It's Not About the 'Chicken' ... It's the Heart of God for the Family

[Poohbear]

Edited: Shimmie addressed it in a much better way than I did.

Aww man, I wanted to read your response though Belle Du Jour

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie - You are not my mother to tell me what not to do. I did not do anything wrong. I am being respectful and I am not mistreating her. Get out here with your petty accusations.

I asked her a simple question. She mentioned how she does not support anything against God, so I asked if she commits sin because any other sin is against God too. Homosexuality isn't the only sin against God. That's the point I am trying to make. And please, do not respond to this post. I'm not going to allow you to instigate with me and make MrsHaseeb feel a certain way about my reply to her.

Pooh if you were my child..... Thank God you're not.

Calm down. You're getting riled up unnecessarily.

 

[Poohbear]

Not every believer is given a burden for the same thing. Sometimes Christians, because something is not their focus or assignment, discourage other believers from doing and saying what they need to be doing and saying in obedience. John the Baptist was beheaded because he told Herod that his relationship with his brother's wife was sinful. That was John the Baptist's assignment, but notice that Jesus had nothing to say to Herod about it. It wasn't His assignment. That doesn't mean that John was wrong, it means he was being used differently.

Sometimes we can think that every Christian needs to have the same attitude toward everything that we do. The truth is that we see differently, have different gifts, different insights, and the Lord is using us differently. So, unless there's a specific word of rebuke or correction for a specific sin, I think Jesus' words to Peter about John apply, "...what is it to you? You follow Me." And Paul's, "Each one must bear his own load."

nicola.kirwan - You're right. However, this is also true for people who want others to join the anti-gay marriage ban wagon to the extreme.

I'm against gay marriage but I'm not about to spend my wheels about it and join all these anti-gay rallies and events. For some odd reason, I just don't believe it will ever be legalized. Just let go and let God be in control of whatever happens.

But like you said, I know everyone has a different focus or assignment. We should not let our focus on someone elses' sinful desires be taken off the will of God. While our hearts and minds should be against sin, there's no way to physically stop others from sinning in this world.

 

[LucieLoo12]

@nicola.kirwan - You're right. However, this is also true for people who want others to join the anti-gay marriage ban wagon to the extreme.

I'm against gay marriage but I'm not about to spend my wheels about it and join all these anti-gay rallies and events. For some odd reason, I just don't believe it will ever be legalized. Just let go and let God be in control of whatever happens.

But like you said, I know everyone has a different focus or assignment. We should not let our focus on someone elses' sinful desires be taken off the will of God. While our hearts and minds should be against sin, there's no way to physically stop others from sinning in this world.

I agree with the post. @Poohbear




We can not stop people from sinning. I don't have the "Let's save the world" mindset. Like Jesus said, "I've only come for the lost sheep of Israel". He also said that he prays not for the world. Now I can't not look at someone by face value to see if they are a sheep of God, i don't do that. But only God knows who belongs to Him. All I do is witness and be an example of the believer. People want the world to get better,but the world is not going to get better...it's just not .THINGS are only going to get WORSE, the BIBLE says it. WE ARE IN THE END TIMES. All the things that are happening now are only a fulfillment of scripture. As a believer, our job is not to change the world, but we are called to preach the gospel so the lost sheep can come to Jesus. We are to warn people about the judgement ahead.

No I do not believe in gay marriage, but I do believe the law for gay marriage will be passed. Why? Because the bible says in the last days, it will be WORSE than it was than in Sodom and Gomorrah. We think this is bad? We haven't seen nothing yet. Just watch

Now I am not going to condemn any Christian who is actively involved in the political scene, but I don't think the Christian that is not involved should be either. I don't fight by holding up signs and saying what laws needs to change, but I fight by telling the people I know about the word of God. Telling them the deceits of the enemy, and how to be free from sin. I did like the things Chik Fil A, but thats the furthest I could see myself going with this, unless God tells me otherwise.

I hate the fact the gay marriage thing is trying to be passed....but our weapons are not carnal....

 

[Poohbear]

LucieLoo12 at the smiley face taking cover in the well!

