Kinky4Agirl
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Amen Sistah!!!!
Supreme Court to Decide on Same Sex Marriage
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Amen Sistah!!!!
If our church leaders would stand up and preach the truth it wouldn't be so much confusion going on. But it confuses the world when they see gay marriage condoned in the church.
So many people are scared to say "Homosexuality is wrong" because they are afraid to "offend" people...well God is offended everyday when we don't speak against it. I expect the people in the world to go with this, but the church is what makes me upset when they don't stand against it.
When you hear "Christians" say it's ok, that is what breaks my heart. It's not the President's job or any political organization job nor responsibilty to teach the people about the standards and laws of God, but it's the churches job.
You are so right in this
Here's something to consider: Those in the Church who are indeed speaking the Truth, and boldly without compromise to God's Word are being 'shut down' and blamed as 'haters'.
Look at us here who speak the Truth and nothing but the Truth and in love... YET it gets labeled as 'hatred', anti-human, etc. Ministries and Family organizations, such as NOM, CAAP (Coalition of African American Pastors), Focus on the Family, CBN, ACJLA, Chic Fila, Marriage Works, Maryland Marriage Alliance, Catholic Organizations, Mass Resistance, and so many, MANY more, who have voiced protection for the Family, Children and the true meaning of Marriage (One Man, One Woman), are immediately being bashed, attacked, miscontrued as haters rather than those who tell the truth and are seeking only to bring peace with that Truth.
The devil has made sure to 'twist' and tangle the Truth so much as an attempt to 'silence' the Truth. The Church, those who are real, are indeed speaking up and working with great fevor to speak out and are not backing down.
Kinky4Agirl ... thank you for your Ministry and it's 'No Nonsense'. You're like Deborah and Ruth, dedicated, faithful and loving.
I surely will continue to pray for and with you.
beingofserenity
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Ultimately, God is love. God loves us all, including those who are queer. So, any feeling or expression of hate is not of God. And the fervor that people feel to mobilize and traumatized those who have a preference for the same sex is not of God, either. Nevertheless, everyone is free to believe what they believe. But I just don't get why people get so worked up about gay people being allowed to legally marry, of all the issues to spend your time on, this is it?
Kinky4Agirl
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FrazzledFraggle
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God is love. God hates sin. I can go into all kinds of scripture that backs up God's hostility, disgust, and utter dislike for sin. We are not in a "safe zone" and permitted to do whatever we like just because God loves us. Christians struggle with sin but to give in to sin and then live perpetually in the state of sin without any remorse or conviction by the Holy Spirit is not conducive to being saved.
However, more to your point...I sometimes believe in a cause but do not think that tactics, methods, ways and attitudes of some organizations and churches are Christian. What I mean is that I don’t think strong-arm tactics or belligerence or violence is in any way a method to bring people to know the Lord Jesus Christ.
However, to ask a Christian not to speak out against sin and proclaim Jesus is the opposite of what we are commissioned to do. The bible describes this as the Great Commission - they were instructions by our resurrected Lord to his disciples that they spread his teachings to all the nations of the world. It is now a mainstay of Christian theology- ministry, missionary work, evangelism, and baptism. Basically, if Christians just sat down and shut up like society wants us to do, we would not be doing what our Lord told us to do. (Matthew 28:16-20)
My belief is that God's love and grace has been the reason that this nation has not plummeted even further into chaos and violence and sexual deviancy than it already has. I truly believe God's hand is holding back the full consequences of our sin as a nation. The Lord loves us so much that he tarries in his return...He desires that none should perish, but all should come to repentance. 2 Pet 3:9. That is the real symbol of His love...not that He allows us to do whatever we like to our own detriment.
Regarding whether it is permissible to keep sinning intentionally just because we can:
There are truly Christians who are worried about the souls of others and the future of our nation and that's why they speak out against sin. There are others who are short sighted and seek to condemn and be abusive in the way they handle their beliefs. I do not agree with such tactics.
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FrazzledFraggle
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Kinky4Agirl
I believe that sexual sin committed by adults on a child is a big reason contributor towards sexual deviancy in adulthood. Every "gay" person I've ever known personally has admitted that they have been sexually abused in some way except one.
