Sensitive Nature: So I had a talk with someone concerning my previous situation...

[auparavant]

And I'm not bi. I think that when things happen when you're a certain age, and this was young, you might have feared it might have been true. Certainly, you could be aroused to a certain thing occasionally if you do not guard yourself considering that you might have been manipulated by another, even another child...but that doesn't make you that orientation. Psychologically, my mind is 1/2 male, `1/2 female. I process things in the middle, I guess, balanced. Is that bi? I dunno and I thought it might have been. I think it's just in the middle.

Do I desire women? No. Have I ever been aroused? Yes. Do I act upon such? No, not at all. So, for all you out there who have wondered as I have and even classified myself as something that I'm truly not, here goes:


My old post:

I've been trying to find a way to say and ask around this situation without causing controversy, but are we more afraid of their homosexuality than the crimes and/or abusive manipulation he committed? It seems to me we fear homosexuality rather than wish to address the destructive behaviors (and in that, we can include masturbation and heterosexual promiscuity).

Granted, biblically (and not just christianity) and historically in the middle-east, it's simply an abomination. But the act of unmarried sex that is homosexual is the abomination, not the make-up of the person. I truly do not believe there is per se a demon, I think there is some kind of disordered desire for it to exist in the first place because we know that sex in marriage is for procreation and is a sacred act and that biology is a certain way from creation. Maybe G-d throws curveballs?

However, and I expect to get a few raised eye-brows, there are those of us with same-sex orientation and do not act out on it ...at least, not now. I am one of them and I'm a christian with a Jewish affiliation of sorts. I'm two-spirited, not gay, but bi. I accept it. Of course, I wish to be married but I do know that I have this tendency and I've fulfilled it in the past. For a relationship, I prefer men. How is it a sin to BE of such an orientation/chemical/mental/etc. when you do not ACT upon it? I wouldn't say I have any demonic spirit residing inside of me. Perhaps there are those who disagree...but I know myself and my relationship with G-d.

And maybe these scandals are a way for the religious communities to face two situations, one of scandal and abuse and one of our attitudes towards those who, by no fault of their own, have an homosl or bi-sexual orientation. Dunno.

The buffalo dung must be hitting the fan right about now... Have I told my children? No and probably will not since it's not a lifestyle I wish to live...but I lean that way in desires sometimes. I won't be ashamed I'm this way, but I would be ashamed if I were immoral in any kind of way.

And I have had desires, but there is a big difference between actually being gay. How much that manipulation at 12 or 11 affected me? Probably quite a bit, at least in fer. Do I hate LGBT? Absolutely not. I feel for the community because...they are people and I chose to identify with that affected community because of extreme prejudice and still will support their rights as humans. But if you have been (is it molestation if by another child?) so affected, it might not be true that you are gay/bi...etc. It could be that it was the result of an event and that all this time, you thought of yourself in a certain way whenever you presented those feelings. This post is already long...I'm going to send in an article for the next one.

 

[auparavant]

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http://www.webfieldtrips.com/PSY210doc/WhosGay.pdf

It's not a christian article...it's a medical/psychology article and one of the features of it is how they classify sexual orientation. For example, what is the (keyword) "behavior" of the person during the past year or after puberty? That is the key. Again, I'm not saying that previous youth experience cannot and does not have its effects on the psyche at intermittent times in adulthood...I'm a firm believer that it can. And I still believe that being gay (the orientation) is not the sin, that it's the act of past a certain age of accountability.


Either way, we are all Christ's children. He is not disgusted with homosexuality in the way that WE are disgusted by it. He sees deeply inside and understands it. As all sin, He's probably disgusted that we choose something that doesn't lead to life by its actions. And as always, there is the psychological essence of a person. Christ never casts that away. Healing of man involves many aspects and most christians do not consider it, although things are changing into a more positive direction in modernity. We are beginning to see the whole man as we apply the gospel of Christ.

In short, I've struggled a little bit with this subject and took it upon myself to just consider this might be/was my orientation and in the end, it's not. Shrugs. Yes, this is of a sensitive nature. Should I tell my kids about the incidence of "doctor" as well as the person's older sister (well-beyond puberty who basically molested me)? Eh, I don't think so. G-d forbid my children are molested...ever...but I don't think it's truly an issue now. I do give them guidelines for when they are with others and/or in their homes to prevent abuse (any pediatrician will reiterate this with every well-ness check).

