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So my new stylist says...

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jyonce

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Why are you transistioning? And I say, "well, I've been wearing my hair curly for the past four months, and I'd just like to have healthier hair, so I don't want to use a chemical." I say, "I'll just use a ceramic iron when I want straight hair." I thought she would die! /images/graemlins/rofl.gif She was like, "first of all, you can have healthy hair and still use a chemical in your hair." She said "a lot of these websites are making people believe it is the chemical that's causing the damage, but it's what you are doing to your hair that causes damage." She said, "if you want to transistion, fine. But don't do it because you think having a chemical will damage your hair." She also said, that I will probably end up using a chemical down the line anyways because my hair will be very very tight, and will be very difficult to manage. She also said that if I want to use a ceramic iron, this should be done once in a blue moon, and she said "and I mean, once in a blue moon." She said that your hair begins to melt at 150 degrees, and as I already know, most ceramic irons can go up to 450 degrees! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif I questioned her about so many things, and I also told her that LHCF is a fabulous website! But she is an excellent stylist with great hair, and over 25 years of experience. I have decided to try a texturizer so that I will be able to have the best of both worlds. A few other things she mentioned were that mostly all oils are good, except for mineral oil, wetting the hair everyday will continue to dry it out more, you should wait until your hair is 80 percent dry before putting products in it, or else you will end up using way more of the product then you need, because the hair will not properly absorb it, and that you should trim your hair every couple of months in order to help control breakage.

So, what's your opinion?
 
I agree with some of the things your stylist said however don't allow anyone to deter you from going natural,its your choice. Forum's like LHCF are here to offer advice and support for every kind of hair, just because you wish care for your hair in its natural state, it doesn't mean you'll end up with unmanageable, untameable hair. Good luck with your decisions.
 
She said that your hair begins to melt at 150 degrees, and as I already know, most ceramic irons can go up to 450 degrees! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif MELT! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
There are some people on the boards with beautiful natural hair and they seem to be able to "tame" or "manage" it. Which I think is hilarious that someone would refer our natural hair as if taming a wild best.

Im relaxed, but hey if you want to go natural. DO IT BBABBY (Austin Powers) I eventually probably am going to go natural in abut 10 yrs or whenever im married and having a baby.

I do believe you can have healthy hair with a relaxer and without a relaxer. But just because you don't have a relaxer doesn't guarantee healthy hair. Because i've seen some naturals with dried and split ends up the ya whooo just like ive seen some relaxed heads with over processd thin split ends for days type of hair too.

The relaxer does do some damage by breaking protein bonds. So one would say their hair is healthy by measuring it agains a ruler for relaxed heads. And a natural person would say their hair is healthy by measuring it against a ruler for natural heads. I don't believe you can measure the two on the same ruler.

-Faye
 
Sounds like your stylist might be a little upset that you won't be shelling out a lot of money to her for relaxers anymore. /images/graemlins/angeldevil.gif I agree...don't let your stylist...or anyone else talk you out of going natural if it's something that you really want to do. /images/graemlins/up.gif
 
I agree with most of what she said, but I dont think she should have told you that your hair would be difficult to manage after you transition completely. Thats another excuse for you to keep coming to her $$$$$$$. If you want to go natural do you, dont let her be the one to tell you how your hair will behave after the fact. Thats all Ill say on that note.
 
Thank you so much everyone! I know that you're right...it should be what I want to do. It's like, my hair does look kinda crazy (I'll have to post pics in the near future)...but I like it like that! And I get so many compliments on my hair too..like people will say "I don't know anyone with hair like that!" She told me that I will end up using a chemical at some point unless I want to wear my hair in an afro. I don't necessarily think that's true, and even if it was-is that such a bad thing? It's like I could tell that she knew a lot-but at the same time-it was like she was saying "why would you want the hair that God made you with?"

