classimami713 said:Not sure why this thread is being rated poorly. It is simply giving us information and not argumentative. SMH
tsiporah said:Shimmie, Todah means Thanks in hebrew. Todah Rabah is Thank you very much.
About the Adam and Eve, yes they were black by geography. I don't express them being black because it is simply something other than white.
Scientist will even say they were 'African'.
Let me add,
In Gen. 10 you have the table of nations.
It lists the descendents of all three sons of Noah-- Ham, Shem, Japhet.
Now this is how we must think critically and carefully.
1. If Adam were black
then Eve was black because a rib was taken (DNA material) and used to form wo-man. First evidence of Genetic work being done outside of Adam.
2.Since both were black then the people in Pre-Flood times were black.
This included Noah.
3. Now get this: If Noah and his wife were black, then Ham is not the only black child!! Ham has two full-blooded brothers. Shem and Japhet. They were black.
Things did not change until AFTER the tower of Babel, Gen. tells you where they went. Japhet went north and became more separated from his brethren. Japhet remained black for a while until some later period. Meanwhile the Hamites and Shemites continued to mingle-mangle and for the most part through out history remain the same. This is evident with the Roman pic of an Israelite(the black and white one) and that same pic could also be representative of Yahusha's(Jesus) looks. They wore afros at that time and no kippas (the Yarmulke ).
czyfaith77 said:My question is this though and I am just asking this because I have been thinking this for years. If everyone is black from Adam and Eve on up, then who was there to "mix and mingle with"? (Themselves!! LOL...they were one people the Scritpure says, It is as if for example you have the Brown family clan that grew, then grew to become populous, they mingles with each other. When nations form in remote times, it is like if Jamaican married a Ghanian or if and Ethiopian married and American Black. Sometimes we think it too incredible to see the earth filled with---earthy looking people.)God knows I have been trying to figure this thing out. I did an experiement with the colors one day and as we know we have primary and secondary colors. And when you mix all the colors together it is all black but what gets black to white? (White is recessive and the geneticists will state that some..including so-called black people.. may be angry for that Truth but it is Truth.)(I am not asking you per se but it is just a question I have had for years at the back of my mind). I know I have some complex questions (I've been like that for years as well .
BTW, I wear a Messianic Jew emblem on my necklace. I identify myself as a Christian. But I feel as a Christian and a reader and believer of the Bible I can't deny either testaments over the other. (That is good, neither do I All Scripture is Profitable II Tim. 3:16)Believe me as an African American woman, I get alot stares on this. Some question and some stare. At first I thought people were staring at my chest but it turned out to be the emblem. And they just stare like they don't get it. The emblem on my necklace is a star of David (six point star and the cross). On some you will see the star and a fish.[/quote](Yes I have seen it.)
Shimmie said:tsiporah, I'm PM'ing you PUBLICLY! I couldn't log back into the forum fast enough.
As for the 'one-star'... you've already reached far beyond the stars, the sun and the moon with this education. Double - Two Thumbs Up!
While I cannot speak for all, I can say that this information is 'grounding' for many of us. I know that it surely is for me. I know I've shared this before, but all my life has been White oriented. I'm okay with that for I am loved in the White world.
But what you are sharing, the White world cannot give me. It's not theirs to give. It's truly a gift from God our Father. One that I do not mind sharing with others who are 'open' to know...undisputed "Truth."
Of course I have MORE questions....
Ismael... do we have a lineage with him? I'm sure of Issac via Abraham, but I've often wondered about Ismael?
The Middle East wars: Are they "The decendents of Jacob and Esau" fighting? Or, the decendents of Issac and Ismael?
I can see 2007 as the year of our Jewish awakening. And I say this most respectfully. I'm not here to offend anyone, with all of my heart, I mean this. I just have a 'hunger' for knowledge.
BTW: My great-grandfather (maternal) was/is Jewish. He was of the fairer skin. I don't know much more about him.
Another reason why your information is so vital to me.
My family always leaned upon the Native American bloodline of our family on both my parents sides. They spoke more of the Indian blood in us than they did of the African blood.
But I see this in 'our' race quite a bit. Many African Americans will ask are you 'Indian', or Hispanic or mixed? Actually, the question I grew up around was "What are you 'mixed' with?
This is my perpective: "Being Black" has too long, been something to be ashamed of. Hey, it comes out in too many ways. Our hair desires; our dress; where we patron; whom we support; even where we live... (I say 'we' very loosely). However, the self-image of our race seems to be getting lower as opposed to higher as it should be.
Note: I say this from life's observation. There is still too much low self-image within our race. Hence the need for what you are sharing with us.
So please if you will, accept this as my PM sent to you as high priority.
czyfaith77 said:Are there any other books or sites to reference. I would like to continue to read. While some of this is not new to me much of it it is and I would like to know more.
tsiporah said:Hey sis, I will answer your questions on the forum.....Please remind me when you get there!! I will gladly anwer them.
tsiporah said:That is a dangerous question and the answer will vary.
I will say this ( and you are thinking ):
There is a reason for the State of Israel's conversion factor and Mother being Jewish factor. It is a modern invention to limit who comes in.
These factors are NOT Scripture. But it is the Father who decides what is what, not a society that is 70-75% secular!!!