You're right. We haven't seen nothing yet. I think it was interesting that you believe the gay marriage law will be passed based on how the Bible mentions things getting worse here on Earth as time progresses. I never thought of it that way at first as it pertains to this gay marriage issue.

 

[SummerSolstice]

Poohbear
i don't think anyone in this thread thinks that gay sin is any worse than any other sin. we are talking about this particular sin in this thread.
if you would like, i posted a thread about contentment earlier, and we can discuss jealousy and adultery in that one... or all the other sins in every other thread.

i have come to understand that opposing gay marriage is more about watching society fall... it is an obvious symptom of the disease that is in our country. more obvious than the divorce rates, HIV levels, starving people... it is most obvious because the participants are being SO LOUD about it. they will not cease until they get what they want. I think that is the difference when compared to other sins.

 

[Poohbear]

Poohbear
i don't think anyone in this thread thinks that gay sin is any worse than any other sin. we are talking about this particular sin in this thread.
if you would like, i posted a thread about contentment earlier, and we can discuss jealousy and adultery in that one... or all the other sins in every other thread.

i have come to understand that opposing gay marriage is more about watching society fall... it is an obvious symptom of the disease that is in our country. more obvious than the divorce rates, HIV levels, starving people... it is most obvious because the participants are being SO LOUD about it. they will not cease until they get what they want. I think that is the difference when compared to other sins.

SummerSolstice - I see what you're saying. I'm really not trying to bring other sins into this particular thread. I mentioned other sin to make a point really.

However, I also believe the media puts alot of hype on this gay marriage issue to distract Christians from everything else. I believe the media makes this gay rights issue bigger than it really is. I could be wrong, that's just my take on it all.

 

[LucieLoo12]

Well its not prophecy or nothing ...

Poohbear
But I believe that because of how far we as a nation have drifted from the teachings of Christ....gay literature is in our schools? Some states have already pass the law for it? Our current president has mentioned he is for gay marriage? The LGBT movement has enforced so many "discrimation" laws as it is. So what's really stopping it from happening. I am not saying it will happen next year, but I can defintely see it happening.

@LucieLoo12 at the smiley face taking cover in the well!

You're right. We haven't seen nothing yet. I think it was interesting that you believe the gay marriage law will be passed based on how the Bible mentions things getting worse here on Earth as time progresses. I never thought of it that way at first as it pertains to this gay marriage issue.

 

[Shimmie]

Poohbear
i don't think anyone in this thread thinks that gay sin is any worse than any other sin. we are talking about this particular sin in this thread.
if you would like, i posted a thread about contentment earlier, and we can discuss jealousy and adultery in that one... or all the other sins in every other thread.

i have come to understand that opposing gay marriage is more about watching society fall... it is an obvious symptom of the disease that is in our country. more obvious than the divorce rates, HIV levels, starving people... it is most obvious because the participants are being SO LOUD about it. they will not cease until they get what they want. I think that is the difference when compared to other sins.

Excellent point regarding divorce rates; the ills of homosexuality is exceeding divorce. This is not to validate divorce nor any other sin, it's just a fact that homosexality has grave consequences which are being ignored and when something is ignored, in most cases, it becomes worse.

 

[Galadriel]

I don't think people REALLY understand what's at stake here and how marriage and families are under attack. Marriage is so much deeper than a piece of paper or a million dollar wedding. It is a covenant in which a man and a woman enter before God almighty and they become one. They are a team. Their relationship with God symbolizes the trinitarian God-head. I mean, think about that. Isn't that just DEEP??? It boggles my mind the God in His goodness allowed humans to experience something on Earth that parallels His divinity.

Marriage is a sacrament, a mystery, a spiritual thing. Jesus' first public miracle was at a wedding at Cana. Do you think that was a coincidence? Just giving gays the right to get married and say they can call it marriage but it's not really marriage won't cut it. We're basically telling God His Word is not good enough in 2012 and we need to finesse the meaning to satiate a segment of society. Oh no, I don't think so.

What's really going on in 2012? Why is it so hard for Christian men and women to find each other? Why are Christians struggling with fornication, adultery and pornography? Why do women insist on wearing immodest clothing? Why is everything hypersexualized? Why are books like 50 Shades of Gray considered normal? Why is chastity devalued and mocked?

