hmmm, I think so. That was my initial thought when reading that verse about abstaining from certain foods. I think some people will teach that eating meat is a sin when it's not. It was just an Old Testament law to not eat certain meats, but Jesus came to fulfill that law. Jesus says it is what comes out of a man that defiles a man, not what he puts in his belly. I believe God has allowed us to eat any food.
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Kurlee
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see this part has always been confusing to me. I read an article where a scientist looked at the leviticus law and explained why god was "onto something". Basically, all the things God told us not to eat like swine and shellfish were scavengers and had incomplete digestive systems, so a lot of the filth they consume is not full "removed". He compared chickens to pork and how even if they both have poor eating habits, one can completely eliminate it while the other can't. He kept comparing different animals, but i can't remember which academic journal is was published in.
lovely008
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Amen! In this time of trouble, we can spread The Gospel of Peace to a world that is living in fear and turmoil.
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Prudent1
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Poohbear said:
GODLESSNESS IN THE LAST DAYS
II Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH
I Timothy 4:1-3 "But the spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons. By means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth."
Kurlee,
If I may add to your discussion with Poohbear? It is always amusing to me how scientists 'discover' God was onto something . Who knows better the inner workings and intricacies of a product than the designer ? That is why for some they should abstain from meats, some from soft drinks, some don't need as much H2O as others. It is not right to say no one should drink coffee b/c God has revealed to you coffee is not good for your body. It may be fine for mine. That's why some ppl can smoke for years and have the pinkest lungs. Most others - cancer, emphysema, COPD city here we come. God made these bodies. He knows what they can stand. It is best to do (consume) all things in moderation. Balance is very important to God.
As for the other scripture there is mention of those with a seared conscious and a form of godliness but not the real deal. They acknowledge God is real. They believe there is a God out there (so do demons BTW) but their actions do not line up with the behaviors God has said set one apart as one of his children. They frequently say things like God is love. He is too but, a part of loving someone also means there are times when correction is needed. They forget that part and choose to believe their loving God would not punish anyone . We choose our actions daily and like gravity, the consequence of an action does not depend on one's understanding of possible outcomes. For example ignorance/ unbelief in gravity will not stop you from falling from a 10 story building. A seared conscious causes us to not be able to hear the still small quiet voice of God when he speaks over time. As a result, we do the things that seem right and fair to us at the time. Many of which are diametrically opposed to the word of God. The worse part of that scripture is ending up with a reprobate mind
. Now that breaks my heart even though I know ppl will have chosen to do so . After so long God will say, "Ok, believe whatever you want to believe. Go ahead and marry a dolphin. Go ahead and watch this porn. Go ahead and keep eating fried food, bread, and mashed potatos only b/c veggies just don't taste as good, etc." He withdraws his hand of protection. You are a sitting duck for the enemy. You chose, he accepted
erplexed .Rom 1:18-28
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Kurlee
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i find it funny too. It's like DUH?! I we know so little about what we THINK we know.@Poohbear said:
GODLESSNESS IN THE LAST DAYS
II Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH
I Timothy 4:1-3 "But the spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons. By means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth."
@Kurlee,
If I may add to your discussion with @Poohbear? It is always amusing to me how scientists 'discover' God was onto something . Who knows better the inner workings and intricacies of a product than the designer ? That is why for some they should abstain from meats, some from soft drinks, some don't need as much H2O as others. It is not right to say no one should drink coffee b/c God has revealed to you coffee is not good for your body. It may be fine for mine. That's why some ppl can smoke for years and have the pinkest lungs. Most others - cancer, emphysema, COPD city here we come. God made these bodies. He knows what they can stand. It is best to do (consume) all things in moderation. Balance is very important to God.
As for the other scripture there is mention of those with a seared conscious and a form of godliness but not the real deal. They acknowledge God is real. They believe there is a God out there (so do demons BTW) but their actions do not line up with the behaviors God has said set one apart as one of his children. They frequently say things like God is love. He is too but, a part of loving someone also means there are times when correction is needed. They forget that part and choose to believe their loving God would not punish anyone . We choose our actions daily and like gravity, the consequence of an action does not depend on one's understanding of possible outcomes. For example ignorance/ unbelief in gravity will not stop you from falling from a 10 story building. A seared conscious causes us to not be able to hear the still small quiet voice of God when he speaks over time. As a result, we do the things that seem right and fair to us at the time. Many of which are diametrically opposed to the word of God. The worse part of that scripture is ending up with a reprobate mind
Rom 1:18-28
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Thanks for the responses. I am still learning.you will not need those things
Because of the rapture? I don't think there will be a pre tribulation rapture because Jesus spoke about enduring till the end, I'm still on the fence with this subject. But I understand what your saying
makeupgirl
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Because of the rapture? I don't think there will be a pre tribulation rapture because Jesus spoke about enduring till the end, I'm still on the fence with this subject. But I understand what your saying
That is not what Jesus meant when he spoke about enduring til the end. He means to continue spreading the gospel, living day to day as followers of Christ, continue to not conform to the world, continue to renew your mind and studying his word. Example, as of now the majority of us are probably at work. We are working for a goal, to get our job that we have been assigned to do done and the other goal is to get to the end day (which for me tonight will be after 8) so we are enduring (doing our work and what we're suppose to do until it's time to get off and go home). It's much like the body of Christ today. We are not citizens of this world, so we're doing what we need to do according to what God has called us to do until he takes us home.
As far as pre-trib, we are pre-trib. The rapture will most definitely come before the tribulation. Stuff that is going down now is nothing compares to what to come after the rapture. If one has trusted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, then we won't go through that time.
Jesus said... "... and when you see these things, 'see to it, that you're not troubled'; look up for your Salvation is near."
lovely008
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you will not need those things
I've actually heard of some believers being led to stocking up on imperishable foods and water and leaving bibles with information about the rapture/coming tribulation/salvation inside just for those who will be left behind.
blazingthru
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OH Gosh, I felt so bad when I read these post. there isn't going to be a one government system going on. We have the statue of King Nebuchadnezzar as our example of how the empires would be, Where we are in that statue is the toes. as you can see in the picture if you look it up its a mixture of iron and clay. You don't even have to go to the bible you can go online and look at the world empires and you will see the order in which they came on the scene exactly as the statue depict.