I used to be adamant that no one could be born this way but I think God is showing me differently now.
I had a discussion with such a person who claims to be a lesbian but she has no recollection of being molested or sexually abused. She could have some oppressed memory I suppose but she says nothing like that has happened to her and she truly believes she was born that way.
Well, at first I scoffed at the notion that a person could be born that way. I said, like you, that God would NEVER create such an abomination. But, actually even if it could be proven that some people were born gay, that would not be contrary to scripture.
Did I lose you yet?
Consider this.
What is homosexuality? It is an abomination in the eyes of God...it is sin.
What does the Bible say about sin's first appearance in our lives?
Consider this?
We are made in the image of God. We are also made in the image of Adam...who has passed his traits and sin on to us from the fall. When Adam fell into sin, the result was every one of his descendants being born with a sinful nature. David lamented this fact in one of his Psalms: “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5).
David inherited sin from his parents, just as we all do. We all struggle with different types of sin. Different circumstances tempt us to sin. Different issues bring out our sinful nature.
Well if this is the case, why is it so difficult to believe that sin-seed - homosexuality - cannot be evident at birth?
Let's break it down a bit:
Notice the progression in Romans 5:12:
1. sin entered the world through Adam
2. death follows sin
3. death comes to all people
4. all people sin because they inherit sin from Adam.
That's the point though...“all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). That's the entire reason we (and they...the homosexuals) need a perfect, sinless sacrifice to wash away our sin, something we are powerless to do on our own.
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MrsHaseeb
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This entire post was expressed beautifully. Thanks was not enough.
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JaneBond007
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There is a CNN contributor the other day who added to this discussion. Basically, marriage is a secular institution these days and is in stark contrast to the religious institution of religious marriage. Pope Francis was brought up into the discussion on whether or not he would promote a change in our catholic viewpoint of such. For us, it's impossible to consider marriage between same-sex because marriage, as a sacrament, has to remain open to natural procreation as an expression of love.
I believe the point about marriage as secular now gives another perspective. And maybe, our society should have been equally concerned with protecting the religious institution of marriage decades ago by not providing court marriages. I do not believe the assault of traditional marriage is anything new. It's been in the runnings for many years now and many attacks are coming to larger fruition. This issue would not have been if we didn't secularize it in the first place.
I believe the point about marriage as secular now gives another perspective. And maybe, our society should have been equally concerned with protecting the religious institution of marriage decades ago by not providing court marriages. I do not believe the assault of traditional marriage is anything new. It's been in the runnings for many years now and many attacks are coming to larger fruition. This issue would not have been if we didn't secularize it in the first place.
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MrsHaseeb
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Kinky4Agirl
I believe that sexual sin committed by adults on a child is a big reason contributor towards sexual deviancy in adulthood. Every "gay" person I've ever known personally has admitted that they have been sexually abused in some way except one.
I used to be adamant that no one could be born this way but I think God is showing me differently now.
I had a discussion with such a person who claims to be a lesbian but she has no recollection of being molested or sexually abused. She could have some oppressed memory I suppose but she says nothing like that has happened to her and she truly believes she was born that way.
Well, at first I scoffed at the notion that a person could be born that way. I said, like you, that God would NEVER create such an abomination. But, actually even if it could be proven that some people were born gay, that would not be contrary to scripture.
Did I lose you yet?
Consider this.
What is homosexuality? It is an abomination in the eyes of God...it is sin.
What does the Bible say about sin's first appearance in our lives?
Consider this?
We are made in the image of God. We are also made in the image of Adam...who has passed his traits and sin on to us from the fall. When Adam fell into sin, the result was every one of his descendants being born with a sinful nature. David lamented this fact in one of his Psalms: “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5).
David inherited sin from his parents, just as we all do. We all struggle with different types of sin. Different circumstances tempt us to sin. Different issues bring out our sinful nature.
Well if this is the case, why is it so difficult to believe that sin-seed - homosexuality - cannot be evident at birth?
Let's break it down a bit:
Notice the progression in Romans 5:12:
1. sin entered the world through Adam
2. death follows sin
3. death comes to all people
4. all people sin because they inherit sin from Adam.
