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hnntrr said:
Debating washing my hair tonight or waiting until tomorrow night. I wanted to install braids this weekend but I may not be able too. I only have 4 packs of hair and I need 2 more packs to get my whole head done (gonna check when I get home tho). Hopefully I will have enough and I will just start Friday night when I get off work and hopefully be done by the time I have to go to work Saturday. Kinda regretting taking a Saturday shift...at least my paycheck will be fat.
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Do the perimeter with the 4 packs you have. Then do the remaining when you get the hair. 6 packs of hair is a lot of hair though. As big as my head is I don't remember them every using more than 4. But I also don't wear my braids very long.
 
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uofmpanther[/USER];18912685]faithVA - what do you use for your LC and your LLC?

I think LOC or LCO works best for me right after washing. Lately, I've been using just my water sprit mix and KBB hydrating hair cream for my daily moisture, though I'm doing it while my hair is in twists. I'm not sure if it will work the same while my hair is out. Also, KBB has glycerin, so I don't know about winter. I've been mulling over trying to make my own. I'm just not sure I want to.
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I haven't tried the LC or the LLC yet. But when I do I will be using the As I Am Leave-in for the 1st (L). I will use Purabody Sapote for the 2nd (L) and the Purabody Murumuru for the (C).

I have never gotten the LOC, LCO to work on any stage. I have never gotten oil to work for me and I have tried 90% of the oils mentioned on this board. Finally trying something different. I doubt if it could be worse.
 
uofmpanther said:
If you ladies were to pick 1-2 hair care lines to use exclusively for you me hair, what would they be. I was able to use mainly just one for my relaxed hair, but I haven't found one line for my natural. The closest I get is Curl Junkie.
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I would use As I Am and 4 Naturals. Unfortunately I don't think 4 Naturals will be around long :ohwell: I haven't found another line yet that works well on my hair. I will experiment with a few more next year.
 
faithVA said:
Do the perimeter with the 4 packs you have. Then do the remaining when you get the hair. 6 packs of hair is a lot of hair though. As big as my head is I don't remember them every using more than 4. But I also don't wear my braids very long.
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I always but in TBL braids cause I am too lazy to cut them before install hahahaha. I think I used 5 last time? I did pretty decent sized braids. But eh I don't wanna run out. BSS's around here are few and far between and the ones I found have very little product. I am just going to wait until Tuesday when I have a bit more time. I am tired and I have work and orientation this weekend. Uhg.
 
Yesterday, I got caught into a downpour. Black women started running, but my hair was loving it. That was at about 10 last night. Why is my hair still damp? It's 8 am.
 
Tonight I did LLC on the right and LC on the left and my hair likes it better than LOC or LCO so I will be skipping the oil for a while if not indefinitely. I will use oil for hot oil treatments prior to my shampoo. There seems to be enough oil in the creams to satisfy my hair. I will experiment to see if there is a difference between LLC and LC for me.
 
I washed last night, adding BS to my HE LTR (so many acronyms!). And then the heavens opened up and God spoke to me. He said "Child, you are going to have beautifully soft hair tomorrow, even if you airdry."

I am sooo mad I never read this thread sooner! LTR was always nice to my hair, but now it's just... :love: My airdried hair has *never* felt like this, ever! And I even forgot to moisturize before I went to bed. And it's still soft and moisturized and everything.
 
Do you ladies use a daily spritz to moisturize? If so, what do you use? I currently use a homemade daily, but I want to experiment a little I think. I'm currently on a baggying challenge to test out my spritz, and I feel like the moisture should be higher
 
^^Right now I am using Giovannia Eco-Chic leave-in as my spritz. Sometimes I use diluted S-curl. I haven't done any of them consistently enough to say that its fabulous. However, the Giovanni seems to work OK for right now. I'm doing a light spritz at night with a 15 minute baggy and then sealing with Shea Moisture Elixir. The Giovanni doesn't seem to make my hair frizzy so far.
 
--Share your hair background
I have been transitioning for the past 15 months. I swear I have moments when my hair like
3svyaf.jpg


I've always had difficulty perming and coloring my hair. My hair dense with thick strands and laughs at rinses and my attempts to change it's natural color.