The simple answer--we are under serious attack. The devil knows that if he can totally decimate the family and prevent Christians from raising future Christians, then he's winning. So many Christian women and men want to honor God in the vocation of marriage and raise Christian children but it's becoming increasingly difficult. We need to do some serious fasting/prayer about marriage in general, not just as it pertains to homosexuality. Marriage is very much in danger.

You've spoken truly.

 

[Poohbear]

I don't think people REALLY understand what's at stake here and how marriage and families are under attack. Marriage is so much deeper than a piece of paper or a million dollar wedding. It is a covenant in which a man and a woman enter before God almighty and they become one. They are a team. Their relationship with God symbolizes the trinitarian God-head. I mean, think about that. Isn't that just DEEP??? It boggles my mind the God in His goodness allowed humans to experience something on Earth that parallels His divinity.

Marriage is a sacrament, a mystery, a spiritual thing. Jesus' first public miracle was at a wedding at Cana. Do you think that was a coincidence? Just giving gays the right to get married and say they can call it marriage but it's not really marriage won't cut it. We're basically telling God His Word is not good enough in 2012 and we need to finesse the meaning to satiate a segment of society. Oh no, I don't think so.

What's really going on in 2012? Why is it so hard for Christian men and women to find each other? Why are Christians struggling with fornication, adultery and pornography? Why do women insist on wearing immodest clothing? Why is everything hypersexualized? Why are books like 50 Shades of Gray considered normal? Why is chastity devalued and mocked?

The simple answer--we are under serious attack. The devil knows that if he can totally decimate the family and prevent Christians from raising future Christians, then he's winning. So many Christian women and men want to honor God in the vocation of marriage and raise Christian children but it's becoming increasingly difficult. We need to do some serious fasting/prayer about marriage in general, not just as it pertains to homosexuality. Marriage is very much in danger.

Belle Du Jour - Good post!

Plus, we must also realize that the sins done within heterosexual marriages give way to the opportunity for homosexuals to rally for a lawful marriage.

These homosexuals see heterosexuals acting any kind of way in a marriage, they feel like "why can't we have the same benefits too?"

 

[Poohbear]

Excellent point regarding divorce rates; the ills of homosexuality is exceeding divorce. This is not to validate divorce nor any other sin, it's just a fact that homosexality has grave consequences which are being ignored and when something is ignored, in most cases, it becomes worse.

I disagree. I hear more about heterosexual divorces than homosexuals desiring marriage.

I believe all sins can have grave consequences. I also believe the consequences of homosexuality are not being ignored. If they were, everyone would be in agreement to support their agenda.

 

[naturalgyrl5199]

Christian values is one thing....donating to subtle-racist organizations that disguise themselves as super conservatives with Christian conservative valuesn that continue to keep minorities down is another.

I will support Christian values in other ways.

I like the food don't get me wrong, but the more I look into what this company's CEO uses his personal profits to contribute to...umm I see the light.

 

[BostonMaria]

Christian values is one thing....donating to subtle-racist organizations that disguise themselves as super conservatives with Christian conservative valuesn that continue to keep minorities down is another.

I will support Christian values in other ways.

I like the food don't get me wrong, but the more I look into what this company's CEO uses his personal profits to contribute to...umm I see the light.

Steve Jobs donated to organizations that support gay marriage and he was very vocal about his liberal views and values. Wouldn't it be the same thing? Why does the Chick-Fil-A CEO get attacked and called a bigot while Steve Jobs was seen as a hero? Not a real question for you, but it just goes to show you how things have changed in America.

And of course homosexuality isn't the only sin in the world. I'm sure I sinned the second I stepped out the door today. The only difference is nobody is celebrating my sin and I am not telling anyone to legalize it. Its up to me to repent and not do that sin anymore.

 

[Galadriel]

I wish some of you could really see and open your mind to what @divya is saying in her posts. Put aside your anger and bitterness for gay people and see what's really going on.

I think divya explained her thoughts on the matter very well, and I've always respected her (still do!) and she's always a pleasure to speak with. However disagreeing with her does not mean we are unable to see where she's coming from. Also, please don't assume we harbor anger or bitterness.