That's the point though...“all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). That's the entire reason we (and they...the homosexuals) need a perfect, sinless sacrifice to wash away our sin, something we are powerless to do on our own.
I used to also believe people could not be born homosexual but the Word says in Ephesians 2 that we are by nature children of wrath. Our very nature is one that is against God until we are born again and have God's seed in us, the Holy Ghost. There can be generational familiar spirits of homosexuality that absolutely can cause a child to be born that way I've come to realize. And some children were exposed to this spirit so young that they never remember it and think they were born that way. Either way, Its futile to even discuss whether someone was born that way since the Lord Jesus Christ said we must be born again.
Most people believe that homosexuals can not be delivered but they can. According to 1 Corinthians 6, there had been homosexual men in the Corinthian church. But they were saved and sanctified by the Lord Jesus. God seems to always speak to me early in the mornings and I find myself praying in my sleep sometimes and one morning recently I woke up praying for what I God revealed to me was a homosexual man. I have no clue who he was. I remember praying for God to regenerate this person, to cause his nature and his chemical and bodily functions and desires to be transformed, washed and made new, the way God intended, by the blood of Jesus. I believe people have simply lost touch with how to pray and get these people delivered. I would have never known to pray such words but that one incident revealed to me just how that spirit deeply embeds itself into every fiber of a person. This spirit is a strong one indeed and is dangerous to society as a whole. It alone will bring utter destruction from the hand of God.
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Belle Du Jour
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beingofserenity, instead of typing a long response, I will let the Word of God speak because His word is final and better than anything I could ever come up with:
There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. (Prov 14:12)
IF you love Me, you will keep My commandments. (John 14:15)
And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them MALE AND FEMALE..." (Matt 19:4)
Now, you have read snippets of what God has to say about marriage, keeping His commandments and the foolishness of man and his thoughts. What is your counter-argument?
Belle Du Jour
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Saving souls is not a game.
I woke up to that reality that people are dying and "falling into hell like snowflakes" as one saint said after seeing a vision. The devil is on fire (no pun intended) in this age because not only is he convincing people to live for today, he is convincing them that since "God loves them" He will just turn a blind eye to their shenanigans. People are deceiving themselves.
Galadriel
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The purpose of life is to love God and to enjoy a happy eternity with Him in Heaven. God is love, yes, but God is also holy and just.
Sin separates us from God, and homosexual acts are sinful, and to raise sodomy to the level of marriage is nothing less than profane. This is not hate. It is truth.
You ask why people are getting worked up about gay marriage, but it is *they* who are worked up and trying to convince the rest of the world that their relationships are just like a marriage between a man and woman. They are trying to introduce this into schools with our children, into legislation (which affects us all), and they sue or harass people who believe in marriage.
MrsHaseeb
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Yes and Amen to all of this.
Belle Du Jour
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After reading a conversation on FB, I want to shout that just because a person believes in traditional marriage does not make them a bigot and speaking out against a homosexual lifestyle is not "hate speech." I'm seeing that foolishness a lot but I'm not getting into e-fights today
MrsHaseeb
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After reading a conversation on FB, I want to shout that just because a person believes in traditional marriage does not make them a bigot and speaking out against a homosexual lifestyle is not "hate speech." I'm seeing that foolishness a lot but I'm not getting into e-fights today
That's how they plan to make the Christians shut up about the sin of sodomy, by calling it a hate speech. We're going to start hearing that term more and more...
Belle Du Jour
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Yes! I've noticed it more and more. "Hate speech."
To me, hate speech is using the F word or saying "kill the gays!" Obviously, no true Christian believes those things. And I think gay people know that, they just choose to ignore the difference. Well, on Tuesday, I will be posting something about the March for Marriage. I'm sure it will sever some friendships but I've been preparing for that for a while now.
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Brwnbeauti
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If the homosexual people aren't Chrisitan, do y'all still have a problem with them marrying? Is it just the Christian marriage of homosexuals that y'all don't agree with? I know marriage isn't exclusively a Christian thing. I'm just curious. These have been very interesting post. Shimmie that story was beautiful. Do you think it would be more helpful if all Christians adopted this approach?