--What symptoms is your hair exhibiting?
Dryness and frizz
--What have you tried that worked?
Rinsing my hair with warm water, cold water just sits on top of my hair like a puddle. Using lighter oil such as coconut oil after spritzing with warm water, and steaming my hair, trying to lift my cuticles with steam before I DC.
--What have you tried that did not work?
Heavy sealers like Shea butter or castor oil in larger sections. The only way I can moisturize with these are practically one small twist at a time.
 
[USER said:
ail221;18938445[/USER]]--Share your hair background
I have been transitioning for the past 15 months. I swear I have moments when my hair like
3svyaf.jpg


I've always had difficulty perming and coloring my hair. My hair dense with thick strands and laughs at rinses and my attempts to change it's natural color.

--What symptoms is your hair exhibiting?
Dryness and frizz
--What have you tried that worked?
Rinsing my hair with warm water, cold water just sits on top of my hair like a puddle. Using lighter oil such as coconut oil after spritzing with warm water, and steaming my hair, trying to lift my cuticles with steam before I DC.
--What have you tried that did not work?
Heavy sealers like Shea butter or castor oil in larger sections. The only way I can moisturize with these are practically one small twist at a time.
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Welcome. I love your gif :lol: Made me laugh.
 
NaiyaAi said:
I washed last night, adding BS to my HE LTR (so many acronyms!). And then the heavens opened up and God spoke to me. He said "Child, you are going to have beautifully soft hair tomorrow, even if you airdry."

I am sooo mad I never read this thread sooner! LTR was always nice to my hair, but now it's just... :love: My airdried hair has *never* felt like this, ever! And I even forgot to moisturize before I went to bed. And it's still soft and moisturized and everything.
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Has LTR been reformulated since back in the day? My hair hated it before NaiyaAi
 
-- Share your background.
I've been natural for about 2 years now. I stopped pressing my hair in Nov. 2011. I've never permed, but i straightened my hair very hard like a perm lol. I BC'd my hair to 7 inches. And now I'm currently and 15 inches.

-- What hair symptoms are you exhibiting?

I've experienced:
•hair that feels totally unmoisturized, after hair had dried from a wash. Aka: nothing is holding moisture.
•rough ends
• product sitting on my hair
•hair takes time to get wet

-- What have you tried that works so far?

1. Finding a conditioner with low molecular weight.

There are a few blogs and sites that talk about molecular weight and hair. I can't explain it well myself. But one easy example is: we have a hard time getting moisture in low porosity hair. The reason is that, water molecules are larger than the opening of are cuticles. Meaning it takes longer time for water to diffuse in. Different ingredients can cause water molecules to be broken down smaller sizes to get under the cuticle. Now as far as finding a conditioner with low molecular weight, there isn't some test you can do, just trial and error. I found a conditioner that works for me on a whim. And surprisingly it's Pantene lol. It doesn't feel like its just sitting on my hair. It actually affects my hair. Different conditioners have different molecular weights, so that's why some conditioners just sits on your hair and some actually give effect. For example, suave naturals feels like putting globs of Vaseline on my hair (it does great for my skin though lol) So it was trial and error/ whimsical choice for me.

2. Glycerin

Now I can't say it's as simple as put glycerin on your hair and you're done. You have to find the amount that works for you. For me, if I use I much, my hair feels coated and slightly dry. If I use too little it doesn't last very long. From my own studies, I believe glycerin binds to water molecules and clings to them. So when diluted, it's already bound. So when you spray glycerin/water mix onto the hair, it settles and retains moisture. I don't think it draws moisture from the air necessarily. If you use too much glycerin in comparison to water, then your hair can be dry because there is remaining glycerin that has nothing to bind to (So I've read, glycerin can bind to 3 molecules of water) which gives that coated feeling. If you use too little, all the glycerin is bound, however, it might not be enough to moisturize, or if it does,won't last very long. I do believe that moisturized hair has a higher tendency to be affect by humidity. I guess that's why people associate glycerin with humidity and believe that glycerin draws moisture from the air.

3. Letting my conditioner set.
When I put the conditioner in my hair, I let it set, with a shower cap on, while I scrub my body. It gives time to soften my hair.

