Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[sheba1]

We didn't disagree, AtlantaJJ I think Muse should use her Sedu, also. But... if she finds she needs to up the heat she can either grab the Babyliss or borrow a friends that goes to higher temps

 

[sheba1]

Keep in mind, though, that all pros don't agree on the temp needed to fuse the product. When Southerntease got hers done, the stylist told her that 430 degrees should be the max temp used to fuse the BKT for our type hair. Something about the strands being more fine.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

We didn't disagree, AtlantaJJ I think Muse should use her Sedu, also. But... if she finds she needs to up the heat she can either grab the Babyliss or borrow a friends that goes to higher temps

I was saying the $30.00 Babyliss at TJ Maxx is a piece of junk She needs a good true solid ceramic flat iron to protect her hair from the heat and to seal the product. I don't think the temp has to be 450. I think whats more important is that the iron is solid or near solid ceramic and not a coated look alike such as the $30.00 Babyliss. A cheap non ceramic can cause heat damage quicker that a good iron. I think her Sedu will work fine

 

[cutenss]

I have a Sedu that goes to 450. But I actually use about 410-430 degrees. That is with the Dreamhair product. I think the type of product makes a difference. Remeber my first BKT with the OK Keratin treatment? I used the Babyliss Ceramic Pro at 450 degrees. Perfect results. Then I used QOD MAX , with the Babyliss at 450 degrees. I never got good results. Now back to the Dreamhair. Its results remind me of the OK results. I find that I did 3-5 passes with the Dreamhair. Dreamhair is the way BKT was meant to be. Bottom line, I think its the product more than the iron. Just my thought

 

[sheba1]

Cutenss, I didn't know you did Dreamhair!! Girlfriend, I need pictures! Pretty please

 

[mstar]

I love this thread...everyone's hair looks gorgeous!

Has anyone in Los Angeles had their BKT professionally done? I just called Kimble Hair Studio in West Hollywood, and found out that their prices start at $300, which sounds pretty reasonable. Anyone have any experience with them?

 

[Love Always]

I love this thread...everyone's hair looks gorgeous!

Has anyone in Los Angeles had their BKT professionally done? I just called Kimble Hair Studio in West Hollywood, and found out that their prices start at $300, which sounds pretty reasonable. Anyone have any experience with them?

Not in Los Angeles but I'm in San Diego and I was quoted around $250-$300. I think the price is worth it because BKT hair can last a long time depending on how you take care of it, ie. using organic shampoos and conditioners. Mstar are you natural or relaxed?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I have a Sedu that goes to 450. But I actually use about 410-430 degrees. That is with the Dreamhair product. I think the type of product makes a difference. Remeber my first BKT with the OK Keratin treatment? I used the Babyliss Ceramic Pro at 450 degrees. Perfect results. Then I used QOD MAX , with the Babyliss at 450 degrees. I never got good results. Now back to the Dreamhair. Its results remind me of the OK results. I find that I did 3-5 passes with the Dreamhair. Dreamhair is the way BKT was meant to be. Bottom line, I think its the product more than the iron. Just my thought

I have the QOD Gold, I haven't tried it yet but PinkSkates loved it and got great results. I heard the QOD Gold is much better than the Max so you are right about getting a quality product. I also think that a good high quaity ceramic iron is good for the health of the hair in general, especially for fine haired gals like myself.

I still have some OK Keratin left, I need to revisit it again. I like the Global 4% it's good for my out of control roots. Now I'm getting dizzy with all these different brands to try I know one thing, my hair has grown and thickened up and is beautiful!! I am so happy!! BKT RULES!! Boys drool!

ETA: I said boys because my son is watching me type!

 

[mstar]

Not in Los Angeles but I'm in San Diego and I was quoted around $250-$300. I think the price is worth it because BKT hair can last a long time depending on how you take care of it, ie. using organic shampoos and conditioners. Mstar are you natural or relaxed?

Thanks for responding, Nisha! I'm natural...do you think they'll charge me more because of that?

I think the price is worth it, too. I'd been feeling conflicted, because I haven't had good results with most hairstylists (the one exception was my stylist in San Diego...she was excellent). But Kimble seems like a salon I can trust.

 

[sheba1]

Man, Mstar I really want you to try it but, as a natural, I don't know how well it will take on the first go around. You may need two treatments for it to take well... for $500 to $600? That's the next three years worth of BKTs, IMO.

You sure you don't want to get yourself a sample of Dreamhair from Fabulosity and do it yourself on a lazy morning? It's a process but it's not really all that hard. It's kind of like doing a conditioning treatment, blow dry and flat iron, when you think about it.