Daniel 2
31 “Your Majesty looked, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. 32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.
Head of Gold - This was Babylon empire 612 - 539 BC
Chest of Silver - This was the Medo-Persian empire 539 - 331 BC
Thighs of Bronze - This was the empire of Greece 331 - 168 BC
Legs of Iron This was the Roman empire 168 - 476
Iron and Clay - Roman and US
There are two things you need to be very concerned about and that is the seal of God and the Mark of the Beast. Its not a stamp or a chip its what you believe and what you worship.
Plus study out things. See how Nebuchadnezzar did not want to believe that his rein was short lived and went and had a statue build exactly as his dream only in all Gold. Nothing can stop God. But again here is an example of how things will be. You will not have a choice in how you worship, eventually that choice will be made for you or you will die. That really what is coming down the line. Yes and tribulation. Yes we won't be "raptured" out of it. Rapture is not even a biblical word. No all who are saved and who are not saved will go through the tribulation. But there is nothing to fear, God will preserve you through it, just like he did the Hebrews and see what happened to the Egyptians but passed over the Hebrews, the question is are you trusting in God to deliver you out of your many situations now. Most of us do not. You know the bible is not just a book, its not just a book to study out the passages to remember. its so much more then that, not only does it tells us our history and gives us tons of examples, its shows us the way. It tells us the why of it. But if you read it with preconceived ideals its very easy to remain lost. It does not contradict, its very easy and very very hard to read, but with prayer it comes alive and you will be amazed every single time you pick it up. that there is a promise and a future and that God will not withhold no good thing from you.
Daniel 2
31 “Your Majesty looked, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. 32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.
Head of Gold - This was Babylon empire 612 - 539 BC
Chest of Silver - This was the Medo-Persian empire 539 - 331 BC
Thighs of Bronze - This was the empire of Greece 331 - 168 BC
Legs of Iron This was the Roman empire 168 - 476
Iron and Clay - Roman and US
There are two things you need to be very concerned about and that is the seal of God and the Mark of the Beast. Its not a stamp or a chip its what you believe and what you worship.
Plus study out things. See how Nebuchadnezzar did not want to believe that his rein was short lived and went and had a statue build exactly as his dream only in all Gold. Nothing can stop God. But again here is an example of how things will be. You will not have a choice in how you worship, eventually that choice will be made for you or you will die. That really what is coming down the line. Yes and tribulation. Yes we won't be "raptured" out of it. Rapture is not even a biblical word. No all who are saved and who are not saved will go through the tribulation. But there is nothing to fear, God will preserve you through it, just like he did the Hebrews and see what happened to the Egyptians but passed over the Hebrews, the question is are you trusting in God to deliver you out of your many situations now. Most of us do not. You know the bible is not just a book, its not just a book to study out the passages to remember. its so much more then that, not only does it tells us our history and gives us tons of examples, its shows us the way. It tells us the why of it. But if you read it with preconceived ideals its very easy to remain lost. It does not contradict, its very easy and very very hard to read, but with prayer it comes alive and you will be amazed every single time you pick it up. that there is a promise and a future and that God will not withhold no good thing from you.
loulou7
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I am so glad that this Christian Fellowship thread is here for bascially like-minded individuals.
Yes, Bible prophecies are being fulfilled, right under our noses and so many professed believers are asleep. I have even had some to say there has always been earthquakes, floods, etc... But what these individuals are forgetting is the frequency of them.
The Bible uses the illustration of a women about to give birth. The birth pangs continue to increase in number and intensity until the child arrives.
So far as stocking up food and water... Did not Jesus say, Your bread and water is sure?
The only thing we need to be concerned about is trusting and obeying. G_d has never failed in the past and we can look to him for our future.
Yes, Bible prophecies are being fulfilled, right under our noses and so many professed believers are asleep. I have even had some to say there has always been earthquakes, floods, etc... But what these individuals are forgetting is the frequency of them.
The Bible uses the illustration of a women about to give birth. The birth pangs continue to increase in number and intensity until the child arrives.
So far as stocking up food and water... Did not Jesus say, Your bread and water is sure?
The only thing we need to be concerned about is trusting and obeying. G_d has never failed in the past and we can look to him for our future.
blazingthru
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I found this article online, I removed the name of the mark of the beast, because its a church that practices all the bibles says that it would and there are many online here that attend this church, its not the church in itself its the practice of said church
The One World Government
Many people, including Christians are waiting for a one world government to be set up, that will rule the earth. Yes, there is no doubt that the powers of this earth are trying to set up a one world government that will totally rule the world and they will succeed to a certain extent to be able to enforce the mark of the beast, but the world will never become united under a single world nation again like in the past under Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. You see, God revealed to Daniel that Rome would be the last single one world ruling kingdom. After Rome, on this great image, we have the feet of iron and clay. Now what did Daniel say about the feet? ..... Daniel 42-43 .....'And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.' ..... After Rome fell, it split into the kingdoms of Europe. Now we know that people in the past have tried to unite Europe into one nation to rule the world, and they will continue to try like the European Union and United Nations are doing today, but as we can see from the prophecy of Daniel 2 above, they shall not 'cleave one to another' and shall not succeed. The leaders of this world can try all they like to form a one world united ruling nation, but if God has shown through bible prophecy that it cannot happen again, then it won't. Don't get me wrong, the nations of this world will come together in "agreement" for a short time to force the laws of the beast upon the world. As you will see in Revelation 13 that one of the end time beast powers (see America in Prophecy) causes the earth to receive the mark of the beast, and any who refuse, will be killed. But notice that Daniel says this final world power will be partly strong from the iron of Rome, and it will also be broken and it won't be able to cleave together, therefore this "one world government" will only last a short time. The only completely united single ruling kingdom that is coming, is the Kingdom of Christ Jesus, which will smash the kingdoms of this earth to pieces! Praise God!