Being in support of a ban on gay marriage isn't going to save you from the lake of fire or the wrath of God. It's not going to make you any more right with God nor closer to God.

If I support something (by word or deed) that God has revealed as sinful, then that definitely has an effect on my relationship with Him, because I am contradicting God and saying what He has declared as sin is not sin. How can I then be united and of one accord with God and His Word?

If you have sin in your heart, what makes you any better than a gay person?

I don't recall anyone saying she was better, but is it not true that a person must repent of ALL sin, including homosexuality?

Unmarried couples are allowed to shack up, how come gays can't get married? (this is a rhetorical question to ponder upon, not one to literally answer).

Your rhetorical question is illogical. People commit adultery, so how come a threesome can't get married?
One sin doesn't justify another--it's all sin.

How can you be so so SO strongly against gays getting married when you are not free of sin yourself?

Our standard of morally supporting or standing against something doesn't come from ourselves, but from God. God, who is perfect, has declared that homosexuality (like fornication, adultery, etc.) is immoral. God ordained that a man should marry a woman in the covenant of marriage.

Most of you support the sinning Christian concept that "nobody's perfect" and "everyone will sin til they die" but yet, you act like homosexuality is the only sin in the world. How can you possibly feel that way and feel okay about it?

I believe if you die with unrepented mortal sin on your soul, you descend immediately into Hell for eternity.

And let's take a look at the sovereignty of God... are you all trying to overrule his power and authority over the occurrences on this Earth? Are you trying to take control desiring to be "mini-gods" in order to support something that's really a distraction to what's really going on in the world? Satan wants you to be mad and angry at the desires of the homosexual. He wants you to pick on others while ignoring your own actions. And look... gay marriage isn't even institutionalized like abortion and divorce. You cannot control the affairs of this world. Only God can. He ordained everything that happens.

God calls us to be the salt of the earth, we are His prophets, priests, and kings. We are His Body, His bride...and we are to teach and defend what He has revealed to us. When Jesus Christ returns to judge the living and the dead, He's not just going to judge Christians--He will judge ALL men, which means ALL men are subject to God's moral and spiritual truths. His Church has the responsibility to teach these truths and spread the Gospel throughout the world.

 

[naturalgyrl5199]

Steve Jobs donated to organizations that support gay marriage and he was very vocal about his liberal views and values. Wouldn't it be the same thing? Why does the Chick-Fil-A CEO get attacked and called a bigot while Steve Jobs was seen as a hero? Not a real question for you, but it just goes to show you how things have changed in America.

And of course homosexuality isn't the only sin in the world. I'm sure I sinned the second I stepped out the door today. The only difference is nobody is celebrating my sin and I am not telling anyone to legalize it. Its up to me to repent and not do that sin anymore.

Good point. Gay marriage will do what to America if it's legalized? God will still reign, and life won't stop

You are so on point...we have to repent and worry about our own sin!

Policies that take away and reduce the rights of men and women---especially minorities are at risk.

The day the announcement hit me and my family were chowing down on Chik-fil-A cause it's good and customer service is best. But I don't think it's prudent for us to go all out and make a big deal about their support and position because it was never anything new. LGBT is dumb because IMO they set the Cathy's up by asking that dumb rhetorical question.....

But we have to be careful who we support just because they cry "Christian"

Satan knows scripture as well as any other. Better than some who are saved. Even God said people will try to represent him who are not truly all about HIM.

JMHO.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

ETA: According to the scriptures here, if you are a believer in Jesus Christ, and you choose to not care about other people's sins and only worry about our own sins, then it goes against God's Word....that's scary.

FYI ^^^

I had to copy and paste this because it was too much for me to type out the scriptures. (from Bible Gateway)

Jude 1

1 [a] Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of [b]James,
To those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: 2 May mercy and peace and love be multiplied to you. 3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the [c]saints. 4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand [d] marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

5 Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that [e]the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, [f]subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after [g]strange flesh, are exhibited as an [h] example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.8 Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile [i]angelic majesties. 9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “ The Lord rebuke you!”