Lots of ladies have gone to a stylist for their first one, though. I think Crazydaze goes to a stylist for every BKT. Just seems like such a huge expense for something that's actually pretty simple.

 

[mstar]

^^You are so sweet, Sheba. It's actually your WnG success that's inspired me to try BKT. I want my hair to look like yours!

LOL, AtlantaJJ was trying to convince me to do it myself, too. You guys make a lot of sense, but I'll just tell you straight up what my reservations are. I don't know how to do my own hair...never have. I'm committed to learning, but the truth is that I haven't owned a blowdryer in 15 years, and I just bought my very first flat iron a few months ago (haven't used it yet). I was one of those chicks who had a standing salon appointment.

So basically, I'd rather practice my heat styling on hair that's already protected with the BKT. Does that make any sense? Then I can work on learning to heat style...and hopefully I'll have enough confidence to do my own treatment next time. I only want to pay $300 ONE time! I don't plan on giving another dime of my money to stylists after that.

 

[sheba1]

^^^^ Makes perfect sense, Mstar and you'll do great.

And thank you so much for the kind words. I can't wait to see your wash-n-go

 

[Eisani]

Mstar, I used it for the first time a couple weeks ago on 23 months post relaxed hair. My natural hair got silky straight using Dreamhair and it was a DIY job. I know individual results may vary, but I agree w/Sheba as far as trying it yourself or perhaps having someone help you if possible before shelling out that kind of money for the treatment when you aren't even sure how your hair will respond.

 

[ChristmasCarol]

^^You are so sweet, Sheba. It's actually your WnG success that's inspired me to try BKT. I want my hair to look like yours!

LOL, AtlantaJJ was trying to convince me to do it myself, too. You guys make a lot of sense, but I'll just tell you straight up what my reservations are. I don't know how to do my own hair...never have. I'm committed to learning, but the truth is that I haven't owned a blowdryer in 15 years, and I just bought my very first flat iron a few months ago (haven't used it yet). I was one of those chicks who had a standing salon appointment.

So basically, I'd rather practice my heat styling on hair that's already protected with the BKT. Does that make any sense? Then I can work on learning to heat style...and hopefully I'll have enough confidence to do my own treatment next time. I only want to pay $300 ONE time! I don't plan on giving another dime of my money to stylists after that.

Doing a BKT treatment is really not very hard! It sounds complicated, but it's really not.

I know NOTHING about doing hair. I really mean NOTHING. I've never even rollerset my hair. I don't even know how to use a curling iron. I always got a blunt collarbone bob and left it that way for nearly 25 years. If I can do it, anyone can.

It's more about following the directions and only passing the flat iron over the hair as many times as needed. I used Keratina Brazilian Keratin Straight and it recommended 7 passes. But, while I was flatironing, I noticed that my hair looked really silky and straight after just 3 passes. So I did the rest of my hair using 3 passes to avoid heat damage.

Doing the BKT is not about "styling" the hair at all. It's about using just enough of the product to coat the hair and then using just enough passes to bake it in.

I got my treatment from a salon in Boca Raton, FL. They also sell a small bottle of the treatment on eBay for about $50. Their seller ID is frizfree or frizzfree. They have a 100% feedback rating and the lady who owns the salon is really nice. When I went in to pick up my treatment, she told me exactly what to do and gave me some other samples in a gift bag.

If you do get it done professionally, you'll be amazed at how easy it is.

 

[Love Always]

^^You are so sweet, Sheba. It's actually your WnG success that's inspired me to try BKT. I want my hair to look like yours!

LOL, AtlantaJJ was trying to convince me to do it myself, too. You guys make a lot of sense, but I'll just tell you straight up what my reservations are. I don't know how to do my own hair...never have. I'm committed to learning, but the truth is that I haven't owned a blowdryer in 15 years, and I just bought my very first flat iron a few months ago (haven't used it yet). I was one of those chicks who had a standing salon appointment.

So basically, I'd rather practice my heat styling on hair that's already protected with the BKT. Does that make any sense? Then I can work on learning to heat style...and hopefully I'll have enough confidence to do my own treatment next time. I only want to pay $300 ONE time! I don't plan on giving another dime of my money to stylists after that.

I'm with you on this post. The process seems very simple and easy enough to do on your own. I would do it myself but the only reason why I'm going to the salon is because I live with family members that always have something to say when it comes to my hair erplexed. I know the fumes alone will cause havoc and I don't want to hear their mouths. Blessed are the ones that don't have to put with the nonsense of nosey family members.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

^^You are so sweet, Sheba. It's actually your WnG success that's inspired me to try BKT. I want my hair to look like yours!