Feel me?
 
thats the complete opposite of my hairstylist.. when i went to her with 5 1/2 months of new growth she asked me if i wanted to go natural, she's all for it.. considering that she chopped off her near-brastrap length hair to get baby dreads!
 
I think your stylist just meant that it's totally possible to have well maintained hair even though you use chemicals. We all know from this board that it's true. Also, some people are natural and use heat regularly and have healthy hair. Of course all hair would benefit from no heat and no chemicals, but that isn't always possible if we are striving for a certain kind of look.
I think that with a good regimen your hair can be healthy either way. And maybe she didn't want to lose you as a customer /images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Why not have a consultation with a natural hair stylist and get there opinion on the managability of your hair ...I guarantee that you will be having an entirely different conversation!!...even at the most kinkiess hair texture that walks into my shop...I never ever suggest a texturizer....that is an personal choice(and I don't do them)I love working with our hair in it's natural state and you should seek out someone who loves natural hair as well...
 
"first of all, you can have healthy hair and still use a chemical in your hair." She said "a lot of these websites are making people believe it is the chemical that's causing the damage, but it's what you are doing to your hair that causes damage." She said, "if you want to transistion, fine. But don't do it because you think having a chemical will damage your hair."

She should have stopped right there. That was dead-on. The rest is foolishness which I interpret as her thinking about her electric bill rather than your wants and needs for YOUR hair.
 
Does hair really melt at 150 degrees? I would ask for some proof on that.

I don't think any hairdresser should try and sway their client on not becoming natural. I think stylists should only object when people want to do something that is totally going to adversely affect their hair's health. Like bleaching blonde and relaxing the same day.
 
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"first of all, you can have healthy hair and still use a chemical in your hair." She said "a lot of these websites are making people believe it is the chemical that's causing the damage, but it's what you are doing to your hair that causes damage." She said, "if you want to transistion, fine. But don't do it because you think having a chemical will damage your hair."

She should have stopped right there. That was dead-on. The rest is foolishness which I interpret as her thinking about her electric bill rather than your wants and needs for YOUR hair.

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Ditto!
 
I doubt that hair melts at 150 degrees. A Jilbere Flat iron reaches 446 Degrees Fahrenheit (230 Degrees Celsius). It features 25 settings and I usually set mine between 21-23.
 
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I agree with most of what she said, but I dont think she should have told you that your hair would be difficult to manage after you transition completely. Thats another excuse for you to keep coming to her $$$$$$$. If you want to go natural do you, dont let her be the one to tell you how your hair will behave after the fact. Thats all Ill say on that note.

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I agree with 99% of what she said. I mean, let's be honest...it is hard to manage transitioning hair...alot of our posts are dedicated to managing it. Now, that does not mean that it can't be done, but it is hard to manage.

I also agree that you can have healthy hair even w/ chemicals; we have alot of members on this board with it. And I agree with her saying that it's mostly what ppl do to their hair w/ the chemicals that cause the breakage. We all know that chemically processed hair is alot more fragile than natural hair and it must be handled a certain way.

However, even with all that said...still go natural if you want. Going natural has helped me understand my hair more and how to care for it.

(sorry if this post sounded jumbled...I'm at work /images/graemlins/look.gif)
 
She made a couple of good points, but I completely disagree with the comments she made about wetting your hair everyday and putting products on when your hair is 80% dry based on my personal experience.
 
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She told me that I will end up using a chemical at some point unless I want to wear my hair in an afro. I don't necessarily think that's true, and even if it was-is that such a bad thing? It's like I could tell that she knew a lot-but at the same time-it was like she was saying "why would you want the hair that God made you with?"

Feel me?

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I honestly think she was just being objective here. On this board alone there have been several threads of someone choosing to transition only to decide to relax again or someone who had been natural for some time deciding to wear their hair relaxed.
 