My understanding of the Bible is that homosexuality is a sin, but there are also a lot of other sins that people commit daily that have more profound effects on civilization as a whole IMO. It bothers me that no one will speak on these things but no one hesitates on the gay discussion. I am not speaking of y'all because I don't know y'all well enough to say this about y'all. Do y'all think it is because being gay is the only sin these people aren't committing?
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My understanding of the Bible is that homosexuality is a sin, but there are also a lot of other sins that people commit daily that have more profound effects on civilization as a whole IMO. It bothers me that no one will speak on these things but no one hesitates on the gay discussion. I am not speaking of y'all because I don't know y'all well enough to say this about y'all. Do y'all think it is because being gay is the only sin these people aren't committing?
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Hi CafedeBelleza...I'll try and answer your questions:
The 'other' sins you speak of are not being legalized as non-sins, however, gay marriage is. No one is seeking the Supreme Court to defend/legalize, adultery, lying, stealing, murder, corruption, tax evasion and so on down the list of 'other' sins. That's a huge difference.
gay marriage is non-repentance of sin and the gay agenda and supporting politicians are saying, let the sin continue.
There are no healthy nor productive advantages for society and communities with gay marriage.
Example:
Look at the Black community. What is the biggest missing element among Black communities?
The lack of family structure. Outstanding numbers of children being conceived outside of marriage and children growing up without the benefit and safety of living in a home with his/her mother and father, married as one.
Unstructured families have only increased in out of wedlock children being born to mothers who have children with other fathers to their other children. in other words, an epidemic of Baby mama/Baby daddy scatters and no structure.
More crime, more incarcerations, more drug abuse, more school dropouts, more sexually transmitted diseases and the cases are involving school age children at younger and youger ages.
gay marriage will only widen the gay 'standard' and development in an already weaken community where children will grow up seeing less of a structured home between married parents, their mother and father.
gay marriage will only weaken the sexual stabiity and true meaning of sex among society and developing the minds of innocent children into confusion of gender roles and responsibilities.
the gay agenda is out to 'silence' the truth of God's Word, which is clear that homosexuality is wrong and can never be righted. Not ever.
gay marriage is an open portal for an epidemic to child molestation. It will give child molesters leverage to convince an innocent child that fondling and having sex with them is okay.
gay marriage is an open portal for an epidemic of increases in HIV/AIDS between men having sex with men, as young boys reaching puberty who become sexually curious, will feel free to experiment with gay sex to relieve their sexual tension. Already the CDC (Center for Disease Control) has reports of massive increases of HIV/AIDS among young men in epid proportions who are involved with homosexual experimentation; much of which is passed onto young females in epic proportions.
gay marriage demeans the true meaning of family and marriage which is ordained as One Man, One Woman and it disregards the harm and consequences to the younger generations.
Already, gay activists are in schools teaching young (5 year olds) that homosexuality is okay to be that way and have these young children questioning their parents if they are gay.
gay activists have taken the rights of parents away who chose not to have their children taught this. These parents are not allowed to be pre-advised nor or they allowed to opt their children from these teachings.
It's actually communism where a gay activist 'plant' is placed strategically in every area of society force planting their agenda into the lives of those who are innocent and have no defense from their strategy.
However, I have a Word of Prophesy... a sure word.
Job 5: They will not be able to perform their enterprise.
Their strategy will not prevail over the power of God and those who honour Him.
Galadriel
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Marriage is an institution that is inherently heterosexual. It unites a man and woman so that they may procreate and build a family--Father, Mother, Child. The family is the basic unit of society. Not only does it serve an important role on the social level, but it is also properly ordered to the Natural Law and of God's plan and will.
I don't think the sinfulness and disorder that accompanies sodomy (and the attempt to make it legal marriage) is lessened because one may feel that "It's not as bad as X or Y." Wrong is still wrong.
There are many moral issues that Christianity teaches and speaks on, but we especially oppose moral wrongs which undermine the foundations of society (the family), and those wrongs which are being enshrined into law and pushed upon our society and children as "good."