10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are [j]destroyed. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay [k]they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. 12 These are the men who are [l]hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, [m]doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own [n]shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the [o]black darkness has been reserved forever.

14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “ Behold, the Lord came with [p]many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” 16 These are grumblers, finding fault, following after their own lusts; [q]they speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage.

Keep Yourselves in the Love of God

17 But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 that they were saying to you, “ In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19 These are the ones who cause divisions, [r] worldly-minded, [s]devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and [t]forever. Amen.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Love, love, love how you explained this

I think @divya explained her thoughts on the matter very well, and I've always respected her (still do!) and she's always a pleasure to speak with. However disagreeing with her does not mean we are unable to see where she's coming from. Also, please don't assume we harbor anger or bitterness.



If I support something (by word or deed) that God has revealed as sinful, then that definitely has an effect on my relationship with Him, because I am contradicting God and saying what He has declared as sin is not sin. How can I then be united and of one accord with God and His Word?



I don't recall anyone saying she was better, but is it not true that a person must repent of ALL sin, including homosexuality?



Your rhetorical question is illogical. People commit adultery, so how come a threesome can't get married?
One sin doesn't justify another--it's all sin.



Our standard of morally supporting or standing against something doesn't come from ourselves, but from God. God, who is perfect, has declared that homosexuality (like fornication, adultery, etc.) is immoral. God ordained that a man should marry a woman in the covenant of marriage.



I believe if you die with unrepented mortal sin on your soul, you descend immediately into Hell for eternity.



God calls us to be the salt of the earth, we are His prophets, priests, and kings. We are His Body, His bride...and we are to teach and defend what He has revealed to us. When Jesus Christ returns to judge the living and the dead, He's not just going to judge Christians--He will judge ALL men, which means ALL men are subject to God's moral and spiritual truths. His Church has the responsibility to teach these truths and spread the Gospel throughout the world.

 

[Shimmie]

Good point.

Gay marriage will do what to America if it's legalized? God will still reign, and life won't stop

You are so on point...we have to repent and worry about our own sin!

Policies that take away and reduce the rights of men and women---especially minorities are at risk.

The day the announcement hit me and my family were chowing down on Chik-fil-A cause it's good and customer service is best. But I don't think it's prudent for us to go all out and make a big deal about their support and position because it was never anything new. LGBT is dumb because IMO they set the Cathy's up by asking that dumb rhetorical question.....

But we have to be careful who we support just because they cry "Christian"

Satan knows scripture as well as any other. Better than some who are saved. Even God said people will try to represent him who are not truly all about HIM.

JMHO.

We have to be extremely careful with this attitude that gay marriage is harrmless.

What about the children? What about the dangers of this lifestyle? And there are numerous and serious dangers of the gay lifestyle.

The CDC --- The Center for Disease Control has extensive research and facts (not guesses) of the multiple health risks involved with this lifestyle.

Young children are having their souls and precious minds invaded with homosexality in the very schools parents have enrolled them in. What does a five year old know about sex? There is absolutely no way to explain homosexuality without a child asking questions and 'seeking' and experimenting with the answers.

What about the children? Should they be subjected to this at the risk of losing their souls, being taught and having it illustrated that a gay couple is normal and is okay to live that way?

What about the children? Who precious minds being programmed to accept the gay lifestyle and not see it as sin? These children grow up and many will enter into that lifestyle and may sadly die within it and lose God.

It was mentioned upwards and in serveral other threads/posts and facebook/twitter, ect. that Dan Cathy (Chickfila) supports hate groups?

That's not true. A group that honours the family is a hate group? This is a smoke screen in hopes to divert people from the truth. It's 'parroting' the hate attacks from the gays and their supporters. It also shows their lack of knowledge and it's hypocritical. How many supporters do they have? Ummmmm quite a 'many'... yes quite a many...

I have to say this. God is not playing games with those who think this issue is a joke and that they can continue to falsely accuse Christians of being evil when they are supporting the Word of God.

Hate groups???? .... because they choose God over sin?

Jehovah Mispah... Our God of Justice is not playing games.

BTW: No contention towards you naturalgyrl5199 ... not at all. Folks are lying and it needs to stop.

 

[MrsHaseeb]

MrsHaseeb - Do you commit sin at all?

