Dee-Licious
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ClassyND said:Right. Remeber the siggy issue?
girl yeh... the poor HairBoard people didn't know what the heck was going on
ClassyND said:Right. Remeber the siggy issue?
Enchantmt said:As I said earlier, I dont have a problem with this thread. I'm trying to prevent it from turning ugly so it doesnt end up getting locked and/or removed. I dont have a problem with you questioning Blosss' opinion, tho I did wonder why you didnt do it in the original thread, tho I figured you were trying not to make it a personal issue with her, there is no way the folx on this board wasnt going to come to the conclusion it was in response to her thread, regardless of whether or not that's true.
I understand and agree that post's like blosssoms can be discouraging, and I will say what I said then when she touched upon this in another thread a while back. Black people (curly haired folx in general) may or may not be destined to have long hair. However, since we have been practicing bad technqiues for so long, (washing once a month, heavy greases and pomades that clog hair and coat hair to prevent proper moisture over time, improper use of heat and chemicals, harsh detergents, fungus from wigs and weaves, poor nutrition, lack of protection, etc)we dont know what the potential or norm for our hair is with proper care, and I'm not speaking of the extremes of growth aids etc. Until we have large numbers of black folx practicing proper hair care, relaxed or natural, we wont know or see the progress. Even in 2007 we have folx that say they wash their hair 1x a month before coming here or have family who tell them their hair will break off if they wash it more than once a month. The knowledge is not well spread and until the 100th monkey gets it, we wont know or see the potential of healthy black hair en masse. (no the 100th monkey isnt a slight at black folx...google it... disclaimer for folx who would see "monkey" and freak out )
Pixel Lady said:Hey Locks,
I feel like you. I started that thread re bone straight relaxers and when I finally got back after almost a week...people were on my case and sent pms like white on rice. I remember your being really sweet and telling somebody I hadn't said or implied what they said I said. And Sistahslick graciously disagreed with me, to a certain extent.
(((HUGS))) I don't think you are a trouble maker.
ETA: fix typos
MsDee4 said:girl yeh... the poor HairBoard people didn't know what the heck was going on
chayil0427 said:Just thumbing through some of these threads I just have to ask: If you don't want long hair, are tired of extensive hair routines and products, and/or you don't believe your hair will grow why are you here?
Why pay your 5 bucks a year and waste your time reading threads if you don't believe in the fundamental concepts that this board is founded upon.
Honestly, with all the beautiful progress picks showing quick and lovely growth and the women on the board with long beautiful hair of ALL types is there really any reason to doubt.
Yet, no one chained you to the key board at this site. If you don't like the concept or don't agree then move along to something else.
No one is paying for the stereotypes and negativity. To me this board has always been about breaking black hair stereotypes. And it's simply about learning about different products and techniques that are working for others.
So if you're not feeling the long hair game or this board then move along. But don't piss on the parade of those of us who are here to learn and share in a positive way.
Chayil
chayil0427 said:Just thumbing through some of these threads I just have to ask: If you don't want long hair, are tired of extensive hair routines and products, and/or you don't believe your hair will grow why are you here?
Why pay your 5 bucks a year and waste your time reading threads if you don't believe in the fundamental concepts that this board is founded upon.
Honestly, with all the beautiful progress picks showing quick and lovely growth and the women on the board with long beautiful hair of ALL types is there really any reason to doubt.
Yet, no one chained you to the key board at this site. If you don't like the concept or don't agree then move along to something else.
No one is paying for the stereotypes and negativity. To me this board has always been about breaking black hair stereotypes. And it's simply about learning about different products and techniques that are working for others.
So if you're not feeling the long hair game or this board then move along. But don't piss on the parade of those of us who are here to learn and share in a positive way.
Chayil
chayil0427 said:Honestly, I think some opinions need to be attacked. When someone gets on the board and very rudely expresses ignorant opinions that are totally against the principles that this board is founded on they need to be called out.