So there...here it is, raw, complete...true. Will I turn my back on gays? Nope. I have come to understand something very deep inside of them that few others know or attempt to know about being outcasted. And since my initial response was in that Eddie Long thread, I just wonder what it was that Eddie Long himself might have experienced. Was he a perpetrator as a youth? I even wonder about the person who experienced and lead me to that incidence...what are they now? I don't know. But I've come full-circle.

Do I think that my mindset/psychology (just some basic tests) is actually indicating bi? I don't know as I'm in the middle. Maybe true bi-sexuals lean more towards the male side? I'd welcome anybody knowledgeble in psychology who can give a religious spin on it to comment. Someone in Off Topic once sent in an article talking about same-sex experiences and how they don't indicate homosexuality except after a certain age. I need to find that article again.

But I've been open enough to look deeply inside myself and possibly accept what could have been. No shame here. It's just not the case. And part of that is that I didn't comprehend that timing of an incidence is of the essence. Well, I'd say that if you saw something that was meant to cause arousal and it did...well, avoid that (foreign film.... guard your eyes/heart). But do I act upon it? No, I don't and didn't. And I'm glad I looked into it and talked about it. If it were true, I'd still expect the body of Christ to lend understanding and love, rather than fear and rejection. But can I say that people do that? No, I can't - not for the mostpart. And that is sad.

 

[auparavant]

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164 views...lolol!!!

 

[JeterCrazed]

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[Shimmie]

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Speaking with a heart of compassion, I'm sorry for what you experienced as a child. No child should be exposed to any type of sexual encounters whether it's by another child, let alone an adult.

 

[auparavant]

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I'm going to have to call you on your blatant rudeness here. It's unwarranted and inexcused. This posting is based upon something we had a discussion about over a year ago. I have lost all respect for you. You are giggling about something someone has previously been distressed about and some of it involved child abuse? I finally came to terms with that particular aspect about it. You're laughing? I was quite open about it on this list long before you came on the scene and demonstrated my compassion for the LGBT community as it's LOVED in my church and that it should be shown love and compassion in all churches. You truly suck as a person.

 

[JeterCrazed]

164 views...lolol!!!

I'm going to have to call you on your blatant rudeness here. It's unwarranted and inexcused. This posting is based upon something we had a discussion about over a year ago. I have lost all respect for you. You are giggling about something someone has previously been distressed about and some of it involved child abuse? I finally came to terms with that particular aspect about it. You're laughing? I was quite open about it on this list long before you came on the scene and demonstrated my compassion for the LGBT community as it's LOVED in my church and that it should be shown love and compassion in all churches. You truly suck as a person.

Thank you VERY MUCH Your assumptions have proved a very valid point.

That was easy.

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[auparavant]

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Thank you VERY MUCH Your assumptions have proved a very valid point.

That was easy.

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Valid in that you suck? Why are you giggling and carrying on? I don't want your false kisses, they remind me of Judas. No thanks. If you meant something else, then learn HOW your post appears to others and adjust it accordingly..but since I have witnessed how you post with much snark across this board, double "no thanks." If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. And if you are attempting to smirk at the christian community here, then triple "no thanks." We have had many transparent convos on here looking deeply into this particular issue and scripture. We're no fools, ma'am. Ignore...

 

[JeterCrazed]

Valid in that you suck? Why are you giggling and carrying on? I don't want your false kisses, they remind me of Judas. No thanks. If you meant something else, then learn HOW your post appears to others and adjust it accordingly..but since I have witnessed how you post with much snark across this board, double "no thanks." If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. And if you are attempting to smirk at the christian community here, then triple "no thanks." We have had many transparent convos on here looking deeply into this particular issue and scripture. We're no fools, ma'am. Ignore...

Oh, please!!! Don't forget a previous convo we've had. I'll let you thumb through your logs. Invoking mob psychology when it's convenient is so unbecoming. Talk about losing respect.

If you really wanted to know, you would've asked, so I feel just dandy letting that marinate with you.

