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Hi Bronzed did some LHCF assisted searches and people have in fact had exp of the hair not growing as well when the Minoval was discontinued.
 
Okay, I definitely did not read those posts.

Did hair loss/balding return?
Or did the growing slow down/stop?

If the growing slowed, I can believe that, because I would imagine that you'd need to continue using the growth aid to continue obtaining faster/thicker growth.

Now, if the hair that grew fell out, well, that's a different story altogether.
 
^^^ no i believe the growth/ progress slowed down or stopped as in the case of regular Minoxodil (sp).

I think if I go down the chemical route I at least want my results to last. :ohwell:
 

Figured I'd post this here also. It may help someone.


Eclipta Alba/Bhringraj out does minoxidil

Hair growth promoting activity of Eclipta alba in male albino rats

Abstract Alopecia is a dermatological disorder with psychosocial implications on patients with hair loss. Eclipta alba Hassk. is a well-known Ayurvedic herb with purported claims of hair growth promotion. In the reported work attempts were undertaken to evaluate petroleum ether and ethanol extract of E. alba Hassk. for their effect on promoting hair growth in albino rats. The extracts were incorporated into oleaginous cream (water in oil cream base) and applied topically on shaved denuded skin of albino rats. The time (in days) required for hair growth initiation as well as completion of hair growth cycle was recorded. Minoxidil 2% solution was applied topically and served as positive control for comparison. Hair growth initiation time was significantly reduced to half on treatment with the extracts, as compared to control animals. The time required for complete hair growth was also significantly reduced. Quantitative analysis of hair growth after treatment with petroleum ether extract (5%) exhibited greater number of hair follicles in anagenic phase (69 ± 4) which were higher as compared to control (47 ± 13). The result of treatment with 2 and 5% petroleum ether extracts were better than the positive control minoxidil 2% treatment. Source

Natural hair loss formulations show up competition

Indian scientists have found a natural-based ancient Ayurvedic remedy for hair loss that outperforms the commercial competition, cashing in on the growing popularity for natural products and the extensive market for hair loss treatments.

The three herbs Cuscuta reflexa, Citrullus colocynthis and Eclipta alba have long been known for their hair growth-promoting potential and scientists at the Dr H.S. Gour University in Madhya Pradesh, India, have recently tested various formulations of these herbs on laboratory rats.

Three different polyherbal creams were applied topically to the shaven dorsal skin of rats, the most effective of which outperformed minoxidil (2 per cent) the active ingredient in one of the leading hair loss treatments Rogaine, a product that claims to prevent further hair loss in four out of five men.

Ram Kumar Roy and his team found that both the initiation and the completion of hair growth occurred earlier in rats treated with the most effective of the polyherbal formulations (day 4 and day 17 respectively) in comparison to those that had received topical applications of minoxidil (2 per cent) (day 6 and day 20) and control rats (day 12 and day 24).

It appears that the treatment primarily causes the hair follicle to switch from the telogen (rest) phase to the anagen (growth) phase along with encouraging the retention of the late anagenic hair follicles.

Furthermore the team noted the quality of the new growth as soft, silky and shiny, surprising as some of the previous tests of monoherbal fomulas containing C. reflexa and C. colocynthis had resulted in growth of coarse, rough hair, attributing this to the addition of the herb E. alba, similarly traditionally believed to improve the shine and texture of hair.

This suggests that the formulations may be helpful in the treatment of alopecia, caused by hair follicles moving prematurely into the telogen phase where they are abruptly shed, the most common form of which being male patterns baldness suffered by 60 per cent of men, according to a study by scientists at Vancouver General Hospital.

The biological mechanism that lies behind the success of this treatment is currently being investigated by the team, who are confident that the commercial applications of their formulations will be extensive.

The worldwide market for hair loss treatments was estimated in 2006 at $1 bn and Euromonitor has identified the area as having potential for further growth as it taps into the burgeoning market for male grooming products.

Mayank Thakur, a member of Roy's team stated that "the present work was based on the Ayurvedic literature where these herbs have been used for many years in order to treat hair related disorders and alopecia" thus appealing to the extensive consumer interest in personal care products containing plant extracts.

Source
 
Thanks, Flowinlocks, I'll research this a bit more...better than minoxidil, hmmm?

Do you know anything else about this? Is it still in development mode?
 
Thanks, Flowinlocks, I'll research this a bit more...better than minoxidil, hmmm?

Do you know anything else about this? Is it still in development mode?