LOL, AtlantaJJ was trying to convince me to do it myself, too. You guys make a lot of sense, but I'll just tell you straight up what my reservations are. I don't know how to do my own hair...never have. I'm committed to learning, but the truth is that I haven't owned a blowdryer in 15 years, and I just bought my very first flat iron a few months ago (haven't used it yet). I was one of those chicks who had a standing salon appointment.

So basically, I'd rather practice my heat styling on hair that's already protected with the BKT. Does that make any sense? Then I can work on learning to heat style...and hopefully I'll have enough confidence to do my own treatment next time. I only want to pay $300 ONE time! I don't plan on giving another dime of my money to stylists after that.

You could just spend the $300.00 to fly me out there and I'll do it for you! And I'll show you how to do it yourself and then we'll go out and show off your swangin hair for fun as an added benefit. It think the airfair would be cheaper than a salon visit if I flew AirTran

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I'm with you on this post. The process seems very simple and easy enough to do on your own. I would do it myself but the only reason why I'm going to the salon is because I live with family members that always have something to say when it comes to my hair erplexed. I know the fumes alone will cause havoc and I don't want to hear their mouths. Blessed are the ones that don't have to put with the nonsense of nosey family members.

You and mstar need me to come out there don't you? I'll be there in July but you don't want to wait that long.

 

[Muse]

I hate to contradict Sheba's advice but a top quality ceramic iron is part of what makes the BKT treatment bond better and protects your hair from heat damage.

I was told by a pro that I needed to invest a FHI or Babyliss ceramic tourmaline ionic iron because it helps with your hair to prevent heat damage and it helps with the BKT bonding with the hair.

I invested in the top of the line BabyLiss and I believe that is one of the reasons I have had such great success with the product.

Just something to think about. Your 410 Sedu would be better than the cheap TJ Maxx iron. I looked at that thing and walked away from it and left it in the store. Try your Sedu, if that doesn't work upgrade. IMHO

@ bolded Thanks JJ! I have decided to do a test section in the back with the sedu. I will analyze the section for a week before deciding to use the sedu for the rest or to get another iron.

 

[Muse]

I have a Sedu that goes to 450. But I actually use about 410-430 degrees. That is with the Dreamhair product. I think the type of product makes a difference. Remeber my first BKT with the OK Keratin treatment? I used the Babyliss Ceramic Pro at 450 degrees. Perfect results. Then I used QOD MAX , with the Babyliss at 450 degrees. I never got good results. Now back to the Dreamhair. Its results remind me of the OK results. I find that I did 3-5 passes with the Dreamhair. Dreamhair is the way BKT was meant to be. Bottom line, I think its the product more than the iron. Just my thought

This is great to hear! Thanks Cuteness. I do have the Dreamhair BKT too so I'm feeling a bit more confident now about my flat iron.

 

[deniseAlder]

Have to say...I think th iron makes a difference. I have tried BKT with two irons, one was the super smooth sedu which has high quality plates. The other was a £40 flat iron, with not very smooth plates. I did a test sample of two different bits of my hair (neither were previously BKT'd). I found the straightness was the same, however the Sedu ironed sample came out much much smoother in texture. The cheap iron was straight but felt coarse, and dry.
Bottom line is, if your going to be doing these treatments you might as well use the best quality products. Poor flat irons break hair and snag the ends. They have a rough texture, and if you think about it, this will probably imprint into the keratin as it sets. GET A GOOD IRON!

 

[sheba1]

Hey Nisha, which product are you using? If it's Dreamhair or Softliss, I don't think you have to worry much about the smell being noticeable. Now my Global is not so much fun in that regard It would definitely stir up a ruckus

So guys, I'm thinking of skipping both blow dries next time. I know I know... I'm just asking for trouble, probably. But I've been thinking, what if I apply the BKT to damp hair, flat twist and air dry over night? It should come out relatively smooth, I'll smooth the treatment in with my Croc2 and call it a day. If I'm using Dreamhair I'll smell so good I wouldn't think of washing it out for 3 or 4 days. What do you ladies think? Either way, of course I'll post pics

 

[aegis]

i am getting mine done tomorrow! i am so excited and have been reading this thread voraciously. this is also my first post on here

 

[ebonylocs]

Anybody apart from Stella using Zene?

 

[Natural Glow]

So guys, I'm thinking of skipping both blow dries next time. I know I know... I'm just asking for trouble, probably. But I've been thinking, what if I apply the BKT to damp hair, flat twist and air dry over night? It should come out relatively smooth, I'll smooth the treatment in with my Croc2 and call it a day. If I'm using Dreamhair I'll smell so good I wouldn't think of washing it out for 3 or 4 days. What do you ladies think? Either way, of course I'll post pics

Good Luck. Let us know how it turns out cause I hate blow drying. Oh have you used a Sedu before. I'm trying to decide if I should get a Sedu or a Croc2.