Homosexuality isn't the only sin in the bible.

Are you even serious with this question?! I'm not perfect. And this thread isn't about every other thing in the Bible its about gay marriage so I responded accordingly. When my life doesn't line up according to God's Word I can't change the Word I have to change me. Some of y'all really make me laugh with these ridiculous comments. This should be about daily growth in Christ. Just because I'm not perfect doesn't mean I'm supposed to agree with gay marriage or support it.

Sent from my 4G HTC Thunderbolt using LHCF

 

[Nice & Wavy]

We have to be extremely careful with this attitude that gay marriage is harrmless.

What about the children? What about the dangers of this lifestyle? And there are numerous and serious dangers of the gay lifestyle.

The CDC --- The Center for Disease Control has extensive research and facts (not guesses) of the multiple health risks involved with this lifestyle.

Young children are having their souls and precious minds invaded with homosexality in the very schools parents have enrolled them in. What does a five year old know about sex? There is absolutely no way to explain homosexuality without a child asking questions and 'seeking' and experimenting with the answers.

What about the children? Should they be subjected to this at the risk of losing their souls, being taught and having it illustrated that a gay couple is normal and is okay to live that way?

What about the children? Who precious minds being programmed to accept the gay lifestyle and not see it as sin? These children grow up and many will enter into that lifestyle and may sadly die within it and lose God.

It was mentioned upwards and in serveral other threads/posts and facebook/twitter, ect. that Dan Cathy (Chickfila) supports hate groups?

That's not true. A group that honours the family is a hate group? This is a smoke screen in hopes to divert people from the truth.

I have to say this. God is not playing games with those who think this issue is a joke and that they can continue to falsely accuse Christians of being evil when they are supporting the Word of God.

Hate groups???? .... because they choose God over sin?

Jehovah Mispah... Our God of Justice

is not playing games.

Yes ma'am....yes He is!

 

[Galadriel]

Thank you, this aptly describes what we're struggling against.

FYI ^^^

I had to copy and paste this because it was too much for me to type out the scriptures. (from Bible Gateway)

Jude 1

1 [a] Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of [b]James,
To those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: 2 May mercy and peace and love be multiplied to you. 3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the [c]saints. 4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand [d] marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

5 Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that [e]the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, [f]subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after [g]strange flesh, are exhibited as an [h] example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.8 Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile [i]angelic majesties. 9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “ The Lord rebuke you!”

10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are [j]destroyed. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay [k]they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. 12 These are the men who are [l]hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, [m]doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own [n]shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the [o]black darkness has been reserved forever.

14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “ Behold, the Lord came with [p]many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” 16 These are grumblers, finding fault, following after their own lusts; [q]they speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage.

Keep Yourselves in the Love of God

17 But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 that they were saying to you, “ In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19 These are the ones who cause divisions, [r] worldly-minded, [s]devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and [t]forever. Amen.

 

[Laela]

Aw man, THANKS BUTTON is just not enough....

I don't think people REALLY understand what's at stake here and how marriage and families are under attack. Marriage is so much deeper than a piece of paper or a million dollar wedding. It is a covenant in which a man and a woman enter before God almighty and they become one. They are a team. Their relationship with God symbolizes the trinitarian God-head. I mean, think about that. Isn't that just DEEP??? It boggles my mind the God in His goodness allowed humans to experience something on Earth that parallels His divinity.

Marriage is a sacrament, a mystery, a spiritual thing. Jesus' first public miracle was at a wedding at Cana. Do you think that was a coincidence? Just giving gays the right to get married and say they can call it marriage but it's not really marriage won't cut it. We're basically telling God His Word is not good enough in 2012 and we need to finesse the meaning to satiate a segment of society. Oh no, I don't think so.

What's really going on in 2012? Why is it so hard for Christian men and women to find each other? Why are Christians struggling with fornication, adultery and pornography? Why do women insist on wearing immodest clothing? Why is everything hypersexualized? Why are books like 50 Shades of Gray considered normal? Why is chastity devalued and mocked?

