Is It Really Love?

Blessed_Angel

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We all know someone who is or was in a relationship with a man that treated them less than decent.

Now, if you're with a man that "ain't no good" and has nothing to offer you, and you're an independant woman that holds her own, why stay? I often hear the woman say that they love their man. Well, if you don't have many good things to say about him (or he's giving you more hurting than loving), what is really there to love?

I know a woman who stayed with a man for over a decade. They never married; but had a child together. He never took her out in public (we heard he was embarrassed by her appearance), he always cheated on her (and she knew about these women). When she got him a job, he rarely paid the bills, and she always had a complaint against him. He still isn't active in his child's life. When they lived together, he would just yell at the child. She speaks of how ignorant he is...and cannot have an intelluctual conversation with him. I wondered why she stayed; she says she loves him. He was the one who left her :rolleyes:...and years later, he has moved on, but she's still stuck on what he's doing with his new family. :rolleyes: I bet she would take him back if he wanted to come back.

So, I ask, is it really love? Or could be lack of love for oneself? Or could it be both? Good sex is not enough to make a woman fall in love with a man, so what could it be? I think it's a lack of self love.

What is your take on this?
 
It's self hatred, plain and simple. I don't get emotional support. And I don't even get good sex. And I'm realizing that it's still something deep within me that I need to work on.

My mother is this woman you are describing. Twice married. Twice divorced. And she hasn't learned her lesson yet. She's been with this man now for over 10 years. He gives her nothing. And yet she's with him because she doesn't want to be alone. I understand her fully. I truly do. But she's unhappy. I don't want to end up like her. And I don't want to end up with the woman you speak of in your post.

I'm trying to make that change within. ;)
 
It's self hatred, plain and simple. I don't get emotional support. And I don't even get good sex. And I'm realizing that it's still something deep within me that I need to work on.

My mother is this woman you are describing. Twice married. Twice divorced. And she hasn't learned her lesson yet. She's been with this man now for over 10 years. He gives her nothing. And yet she's with him because she doesn't want to be alone. I understand her fully. I truly do. But she's unhappy. I don't want to end up like her. And I don't want to end up with the woman you speak of in your post.

I'm trying to make that change within. ;)

Man, the sex ain't even good? Girl, let him go now! :lachen:I know another lady who stayed with a guy for over 3 years and he never even had the big "O". I was like, what? So what are you getting out the relationship? After their 2 minute sex session, he just leaves, and she hardly sees him. :rolleyes:

Girl, atleast you're recognizing what you have to work on. And you see the prime example in your mother; don't let it happen to you. Use this time that you are single, to spend the time to get to know and love you. That's what I did. Keep the faith that you'll find the right one with all the "right" stuff while making yourself the "right" one as well! :yep:
 
She's not in love. She has low-self esteem and is scared of starting over. She knew that they were not 'equally-yoked', yet she continued to accept his behavior. Allowing him to verbaly abuse the child should have been where the line was drawn; but no, she allowed him to stay until HE left HER! :nono: She's a mess. Remember too, some women like drama to complain about, but it all leads back to lack of love for self that you mentioned. I pray that the child doesn't follow in her footsteps.

Serenity, acknowledgment is the first step. Your moms isn't there yet, and at her age probably will never change; keep y a head up. :)
 
I think that "love" is a word that people throw around too easily... it's very overused!

I think it is too; but I think some of these women really think they love these men.

She's not in love. She has low-self esteem and is scared of starting over. She knew that they were not 'equally-yoked', yet she continued to accept his behavior. Allowing him to verbaly abuse the child should have been where the line was drawn; but no, she allowed him to stay until HE left HER! :nono: She's a mess. Remember too, some women like drama to complain about, but it all leads back to lack of love for self that you mentioned. I pray that the child doesn't follow in her footsteps.

Serenity, acknowledgment is the first step. Your moms isn't there yet, and at her age probably will never change; keep y a head up. :)

I totally agree. I could have sworn that one day she was gonna get tired and leave him, but he left her! And it was because she didn't wanna do something big he asked her to do. He was really mad because he couldn't use her in a new way anymore; so he left. And she still sitting around talking about how he don't love his girlfriend...we he obviously doesn't love you either; so why would you care? :wallbash: I know how she feels about herself, her actions shows it. But sometimes you want to believe that people will mean what they say. :lachen:

She has a son, so hopefully, he won't be a womanizer like his father.
 