4. Shampooing with a sulfate that works for my hair.
This took testing. The shampooing should help in removing oils and lint from scalp, (and hair if you prefer) so you can receive moisture. Now depending on how oily or dry your scalp is, you should find a shampoo that works for you. I use ammonium lauryl sulfate. I'm even surprised I use it, (I think it's because I get dandruff easily). But it doesn't strip my hair; however, it does remove some oil. (I recently started diluting a little water in it.) I think everyone should use some type of shampoo. It doesn't have to be mine, or a sulfate, but something to remove oil and lint. So it can give your hair higher access to moisture. I think the only reason to use specifically a sulfate is if you use silicones. And I do lol. But ammonium works for me.

5. Damp styling, with milky textured products.

I don't style on wet hair. I dry my hair with a towel, and I give my hair time to dry a little now. The milky product I use is a mix of conditioner water, glycerin, and oil. And my hair will conform to it. I use 150 ml of water/glycerin (25% glycerin and 75% water), 1/3 c. Conditioner and a little bit of oil... Like 1 or 1 1/2 Tbs. and it works pretty well now.

So far this had been helping a lot. I wish I had this info in the beginning. Because my hair was literally stuck on plateaus. And this stuff has been helping me get over the humps.

One thing I'd like to try is liquid Castile soap. Because it's like a less rough version of the Cherry Lola treatment. Also I've read that Castile soap can lower the molecular weight of water, or in other words, make it small enough to get under the cuticle! ( But to use a small amount) I just don't know how to use it yet. So I need to do a lot of reading.

I hope this helps somebody though, I truly knows how it feels to be stuck at one length, my info won't apply to everyone I'm sure, but I hope it helps someone.
 
I was feeling some kind of way with doing the Komaza Hair Analysis. I was just feeling weird sending my hair off for someone to review it. However, I'm come to be comfy with it and will be sending my hair off for analysis. Keep you all posted when I finally decide to move forward. I'm interested to see/hear what is said pertaining porosity.
 
What is LLC?

LOC=liquid,cream,oil?


I add castile soap and baking soda to my conditioner when DCing. Should I be adding both? How much of each should I add? I think I add about 1 tablespoon per cup size of conditioner. Thoughts?
 
shortdub78, you'll be fine. If anything, just prepoo and do not let the shampoo sit in the hair, just wash and rinse out.

DH asked me today if I knew what it was like to feel water drop straight on to my scalp. I told him, I wish I knew what it was like to not have to section my hair just to get it fully wet to wash it, that it takes 2 minutes to get my hair wet, and even then its not fully wet. He just stopped talking.
 
Celesti said:
-- Share your background.
I've been natural for about 2 years now. I stopped pressing my hair in Nov. 2011. I've never permed, but i straightened my hair very hard like a perm lol. I BC'd my hair to 7 inches. And now I'm currently and 15 inches.

-- What hair symptoms are you exhibiting?

I've experienced:
•hair that feels totally unmoisturized, after hair had dried from a wash. Aka: nothing is holding moisture.
•rough ends
• product sitting on my hair
•hair takes time to get wet

-- What have you tried that works so far?

1. Finding a conditioner with low molecular weight.

There are a few blogs and sites that talk about molecular weight and hair. I can't explain it well myself. But one easy example is: we have a hard time getting moisture in low porosity hair. The reason is that, water molecules are larger than the opening of are cuticles. Meaning it takes longer time for water to diffuse in. Different ingredients can cause water molecules to be broken down smaller sizes to get under the cuticle. Now as far as finding a conditioner with low molecular weight, there isn't some test you can do, just trial and error. I found a conditioner that works for me on a whim. And surprisingly it's Pantene lol. It doesn't feel like its just sitting on my hair. It actually affects my hair. Different conditioners have different molecular weights, so that's why some conditioners just sits on your hair and some actually give effect. For example, suave naturals feels like putting globs of Vaseline on my hair (it does great for my skin though lol) So it was trial and error/ whimsical choice for me.

2. Glycerin

Now I can't say it's as simple as put glycerin on your hair and you're done. You have to find the amount that works for you. For me, if I use I much, my hair feels coated and slightly dry. If I use too little it doesn't last very long. From my own studies, I believe glycerin binds to water molecules and clings to them. So when diluted, it's already bound. So when you spray glycerin/water mix onto the hair, it settles and retains moisture. I don't think it draws moisture from the air necessarily. If you use too much glycerin in comparison to water, then your hair can be dry because there is remaining glycerin that has nothing to bind to (So I've read, glycerin can bind to 3 molecules of water) which gives that coated feeling. If you use too little, all the glycerin is bound, however, it might not be enough to moisturize, or if it does,won't last very long. I do believe that moisturized hair has a higher tendency to be affect by humidity. I guess that's why people associate glycerin with humidity and believe that glycerin draws moisture from the air.