Don't know anything else about the study. However Bhringraj has been always been described as the Herb for hair loss in Ayurveda. I use it in my tea rinses and and a paste mixed with cond. It's one of the moisturizing Ayurvedic herbs. It leaves the hair buttery soft. The oil promotes sleep so be sure to use it at night.



Product Description

Maka Bhringraj Powder 50g Hesh Maka

Maka (Bhringraj) - cleap scalp, cleaner skin

Hesh Maka is the more commonly known Bhringraj powder.

Hesh Maka powder is a unique Ayurvedic formulation that aids the treatment of scalp and hair problems. The powder, when massaged into the scalp as a paste, helps remove scurf or incrustations that may have formed on the scalp. In fact, it also cures alopecia. The products advantages go beyond hair application. When applied on the skin, it helps cure various skin diseases.

Briefly Hesh Maka powder has the following advantages:

- Removes scurf
- Cures alopecia
- Makes hair dense and promotes hair growth
- Cures skin disease.

Ingredients: Maka Powder (Eclipta Alba)



Info from herbal research thread.
 
Hi Ladies,

I just wanted to add my experience with traction alopecia.

Basically i've had it since i was 16 (im now 22) and when i first got it, i freaked out and went into depression. I just remember not wanting to go out and not having anyone i really could discuss it with. I went to a dermo, who prescribed me cream, but that didnt work! From what i remember, I didnt see it at first and then all of a sudden a patch on the left side of my head where there was no hair! Later on i learned that the hair dresser which i was reguarly seeing at that time had noticed the patch but DIDNT TELL ME! She said it was small and thought nothing of it! :nono::nono::nono:

To move along, after i while i just got used to it and focused on other things (came out of my depression) but i still was relaxing my hair. The size of the patch stayed around the same size for years so i was just glad that it didnt spread across my head.

I have gone to a few normal doctors who have had a mixed response. Some saying that it looks like the follicles have given up and are too damaged and others saying it will grow back. I personally think through natural remedies my hair will grow back, but i also believe the healing has to start from within.

Today is 1 year since i relaxed my hair (Im Transitioning) and to be truthful i havent seen a great improvement, but it is only now that im starting to really focus on making this patch smaller.

These picture of what my patch looks like right now!

I have started to steam my hair every week and want to step it up to two times a week. When i do steam my hair i only wet my hair and add an oil, usually a mix of castor and rosemary oil.

I also apply normal castor oil to the edges and the bald area around 3 - 4 times a week. I do think this has improved the thickness of my edges.
I also take only fish oil supplements which in a few months are going to be switched to cold liver oil supplements and have also decided to eat yogurt every morning and if im still hungry scramble some eggs too. I might add a protein smoothie to this aswell.

I am not expecting miracles, but hopefully i can get some growth and so the patch will get smaller.

Hope everyones progress is going well!
 

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Don't know anything else about the study. However Bhringraj has been always been described as the Herb for hair loss in Ayurveda. I use it in my tea rinses and and a paste mixed with cond. It's one of the moisturizing Ayurvedic herbs. It leaves the hair buttery soft. The oil promotes sleep so be sure to use it at night.



Product Description

Maka Bhringraj Powder 50g Hesh Maka

Maka (Bhringraj) - cleap scalp, cleaner skin

Hesh Maka is the more commonly known Bhringraj powder.

Hesh Maka powder is a unique Ayurvedic formulation that aids the treatment of scalp and hair problems. The powder, when massaged into the scalp as a paste, helps remove scurf or incrustations that may have formed on the scalp. In fact, it also cures alopecia. The products advantages go beyond hair application. When applied on the skin, it helps cure various skin diseases.

Briefly Hesh Maka powder has the following advantages:

- Removes scurf
- Cures alopecia
- Makes hair dense and promotes hair growth
- Cures skin disease.

Ingredients: Maka Powder (Eclipta Alba)


Info from herbal research thread.

Can you give me an Ayurveda for dummies ratio of maka powder:conditioner :look:?
 
Hi Ladies,

I just wanted to add my experience with traction alopecia.

Basically i've had it since i was 16 (im now 22) and when i first got it, i freaked out and went into depression. I just remember not wanting to go out and not having anyone i really could discuss it with. I went to a dermo, who prescribed me cream, but that didnt work! From what i remember, I didnt see it at first and then all of a sudden a patch on the left side of my head where there was no hair! Later on i learned that the hair dresser which i was reguarly seeing at that time had noticed the patch but DIDNT TELL ME! She said it was small and thought nothing of it! :nono::nono::nono:

To move along, after i while i just got used to it and focused on other things (came out of my depression) but i still was relaxing my hair. The size of the patch stayed around the same size for years so i was just glad that it didnt spread across my head.