The One World Government
Many people, including Christians are waiting for a one world government to be set up, that will rule the earth. Yes, there is no doubt that the powers of this earth are trying to set up a one world government that will totally rule the world and they will succeed to a certain extent to be able to enforce the mark of the beast, but the world will never become united under a single world nation again like in the past under Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. You see, God revealed to Daniel that Rome would be the last single one world ruling kingdom. After Rome, on this great image, we have the feet of iron and clay. Now what did Daniel say about the feet? ..... Daniel 42-43 .....'And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.' ..... After Rome fell, it split into the kingdoms of Europe. Now we know that people in the past have tried to unite Europe into one nation to rule the world, and they will continue to try like the European Union and United Nations are doing today, but as we can see from the prophecy of Daniel 2 above, they shall not 'cleave one to another' and shall not succeed. The leaders of this world can try all they like to form a one world united ruling nation, but if God has shown through bible prophecy that it cannot happen again, then it won't. Don't get me wrong, the nations of this world will come together in "agreement" for a short time to force the laws of the beast upon the world. As you will see in Revelation 13 that one of the end time beast powers (see America in Prophecy) causes the earth to receive the mark of the beast, and any who refuse, will be killed. But notice that Daniel says this final world power will be partly strong from the iron of Rome, and it will also be broken and it won't be able to cleave together, therefore this "one world government" will only last a short time. The only completely united single ruling kingdom that is coming, is the Kingdom of Christ Jesus, which will smash the kingdoms of this earth to pieces! Praise God!
lovely008
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That's interesting you believe in the post-trib rapture, that must be burdensome, honestly but you are of course not the only one. Don't let him steal your joy! Please check these links out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzsBC2yiqG8
http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-pre-tribulation-rapture-is.html
http://www.raptureready.com/featured/duck/dd10.html
I just wanted to present that info that is supported by scripture! If you still don't agree with a post-trib rapture, I know you'll be overjoyed when we are all caught up together before the time of testing
God bless!
Rainbow Dash
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blazingthru
Thanks for sharing. I understand not wanting to post that particular church. Im sure I know what you are talking about. My husband and I have been studying this subject and I am just blown away at this. Also have you heard of the book of Martyrs? That organization has a lot of blood on its hands. These people wanted the truth of the bible not manmade unbiblical doctrine.
Again thanks
Thanks for sharing. I understand not wanting to post that particular church. Im sure I know what you are talking about. My husband and I have been studying this subject and I am just blown away at this. Also have you heard of the book of Martyrs? That organization has a lot of blood on its hands. These people wanted the truth of the bible not manmade unbiblical doctrine.
Again thanks
Country gal
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It is really deep to see the signs from the bible,.
Guitarhero
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These problems have been happening for centuries, off and on. I do believe that there will be a climax of sorts but our admonition has always been to persevere until our last day on earth. That's the focus. Otherwise, one can fret and become anxious.
I found this article today and thought there might be a correlation to this scripture.
Posted at 1:45 PM ET, 03/11/2011 The "SuperMoon" and the Japan earthquake
By Jason Samenow
On March 19, the moon's orbit will make its closest approach to Earth in 18 years while at the same time be in full phase. Such a coincidence has been named a "SuperMoon" by astrologer Richard Nolle. As entertainingly chronicled by John Metcalfe over at TBD, Nolle predicts all kinds of weather and natural hazard mayhem, including strong earthquakes, around the time of the Supermoon.
So the questions that emerge are: 1) Is there any legitimate science linking the Supermoon and extreme natural hazards? and, 2) Did the upcoming Supermoon play a role in this morning's horrific earthquake in Japan, the fifth most powerful on record?
AccuWeather's Astronomy blogger Mark Paquette, in a post on March 1, stopped short of rejecting the idea Supermoons and natural hazards are linked, writing:
more on link
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2011/03/the_supermoon_and_the_japan_ea.html
Now if this "Supermoon" is true, imagine what would happen with no moon. Interesting.
blazingthru
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That's interesting you believe in the post-trib rapture, that must be burdensome, honestly but you are of course not the only one. Don't let him steal your joy! Please check these links out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzsBC2yiqG8
http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-pre-tribulation-rapture-is.html
http://www.raptureready.com/featured/duck/dd10.html
I just wanted to present that info that is supported by scripture! If you still don't agree with a post-trib rapture, I know you'll be overjoyed when we are all caught up together before the time of testing
No I believe in the scriptures and the scriptures do not support a post-tribe rapture at all. Again many teachers, minister will support this belief but what does the word of God say about that. But first lets think about this for a moment what is so special about us that we get pulled out before the "time of trouble" comes. if we are pulled out why would God come again. Judgment is now it has already begun and if people don't get it right, Now! there is no second chance none at all. Lets look at the tribulation of God's people that went through it.
Israel in Egypt before the Exodus.
Daniel and his friends in the fiery furnance.
The Christians fed to the lions in Rome.
1260 year persecution by the Papal Church of Rome. (which was foretold exactly in the scriptures)
thats the 144,000.00 that will still be LIVING when Jesus returns.
No we are not going to have an easy time of it.
John 16:33 .....'These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.'
Acts 14:22 .....'Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.'
2 Thessalonians 1:4 .....'So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure.'
Revelation 2:10 .....'Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.'
1 Peter 4:12 .....'Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you.But while its called today we have time to learn the truth of Gods message and change our lives and others. Not by traditions but by the very words that proceed out of mouth of our Lord and Savior. I know this is a lot and shocking for some and others but it is the truth. Satan wants to keep us in darkness but we can overcome that if we step out on faith and start really studying and really searching hard. Its when you start that you will find the truth. Yes I am looking for that day when Jesus will part the clouds and roll the heavens away and come and call us that love and save and obey him home. So I am a little anxious and excited at the same time.
I do stock up on water; for usually after a bad [normal] storm a water main may break and the water is turned off until it's repaired. We're not able to drink the water until it runs it's course.
I have new cases of water of all kinds in my home -- Deer Park, Figi, Dasani, Eternity, Voss - I love the bottles, Perrier... I just love water.
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blazingthru
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The 70 weeks of Daniel is an amazing prophecy and perfectly foretells the first coming of Christ Jesus confirming Him as Messiah, and also reveals something very significant concerning the Jews.
70 Weeks of Daniel
Not only does this Bible prophecy, the 70 weeks of Daniel 9, confirm Jesus as the Messiah, but it also gave a warning and a time frame for the Jews to put an end to their sins and return to God. In this amazing study we will find out exactly what happened to the Jews when this time prophecy was fulfilled and came to an end.