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[Laela]

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auparavant, our confidence in Christ keeps us open and honest ... it's the only way to healing. We all have our own crosses and weaknesses and I had some childhood experiences myself. I truly believe that when God removes hurt and pain that comes from childhood experiences (esp sexual exploitation), they are gone..residue and all .. because He has the power to remove the guilt and shame that came through someone else's sins. And, certainly, if HE remembers no more, neither should we. I know you're just sharing, but I do have more of an understanding of where you're coming from. God bless~

 

[auparavant]

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@auparavant, our confidence in Christ keeps us open and honest ... it's the only way to healing. We all have our own crosses and weaknesses and I had some childhood experiences myself. I truly believe that when God removes hurt and pain that comes from childhood experiences (esp sexual exploitation), they are gone..residue and all .. because He has the power to remove the guilt and shame that came through someone else's sins. And, certainly, if HE remembers no more, neither should we. I know you're just sharing, but I do have more of an understanding of where you're coming from. God bless~

I think that looking at such things is not remembering any supposed guilt nor shame, but is a tool used in knowing where you stand in your life. It is good to look at all aspects of life. What G-d asks us to do is to forgive others. We have memory because He put it there but the difference is in how you nurse the memories.

I'm sharing for those who might have had the same experiences and might have not known how to classify them. And it gives me more understanding of the LBGT community, not that I think they have all been manipulated, but for those who are truly born of it, I still choose to stand beside them, loving them as my church commands me to do continually. We can all stand to learn to knock down the walls, as my cousin says of many situations lol. Love that phrase. There's so much an element of "oooh, those kinds of people..." even in the church...without us realizing...there is no fence between us.

And I apologize for responding to the negative post. I should not have allowed it to bother me.

 

[Galadriel]

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auparavant, I'm very sorry to hear of your experience, and such experiences can have far-reaching effects on people (esp. kids). I imagine that healing is definitely a long process, and hopefully you have close friends/family as a support system who can be there to listen to you and let you unburden yourself (when you feel you need to).

 

[divya]

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Just wanted to let you know that I read your posts and plan to respond in a little while.

 

[SummerSolstice]

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auparavant don't feed the troll my love.

and thanks for your honesty

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

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I'm holding my place ...to share a similar experience and my thoughts on it ...

 

[Shimmie]

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auparavant....

I came across my original response to you in the thread when you shared your heart two years ago. I hope it's okay to re-post my response to you from that thread. It's here and 'unedited'.

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showpost.php?p=12056552&postcount=34

Amazing Grace...

This is what God has for all of us, no matter who we are, what we think, what we do... Amazing Grace is what God has chosen to extend towards all.

What I can say about homosexuality, you can and most definitely have or will read in my other posts and threads; I've never been quiet about this subject.

What's more important is the importance of you and what God has for you as His beloved child. And 'Beloved' you are of Him... Truly Beloved.

All He ever wants of you is to come and remain closer to Him. He's not moving away. He wants to embrace you and to comfort you and to show you just how important your life and your heart and your desires in life are to Him; and to have your desires to be 'God' Fulfilled and not self or world fulfilled.

As humans we are all 'swayed' into divers temptations of divers proportions and ideals. Yet, God in His love for us, has given us His promise which is sure, that He will lead us not into temptation and He will deliver us from all evil. All we have to do is but ask and seek to remain close to Him.

Volver, you are not exempt from God's deliverance, neither are you a curve-ball, you are not a mis-direction of life. God has kept you for His great pleasure and to give you the very best of who He is and what He wants in you as His child... His best.

When you say you have 'thoughts', God has answers for this... of loving encouragement, void of condemnation.

Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. (Jude 1:21)

God is not going to turn you away, because of your thoughts; He wants you to instead grow closer to Him, for in this closeness, you will be filled with His thoughts and embraced with so much of His love that all else will leave which does not belong.

Do you have a devil in you? No Loved one... No.

What does exist is a spirit in this earth realm that seeks upon those that can be influenced by the 'thoughts' in opposition to God's order. A thought that catches one's attention which validates a 'void' being filled where God should be instead.

Example: A person without a job whose needs are desperate to feed his family, pay the rent/mortgage, a doctor bill, etc. His faith is being challenged and he is overcome by the situation. The enemy will come with not only the 'influence' but the thought to commit a crime (robbery, extortion, embezzlement). Now we know these thoughts are not from God, yet the pressure is so great that this person yields to the spirit of influence and ends up in sin.