I have gone to a few normal doctors who have had a mixed response. Some saying that it looks like the follicles have given up and are too damaged and others saying it will grow back. I personally think through natural remedies my hair will grow back, but i also believe the healing has to start from within.

Today is 1 year since i relaxed my hair (Im Transitioning) and to be truthful i havent seen a great improvement, but it is only now that im starting to really focus on making this patch smaller.

These picture of what my patch looks like right now!

I have started to steam my hair every week and want to step it up to two times a week. When i do steam my hair i only wet my hair and add an oil, usually a mix of castor and rosemary oil.

I also apply normal castor oil to the edges and the bald area around 3 - 4 times a week. I do think this has improved the thickness of my edges.
I also take only fish oil supplements which in a few months are going to be switched to cold liver oil supplements and have also decided to eat yogurt every morning and if im still hungry scramble some eggs too. I might add a protein smoothie to this aswell.

I am not expecting miracles, but hopefully i can get some growth and so the patch will get smaller.

Hope everyones progress is going well!

Lizzyb - I just wanted to say that I relate to so much of what you said. I have been trying to grow back my edges now for more than 5 years. I also understand the depression that comes with it of not having a full hairline and having people stare at it. Anyway I have recently resolved to start looking into implants and am now researching surgeons.

I recently realized that I am always talking about "when my edges fill in". It's been 5 years and I have been fairly vigilant and so far my results have been sub-optimal. I therefore just want to do something about it so I can stop feeling so self-conscious about it. I just want a full hairline so I can get on with my life and feel feminine again.

Can you give me an Ayurveda for dummies ratio of maka powder:conditioner :look:?

Me too :wave:
 
Positively Radiant, if you feel that you want to try implants then do it. I have also looked into them in the past just in case my alopecia spread. At that point i wasnt really into them because i was relaxed and i remember it said something like you couldnt relax you hair or pull it back to much, etc etc. Make sure u keep researching about it throughley and if you do decide to do the implants, make sure ur 100% certain.

Until i throughly try natural remedies on my alopecia for another couple of years, i will not look into hair implants. And yes, depression wasnt pretty. When ever i would go out i would think that people could see it and get anxious. I was young and it just got to me so bad. Im Still Young, but 6 years on, i dont think of it as the end of my life, i dont feel conscious in public anymore and i dont mind people knowing about it.

What i would say is that by addressing the issue of what other people think about my alopecia really helped me in my acceptance of it and the ways i should move forward. By not caring what other people think, i am able to stop being so stressed and paranoid and i am so much more relaxed and that is always a good thing. Also i am able to address this situation with a clear mind and understand it will take time, maybe the rest of my life!!! and i am no longer looking for a quick fix!!!
 
Positively Radiant, if you feel that you want to try implants then do it. I have also looked into them in the past just in case my alopecia spread. At that point i wasnt really into them because i was relaxed and i remember it said something like you couldnt relax you hair or pull it back to much, etc etc. Make sure u keep researching about it throughley and if you do decide to do the implants, make sure ur 100% certain.

Until i throughly try natural remedies on my alopecia for another couple of years, i will not look into hair implants. And yes, depression wasnt pretty. When ever i would go out i would think that people could see it and get anxious. I was young and it just got to me so bad. Im Still Young, but 6 years on, i dont think of it as the end of my life, i dont feel conscious in public anymore and i dont mind people knowing about it.

What i would say is that by addressing the issue of what other people think about my alopecia really helped me in my acceptance of it and the ways i should move forward. By not caring what other people think, i am able to stop being so stressed and paranoid and i am so much more relaxed and that is always a good thing. Also i am able to address this situation with a clear mind and understand it will take time, maybe the rest of my life!!! and i am no longer looking for a quick fix!!!


I so feel you on the bolded. I have had to learn to be thick skinned.

I am not relaxed at the mo (I am sporting a 3 inch TWA) so that is not a problem.

However does this mean that I would never be able to relax? Or would that just be while I have the implants?
 
I think i remember it saying when people have the implants and then have a relaxer with that, it only does more damaage to the hair and by that i mean your relaxed hair and the implanted hair. It was so long ago that i dont even remember exactly what it said, but i will try to find some information about it asap for the benefit of you and this thread.
 