It is interesting that the non-Messianic Jews who this 70 weeks of Daniel partly concerns, actually leave it well alone, because they believe it to be accursed. The tragic thing is, that if they really studied and heeded what it said, then they would have realized exactly who Jesus was. This is one reason why Bible prophecy is so important for us to study and find out the truth, because through it, God reveals vital information for us. Unfortunately, these days we have so many different interpretations of end times Bible prophecy. Why is that? Well, one of the reasons is that TRUE Bible prophecy points to the Roman Catholic Church as the Bible antichrist, and therefore, as a counter to the well known Christian reformation which exposed the Papal Church of Rome as antichrist, they commissioned Jesuit priests to think of different interpretations and to flood the world with those interpretations, so that the Roman Catholic Church no longer stood as antichrist (according to the new false Jesuit interpretations). How did they do this? By cutting off 7 years from this 70 weeks of Daniel and putting it in the future, where a future (different) antichrist would put an end to the sacrifices in a rebuilt temple in Israel, and sadly the majority of Christians have fallen for this false teaching of Rome.
How do you know that you will find the truth here? Because we only use the Word of God and historical facts to reveal the truth.
Many Christians, as said above, cut off the last 7 years from this 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel and place them in the future, but there is not a single line of scripture that tells us to do this. So let me start by saying that the seventy weeks are seventy CONTINUOUS weeks of prophetic time. This is so important to grasp. There are no gaps in between this prophecy, but a continuous unbroken time line. How long are the 70 'prophetic' weeks? We will find out below. Let's now delve into this fascinating Bible prophecy from Daniel, the great prophet and servant of God.
Daniel 9:2 .....'In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.' ..... Daniel was a student of Jeremiah's prophecies, and understood that the 70 years of captivity for the Israelites had come to an end ..... Jeremiah 25:11-12 .....'And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.' ..... The seventy years that Jeremiah had prophesied about had now come to an end with the fall of Babylon.
Daniel praying in 70 weeks prophecy Daniel now comes before God in prayer. Take a good look at how Daniel approaches our Heavenly Father ..... Daniel 9:3-4 .....'And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes: And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments.' ..... How does the majority of the Christian world come to God? We seem to think these days that a quick prayer without even a bowed head will do. There is very little reverence for God these days, so we need to learn a lesson from Daniel. He came to God in prayer, WITH FASTING, SACKCLOTH AND ASHES!! Does that mean we need to be covered in sackcloth and ashes? No, but we need to take the lesson of reverence and humility from Daniel. And how does he address God? 'the great and dreadful God'. He has complete reverence for our Almighty Creator. I really believe that God would move in a more greater and glorious way if the church would learn how to come before Him.
So why does Daniel come before God in prayer? ..... Daniel 9:5-6 .....'We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments: Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.' ..... The Israelites kept falling into sin and disobeying God, and if you study through the Old Testament you will find that they kept falling into apostasy over and over again and that is why they were taken into captivity, because of their many sins, and constant turning from the LORD. So Daniel comes before God to confess their sins and ask for forgiveness. So this is a good lesson for us in that we should be asking for forgiveness for others we know, not just for ourselves. Daniel doesn't just pray for himself, he prays for ALL Israel.
Daniel 9:20-22 .....'And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God; Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.' ..... Daniel was given a vision in chapter 8, and now during his prayer, the angel Gabriel was commanded by God to go and give Daniel understanding about the vision. Now we know that this was concerning the vision in chapter 8, because there is no other vision given to Daniel between that time and his prayer in chapter 9. The vision is concerning the 2300 days (from chapter 8), where at the end of the vision, if you read it, you will find that Daniel fainted and was sick and couldn't understand the vision (Daniel 8:27). Gabriel had come now to give Daniel 'skill and understanding' about the vision. We now delve into the actual 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel:
Daniel 9:24 .....'Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.' ..... As mentioned at the start of this page, this prophecy of the 70 weeks were given to the Jews to put an end to their sins. God chose the nation of Israel to be a light to the World, to take God's Word to the world and bring glory to Him. But, the Israelites failed because of their constant sin and apostasy. So now God through Daniel gives them 70 weeks to put an end once and for all to their falling away, otherwise He would take away from them their special status of being the chosen nation and give it to someone else. Jesus confirmed this Himself when He said in Matthew 21:43 .....'Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.' ..... Why did Jesus say this? Because the nation of Israel had failed. They didn't end their sin and rebellion against God's law, and they didn't accept Jesus as their Saviour. So the kingdom of God was taken from them and given to the Gentiles (anyone who accepts Christ Jesus). Did this mean that the Jews were lost? No, it just means that they no longer enjoyed special status as God's only chosen people.
70 Weeks of Daniel
Not only does this Bible prophecy, the 70 weeks of Daniel 9, confirm Jesus as the Messiah, but it also gave a warning and a time frame for the Jews to put an end to their sins and return to God. In this amazing study we will find out exactly what happened to the Jews when this time prophecy was fulfilled and came to an end.
It is interesting that the non-Messianic Jews who this 70 weeks of Daniel partly concerns, actually leave it well alone, because they believe it to be accursed. The tragic thing is, that if they really studied and heeded what it said, then they would have realized exactly who Jesus was. This is one reason why Bible prophecy is so important for us to study and find out the truth, because through it, God reveals vital information for us. Unfortunately, these days we have so many different interpretations of end times Bible prophecy. Why is that? Well, one of the reasons is that TRUE Bible prophecy points to the Roman Catholic Church as the Bible antichrist, and therefore, as a counter to the well known Christian reformation which exposed the Papal Church of Rome as antichrist, they commissioned Jesuit priests to think of different interpretations and to flood the world with those interpretations, so that the Roman Catholic Church no longer stood as antichrist (according to the new false Jesuit interpretations). How did they do this? By cutting off 7 years from this 70 weeks of Daniel and putting it in the future, where a future (different) antichrist would put an end to the sacrifices in a rebuilt temple in Israel, and sadly the majority of Christians have fallen for this false teaching of Rome.
How do you know that you will find the truth here? Because we only use the Word of God and historical facts to reveal the truth.