Man, the sex ain't even good? Girl, let him go now! :lachen:I know another lady who stayed with a guy for over 3 years and he never even had the big "O". I was like, what? So what are you getting out the relationship?

Yeah, I know. I was too ashamed to admit it in the other threads. I actually think he has a problem. I stumbled on some Viagra while getting ready for work one day. I think a lot of men have this problem. The sex is so mechanical and detached. He got better as far as the passion and kissing, but he's still so cold to me afterwards. He just rolls over as if nothing ever happened. He never holds me, never asks if I enjoyed it.

Don't worry. It's over. Really, it is...:sad:
 
Yeah, I know. I was too ashamed to admit it in the other threads. I actually think he has a problem. I stumbled on some Viagra while getting ready for work one day. I think a lot of men have this problem. The sex is so mechanical and detached. He got better as far as the passion and kissing, but he's still so cold to me afterwards. He just rolls over as if nothing ever happened. He never holds me, never asks if I enjoyed it.

Don't worry. It's over. Really, it is...:sad:

Don't be ashamed. :nono: Your admission will release you and allow you to heal and move on while being a revelation for someone else.

OMG, that is awful. I could only imagine how YOU must feel afterwards. I can't stand a cold man! No emotion? Whatever issues he has, let him deal with them without you.

I remember seeing a guy over a decade ago, he was a cool guy. We were just friends with benefits (for almost 3 years), neither one of us wanted a relationship because we knew we were not compatible. The sex was pretty good (the first round), but he would still show me affection and he would hold me and stuff. And this guy is supposed to be your man? You don't need to convince yourself anymore; you know you deserve better. Only you can decide if you will give that to yoruself! :yep:

God bless
 
Well, we can choose to love whomever we want so I think it's definitely possible for women to love men who don't deserve them and/or don't love them in return.

Just because you love someone doesn't mean you should be with them. Love doesn't justify itself!
 
Well, we can choose to love whomever we want so I think it's definitely possible for women to love men who don't deserve them and/or don't love them in return.

Just because you love someone doesn't mean you should be with them. Love doesn't justify itself!

Well, I can understand that concept when it comes to immediate family members.

But in a relationship...how do you love someone who doesn't give you a reason to love?

Let's say you have a pet, a dog. Now people love their dogs because they give them love and affection. And dogs are consistent with it. Now, if you have a dog that doesn't greet you at the door, or wants to be next to you would you keep the dog? Everything we do in life is to get something out of it; good or bad. What is the good in having a dog that disobeys you when you walk him and doesn't listen nor show you any love? Wouldn't you think to get another dog? Or not have a pet at all?
 
I had to post this here for myself as much as for you ladies:

Letting Go of a Relationship…That Doesn’t Exist

There are two big questions hovering in the comments recently that pretty much amount to the same thing:

How do I let go of the guy that didn’t reciprocate my feelings?
How do I let go of the guy that I didn’t actually have a relationship with?
In essence, how do you let go of a one-sided attraction which in your mind has created a relationship out of…your feelings?

For a start, you can’t ‘break up’ when there is nothing to break up from. The only person you have to break up with is you and your rather overactive imagination and feelings.

The issue here isn’t really about ‘him’ as he’s not really part of the equation when you’ve created an illusion rather than keeping your feet in the real world - the issue is about you and the fact that you don’t want to let go of your feelings, your obsession, your drama.

There are four key reasons why these situations come about:

You are a queen of projection. You choose men that cater to your own negative self-fulfilling prophecy and are likely to leave you ‘crushing’ on them and then you project the feelings that you think you have on them and assume that because you think you feel a certain way about them, they should feel that way about you too. You want them to notice you, to see you in the way that you see them, and you conduct the great majority of this stuff in your head without communicating it to them and then wonder why they haven’t reciprocated your feelings.

You think that your feelings are big enough for the two of you. You lose all sense of proportion and become so consumed in how you feel that you want him to be swept up in all the love you have to give and that one day he’ll catch up to how you feel and return it. Trust me, they don’t.

You don’t actually want to be in a relationship. You’re living in a dream world and afraid of being rejected in the real world. In choosing men who are aloof and unlikely to be interested in you, you get to avoid having to be hurt in a way that you’re trying to avoid. Instead, you build sandcastles in the sky in your head and then feel rejected by your own daydreams because the reality is that you need some sort of inspiration for these illusions and he is not a part of your life. You’re very emotionally unavailable.