^^^ I would really appreciate that :yep:

Thanks! Btw where did you have your consultation? - London?

I am thinking if having it done in NY.
 
Can you give me an Ayurveda for dummies ratio of maka powder:conditioner :look:?




Sure I usually mix about a tablespoon in my favorite cond. Since it's so moisturizing it works well with a dc, but it will amp up your cheapie conds. as well.:yep: I mix in enough cond. till it's smooth like pudding. As with any Ayurvedic treatments you will want to make sure you do this on preoiled hair. I prefer to oil a few hour ahead or over night then do it on dry hair.

I part my hair and smooth it on like relaxer. Concentrating on ng then pulling to the ends. DO NOT comb your hair while the mixture is in. After everything is well coated. I apply a plastic cap and let it sit for at least an hour. When you finally rinse your hair will be so silky and soft, even after it dries.

A few extra tips, If you mix up too much, don't worry because it's easy to do. The powders tend to swell when wet. Just cover the bowl and save it in the fridge till next time. Also if you feel like you still have "grit" in your hair after rinsing. Just follow up with a regular cowash.
 
^^^ I would really appreciate that :yep:

Thanks! Btw where did you have your consultation? - London?

I am thinking if having it done in NY.


Ill look for that info 2morow. And yeh i had my consultation in london via the NHS so i didnt have to pay for anything. BUT i still intend to go bk to a dermatologist to run more tests but nxt time i will do it via private healthcare and will definately look at otha countries such as the US. Is there any specific reason 4 choosin NY?
 
Hey scotchbonnet. I have tried many things over the years. When I went to the derm, all my blood work was normal but I was diagnosed with alopecia. One derm a few years ago gave me some steroid injections and a creme to rub and my hair grew back nicely but then I got pregnant with my second child and had postpartum hair loss again and it usually happens in my back nape area and on my sides. With my last delivery in 2007, my hair came out in the back, both sides and now the top so I went to see another specialist and she said I had scar tissue damage from (we are not sure what) anyway she did not do injections but gave me some type of steroid like creme, (sorry the tube is upstairs some where) I used that for about 4 weeks but I was not seeing any progress, matter of fact it seemed like it was getting worse. I did some research on the prescription and did not find many things on it but I did see one article where it said it CAN cause hair loss so I stopped using it. I left my hair completely alone with no special cremes applied to it for about 2 weeks then I started using the essential oil blend or the moe grow recipe (both can be found on this site). It has helped a lot because now, my nape and sides and even the top have grown in nicely, my temples are still struggling but I hope it will get there soon. However, I would like to have one more child so I know that I may very well go through this again.


What type of alopecia did the derm state that you have? I have androgenic alopecia- I was told by the derm to use rogaine... I have been using it for a few weeks and I'm not really a fan. It makes my hair so DRY!

Have you ever used this? If so what were your results?
I wanna use something natural! I'm thinking about all these oils that you and the ladies are speaking of... ??
 
Now I have been an ayurvedic fan since I decided to go natural.

I use brahmi, maka, amla, henna, cassia, indigo, fenugreek, horsetail, nettle...and all the oils, vatika, coconut, amla, brahmi, maka, shikaikai and/or a combination of them all.

(Check out the ayurvedic support thread for more information.)

I am very very simple in my mixes. I generally take a tablespoon of maka, brahmi and amla and mix into a cup or so of Lekair conditioner (or whatever I have at the time, usually shea butter version) with a dollop of coconut oil and amla oil. I, like Flowinlocks, apply it to my scalp and hair like a relaxer - I am very heavy handed . I baggy and sometimes leave it in overnight, definitely for an entire day. I used to do this weekly. Now, maybe twice a month.

To the above mix, i sometimes use 3 tablespoons of cassia (nuetral henna) or henna with a little water to make it smoothable. I do NOT let the henna develop color because I do not want red hair. This helps thicken the hair and give it volume. You could do this weekly if your hair can tolerate protein. At one time, I did this weekly for an entire summer. I prefer to use cassia rather than henna. I picked up all my ingredients at my local indian market for very little $. I had really gotten lax on my reggie. But i'm stepping up my game. I did a cassia, brahmi, maka, amla deep conditioner two weeks ago and my hair and scalp thanked me for it. I'll be able to devote more time to my hair this summer.

I know it seems like a lot, but it is very simple. Get familiar with the herbs, and these are the most basic, easy to use. Get the big 3, combine them in a container, mix them together and just scoop 'em out. It took me 3 months to figure this was a much easier way to deal with this stuff, lol!