Many Christians, as said above, cut off the last 7 years from this 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel and place them in the future, but there is not a single line of scripture that tells us to do this. So let me start by saying that the seventy weeks are seventy CONTINUOUS weeks of prophetic time. This is so important to grasp. There are no gaps in between this prophecy, but a continuous unbroken time line. How long are the 70 'prophetic' weeks? We will find out below. Let's now delve into this fascinating Bible prophecy from Daniel, the great prophet and servant of God.
Daniel 9:2 .....'In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.' ..... Daniel was a student of Jeremiah's prophecies, and understood that the 70 years of captivity for the Israelites had come to an end ..... Jeremiah 25:11-12 .....'And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.' ..... The seventy years that Jeremiah had prophesied about had now come to an end with the fall of Babylon.
Daniel praying in 70 weeks prophecy Daniel now comes before God in prayer. Take a good look at how Daniel approaches our Heavenly Father ..... Daniel 9:3-4 .....'And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes: And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments.' ..... How does the majority of the Christian world come to God? We seem to think these days that a quick prayer without even a bowed head will do. There is very little reverence for God these days, so we need to learn a lesson from Daniel. He came to God in prayer, WITH FASTING, SACKCLOTH AND ASHES!! Does that mean we need to be covered in sackcloth and ashes? No, but we need to take the lesson of reverence and humility from Daniel. And how does he address God? 'the great and dreadful God'. He has complete reverence for our Almighty Creator. I really believe that God would move in a more greater and glorious way if the church would learn how to come before Him.
So why does Daniel come before God in prayer? ..... Daniel 9:5-6 .....'We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments: Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.' ..... The Israelites kept falling into sin and disobeying God, and if you study through the Old Testament you will find that they kept falling into apostasy over and over again and that is why they were taken into captivity, because of their many sins, and constant turning from the LORD. So Daniel comes before God to confess their sins and ask for forgiveness. So this is a good lesson for us in that we should be asking for forgiveness for others we know, not just for ourselves. Daniel doesn't just pray for himself, he prays for ALL Israel.
Daniel 9:20-22 .....'And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God; Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.' ..... Daniel was given a vision in chapter 8, and now during his prayer, the angel Gabriel was commanded by God to go and give Daniel understanding about the vision. Now we know that this was concerning the vision in chapter 8, because there is no other vision given to Daniel between that time and his prayer in chapter 9. The vision is concerning the 2300 days (from chapter 8), where at the end of the vision, if you read it, you will find that Daniel fainted and was sick and couldn't understand the vision (Daniel 8:27). Gabriel had come now to give Daniel 'skill and understanding' about the vision. We now delve into the actual 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel:
Daniel 9:24 .....'Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.' ..... As mentioned at the start of this page, this prophecy of the 70 weeks were given to the Jews to put an end to their sins. God chose the nation of Israel to be a light to the World, to take God's Word to the world and bring glory to Him. But, the Israelites failed because of their constant sin and apostasy. So now God through Daniel gives them 70 weeks to put an end once and for all to their falling away, otherwise He would take away from them their special status of being the chosen nation and give it to someone else. Jesus confirmed this Himself when He said in Matthew 21:43 .....'Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.' ..... Why did Jesus say this? Because the nation of Israel had failed. They didn't end their sin and rebellion against God's law, and they didn't accept Jesus as their Saviour. So the kingdom of God was taken from them and given to the Gentiles (anyone who accepts Christ Jesus). Did this mean that the Jews were lost? No, it just means that they no longer enjoyed special status as God's only chosen people.
blazingthru
Well-Known Member
"The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you (Jews) and given to another nation (Gentiles)"
Are the 70 weeks of Daniel literal weeks? No, you see in bible prophecy, a day equals a year. Note the following two scriptures.
Ezekiel 4:6 .....'And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.'
Numbers 14:34 .....'After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.'
See day for a year principle for more great info on this.
So one day in bible prophecy is one literal year. So let's calculate the 70 weeks. 70x7 = 490. So the 70 weeks = 490 prophetic days, but taking into account that a day = a year in bible prophecy, then this 70 weeks is actually 490 years. Most bible scholars are in agreement that this time period is actually 490 years, not days. So to remain as God's special chosen nation, Israel had 490 years to put a complete end to their sins. But when did this 490 years start?
end times prophecy chart
70 Weeks of Daniel Starting Point
Daniel 9:25 .....'Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem.' ..... So as we do here, we need to use the Word of God and actual historical facts. Now the seventy weeks prophecy of Daniel would start, as said in the verse above, at the command to rebuild Jerusalem. When was this? ..... Ezra 7:13,20 .....'I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee. And whatsoever more shall be needful for the house of thy God, which thou shalt have occasion to bestow, bestow it out of the king's treasure house.' ..... Artaxerxes issued the above decree in 457 BC. This is where some people disagree, because the command to rebuild Jerusalem had already been given by Cyrus, and the rebuilding had already started. We find this decree in Ezra 1:3 .....'Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.' ..... This decree was given in 539 BC. But the Israelites were forced to stop rebuilding the city by Artaxerxes ..... Ezra 4:21,23 .....'Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me. Now when the copy of king Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, and Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem unto the Jews, and made them to cease by force and power.' ..... But notice that they were to only stop UNTIL they were given another command by Artaxerxes to continue. So it is at this second command that the 490 year (70 weeks) prophecy begins.
Is there any way we can be sure that we have chosen the right command? Yes! There is a very sure way of knowing that we have chosen the right one, because within this 70 weeks (490 years) prophecy, Christ is revealed as the Messiah..... Daniel 9:25 .....'Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.' ..... Did you notice there, from the command until MESSIAH THE PRINCE? This is none other than Christ Jesus. So, we need to do some easy straightforward calculating to work this out. The seven weeks and threescore and two weeks in the above verse is 69 weeks, which amounts to 483 days. Now as we know a day in bible prophecy = a year. So this 483 days is actually 483 years. So in 483 years AFTER the command (second command from Artaxerxes) to rebuild Jerusalem, Jesus would be revealed as the Messiah. This is the important bit as to know which command to choose:
If you choose the first command by Cyrus in 539 BC and take away 483 years, we come to 56 BC.
If you choose the second command by Artaxerxes in 457 BC and take away the 483 years, we come to 27 AD.