There are people out there lurking on this board who are on the fence as to rather or not they can ever have longer healthier hair. Then they get on and read some mess like that. It's discouraging. This board is all about ENGOURAGING people to love their hair, set goals for themselves, and enjoy the process of achieving their goals.
In the real world we all get negativity about black hair everywhere we go. People checking for tracks and asking us if we're mixed or saying we shouldn't use "white" products on our hair.
We shouldn't have to get on the forum and read those same ignorant ideas. This is a place for fun, love, support, and encouragement. And I'd be more than happy to attack anyone who posts anything different.
Chayil
MsDee4 said:I'm here, and I want my hair to grow.
BUT
SOME WOMEN here frequent the OT and ENT. boards, and you only see them really on the hair board if the others are down.
chayil0427 said:Just thumbing through some of these threads I just have to ask: If you don't want long hair, are tired of extensive hair routines and products, and/or you don't believe your hair will grow why are you here?
Why pay your 5 bucks a year and waste your time reading threads if you don't believe in the fundamental concepts that this board is founded upon.
Chayil
Enchantmt said:As I said earlier, I dont have a problem with this thread. I'm trying to prevent it from turning ugly so it doesnt end up getting locked and/or removed. I dont have a problem with you questioning Blosss' opinion, tho I did wonder why you didnt do it in the original thread, tho I figured you were trying not to make it a personal issue with her, there is no way the folx on this board wasnt going to come to the conclusion it was in response to her thread, regardless of whether or not that's true.
I understand and agree that post's like blosssoms can be discouraging, and I will say what I said then when she touched upon this in another thread a while back. Black people (curly haired folx in general) may or may not be destined to have long hair. However, since we have been practicing bad technqiues for so long, (washing once a month, heavy greases and pomades that clog hair and coat hair to prevent proper moisture over time, improper use of heat and chemicals, harsh detergents, fungus from wigs and weaves, poor nutrition, lack of protection, etc)we dont know what the potential or norm for our hair is with proper care, and I'm not speaking of the extremes of growth aids etc. Until we have large numbers of black folx practicing proper hair care, relaxed or natural, we wont know or see the progress. Even in 2007 we have folx that say they wash their hair 1x a month before coming here or have family who tell them their hair will break off if they wash it more than once a month. The knowledge is not well spread and until the 100th monkey gets it, we wont know or see the potential of healthy black hair en masse. (no the 100th monkey isnt a slight at black folx...google it... disclaimer for folx who would see "monkey" and freak out )
shocol said:I didn't finish that thread about bone straight relaxers but I got what you were saying. IMO, one sticky that we should have and don't is HOW RELAXERS WORK. I think every newbie should read it and it should be standalone without being bundled in with other information.
SvelteVelvet said:THANK-YOU Chayil.
Those topics are obviously BAIT!! Like someone who will go to an all black woman board and post something like "I date white women cause black women suck" or going to a hip-hop board and calling hip-hop a bunch of ignorant noise.
It's like..what's your agenda?? Really?? I'm not going to shave off my head and grow it natural because of your 'beliefs'. I'm not going to stop doing everything I do to my hair that has it growing long thick and healthy for your 'beliefs' either. I can't understand why some people who go natural try to make it a movement for all women to do it. I don't go around trying to relax all natural heads, I believe natural heads are beautiful it's just not for me. Bottom line DO YOU!! I'm going to keep doing me.
I TOO don't understand why something like that is allowed to go on with no reprimanding, or banning in a place where there's concentration on PROVEN methods to help everyone to achieve their separate hair goals. I believe we all paid $5 to be encouraged. Not discouraged. Regardless I know where my hair practices have taken me and where it's going to take me but I've acheived and passed one of my goals already. I'd hate for others who have never gotten pass a certain point with their length who WANT to get there to read something like that and feel they want to give up. I hope they can recognize the BAIT for what it is and continue to take from the positives of this board.
chayil0427 said:Just thumbing through some of these threads I just have to ask: If you don't want long hair, are tired of extensive hair routines and products, and/or you don't believe your hair will grow why are you here?
Why pay your 5 bucks a year and waste your time reading threads if you don't believe in the fundamental concepts that this board is founded upon.