3. Letting my conditioner set.
When I put the conditioner in my hair, I let it set, with a shower cap on, while I scrub my body. It gives time to soften my hair.

4. Shampooing with a sulfate that works for my hair.
This took testing. The shampooing should help in removing oils and lint from scalp, (and hair if you prefer) so you can receive moisture. Now depending on how oily or dry your scalp is, you should find a shampoo that works for you. I use ammonium lauryl sulfate. I'm even surprised I use it, (I think it's because I get dandruff easily). But it doesn't strip my hair; however, it does remove some oil. (I recently started diluting a little water in it.) I think everyone should use some type of shampoo. It doesn't have to be mine, or a sulfate, but something to remove oil and lint. So it can give your hair higher access to moisture. I think the only reason to use specifically a sulfate is if you use silicones. And I do lol. But ammonium works for me.

5. Damp styling, with milky textured products.

I don't style on wet hair. I dry my hair with a towel, and I give my hair time to dry a little now. The milky product I use is a mix of conditioner water, glycerin, and oil. And my hair will conform to it. I use 150 ml of water/glycerin (25% glycerin and 75% water), 1/3 c. Conditioner and a little bit of oil... Like 1 or 1 1/2 Tbs. and it works pretty well now.

So far this had been helping a lot. I wish I had this info in the beginning. Because my hair was literally stuck on plateaus. And this stuff has been helping me get over the humps.

One thing I'd like to try is liquid Castile soap. Because it's like a less rough version of the Cherry Lola treatment. Also I've read that Castile soap can lower the molecular weight of water, or in other words, make it small enough to get under the cuticle! ( But to use a small amount) I just don't know how to use it yet. So I need to do a lot of reading.

I hope this helps somebody though, I truly knows how it feels to be stuck at one length, my info won't apply to everyone I'm sure, but I hope it helps someone.
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Thanks for the post. I like detailed post :yep:
 
uofmpanther said:
If you ladies were to pick 1-2 hair care lines to use exclusively for you me hair, what would they be. I was able to use mainly just one for my relaxed hair, but I haven't found one line for my natural. The closest I get is Curl Junkie.
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uofmpanther, Aubrey Organics and HairVeda.

Why?
HairVeda offers great cleansers for clarifying and co-cleansing.
Aubrey Organics offers great conditioners. I also use Aubrey as my leave ins.
 
divachyk said:
uofmpanther, Aubrey Organics and HairVeda.

Why?
HairVeda offers great cleansers for clarifying and co-cleansing.
Aubrey Organics offers great conditioners. I also use Aubrey as my leave ins.
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divachyk - I am liking Aubrey Organics more and more for my shampoos and conditioners. I think the Blue Green Algae hair mask may be too much protein for me, but I love the White Camellia Shampoo and the Island Replenishing Conditioner. I just bought the White Camellia Conditioner to try it. I tried to use the HSR as a leave-in, but it didn't work. That's why I like CJ better as a potential one line. My hair likes their cleanser, deep conditioners, and leave-in.
 
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Does the shampoo matter for low porosity? I changed the way I condition bc of my low density but not how I poo. LIke I warm up my conditioners, DCing under the dryer, adding baking soda to my conditioner, etc.

What should I do with my shampoo? I use keracare hydrating/detangling poo and I love it.
 
Holla said:
Does the shampoo matter for low porosity? I changed the way I condition bc of my low density but not how I poo. LIke I warm up my conditioners, DCing under the dryer, adding baking soda to my conditioner, etc. What should I do with my shampoo? I use keracare hydrating/detangling poo and I love it.
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For me, it matters only because I need a moisturizing gentle lather shampoo. I can't use shampoos with smoothing ingredients. If a shampoo makes my hair feel slightly raspy, then it's usually ok. As far as conditioning, I always have to use heat unless I'm cowashing (if that happens) where I don't usually have high expectations for conditioner.

Please excuse my iPhone
 
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