What happened in 56 BC? Nothing that concerned Jesus
What happened in 27 AD? Jesus' Baptism! He is revealed as Messiah
For much more information on the evidence for this date, see Daniels 70 weeks prophecy
So now you can see why the SECOND command by Artaxerxes HAS to be used. Not that we need any more confirmation that we are using the right starting point with the second command, but God's amazing truth gives us even more confirmation. You see, in Daniel 9:25, the angel Gabriel gives two time periods. One period of '7 weeks' and the other period of 'threescore and two weeks'. A little bit more calculating to do! Seven weeks = 49 years (don't forget the day to year rule). From 457 BC (the second command), 49 years would take us to 408 BC. Is this date significant? Yes it is!! It is the date that the restoration of the city finished! Then we have the threescore and two weeks which equates to 434 years. Now if we take 434 from 408 BC (when rebuilding the city had finished), we come to 27 AD, Jesus' baptism! Friend, that is the amazing truth of God right there! Praise God!!
Notice from this next scripture that Jesus Himself confirms that this time period from Daniels 70 weeks prophecy had been fulfilled by Himself ..... Mark 1:9-15 .....'And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him. Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.' ..... The time of the 7 weeks and the threescore and two weeks had been fulfilled. The voice from Heaven was heard and Jesus Christ was revealed as the Messiah.
Are the 70 weeks of Daniel literal weeks? No, you see in bible prophecy, a day equals a year. Note the following two scriptures.
Ezekiel 4:6 .....'And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.'
Numbers 14:34 .....'After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.'
See day for a year principle for more great info on this.
So one day in bible prophecy is one literal year. So let's calculate the 70 weeks. 70x7 = 490. So the 70 weeks = 490 prophetic days, but taking into account that a day = a year in bible prophecy, then this 70 weeks is actually 490 years. Most bible scholars are in agreement that this time period is actually 490 years, not days. So to remain as God's special chosen nation, Israel had 490 years to put a complete end to their sins. But when did this 490 years start?
end times prophecy chart
70 Weeks of Daniel Starting Point
Daniel 9:25 .....'Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem.' ..... So as we do here, we need to use the Word of God and actual historical facts. Now the seventy weeks prophecy of Daniel would start, as said in the verse above, at the command to rebuild Jerusalem. When was this? ..... Ezra 7:13,20 .....'I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee. And whatsoever more shall be needful for the house of thy God, which thou shalt have occasion to bestow, bestow it out of the king's treasure house.' ..... Artaxerxes issued the above decree in 457 BC. This is where some people disagree, because the command to rebuild Jerusalem had already been given by Cyrus, and the rebuilding had already started. We find this decree in Ezra 1:3 .....'Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.' ..... This decree was given in 539 BC. But the Israelites were forced to stop rebuilding the city by Artaxerxes ..... Ezra 4:21,23 .....'Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me. Now when the copy of king Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, and Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem unto the Jews, and made them to cease by force and power.' ..... But notice that they were to only stop UNTIL they were given another command by Artaxerxes to continue. So it is at this second command that the 490 year (70 weeks) prophecy begins.
Is there any way we can be sure that we have chosen the right command? Yes! There is a very sure way of knowing that we have chosen the right one, because within this 70 weeks (490 years) prophecy, Christ is revealed as the Messiah..... Daniel 9:25 .....'Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.' ..... Did you notice there, from the command until MESSIAH THE PRINCE? This is none other than Christ Jesus. So, we need to do some easy straightforward calculating to work this out. The seven weeks and threescore and two weeks in the above verse is 69 weeks, which amounts to 483 days. Now as we know a day in bible prophecy = a year. So this 483 days is actually 483 years. So in 483 years AFTER the command (second command from Artaxerxes) to rebuild Jerusalem, Jesus would be revealed as the Messiah. This is the important bit as to know which command to choose:
If you choose the first command by Cyrus in 539 BC and take away 483 years, we come to 56 BC.
If you choose the second command by Artaxerxes in 457 BC and take away the 483 years, we come to 27 AD.
What happened in 56 BC? Nothing that concerned Jesus
What happened in 27 AD? Jesus' Baptism! He is revealed as Messiah
For much more information on the evidence for this date, see Daniels 70 weeks prophecy
So now you can see why the SECOND command by Artaxerxes HAS to be used. Not that we need any more confirmation that we are using the right starting point with the second command, but God's amazing truth gives us even more confirmation. You see, in Daniel 9:25, the angel Gabriel gives two time periods. One period of '7 weeks' and the other period of 'threescore and two weeks'. A little bit more calculating to do! Seven weeks = 49 years (don't forget the day to year rule). From 457 BC (the second command), 49 years would take us to 408 BC. Is this date significant? Yes it is!! It is the date that the restoration of the city finished! Then we have the threescore and two weeks which equates to 434 years. Now if we take 434 from 408 BC (when rebuilding the city had finished), we come to 27 AD, Jesus' baptism! Friend, that is the amazing truth of God right there! Praise God!!
Notice from this next scripture that Jesus Himself confirms that this time period from Daniels 70 weeks prophecy had been fulfilled by Himself ..... Mark 1:9-15 .....'And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him. Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.' ..... The time of the 7 weeks and the threescore and two weeks had been fulfilled. The voice from Heaven was heard and Jesus Christ was revealed as the Messiah.
blazingthru
Well-Known Member
So we still have one week left to account for in this 70 week prophecy. This is where a lot of Christians now cut off the last week of this prophecy and place it future to us at the very end times. But as we confirmed earlier, this prophecy is a continuous one. There is no scripture to say we need to cut off the last week and place it somewhere in the future. Again, this was done by the Jesuits to take the focus off the Roman Catholic Church as antichrist. So let's see where this last week fits in:
Daniel 9:26-27 .....'And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.' ..... So after the baptism of Jesus (after the threescore and two weeks, which ended in 27 AD), it says that Messiah shall be 'cut off'. Now those words, cut off means to be killed. This can only point to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. Notice in the verse it also says that it was NOT FOR HIMSELF that he was cut off (killed). As we know, Jesus died for us to bare our sins. Now if you take this last week of this 70 week prophecy and put it in the future, then you are denying that it is pointing to the cross of our Saviour, which it clearly is. So this last week of the 70 weeks prophecy starts at the baptism of Jesus, and in the middle of the week, He would cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. At the cross, Jesus put an end to the priestly service, which included the sacrifice and offerings of animals for sins. The middle of 7 years is 3.5 years. If you take 3.5 years from 27 AD, you come to 31 AD. This is the exact year of Jesus sacrifice on the cross of Calvary. The great veil of the temple ripped in two, which symbolized the end of the sacrifice and oblation (offerings). In no way is this a future antichrist which the Jesuit false teaching proclaims.