You don’t want to let go. As many of us have discovered, even if it’s the most toxic thing to continue feeling as we do or being involved with someone, we continue, not only because it’s a bit like ‘I’ve started so I’ll finish’ but also because even when there is nothing or it’s crap, we don’t want to let go.

We don’t want to get real with ourselves in case we find that we have something difficult or painful to look at, we don’t want to admit that we’re often creators of our own pain, and we certainly don’t want to admit that we’re letting go of something that didn’t exist, and if it did, it was for the most part in our heads.

Remember, it’s a bit difficult to make someone accountable for something that is a grand illusion in your head when you could have been making them accountable for real behaviours. Likewise, you can’t wonder why someone isn’t being and feeling what you want them to be when they’re not part of the relationship in your head.

These men end up acting as ‘inspiration’ for our latest round of feelings and it’s like they put some input in at the beginning and then we just take it from there, refusing to acknowledge whether they are even there or not and if they are behaving in line with what’s in our heads and if not, why not.

Quite frankly, any misery you are feeling is for the most part, your own creation because you are not interested in keeping your feet in reality and have been too busy wallowing in your own world. In doing this, you’re not seeing signs that you need to get real, and you’re not hearing signs that you need to get real. In fact, the person may have no clue that you are even interested in them, or if they do, they may have told you that they’re not interested and you switched to unreciprocated feelings mode and hovered there expecting him to see you in the way that you want to be seen and magically catch up with your feelings.

It doesn’t matter what they feel - you’re only interested in the fact that you feel what you feel and you want them to feel that too.

The thing is, from the moment that you recognise that you 1) are not having your feelings reciprocated and/or 2) that you’re not in a relationship with them, major warning signals should be going to your brain that there is something seriously wrong if you are still trying to get them to reciprocate and obsessing about them over an extended period of time.

It’s one thing to have a crush and it’s the other to crush the crap out of yourself in a self-destructive pursuit of pain and then blame it on someone else.

If you have made the choice to continue loving and chasing him with much of it taking place from your head as you wait for crumbs or nothing at all, you’re on a serious avoidance mission because it’s like you want to hide away on these self-created feelings of rejection rather than get out there in the real world and risk yourself in a real relationship.

Whilst I recognise that in some instances, we can be misled by a guy to believe that he feels more than he does, I tend to find that women who are in this situation are invariably in it because they decided that they were crazy about someone and don’t want to let that, and the fantasy go.

You’ve decided that you want him, love him, and to hell with it, you’ll find a way to show him that he should notice and love you too. You’re gonna ride this imaginary donkey of love till it collapses.

We’re back at the juncture again where we think that deciding that we love or feel something about someone creates an automatic IOU.

We’re also back at that juncture where we’re loving without any foundation for loving and then refusing to opt out because we don’t want to let go of the fantasy or the illusion and get real…and deal with our problems.

And trust me, if you’re doing this, you have some big issues to deal with because you’re engaging in incredibly self-destructive behaviour and repeatedly creating a rejection situation for yourself and then wondering why you’re in pain - because you did it, not him!

In all honesty, the only way that these situations end is when YOU end ‘it’. You don’t need to say anything because to be honest, I think some of these men would be a touch confused if you told them that something was over that they didn’t think had started.
Stop calling, stop chasing, stop texting, stop seeing a bread loaf when there is barely a crumb.

Stop waiting, stop hoping, stop projecting, stop the madness.

Stop creating drama and then wondering why you are miserable - as it’s all one sided, you are the master orchestrator of your own soap opera.

Commit to being in the real world. Take things at face value so when he doesn’t call, it’s because he doesn’t want to speak with you, not because he’s waiting for you to make a move. When you don’t hear from him for months, it’s not because you did something wrong that you need to figure out - it’s because you are not in a relationship and whilst you are daydreaming the crap out of your life, he is out there living his.

Yes that’s right living and if you spend your energy wanting men that don’t want you and then obsessing about why they don’t want you, your life will be at one mega grandstill.

If you point blank cannot accept that 1) it’s for the most part in your head, 2) if he doesn’t want you then it’s time to start learning to stop wanting him, 3) you’re creating your own drama and pain, then you must at least accept that you are 100% responsible for where you are now and that you don’t get to let yourself off the hook and blame him.