The simple answer--we are under serious attack. The devil knows that if he can totally decimate the family and prevent Christians from raising future Christians, then he's winning. So many Christian women and men want to honor God in the vocation of marriage and raise Christian children but it's becoming increasingly difficult. We need to do some serious fasting/prayer about marriage in general, not just as it pertains to homosexuality. Marriage is very much in danger.

 

[MrsHaseeb]

Shimmie - You are not my mother to tell me what not to do. I did not do anything wrong. I am being respectful and I am not mistreating her. Get out here with your petty accusations.

I asked her a simple question. She mentioned how she does not support anything against God, so I asked if she commits sin because any other sin is against God too. Homosexuality isn't the only sin against God. That's the point I am trying to make. And please, do not respond to this post. I'm not going to allow you to instigate with me and make MrsHaseeb feel a certain way about my reply to her.

Well I read this after I responded to your first question directed at me. I have stated in a couple of threads that I have struggled with sexual sins. Now.. I am against it because I realize why Gods word is against it. And I'm against gay marriage because I realize that there is an agenda to make people accept a norm that is against the Word of God. Just because I am not perfect and my old nature tries to flare up occasionally does not mean I should support or agree with fornication. Its still wrong. Look what it has done to society. Family ministry is my passion and also I know there are plenty people out there who don't want to be gay! People need to know there is deliverance but this whole gay agenda is attempting to shut us up and make people content in that life style. Well guess what! I don't plan to ever close my mouth about it. My good friend has a 9 year old son who was molested by a male cousin of no fault of his own and now struggles with it. He needs to know God can deliver him, not be forced to accept a norm that gay is ok!

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[Nice & Wavy]

This right here....right on!!!

I was telling my sister this recently.

We focus so much on marriage as a personal desire that it is overlooked as a fundamental part of God's created order. Marriage is not mainly about getting what we want, but about conforming our lives to the pattern the Lord laid out for us, which is really for our good.

"Thus says the Lord: 'Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’" Jeremiah 6:16

It's interesting that the Lord says, "ask for the ancient paths," meaning that we've lost them, don't know where they are. We have to ask to be guided into His pattern and order for our lives. @momi has a blog that I often think of when reading this verse.

 

[BostonMaria]

Good point. Gay marriage will do what to America if it's legalized? God will still reign, and life won't stop

You are so on point...we have to repent and worry about our own sin!

Policies that take away and reduce the rights of men and women---especially minorities are at risk.

The day the announcement hit me and my family were chowing down on Chik-fil-A cause it's good and customer service is best. But I don't think it's prudent for us to go all out and make a big deal about their support and position because it was never anything new. LGBT is dumb because IMO they set the Cathy's up by asking that dumb rhetorical question.....

But we have to be careful who we support just because they cry "Christian"

Satan knows scripture as well as any other. Better than some who are saved. Even God said people will try to represent him who are not truly all about HIM.

JMHO.

Loved your post

And you're right about who we support. I don't usually go running for stuff like this (not sure if that's bad or good) and honestly I've only been to this restaurant 3 times in my entire life. I just didn't want to see thousands of people get laid off. These would be Christian, gay, Muslim, atheist, etc employees. In this economy nobody should lose their jobs due to the personal feelings of the CEO.

 

[Shimmie]

Yes ma'am....yes He is!

Indeed He is... Our God of Justice...

Precious Wavy... upwards in Belle Du Jour 's awesome post. She made such a resounding Truth that it drove into my spirit and made me repent for not allowing God to speak it through me ....

Belle shared that the purpose of Marriage is for God; for Christians to raise their children the future generation of More Christians.

Sis you and hubby have shared this in your Ministry for years...and I have to repent for putting it out there. I wasn't listening. I've been so focused on the healing side of marriages, that I didn't grasped this vital purpose for Marriage between a man and a woman under God. I am soooo serious.

You and Pastor 'A' have shared this all the time and Belle posted that this is what the enemy is out to stop.

Praise God....

If satan can continue to deceive folks (namely Christians) that gay marriage is okay then it will hinder children... the future generations of children from developing into God's Truth and limit the growth of another general of True Believers and Followers of God's Word... Jesus Christ our Lord who IS the Word who lives on the inside of us.