 

[sheba1]

Good Luck. Let us know how it turns out cause I hate blow drying. Oh have you used a Sedu before. I'm trying to decide if I should get a Sedu or a Croc2.

I have never used a Sedu but me and my Croc2 are like :twoinlove:. My first flat iron was my FHI platform and it's just ok in comparison to my Croc. I mean, I hadn't BKT'd in two months in my siggy and could do one pass at 400 for the smoothest silkiest result. Love love love it.

I will definitely let y'all know how it goes with the air dry BKT app.

 

[Stella B.]

Hey Nisha, which product are you using? If it's Dreamhair or Softliss, I don't think you have to worry much about the smell being noticeable. Now my Global is not so much fun in that regard It would definitely stir up a ruckus

So guys, I'm thinking of skipping both blow dries next time. I know I know... I'm just asking for trouble, probably. But I've been thinking, what if I apply the BKT to damp hair, flat twist and air dry over night? It should come out relatively smooth, I'll smooth the treatment in with my Croc2 and call it a day. If I'm using Dreamhair I'll smell so good I wouldn't think of washing it out for 3 or 4 days. What do you ladies think? Either way, of course I'll post pics

Hey Sheba1! If you're thinking of skipping the blow dry, you should be ok, as long as you don't desire to have your hair come out really straight. I skipped the blow drying when I BKT'd last week, because blow drying is not something I do on a regular basis. My hair came out more like a soft press, rather than a silky perm. I definitely think blow drying helps in the overall straightening process, and how your ends will hang in your final results. Not sure about putting the BKT applied hair in twists, tho, I'd be scared that might be too much manipulation on the hair strands. You know how the directions say do nothing to your hair for 2-3 days, and do not wrap, ponytail, or clip hair up? All that protein can make your hair hard; and you don't want to run the risk of having your hair break from too much stress being placed on it. I was afraid to turn my head for a few days, didn't want my hardened loose ends to break off on my shoulders! Since you've BKT'd several times already, you pretty much know how your hair reacts after the treatment, and how much handling it can stand. If you should decide to give it a try, I hope it turns out well for you. Let us know how it goes.

 

[mstar]

You could just spend the $300.00 to fly me out there and I'll do it for you! And I'll show you how to do it yourself and then we'll go out and show off your swangin hair for fun as an added benefit. It think the airfair would be cheaper than a salon visit if I flew AirTran

Ok, that sounds like the best idea yet! I KNOW you'd hook it up, girl. I'm serious...

Thanks for all the encouragement, everyone! I'm going to speak with the manager of the salon tomorrow morning, and see what she's talking about. If I get a bad vibe, or if she starts jacking up the price, then I guess I'll be joining the DIY ranks sooner than I thought. I'll keep you guys posted...

 

[deniseAlder]

Hey Nisha, which product are you using? If it's Dreamhair or Softliss, I don't think you have to worry much about the smell being noticeable. Now my Global is not so much fun in that regard It would definitely stir up a ruckus

So guys, I'm thinking of skipping both blow dries next time. I know I know... I'm just asking for trouble, probably. But I've been thinking, what if I apply the BKT to damp hair, flat twist and air dry over night? It should come out relatively smooth, I'll smooth the treatment in with my Croc2 and call it a day. If I'm using Dreamhair I'll smell so good I wouldn't think of washing it out for 3 or 4 days. What do you ladies think? Either way, of course I'll post pics

hey sheba. I really dont think you should keep it over night!!!
As you sleeps your hair will be pressed against your scalp, and the moist solution will get soaked into the pores. Ive heard that if the chemicals are allowed to set into the scalp it can cause hair loss from the roots, plus the skin is not dead like hair so you will absorbing the chemicals directly into your body.

 

[deniseAlder]

hello guys!

I wanted to know what the differences in bkt results are between products?

Do any actually make natural afro hair straight?

I have tried QOD on part of my hair and liked results. my hair went to a 3c type texture. Can some one tell me what the differences would be with a global 4% compared to QOD?

Thanks everyone!

 

[sheba1]

hey Denise, if you layer a bunch of apps over top of each other it will take much longer for the hair to revert and you can actually get a "straight from the shower kind of effect. Brittany was able to do this with one of the 4% solutions over time. You can see more about her hair here.

I like to wash n go so I choose to let my apps wear off, for the most part, in between.