Adultery is morally wrong, but the last time I checked, people weren't trying to get people who believe adultery is wrong listed as a "hate group" with the government, suing them for "discrimination", or trying to teach our kids about the historical contribution of adulterers in textbooks.
Brwnbeauti
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I'll try and answer your questions:
The 'other' sins you speak of are not being legalized as non-sins, however, gay marriage is. No one is seeking the Supreme Court to defend/legalize, adultery, lying, stealing, murder, corruption, tax evasion and so on down the list of 'other' sins. That's a huge difference.
gay marriage is non-repentance of sin and the gay agenda and supporting politicians are saying, let the sin continue.
There are no healthy nor productive advantages for society and communities with gay marriage.
Example:
Look at the Black community. What is the biggest missing element among Black communities?
The lack of family structure. Outstanding numbers of children being conceived outside of marriage and children growing up without the benefit and safety of living in a home with his/her mother and father, married as one.
Unstructured families have only increased in out of wedlock children being born to mothers who have children with other fathers to their other children. in other words, an epidemic of Baby mama/Baby daddy scatters and no structure.
More crime, more incarcerations, more drug abuse, more school dropouts, more sexually transmitted diseases and the cases are involving school age children at younger and youger ages.
gay marriage will only widen the gay 'standard' and development in an already weaken community where children will grow up seeing less of a structured home between married parents, their mother and father.
gay marriage will only weaken the sexual stabiity and true meaning of sex among society and developing the minds of innocent children into confusion of gender roles and responsibilities.
the gay agenda is out to 'silence' the truth of God's Word, which is clear that homosexuality is wrong and can never be righted. Not ever.
gay marriage is an open portal for an epidemic to child molestation. It will give child molesters leverage to convince an innocent child that fondling and having sex with them is okay.
gay marriage is an open portal for an epidemic of increases in HIV/AIDS between men having sex with men, as young boys reaching puberty who become sexually curious, will feel free to experiment with gay sex to relieve their sexual tension. Already the CDC (Center for Disease Control) has reports of massive increases of HIV/AIDS among young men in epid proportions who are involved with homosexual experimentation; much of which is passed onto young females in epic proportions.
gay marriage demeans the true meaning of family and marriage which is ordained as One Man, One Woman and it disregards the harm and consequences to the younger generations.
Already, gay activists are in schools teaching young (5 year olds) that homosexuality is okay to be that way and have these young children questioning their parents if they are gay.
gay activists have taken the rights of parents away who chose not to have their children taught this. These parents are not allowed to be pre-advised nor or they allowed to opt their children from these teachings.
It's actually communism where a gay activist 'plant' is placed strategically in every area of society force planting their agenda into the lives of those who are innocent and have no defense from their strategy.
However, I have a Word of Prophesy... a sure word.
Job 5: They will not be able to perform their enterprise.
Their strategy will not prevail over the power of God and those who honour Him.
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Belle Du Jour
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1.4 million people marched in Paris FR yesterday protesting the legalization of SSM: http://www.nomblog.com/34076/
Belle Du Jour
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We need some serious prayer tomorrow for the March for Marriage, which coincides with oral arguments before SCOTUS for Prop 8 and DOMA to be struck down. Remember, prayer changes things.
Iwanthealthyhair67
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1.4 million people marched in Paris FR yesterday protesting the legalization of SSM: http://www.nomblog.com/34076/
Vive La France Long Live France...
Praise God for them, taking a royal stand for Pure Marriage.
JaneBond007
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CNN...don't know the names of the contributors...Shroeder and another. Well, a bigot is another thing and goes beyond just believing in traditional marriage. And I WISH they would not bring up African Americans in this. It it not the same thing. Bandwagon jumping...create your own very platform, thank you very much! If you can stand, then stand. But don't jump on the boat that is already full. Have your civil unions...but stop with all this talk about equating this with women and minorities. Nothing burns my tuchis more! It's not the same.
Belle Du Jour
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I'll be back later but SCOTUS reportedly does not think this is a constitutional issue and that the states should decide. At least that's what i heard. Praying they realize they cannot redefine marriage!!!
Belle Du Jour
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The media is so biased! They would have you think no one showed up to support traditional marriage. I beg to differ 
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