A husband or wife may feel justified to cheat because they are not getting satisfaction from 'home'.

A woman who has been abused / emotionally hurt by men will lean towards the love of another woman.

A man who has never known the love and the acceptance of a father / positive male role model will seek love and approval from another man...or a young boy will mistake being sexually exploited by a man as natural behaviour.

However, when it comes to 'same sex' attractions, it is never from God and it never will be. But why does it occur? What is the enemy using to make it seem right or normal to the person who yields to it?

Who hurt you? Who made you feel that a man is not enough? Who made you feel that what you are searching for to feel complete or even safe, that a woman has what a man cannot give you? And truly men (for a woman) or a woman (for a man) are never enough for our lives, and only because it is meant for God to fill in those voids, not going to someone of the same sex.

As a woman and as a child of God, you were created and so carefully designed in love and by love, and created to be loved wholely and completely, and somehow 'life' has cheated you; so it's only natural for you to seek or desire it when it's not fulfilled.

Angel, look what God says to prove He understands unfilled desires:

Hope deferred maketh the HEART SICK: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life. ---- Proverbs 13:12

God understands... He made you to have desires and to also have them fulfilled. Now satan is fully aware of this and this is when he deceives humanity and brings in his counterfeits. But it is only by God's grace that we discern which is of God and which is not. And God gives us a warning:

The desire accomplished is sweet to the soul: but it is abomination to fools to depart from evil. ---- Proverbs 13:19

So what is God saying here. He is speaking of 'fulfullment' outside of Him; People who find / seek fulfillment outside of Him, find it sweet to satisfy their desires, and they reject / despise departing from evil or resisting temptation.

I'm not saying this is you, no, not at all. I'm trying to give some understanding to how satan uses the mind to lead people astray, whether it's sex, money, or whatever. satan uses a void in a person's life and exploits it and leads people astray to fulfill a desire that is outside of God's will for us. That's the point I'm trying to convey. Okay....?

There's so much to this, God is such an awesome teacher, but I'm going to wrap it up with this:

No matter what you may read from my posts when I speaking of homosexuality, please know that it is against the 'Spirit' of Deception of this issue which is real and is out there. It's presence is more than evident. Beyond evident. And part of God's call upon my life is to pray against it as well as other entities in this earth, for it has really taken far too much ground and God is not having it.

Please know that I respect you and see you no less of a beautiful and a perfectly loving and loved woman and child of our most High God, our Lord Jesus Christ and I will fight for you in prayer for satan can no longer have his negative influence over you.

My only regret is that I am not sharing this in person, for then you would be able to see and to know that I am speaking from a heart of love and not condemnation towards you nor any other. I mean this with all of my heart.

As God leads, I am going to speak out against this and the gay agenda, for they have truly taken a lot just a little too far; yet please know it will NEVER be against you nor anyone personally. If nothing else, I am fighting even harder for you, for your souls are worth it. Your lives are worth it. You are loved just that much and more than words can ever express.... The 'Cross' upon which Jesus bled and died for you, says it all.

I live for God and I have no shame or fear in doing so. Homophobic? Please! Who is man that I should fear him?

Precious Volver... You are LOVED! Embrace it and nothing less. Nothing less for God is waiting to show and give you His very best.

For you precious one...

With love ...

Shimmie....

I hope we're friends... even more 'sisters' in Jesus.

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

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I guess if you were to take a pole I'd dare say at least 50% of the women on this board have been molested..

I was by a female family friend (I had been sexually abused at least twice before by two different people)...over the years I've had desires for the same sex but I have never acted on them, I always knew that they were wrong and felt ashamed for having them, actually this is the first time that I am admitting to anyone other than God what my feelings were towards the same sex.

I have always known that my sexual preference was (and is) for a man and that my desires were not natural and I later realized those desires were there because they were ‘planted’ by my molestation and were 'fueled' in my teenage and adult years by my reading, watching pornography and indulging in self pleasure (masturbation).

In my opinion, molestation leaves behind something...it is a disturbance to the very soul of a person, it causes gender confusion, can cause doubt and fear, can cause you to act out, be premiscuous, have self esteem issues, equate love to sex and the list is endless...

