Is Abortion Ever Allowable?

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You know PB...I'm really tired of you coming behind my posts in many threads and questioning my motives. I would appreciate it if you would leave me alone...if not, it will certainly ask that it be enforced.

Thank you.
Yeah right. If you were tired of me, you would have put me on ignore. I would suggest that you put me on ignore if you want it to be enforced. I'm free to comment and reply just like you. But I can tell you one thing, your motives are not Christ-like, and I'm not the only one noticing it...
 
And to NICE&WAVY, don't bother responding, you're on my ignore list, so I can no longer see your posts! Woo-hoo! Thank the Lord! Thank you Jesus! There's some sarcasm for ya! :rolleyes:
 
Yeah right. If you were tired of me, you would have put me on ignore. I would suggest that you put me on ignore if you want it to be enforced. I'm free to comment and reply just like you. But I can tell you one thing, your motives are not Christ-like, and I'm not the only one noticing it...
How would you know what being Christ-like is, Poohbear? The way you behave is childlike and worldly...and I'm not the only one noticing it.

I don't have to put you on ignore...why don't you just ignore any of my posts and we will be ok...ok?

Thank you.
 
CreolNat...I won't be responding anymore to your thread, as I was going to share something that the Lord has shown me, but I'm seeing that in doing so will bring out hostility in some:nono:

ETA: I know I just did, but I'm done now....going to pray.
 
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What a nice & lovely image:

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What a nice & lovely image:

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I know you will see this post, Poohbear and I just want to say that I'm praying for you, because apparently you are truly being tormented by the enemy. His plan is to totally destroy you and tear you apart. Don't allow him to do that to you, I'm sure there's more to you then beneath the eye.

:pray:
 
:rolleyes: Here we go...

Where did you get that I was saying that's something to be proud of? Like I said in my post, "I" felt that if the abortion wasn't absolutely life-threatening, then "I" don't understand why people are so quick to put this child through a procedure that in itself could do more harm than good. I thought the list was interesting b/c obviously this isn't the first case of this happenening, including this year. Also, I think it shows what the body CAN handle if necessary.

You need to get a grip and re-examine why you're so defensive. :confused:

Relax-Relate-Release

Im defensive cos I find the reasoning behind the list to be gross. Anything else?

Yea there are pre teens who are able to carry a child to term without problems..AND?

I like how you say the body can handle like everyone is the same. Sorry to break it to you but we're not ALL the same. What some people can handle, others can not. That shouldnt be hard to comprehend.

And I repeat 95% of those on that list were thru rape and incest..so if someone in such a situation were to decide NOT to go thru the pregnancy for reasons other than medical , like hm, NOT WANTING TO BE REMINDED OF SITUATION they were in, are you saying God will turn against them? Since some of you are there saying "God would be against this, God would be against that..so God wasnt against these girls that being molested by family members and raped by others then"??
 
I think she was posting that to show how there were young girls who had no problems giving birth to children, not as something to be proud of. It is sad that most of these cases were from rape and incest.

I know but still if some of these girls had decided to get an abortion instead of going thru labor carrying a demon seed then are they horrible people? Gonna burn in hell? what then and the list doesnt make sense cos no one said they were too young to give brth, it was said that some were warned NOT to due to complications

Ironically Im sure if there were to dig deeper, most of the girls on that list probably died AFTER child birth. I guess that's better to some.
 
You made a good point about hypocrisy. It goes to show you how there are so many factors that play into certain issues that are commonly debated.

And thanks for answering my question. And you know what? I can actually see how life begins when you're born. Just think about it... let's say someone is born December 25, 1934 and they die on December 25, 2004. No one says that the person lived to be 70 years old + the months he or she was in their mother's womb. ;)

But even the word "life" is defined in so many ways. There are definitions that support a baby having life inside the mother's womb. See here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/life

Anyone that says life does not begin at conception, please give me an example of anything that is growing but not living.
 
I know but still if some of these girls had decided to get an abortion instead of going thru labor carrying a demon seed then are they horrible people? Gonna burn in hell? what then and the list doesnt make sense cos no one said they were too young to give brth, it was said that some were warned NOT to due to complications

Ironically Im sure if there were to dig deeper, most of the girls on that list probably died AFTER child birth. I guess that's better to some.
Yeah, I also think it's odd how all these women had precocious puberty and then get pregnant. Is it like once a boy or man found out the little girl started puberty, they decided to have sex with the little girl and ejaculate inside of her? :perplexed
 
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Couple more pics of Lina Medina...

Dr. Lozada, Lina, and her 11-month-old son:
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Lina at age 33 in 1967:
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I believe that sometimes people get so warped up in Bible scriptures and stuff that they forget to look at the reality of the situation and think with common sense.

Everything is not black and white. What happened to the saying "God knows your heart?" He knows the reason why you're having the abortion, and that's all that matters. Have faith in that and make your decision as you see fit.

This 10 year-old should NOT be forced to have this baby. People are forgetting what this 10-year-old BABY will be going through if she has this child. You can sit behind a computer screen and give your judgements, but you are not the one that's 10 years-old and pregnant.

Sometimes all you have is faith when there seems to be nowhere else to go, but in this case, you actually have options. There is no way I would force my baby girl into giving birth to her rapist's child. I am so grateful that I am able to have an objective point-of-view on this issue.
 