There are *some* who do acknowledge black jews--albeit certain groups. There is an author who admits the Black Americans are Israel. Unfortunately I do not have the book.
They may embrace the Ethiopian jews as Israel's 'black darlings' but when an American black comes to visit or return home----big problem.
There are some messianic black people who are Israelite aware who have relayed their experiences. I have heard them speak personally. They say that they STARE you down and when they know you are from the US and they know that you KNOW who you are and you say that you are returning home, they drop their gaze and begin moving out of your way.
Sometimes they get an angry disgusted look as if his time were up.
This guy said they expect you to move out of their way...
...but when they realize that you know about yourself it is like parting the Red Sea in the crowd! The children stare even the Ethiopian Jews stare. According to him, as well as others, Ethiopian jews are a "yes-man" people to the Israelis.
But there is much more to learn as many who call themselves 'jews' are not. Yet these are the same ones who want to define others and say who can come and who can't.
Cichelle said:This is false. Please don't speak of what you don't know. What determines who is and is not a Jew is not a "modern invention".
Lineage is decided by the father. That is to say, your line of ancestors. But a person born to a Gentile mother is not Jewish unless they have a halachic conversion. Do you know the reasons for this? Yes, the reasons are directly related to "scripture". And it isn't a modern invention to control the immigrant population in the State of Israel.
The color of the skin is not a part of determining who is and is not Jewish. You are not Jewish, but that is not determined by your race.
Who is "they" exactly? Please define. Also please define what "black darlings" are.
Americans white, black or purple cannot just go into other countries and say "hey I'm returning home". There are laws in every country regarding immigration. American blacks can visit Israel with as little or as much problem as anyone else. So what are you talking about?
How would they know these things about these "messianic black people"? Were they standing on the street corner claiming to be "returning home" or claiming that they are the real Israelis? Yes, that would explain the stares, as in general, people stare at people ranting on the street.
If they weren't making such declarations, how would the Israelis know anything about them...or care?
What does this mean "as if his time were up". Again, was this guy shouting out on the street that he is a true Israeli and the Israelis or not? Was he trying to proselytize? What was he saying? Once we know that, it might explain the alleged angry disgusted looks he got.
Why? Was he blocking the sidewalk or street and they told him to move? If not, how does he know what "they" expected?
A crowd parting like the Red Sea, figuratively or literally, for a messianic American walking down the street or ranting on the street corner is a highly unlikely scenario. (Btw, are you fluent in modern and biblical Hebrew? Are the messianic people who allegedly had these experiences in Israel fluent in the language?) The staring very well had something to do with the behavior of the individual relating this story to you.
If you go to Israel and try to proselytize, then yes you could very well have a big problem, both legal and social. If you go to Israel and stand on the street claiming it is your home then you shouldn't be surprised when people look at you like you have a few screws lose. Try it in other countries as well. See if they stare.
This is anti-semetic and racist.
Pebs, I am so excited about this. God has truly answered prayer.pebbles said:Excellent information! I joined the group.
classimami713 said:I would love to learn more about Messianic Judiasm. I was aware that there were some who believed Christ is the Messiah.
Zeal said:There is a Jewish comminity about 15 minutes a way from me. There is a Synagogue actoss the street from the health food store. It is called Beth Yeshua. I was invited there in 99 by a Rabbi. They believe in Jesus.
Here is my story of how I met the Rabbi . I was in Bible class. I was saying how much wanted to meet a Jew for Jesus. Because it has to be awsome. The whole history thing, they speak hebrew and they love Jesus. An older woman (seasoned saint) said to me, well you know what to do ask your Father and she looked up!
So i did. This was on a Tuesday night. The following Sunday, i atteneded an annual gospel concert. There was standing room only. I had a seat. I looked up towards the the end of my pew. Oh my there was a Jewish guy standing there. After the concert i tlked to him. i told him my prayer. he was like, well here I am. When he told me he was a Rabbi I almost passsed the heck out. When God answers, he answers. he invited me the the service. I have not made it there yet, but I will.
classimami713 said:I always wondered if the Jews (as we know them) were the chosen people, how could the NOT know the Messiah? It was always a mystery to me. Maybe the real issue is the people are displaced and don't know who THEY are. I would say that the majority of black were raised Christian and are practicing Christians. It gives me a chill to think that God found a way to keep us believing in His Son through all the toils we have been through.
tsiporah said:No more posts, PM me, that's it.
Shimmie said:Pebs, I am so excited about this. God has truly answered prayer.
My history and 'White' experience is not a big secret here. This information from tsiporah (who is truly sent to us of God) is so important to me on a personal level that no White person could ever give me. This is a beautiful gift to have...knowing the Truth about our Heritage...Biblically! Wooo Hoo!
The interesting personal applications with me are my great grandfather...Jewish and I've lived most of my Adult life in Jewish communities as well as worked for them. It was always 'assumed' that Jews were all 'white.' I needed this wake-up call...big time.
I'm so glad that I didn't leave the forum when I started to...God kept me here so that I wouldn't miss this and a few other important reasons. One of the reasons is you...my Darlin'
I only wish peace for everyone here and the very best that God and life can give them. I want everyone to be happy and blessed.
Praise God! From whom ALL Truth and Blessings flow.
pebbles said:Hey sweetie! How's the vacation going?
I have sooooo much reading to do! But I'm glad. There's a lot I didn't know.