And then go and talk to someone because spending your life and brain time escaping from the real world whilst hurting yourself and not wanting that to change says that it’s time you spoke to someone and got to the heart of your issues.

But if you are at that point where you want to and can do something about this, don’t try to make things anymore complicated than they are because when you let go of something that doesn’t and didn’t exist, you have that power and are in the driving seat of what happens to you. Don’t make out like he has to do something to end this - you have to do something and cold turkey it out so that you can gain some real perspective and get to the heart of why you are engaging in this self-destructive behaviour so that you don’t go back.

Your thoughts?

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Well, I can understand that concept when it comes to immediate family members.

But in a relationship...how do you love someone who doesn't give you a reason to love?

Let's say you have a pet, a dog. Now people love their dogs because they give them love and affection. And dogs are consistent with it. Now, if you have a dog that doesn't greet you at the door, or wants to be next to you would you keep the dog? Everything we do in life is to get something out of it; good or bad. What is the good in having a dog that disobeys you when you walk him and doesn't listen nor show you any love? Wouldn't you think to get another dog? Or not have a pet at all?


Yeah, I think there is usually some other messed up stuff mixed in there. Like, the person thinks that this person has potential or will change, they make excuses for their behavior so as to not fully understand their character, they don't understand their own worth and what they rightly deserve from someone so their perception of "normalcy" is skewed, they don't think anything better actually exists and feel like they're being realistic, etc, etc.

Or, there's genuine unconditional love there for this person in spite of their faults (after all, we do have this for family members a lot of the time), but the woman doesn't get that just because she has love for this person that doesn't mean he is good for her to be in a relationship with.

She might have (for whatever reason) identified his opinion as the ultimate opinion of her worth and is constantly seeking his affirmation, holding out hope that he will one day give her that affirmation. She could have just decided (for whatever reason) that this man is the coolest thing ever and is caught up in her idea of him more than how he actually treats her.

It could be a lot of things. Feelings of love are tricky things and oftentimes shouldn't be trusted, imo. Love should be rational, too.
 
Yeah, I think there is usually some other messed up stuff mixed in there. Like, the person thinks that this person has potential or will change, they make excuses for their behavior so as to not fully understand their character, they don't understand their own worth and what they rightly deserve from someone so their perception of "normalcy" is skewed, they don't think anything better actually exists and feel like they're being realistic, etc, etc.

Or, there's genuine unconditional love there for this person in spite of their faults (after all, we do have this for family members a lot of the time), but the woman doesn't get that just because she has love for this person that doesn't mean he is good for her to be in a relationship with.

She might have (for whatever reason) identified his opinion as the ultimate opinion of her worth and is constantly seeking his affirmation, holding out hope that he will one day give her that affirmation. She could have just decided (for whatever reason) that this man is the coolest thing ever and is caught up in her idea of him more than how he actually treats her.

It could be a lot of things. Feelings of love are tricky things and oftentimes shouldn't be trusted, imo. Love should be rational, too.

That doesn't sound like love though. It sounds like she's just trying to get something out of him that she just can't get. But will keep trying.

Another question: Could you really love a man that you want to change? You're not even loving him for who he is, but what you want him to be. This same woman was trying to change her man into the man she wanted him to be. You can't turn a thug into a corporate Joe if he doesn't want to change. Is that love, or manipulation or hope?
 
That doesn't sound like love though. It sounds like she's just trying to get something out of him that she just can't get. But will keep trying.

Another question: Could you really love a man that you want to change? You're not even loving him for who he is, but what you want him to be. This same woman was trying to change her man into the man she wanted him to be. You can't turn a thug into a corporate Joe if he doesn't want to change. Is that love, or manipulation or hope?

I guess I think that love is just the desire to be with someone and wanting the best for them. Maybe if love is defined differently those situations wouldn't count.
 
I haven't read all the comment but I think that it is fear that allows some women to stay with a man not willing to love them.Fear of having failed at a relationship fear to start over,fear of aging alone and fear of the unknown.Fear that he is all I deserve,I don't deserve a better guy.Fear, Fear, Fear.men don't have as many limitation taught to them they can move on with ease and have been taught that it is alright t just move on startover.Women play this fantasy dream at times and when we find a man that isnt what we imagine then we work overime to try to change him instead of finding someone else.
 
lack of self love....

its easy to love the lovable....real love is when you can love the unlovable

and it starts with loving the "unlovable" within the self then you will love others the same and attract to you who love everything about you
 
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