Yeah right. If you were tired of me, you would have put me on ignore. I would suggest that you put me on ignore if you want it to be enforced. I'm free to comment and reply just like you. But I can tell you one thing, your motives are not Christ-like, and I'm not the only one noticing it...
Well said. There is nothing Christ-like about it. And as you pointed out earlier, if you are talking to the Lord, and not about anyone in this thread, why post it in the thread?

I think there is a scripture though about people praying out loud for the attention of others. And the scripture basically says God is not pleased with it or impressed.


It is attitudes like this that turn people off. And to say someone is acting child-like and worldly is too much.

Somebody needs to rethink their attitude and search their heart to discover their true motives.
 
Poohbear, whether a 5 year ld survived childbirth doesnt make her any better than those younger or older that decide NOT to go ahead with birth so sorry if Im not gonna applaud her or her family. She could deal with it, some others can not. Neither should be condemned for picking whatever option is best for them.

This 10 year-old should NOT be forced to have this baby. People are forgetting what this 10-year-old BABY will be going through if she has this child. You can sit behind a computer screen and give your judgements, but you are not the one that's 10 years-old and pregnant.

Sometimes all you have is faith when there seems to be nowhere else to go, but in this case, you actually have options. There is no way I would force my baby girl into giving birth to her rapist's child. I am so grateful that I am able to have an objective point-of-view on this issue.

Thank You. completely agree.
 
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I think there is a scripture though about people praying out loud for the attention of others. And the scripture basically says God is not pleased with it or impressed.

It is attitudes like this that turn people off. And to say someone is acting child-like and worldly is too much. .

nd when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

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Well, actually, I appreciate Nice & Wavy's response even though I don't agree with it. This is just discussion. Imagine the apostles trying to wrap their minds around the fact that God has a body and came in the form of a man. :blush: This is practically no different, attempting to apply scripture and determine what is permissible and what is not. But at least she actually CARES about those of us here in this thread. She is not taunting and provoking us.:nono:

We can all agree to disagree with respect and most of you have accomplished this.
 
Well, actually, I appreciate Nice & Wavy's response even though I don't agree with it. This is just discussion. Imagine the apostles trying to wrap their minds around the fact that God has a body and came in the form of a man. :blush: This is practically no different, attempting to apply scripture and determine what is permissible and what is not. But at least she actually CARES about those of us here in this thread. She is not taunting and provoking us.:nono:

We can all agree to disagree with respect and most of you have accomplished this.
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I don't see it as so much caring. I see it as a superiority thing and somewhat judgmental. I'm beginning to see a pattern with her responses.

But I think that we HAVE pretty much managed to agree or disagree in a respectful manner. :yep:
 
Poohbear, whether a 5 year ld survived childbirth doesnt make her any better than those younger or older that decide NOT to go ahead with birth so sorry if Im not gonna applaud her or her family. She could deal with it, some others can not. Neither should be condemned for picking whatever option is best for them.



Thank You. completely agree.
I agree with what you have said. No one is better than anyone. I was just posting pictures of the girl because I thought it was interesting to see.
 
seriously.... ya'll have gone really far from the issue at hand and are getting really upset and hostile over people you dont know. nobody is judging this little girl. nobody is damning her to hell. they just said whether they thought it was OK for her to get an abortion because of her circumstances. it's an opinion poll, people, not everyone has the same opinion as you. GET OVER IT! lol
some may feel like the WORD is very clear, i feel the same way, but everyone is entitled to their own interpretation, and they have to answer to God, not any1 else. so if someone feels that the Lord says it's ok to get an abortion, because God doesnt address it that's on THEM. if you disagree state your opinion and move on.

but this message prolly wont matter because i feel that this thread will die relatively soon. lol
 
and these are the abortion types i spoke of before. you can get an abortion all the way through, you just cant go get one anywhere.

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/unplannedpregnancy/abortionprocedures.html

What abortion procedures are used during the first trimester?


I've seen several presentations on the various procedures, but i didnt want to post pictures or anything graphic, cause thats not cool. if you want to see more you can google it yourself.
Methotrexate & Misoprostol (MTX): a medical abortion procedure used up to the first seven weeks of pregnancy.

Mifepristone and Misoprostol: a medical abortion procedure used up to the first seven to nine weeks of pregnancy. It is also referred to as RU-486, the abortion pill and Mifeprex.

Suction Aspiration: a surgical abortion procedure used to terminate pregnancy between 6 to 12 weeks gestation. It is also referred to as suction curettage or vacuum aspiration.


What abortion procedures are used during the second trimester?

Dilation & Curettage (D & C): a surgical abortion procedure used to terminate a pregnancy between 13 to 15 weeks gestation. It is also referred to as suction curettage or vacuum aspiration.

Dilation & Evacuation (D & E): a surgical abortion procedure used to terminate a pregnancy between 15 to 21 weeks gestation.

Induction Abortion: a rarely performed surgical procedure where salt water, urea, or potassium chloride is injected into the amniotic sac; prostaglandins are inserted into the vagina and pitocin is injected intravenously.


What abortion procedures are used during the third trimester?
Induction Abortion: a rarely done surgical procedure where salt water, urea, or potassium chloride is injected into the amniotic sac; prostaglandins are inserted into the vagina and pitocin is injected intravenously.

Dilation and Extraction: a surgical abortion procedure used to terminate a pregnancy after 21 weeks of gestation. This procedure is also known as D & X, Intact D & X, Intrauterine Cranial Decompression and Partial Birth Abortion.
 
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