It is a sin of the flesh, it is lust bound up in the hearts of (man/woman) that given the opportunity produces sin and it also thinks of ways to please itself, it devises evil, strengthened by fantasy perversion is soon carried out on the unsuspecting and innocent.

I believe that it is demonic in nature (though I know of no scriptures to verify my theories specifically, but my beliefs are based on my own experiences and what I've heard from others who have had similar experiences) it creates many strong holds that is evident like pornograpy masturbation and other addictive behaviours.

I'm not sympathethic to homosexuals because I have been exposed, I'm sympathetic because we don't (including myself) know how far reaching this this thing is, how it affects both the mind and body, neither do we quite understand the tactics of the devil, the very lengths he will go to to destroy man kind, he has deceived many of us.

As for me I, I know that I have been delivered, sometimes I have thoughts but I know that they are not my own they are suggestions from the enemy and I pull them down immediately. Guarding my eyes constantly to what I watch and I limit myself to what I will read, it's real work but deliverance is possible.

 

[Laela]

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Thanks for being so open and sharing your testimony...you never know whom this will bless!

This... ITA, wholeheartedly... it's like a root that grows in the crevices of the mind.. away from light... that needs to be plucked up.

In my opinion, molestation leaves behind something...it is a disturbance to the very soul of a person, it causes gender confusion, can cause doubt and fear, can cause you to act out, be premiscuous, have self esteem issues, equate love to sex and the list is endless...

It is a sin of the flesh, it is lust bound up in the hearts of (man/woman) that given the opportunity produces sin and it also thinks of ways to please itself, it devises evil, strengthened by fantasy perversion is soon carried out on the unsuspecting and innocent.

I believe that it is demonic in nature.

 

[Shimmie]

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As for me I, I know that I have been delivered, sometimes I have thoughts but I know that they are not my own they are suggestions from the enemy and I pull them down immediately. Guarding my eyes constantly to what I watch and I limit myself to what I will read, it's real work but deliverance is possible.

Iwanthealthyhair67 ...

It is no small wonder why your Ministry is so strong. In the same manner that King Herod feared Jesus, satan fears you, yet he can never have nor control you. Your heart has always been set upon Jesus.

Somethings you just know about people and you can always identify those who have a strong foundation with the Lord. I've always seen this in you. You don't mince words, you don't play with scripture, you are grounded in God's Word and you are bonded to His presence.

Remember Enoch, how he always walked with the Lord? This is you; you talk to God constantly all through the day and even in your sleep. You wake up with God, talking with Him even before you open your eyes in the morning and you even awake in the middle of the night, talking to the Lord and listening to Him.

Isaiah 50:4... Morning by Morning

The Sovereign LORD has given me his words of wisdom, so that I know how to comfort the weary. Morning by morning he wakens me and opens my understanding to his will.

It is no small wonder that I listen to you. This isn't flattery. It is no small wonder that I listen to you. I don't have a testimony such as been shared in this thread, yet it doesn't mean that my life is without sin. I thank God for the Words that He pours out of your heart and into mine. Words of fire which pierce my heart to fall in line and take heed to God's wisdom. You have words which keep me in check. And I thank God ... I thank God... I thank God. You have words which give me life.

You have fire in your heart for God and it's captures even the hardest of hearts. People 'listen' to you, whether they admit or not, they are listening and it's bearing much fruit.

I thank God for you, Healthy Hair... My sister in Christ Jesus. I thank God for you, each day.

 

[MSee]

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auparavant I truly appreciate your openess. I knew nothing of your previous posts mentioned in this thread but sensed a sexual identity struggle in other threads, in the past. At first I felt like I was judging a stranger but then I had a thought that, if I'm sensing correctly I should just pray because it was obvious you were seeking God and I know He will reveal His truth to you.

I too was molested as a child but by the opposite sex and at an age when I should not have been able to remember. I'm living proof that God can make all things new. He kept me from a lot of things that could have happened as a result of that. I believe that God can make anyone what His word declares we can be no matter what was done to us, not matter the effect it had on us, but we have to be willing to surrender ourselves absolutely to Him and His way.

You are not bi you are a woman. Forgive me if I offend you by saying that. I just believe God's Word in it's simplicity and what He has made you, He has made you. But it is your choice to believe about yourself what you will.