I actually think that your stylist is right cos a lot of people do go natural only to resort back to chemicals. Ive done it before.
HOWEVER, do whatever you want to. It is definitely nice to go without chemicals and see what your natural texture is.

good luck with your decision /images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Yeah, I didn't think that wetting the hair everyday would cause it to dry out. I mean, I did a long time ago...but after reading Cathy Howse's book about hair and being on this website-I thought that wetting the hair was good because water is moisture. I don't know...I guess I'm still in the learning phase, which makes it easy for me to be swayed. I just feel like my hair has started to grow more since I stopped relaxing...I don't have any of those bald issues on the sides of my head anymore...I feel like that's telling me something. I am in the Boston, MA area-anyone know of any stylists that deal with natural hair?
Thanks so much to all of you...I was so relieved after leaving the salon that day because I knew that I could come home and talk about all this!
 
Some of what your stylist says makes sense especially about going natural just because you want healthy hair. Natural hair isn't without it's own set of hair worries - just read some posts at natural hair websites. If you want to go natural that great, but don't forget that your hair will still need TLC (not the group haha). /images/graemlins/wave.gif
 
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If you want to go natural that great, but don't forget that your hair will still need TLC (not the group haha). /images/graemlins/wave.gif

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If hair melted at 150 degrees, then I would be bald. When I flat iron my hair, it's always at 450 degrees. That's bull!!
 
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I don't know...I guess I'm still in the learning phase, which makes it easy for me to be swayed. I just feel like my hair has started to grow more since I stopped relaxing...I don't have any of those bald issues on the sides of my head anymore...I feel like that's telling me something.

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My take---sure you might relax again in the future, but you might stay natural also. Unless your hair dresser has a crystal ball, she doesn't know what you're going to do. Relaxing is a choice; just like staying natural is a choice. And it's your choice to make. Please don't decide what you're going to do by that one consultation because a lot of times hair dressers have less than honest motives.
Lastly, you know what's best for you hair. You said yourself that your hair seems to be thriving right now. You know your hair better than anyone else, so keep doing what's working.

BTW, I've gone the texturizing route---IMO, it's not all that it's cracked up to be. Right now, I'm transitioning also, and I tend to stay away from hair dressers because 95% of them wouldn't be satisfied, unless I had bone straight hair that was void of curls, waves, and thickness.

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ITA!
i made my choice to go natural 1) because i have ALWAYS loved natural hair. 2) i was sick and tired of conforming to how others felt i should wear my hair.

i caught a lot of SMACK from people telling me how i should "keep" my hair..and asking me if i will relax again? my answer is that i dont plan to. if it happens..it is because I wanted it to happen and no one else.

at this point..my hair is healthiest..has never been this long without breaking (even when i was permed) that weak spot..gone...i am happy and i feel that everyone should be happy with their hair..no matter how they choose to wear it.
 
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If hair melted at 150 degrees, then I would be bald. When I flat iron my hair, it's always at 450 degrees. That's bull!!

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Realistically speaking, it IS possible for perms to cause damage. My mother kept her hair permed for most of her life, and she always went to salons to get it done. Even then, she ended up going almost bald -- and her dermatologist said it was due to the chemicals. She just has a sensitive scalp.

And me, my hair was never as long when it was permed -- even by professionals -- as it was when I was a kid. My hair just doesn't like the stuff, and I feel a little silly now for having taken to long to get the hint.

It's up to you, but personally, I'd rather shave my head than go back to perming. It was just too much hassle for me, and maintaining my natural hair is much easier. (Heh. I even had my first straight hair nightmare last night. In it, I had found myself with super-straight Asian-looking hair that would've looked just fine on an Asian, but I was in an out-and-out panic trying to recover my curls! /images/graemlins/rofl.gif Those curls are a part of my identity now. I guess the dream was about my fear of losing my individuality.)

And as for the rest of what the stylist said... well... that sounds a bit suspect to me, too. Like others have suggested, I think she just wants to keep getting your money.

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Hair does not melt. It burns and becomes brittle to the point that you can crumble it in your fingers. Which is why burnt hair will break off bits at a time. Melt? I've never heard that one before...
 
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