FYI, Amla brings out my curls, cassia (a lighter protein) smoothes out my hair, henna is a heavy protein treatment. Amla oil causes my hair to be pin straight (when it's already straightened). Shikikaikai (sp) cleans the scalp and the oil does not leave a build-up on the hair.

HTH!
 
In relation to hair transplants, this is what i have found out so far:

After the transplant has happened hair begins to grow starting 3- 4 months and once growing the hair will continue to grow unless it too is subjected to repetitive braiding.
and Im guessing this is subject to hair relaxing aswell.

If the hair is repeatedly braided or is relaxed it will fall out.

There is also alot of scarring which could develop and bumps on your head from procedures which have not gone 100% correct. All the sites i have visited have stated that scarring is a reality that comes along with hair transplant surgery.

Just some more facts about hair transplant surgery:

Average Cost: $8000 which is around £5500

Length of time for transplant surgery: 1- 2 hours

Number of Treatments: One but usually more

Time taken to recover and be back to work: 7 days - 3 months


Im am still researching this so i will add more details later! HTH!
 
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^^^ Thanks Lizzy - just the info I was looking for. I also heard that braiding i.e. doing what you did before will again cause your hair to fall out. I suppose this stands to reason. I will research to find out if say the hair can be relaxed 1 year later after the scalp has healed and the danger of scar tissue has been reduced.

Thanks once again Lizzy :kiss:
 
^^^ Thanks Lizzy - just the info I was looking for. I also heard that braiding i.e. doing what you did before will again cause your hair to fall out. I suppose this stands to reason. I will research to find out if say the hair can be relaxed 1 year later after the scalp has healed and the danger of scar tissue has been reduced.

Thanks once again Lizzy :kiss:

Its ok!:grin: Im still doing research on it because i want to try and find specfic cases of black women who have had this surgery and their experiences.

Yeh braiding will cause ur hair to fall out. So this therefore limits alot of styles you could do with your hair. You would have to consider whether the styles you are limited to now would be more or less than the styles you would be limited to after the hair transplant.
And also you will probably have to have two or three treatments as i read that your scalp may not take to the implants properly.

From reading what i have read so far, Hair transplants surgery is a serious, serious thing and something i think i would only do if i tried EVERYTHING else and it didnt work. All the scarring and bruising just freaks me out!
It is interesting to read about though and obviously there must be alot of success stories for it to be so popular.
 
Survivors,

I have a derm appointment in the morning. i intend on getting cortisone shots in my hairline. I will see how it goes and update my progress.

I think wet bunning has thinned out my hairline, which was recovering beautifully.

Please note.

Always act as quickly as possible when you think you may have hairloss. It is much more difficult trying to replace the hair once it's gone. Be proactive. I plan on attacking this aggressively, the hair i save is the hair i keep.


~B*
 
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Has anyone here tried lasers to stimulate their under perfoming follicles (not the laser combs which have now been reviewed not to be strong enough. Instead apparently the ones in the clinics are much better and much more effective.

Anyway here are a few links. The first one is about how to make your own one but briefly goes into the science of why the ones in the clinic work better than the combs.

http://www.overmachogrande.com/index.php?/omg/do-it-yourself/original_laser_brush_instructions/

The second is one I have seen on eBay which basically seeks to replicate the laser hoods you would find in clinics and pay say $3,000 for a years course for.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170447893229

I am seriously considering this ladies to try and revive the follicles which may be struggling from the traction alopecia to survive. It would also alleviate the need for me to do any massages which also potentially cause more trauma in traction alopecia where follicles have become subjected to minaturization and finer vellus hair has started to grow.

Please feel free to post your thoughts? Yay :yep: or Nay :nono:?
 
update.

Went to the derm - did bloodwork. Results should be back soon.
Received cortisone shots in hairline - about, hmmm, 14 teeny-tiny, sharp pricks.
Doc wants me back in six weeks.
She (Korean doc) did not prescribe anything else - no topical creams/ointments, nada. (say wha? - okay, i'll go back to my original derm, because he (African American doc) also prescribed shampoo/ointments/you name it)

This chic didn't want to give me the cortisone shots! I'm like, hello, that's what I came here for!! Okay, so, she gave them to me. So hard to find good help.

The very first derm i went to was so good, but i had to pay out of pocket - that got old, quick. So when I finally relented and decided to cough up $$$, he moved 40 miles away.

*sigh*

I'll take pics and chart my progress.
 
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