I'm fighting the temptation to delete my post simply because you have already made yourself vulnerable by your openess and I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings in anyway.

Shimmie and Iwanthealthyhair67 the thanks button is not enough. Your posts are truly appreciated.

 

[LucieLoo12]

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I myself was molested by a man and a woman in my childhood years. Though I never acted on any feelings, homosexual thoughts would cross my mind from time and time again. But its nothing but the blood of Jesus that can cleanse someone from this.I dont care how much therapy they take, it can only be done through Christ. Never get content with feeling this way because you can be delievered and I mean fully delievered. But you have to want to be delievered.I know the battle in the flesh that can occur. Your flesh is saying one thing but youre mind saying something else. But I know that God has washed my and freed me, and I am not looking back to that. Those that are in Christ are a new creature, old things are passed away, all things are become new.

 

[CoilyFields]

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I appluad your honesty and openess about a subject that is often "taboo" in the Christian arena. It's not an "ok" sin like lying or gossiping. And most of us Christians dont know how to love the person...(it is often times based on the confusing-and wrong-assumption that if you are loving to the person that you are "supporting" the sin-but only in the case of homosexuality).

Molestation can be a very big factor in sexual orientation...it confuses the mind of a child, often awakening or molding desires that would have otherwised gone a different route.

I understand from previous posts that in the Catholic Church it is the homosexual act that is the sin, not the homosexual orientation. In most of Protestantism it is the orientation/desire that is a sin, not just the act. In light of that I would warn just to be careful that you be on guard not to "excuse" the desire (not that Im saying you have) because like any other desire (to lie, steal, cheat etc.) it must be constantly checked at the point of conception. (Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.").

I Do believe with all of my heart that God can and will deliver us from ANY stronghold over our lives (even natural or manufactured desires)-unless he keeps that thorn in our flesh for HIS purposes (like with Paul). But whichever it is to be for you, I pray that you find REST in God in this area of your life.

Sidenote: Am I slow or what? I so did not know you were Guitarhero!

 

[auparavant]

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Just to make clear....I'm not homosexual...and I don't struggle with such thoughts daily.... I think there are many outlets where that can trigger an arousal, like a movie or something. What I am about is looking honestly at life. I wish I could find that post and the articles that person sent in stating basically that most people have either had or desired an encounter that would be considered "homosexual" but also that any such behaviors indicating that to be your orientation depends upon when and how frequent. I'm still looking for it. That would mean that more than 1/2 the world's population is right there at some point in their lives. It's not a stronghold in my life.

 

[firecracker]

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Thank you VERY MUCH Your assumptions have proved a very valid point.

That was easy.

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Valid in that you suck? Why are you giggling and carrying on? I don't want your false kisses, they remind me of Judas. No thanks. If you meant something else, then learn HOW your post appears to others and adjust it accordingly..but since I have witnessed how you post with much snark across this board, double "no thanks." If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. And if you are attempting to smirk at the christian community here, then triple "no thanks." We have had many transparent convos on here looking deeply into this particular issue and scripture. We're no fools, ma'am. Ignore...

Ya'll need ta stop.

By the way I didn't know that was you Guitar. Keep your head up!

 

[Shimmie]

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I appluad your honesty and openess about a subject that is often "taboo" in the Christian arena.

It's not an "ok" sin like lying or gossiping.

And most of us Christians dont know how to love the person...(it is often times based on the confusing-and wrong-assumption that if you are loving to the person that you are "supporting" the sin-but only in the case of homosexuality).

Molestation can be a very big factor in sexual orientation...it confuses the mind of a child, often awakening or molding desires that would have otherwised gone a different route.

I understand from previous posts that in the Catholic Church it is the homosexual act that is the sin, not the homosexual orientation. In most of Protestantism it is the orientation/desire that is a sin, not just the act. In light of that I would warn just to be careful that you be on guard not to "excuse" the desire (not that Im saying you have) because like any other desire (to lie, steal, cheat etc.) it must be constantly checked at the point of conception. (Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.").

I Do believe with all of my heart that God can and will deliver us from ANY stronghold over our lives (even natural or manufactured desires)-unless he keeps that thorn in our flesh for HIS purposes (like with Paul). But whichever it is to be for you, I pray that you find REST in God in this area of your life.