There is 3.5 years left of this 70 weeks of Daniel. After they killed Jesus on the cross, the Jews were given another 3.5 years to end their sin and accept Jesus as their Saviour. What an awesome God we have, who is full of grace! Now it said in the 70 week prophecy that the covenant would be confirmed for 1 week, which is 7 'prophetic' days, which equates to 7 literal years. Christ confirmed the covenant for the first 3.5 years, and after His death and resurrection, it was now the job of the apostles to continue preaching the gospel message to the Jews for the last 3.5 years ..... Luke 24:46-47 .....'And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.' ..... So beginning at Jerusalem, the apostles were to confirm the new covenant. So when did the Jews finally reject the gospel message of Christ and when did this 3.5 years come to an end? ..... Acts 7:57-58 .....'Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, and cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.' ..... Stephen had just given a speech about the gospel to the Jewish leaders, and notice above what they did, 'they stopped their ears' and stoned Stephen. So they finally rejected the new covenant message and thus rejected Jesus and this fulfilled the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel and that special status of being God's chosen nation was taken from them. By the way, the stoning of Stephen happened exactly 3.5 years after the cross, thus perfectly fulfilling the time prophecy of 70 weeks (490 years). Paul himself, after becoming a follower of Christ, confirmed this ..... Acts 13:46 .....'Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.'
This 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel 9 doesn't end there though. Something else was prophesied that would happen ..... Daniel 9:26 .....'And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.' ..... This is the part where the Jesuits 'made up' a different interpretation, so as to point to a future antichrist. Many Christians go along with this and believe this 'prince' to be the future antichrist. But this part of the prophecy has also already been fulfilled. The Roman army in 70 AD, came and destroyed the city of Jerusalem:
"In AD66, when Cestius came against the city, but withdrew, the Christians discerned in this the sign foretold by Christ and fled, while 1,100,000 Jews are said to have been killed in the terrible siege in AD70." Eusebius, Church History, Book 3, Chapter 5.
This was a tragic consequence of the Jews rejection of Christ. The city of Jerusalem was completely leveled by the Romans, which also was foretold by Christ ..... Mark 13:2 .....'And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.'
"The house of the Jews was left desolate"
So in this prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel, God forgave the Jews 70 x 7. Jesus confirmed this Himself when He said to Peter in Matthew 18:21-22 .....'Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.' ..... How amazing is the Word of God?!! So the Jewish nation were given 70 x 7 (70 weeks or 490 years) to end their sin and turn to God. This they did not do and as a result, the Kingdom of God was taken from them and given to the Gentiles. The Jewish nation were no longer the chosen nation. This is something that many prophecy teachers and students miss. You will see many end times bible prophecy websites that focus on the nation of Israel in the end times, still thinking that they are God's chosen people, but this 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel proves that they are no longer that chosen nation. They can still turn to Jesus and be converted to Christianity, but they are no longer the one chosen nation, because now all who turn to Jesus, whether Jew or Gentile are TRUE Israel, as the following verses confirm:
Romans 2:28-29 .....'For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.'
Galatians 3:28-29 .....'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.'
Ephesians 3:6 .....'That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel.'
A true Jew, a true chosen child of God, is anyone who turns to Him, accepts Jesus as their Saviour, and worship God in spirit and in truth. Jesus said Himself in Matthew 23:38 .....'Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.' ..... The house of the Jews, and the special chosen status became desolate, destroyed, because of their complete rejection of the gospel message. So this amazing 70 weeks of Daniel confirms Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and at the same time confirms that Israel in the flesh is no longer God's chosen nation. Yes, I'm sure that Israel will have a part to play in the end times, as will all other nations, but don't focus your attention on them, as many other prophecy students do. Focus on following Jesus and obeying and keeping God's Commandments ..... Revelation 14:12 .....'Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.' ..... These are God's TRUE end time people.
This is an article I found online, that explains the 70 weeks, better then I can, however these are the writers words and supported by scripture.
Daniel 9:26-27 .....'And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.' ..... So after the baptism of Jesus (after the threescore and two weeks, which ended in 27 AD), it says that Messiah shall be 'cut off'. Now those words, cut off means to be killed. This can only point to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. Notice in the verse it also says that it was NOT FOR HIMSELF that he was cut off (killed). As we know, Jesus died for us to bare our sins. Now if you take this last week of this 70 week prophecy and put it in the future, then you are denying that it is pointing to the cross of our Saviour, which it clearly is. So this last week of the 70 weeks prophecy starts at the baptism of Jesus, and in the middle of the week, He would cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. At the cross, Jesus put an end to the priestly service, which included the sacrifice and offerings of animals for sins. The middle of 7 years is 3.5 years. If you take 3.5 years from 27 AD, you come to 31 AD. This is the exact year of Jesus sacrifice on the cross of Calvary. The great veil of the temple ripped in two, which symbolized the end of the sacrifice and oblation (offerings). In no way is this a future antichrist which the Jesuit false teaching proclaims.
There is 3.5 years left of this 70 weeks of Daniel. After they killed Jesus on the cross, the Jews were given another 3.5 years to end their sin and accept Jesus as their Saviour. What an awesome God we have, who is full of grace! Now it said in the 70 week prophecy that the covenant would be confirmed for 1 week, which is 7 'prophetic' days, which equates to 7 literal years. Christ confirmed the covenant for the first 3.5 years, and after His death and resurrection, it was now the job of the apostles to continue preaching the gospel message to the Jews for the last 3.5 years ..... Luke 24:46-47 .....'And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.' ..... So beginning at Jerusalem, the apostles were to confirm the new covenant. So when did the Jews finally reject the gospel message of Christ and when did this 3.5 years come to an end? ..... Acts 7:57-58 .....'Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, and cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.' ..... Stephen had just given a speech about the gospel to the Jewish leaders, and notice above what they did, 'they stopped their ears' and stoned Stephen. So they finally rejected the new covenant message and thus rejected Jesus and this fulfilled the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel and that special status of being God's chosen nation was taken from them. By the way, the stoning of Stephen happened exactly 3.5 years after the cross, thus perfectly fulfilling the time prophecy of 70 weeks (490 years). Paul himself, after becoming a follower of Christ, confirmed this ..... Acts 13:46 .....'Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.'