Glory to God....Glory to God... Glory to God GLORY To GOD ...

gay parents are NOT going to teach their children that living gay is sin. Their generation will grow up to live that lie and lose their souls. And the gay agenda isn't satisfied with influencing their own children. They are invading the schools with propaganda to molest the minds of young children with this sin, and having parents arrested for speaking against it.

It's in the news... a man was arrested for taking his child out of school to protect him from a class that he was not pre-informed regarding homosexuality.

The devil is a liar... and will not prevail. Oh no he will not.

I remember Laela putting clarity on scripture (a while back) which begins with 'IF possible...." It is only 'if' possible that satan will succeed. God's Word says..... Nala...

 

[Nice & Wavy]

We only have to look and see the uproar about marriage to know how important it is to God's heart and that's why satan is so adamant to destroy God's plan for the family. But, glory to the Most High God, who IS living forever more...satan lose..hallelujah!!!!!!!!

@Belle Du Jour post was awesome indeed.

Indeed He is... Our God of Justice...

Precious Wavy... upwards in @Belle Du Jour 's awesome post. She made such a resounding Truth that it drove into my spirit and made me repent for not allowing God to speak it through me ....

Belle shared that the purpose of Marriage is for God; for Christians to raise their children the future generation of More Christians.

Sis you and hubby have shared this in your Ministry for years...and I have to repent for putting it out there. I wasn't listening. I've been so focused on the healing side of marriages, that I didn't grasped this vital purpose for Marriage between a man and a woman under God. I am soooo serious.

You and Pastor 'A' have shared this all the time and Belle posted that this is what the enemy is out to stop.

Praise God....

If satan can continue to deceive folks (namely Christians) that gay marriage is okay then it will hinder children... the future generations of children from developing into God's Truth and limit the growth of another general of True Believers and Followers of God's Word... Jesus Christ our Lord who IS the Word who lives on the inside of us.

Glory to God....Glory to God... Glory to God GLORY To GOD ...

gay parents are NOT going to teach their children that living gay is sin. Their generation will grow up to live that lie and lose their souls. And the gay agenda isn't satisfied with influencing their own children. They are invading the schools with propaganda to molest the minds of young children with this sin, and having parents arrested for speaking against it.

It's in the news... a man was arrested for taking his child out of school to protect him from a class that he was not pre-informed regarding homosexuality.

The devil is a liar... and will not prevail. Oh no he will not.

I remember @Laela putting clarity on scripture (a while back) which begins with 'IF possible...." It is only 'if' possible that satan will succeed. God's Word says..... Nala...

 

[MrsHaseeb]

And another thing.... People kill me with this whole argument about worrying about your own sins and not the sins of others. I have to disagree. That's not to say we need to go around forcing our beliefs on others and preaching to them but it should be a life lead that draws people to Christ. There is a loving way to be vocal about the fact that we are against certain things. We can speak the truth in love, we don't have to sit back and shut up as if it doesn't matter...

Matthew 28:19 NIV

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

If we are supposed to disciple the nations why are we convinced that the way to do that is by sitting back and shutting up and staying in the church? That's why things have gotten out of hand. The real children of God are holed up in the church instead of preaching the gospel of God's kingdom to a dying world. "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven" This saddens me. Why can't we see the enemy has an agenda? Why are we so ignorant of his devices.

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[Nice & Wavy]

The scripture that I posted above ^^^ shows that we are to snatch people out of the fire, hating even the garments produced by the flesh. The book of Jude says it all.

And another thing.... People kill me with this whole argument about worrying about your own sins and not the sins of others. I have to disagree. That's not to say we need to go around forcing our beliefs on others and preaching to them but it should be a life lead that draws people to Christ. There is a loving way to be vocal about the fact that we are against certain things. We can speak the truth in love, we don't have to sit back and shut up as if it doesn't matter...

Matthew 28:19 NIV

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

If we are supposed to disciple the nations why are we convinced that the way to do that is by sitting back and shutting up and staying in the church? That's why things have gotten out of hand. The real children of God are holed up in the church instead of preaching the gospel of God's kingdom to a dying world. "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven" This saddens me. Why can't we see the enemy has an agenda? Why are we so ignorant of his devices.

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