Sidenote: Am I slow or what? I so did not know you were Guitarhero!

This what I don't understand. Regarding the bolded, why is it assumed that Christians regard other sins as okay or pardonable, whenever homosexuality is spoken of?

I've yet to see / hear any Christian condone lying, stealing, gossiping, adultery, etc.

Important Note: This isn't coming from controversy; just a question that came to mind when I read your post, that's all. Your post has compassion; you're ministering to this life changing situations shared in this thread.

So again, my question is not contentious.

I don't get it . . .

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

Re: Sensitive Nature: So I had a talk with someone concerning my previous situation..

@MSee

If you can't remember don't worry about it...I don't mean to sound harsh in anyway but as long as you know that something did in fact happen that is what's important...

I can't remember the third person or much of the events but I KNOW that it did happen, I asked God not to bring him/her back to my memory only that I forgive them, I forgave because I wanted to be healed completely, I don't need to remember who, I don't need to lament any longer than necessary or walk around feeling bitter and sorry for myself, acknowleding that something in appropriate happened was enough for me...

 

[CoilyFields]

Re: Sensitive Nature: So I had a talk with someone concerning my previous situation..

This what I don't understand. Regarding the bolded, why is it assumed that Christians regard other sins as okay or pardonable, whenever homosexuality is spoken of?

I've yet to see / hear any Christian condone lying, stealing, gossiping, adultery, etc.

Important Note: This isn't coming from controversy; just a question that came to mind when I read your post, that's all. Your post has compassion; you're ministering to this life changing situations shared in this thread.

So again, my question is not contentious.

I don't get it . . .

I dont mean that Christians condone those sins but that they do not rebuke, castigate, nor point them out and look down on others when they are done nearly as hard as when someone is a practicing homosexual (especially with cross-gendered tendancies).

A homosexual male (with feminine tendancies) is looked at with contempt and suspicion while the boyfriend and girlfriend living together who fornicate are treated as a legitimate couple. This is not about people teaching that one sin is greater than another but in how people may treat them differently inside the Chruchouse.

I have seen people get the cold shoulder in church...or some Christians ready with a battle ax (notice I did not say the sword of the spirit lol) to cut them down while ignornig the gossiping cliques at war in the church. Becuase gossiping can be something more identifiable and "common" to all (everyone has lied before...most of us have cheated at/on something etc.) its held up as a special sin as opposed to the sin of someone, just like us, who has fallen short of the glory of God and should be drawn back in love (not disgust/contempt). And becuase of that ignorance (often unwillfull), converstaions like these never take place.

Shimmie, that commentary was to answer your question not to castigate you personally...you go hard on EVERY sin lol

 

[Shimmie]

Re: Sensitive Nature: So I had a talk with someone concerning my previous situation..

I dont mean that Christians condone those sins but that they do not rebuke, castigate, nor point them out and look down on others when they are done nearly as hard as when someone is a practicing homosexual (especially with cross-gendered tendancies).

A homosexual male (with feminine tendancies) is looked at with contempt and suspicion while the boyfriend and girlfriend living together who fornicate are treated as a legitimate couple. This is not about people teaching that one sin is greater than another but in how people may treat them differently inside the Chruchouse.

I have seen people get the cold shoulder in church...or some Christians ready with a battle ax (notice I did not say the sword of the spirit lol) to cut them down while ignornig the gossiping cliques at war in the church. Becuase gossiping can be something more identifiable and "common" to all (everyone has lied before...most of us have cheated at/on something etc.) its held up as a special sin as opposed to the sin of someone, just like us, who has fallen short of the glory of God and should be drawn back in love (not disgust/contempt). And becuase of that ignorance (often unwillfull), converstaions like these never take place.

Shimmie,

that commentary was to answer your question not to castigate you personally...you go hard on EVERY sin lol

I deleted my original reply. I'm home from work and I realized I needed to delete it. However, Coily, I wanted to say thanks for understanding my question and for seeing that I wasn't being contenious when asking.

@the bolded... Yeah... you know me well.

 

[naturalgyrl5199]

Re: Sensitive Nature: So I had a talk with someone concerning my previous situation..

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JeterCrazed:

What's so funny?

 

[JeterCrazed]

JeterCrazed:

What's so funny?

The same thing the OP thought was funny.

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