This 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel 9 doesn't end there though. Something else was prophesied that would happen ..... Daniel 9:26 .....'And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.' ..... This is the part where the Jesuits 'made up' a different interpretation, so as to point to a future antichrist. Many Christians go along with this and believe this 'prince' to be the future antichrist. But this part of the prophecy has also already been fulfilled. The Roman army in 70 AD, came and destroyed the city of Jerusalem:
"In AD66, when Cestius came against the city, but withdrew, the Christians discerned in this the sign foretold by Christ and fled, while 1,100,000 Jews are said to have been killed in the terrible siege in AD70." Eusebius, Church History, Book 3, Chapter 5.
This was a tragic consequence of the Jews rejection of Christ. The city of Jerusalem was completely leveled by the Romans, which also was foretold by Christ ..... Mark 13:2 .....'And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.'
"The house of the Jews was left desolate"
So in this prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel, God forgave the Jews 70 x 7. Jesus confirmed this Himself when He said to Peter in Matthew 18:21-22 .....'Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.' ..... How amazing is the Word of God?!! So the Jewish nation were given 70 x 7 (70 weeks or 490 years) to end their sin and turn to God. This they did not do and as a result, the Kingdom of God was taken from them and given to the Gentiles. The Jewish nation were no longer the chosen nation. This is something that many prophecy teachers and students miss. You will see many end times bible prophecy websites that focus on the nation of Israel in the end times, still thinking that they are God's chosen people, but this 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel proves that they are no longer that chosen nation. They can still turn to Jesus and be converted to Christianity, but they are no longer the one chosen nation, because now all who turn to Jesus, whether Jew or Gentile are TRUE Israel, as the following verses confirm:
Romans 2:28-29 .....'For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.'
Galatians 3:28-29 .....'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.'
Ephesians 3:6 .....'That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel.'
A true Jew, a true chosen child of God, is anyone who turns to Him, accepts Jesus as their Saviour, and worship God in spirit and in truth. Jesus said Himself in Matthew 23:38 .....'Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.' ..... The house of the Jews, and the special chosen status became desolate, destroyed, because of their complete rejection of the gospel message. So this amazing 70 weeks of Daniel confirms Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and at the same time confirms that Israel in the flesh is no longer God's chosen nation. Yes, I'm sure that Israel will have a part to play in the end times, as will all other nations, but don't focus your attention on them, as many other prophecy students do. Focus on following Jesus and obeying and keeping God's Commandments ..... Revelation 14:12 .....'Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.' ..... These are God's TRUE end time people.
This is an article I found online, that explains the 70 weeks, better then I can, however these are the writers words and supported by scripture.
BeautifulFlower
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As I sit here looking at the news, in awe of the massive destruction Japan has undergone...I have to reminder that Jesus said things must happen...
So I wonder...I can not pray to God to not do this...because it must happen. I do not want to be like Peter rebuking Jesus for prophesying of His death.
All I can pray to God be the glory in heaven and earth.
So I wonder...I can not pray to God to not do this...because it must happen. I do not want to be like Peter rebuking Jesus for prophesying of His death.
All I can pray to God be the glory in heaven and earth.
Galadriel
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Wow, and I just finished watching the documentary "The Future of Food," where they go into these things.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/67878/the-future-of-food
http://www.hulu.com/watch/67878/the-future-of-food
Guitarhero
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This is a christian forum and to post articles calling one of the largest christian churches in the world (orthodox church is next with 300 million) as "anti-christ" should be against forum rules. If only protestants are welcome here, please consider that there are many catholics and some orthodox christians on this board and it then should be stated that they are not considered christian and therefore, unwelcome. I'm not angry, I'm asking people to consider courtesy.
Having a discussion on end-time prophesy is not what I'm opposing, I'm opposing the spread of misinformation simply because one sect doesn't agree that another is "christian." If we are considering the origin of the anti-Christ or the Beast, there are those who think he will be Jewish. If not Jewish and not catholic, then "christian" from another sect. I think that distinction should be made. It's not that the Church and it's teachings are NOW anti-Christ. Anyone, any church, any christian organization can BECOME apostasy...but we are not apostasy nor heretical. To suggest that any church of Christ, of Jesus Himself is a whore...G-d forbid. This is talking about a specific time in history and I know full well that people misuse Revelations to call the Holy Church a "whore." I do not believe it is the intention of the poster of this article.
We don't have to agree with each other's particular dogma or doctrines but for this writer of the article to infer that Jesuits knowing took off focus of the Holy Church being anti-Christ...L-rd, have mercy. That's like calling us Satan, which we are not. Satan doesn't serve the body and blood of Christ, neither does he consumer it. I know (or, at least, I hope) that this just slipped by. I would never suggest that another sect of christianity or other religion is "satanist" by design...unless, of course, it's satanism.
Having a discussion on end-time prophesy is not what I'm opposing, I'm opposing the spread of misinformation simply because one sect doesn't agree that another is "christian." If we are considering the origin of the anti-Christ or the Beast, there are those who think he will be Jewish. If not Jewish and not catholic, then "christian" from another sect. I think that distinction should be made. It's not that the Church and it's teachings are NOW anti-Christ. Anyone, any church, any christian organization can BECOME apostasy...but we are not apostasy nor heretical. To suggest that any church of Christ, of Jesus Himself is a whore...G-d forbid. This is talking about a specific time in history and I know full well that people misuse Revelations to call the Holy Church a "whore." I do not believe it is the intention of the poster of this article.
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Galadriel
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You know, I never get where these conspiracy theories about Jesuits come from. I know historically in the U.S. and Protestant circles there have been anti-Catholicism and prejudice and ignorance, etc. and it's sad that it still goes on today. Sometimes I get the silliest comments from people who *think* they know what it's about when they actually don't.
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