Honestly, with all the beautiful progress picks showing quick and lovely growth and the women on the board with long beautiful hair of ALL types is there really any reason to doubt.
Yet, no one chained you to the key board at this site. If you don't like the concept or don't agree then move along to something else.
No one is paying for the stereotypes and negativity. To me this board has always been about breaking black hair stereotypes. And it's simply about learning about different products and techniques that are working for others.
So if you're not feeling the long hair game or this board then move along. But don't piss on the parade of those of us who are here to learn and share in a positive way.
Chayil
gabulldawg said:WOW. All of this was an eye full. 14 pages?? I read a lot of truth in this thread. I also read a few posts from haters (you know who you are) basically bashing this post and the person who started it. I know for a FACT that there are people in this world who FEED off of negativity and ALWAYS wanna go against the grain. You will see some people on this very board disagree with this thread but agree with Blossom's thread simply because hers was more negative than this thread.
I agree with the question of WHY some people are here! Like I said earlier, I know $5 ain't a lot of money, but it's still money! There are plenty of FREE boards that offer similar services (a la Black Hair Media) for FREE!!! I think you're wasting your time and other people's time by checking boards everyday just to start an argument or pass on your negativity to others hoping that they would join your negative world. As well all know, MISERY LOVES COMPANY.
Also, there's a phenomenon called SOUR GRAPES in which a person who can't obtain a certain goal basically puts other people down who are obtaining or are still trying to obtain the goal in which they cannot reach themselves.... It is easy to despise what you cannot get.
tickledpinkies said:In essence the paying of the subscription lasts a year so people have the right to change their minds during that year. However Im not a fan of these types of threads when people wont say something to the person they are slyly talking about but make a thread which is safer .
I cant stand it actually.
gabulldawg said:Also, there's a phenomenon called SOUR GRAPES in which a person who can't obtain a certain goal basically puts other people down who are obtaining or are still trying to obtain the goal in which they cannot reach themselves.... It is easy to despise what you cannot get.
I can't stand it when ppl interupt a thread just to say they can't stand it!
There were a couple threads about the subject, and instead of "calling folks out" and starting a whole mess of unnecessary drama, why not make a thread that people (like newbies) and actually benefit from?
And if you wanna get technical, couldn't one of those "you'll never make your goal" threads be slyly talking about some ppl? Since Mid back and beyond are so impossible for un-mixed people, I guess everyone with that goal could take those threads personal.
ITA WITH THIS WHOLE POST AND i ESPECIALLY agree with the analogy given. Sorry about the caps but I'm too lazy to go back and correct it!ITA. I mean, I'd never go on a morbidly obesed weight loss forum with my trim little self and tell people that they aren't meant to be thinner so give up the shennanigans because they have genetics working against them. How would it look if I said "Yeah, look at all these trim folks around you-- they aren't eating healthy, running laps, and doing crunches all day long and they still weigh less than you! But look at you! Struggling just tryin' to lose a couple of pounds. Half of y'all have been on the forum trying to lose weight for years and you STILL FAT! Some of those people are going to have to work harder than the average Joe for what they want, and while some may never see a size 6 from where they are-- in the process they've still grown healthier and have made progress above what they had before. The same thing with our hair. It may never touch the floor, but it may have improved by leaps and bounds above what it was before.
Newbies are impressionable. I certainly was. If I saw a post by a member who'd been around the block a bit-- I was all ears. Their words were gold. If I'd seen a thread by a seasoned member who said the equivalent of Face it folks why are we even trying? All this and we still aren't keeping up with Becky and Samantha 'nem. I would feel discouraged. If she's been here all this time and believes this and have 50-leven cosigners, I have friends and family who spew out the same, then what is the point of me even bothering here?
Thanks so much for posting this, especially since you dont really have to!I'm just signing on this morning so I havent viewed the other thread since last night, I will check it out in a few. I dont mind answering your question, or anyone elses questions, as I feel the more enlightened people are as to the reasons behind things, the more smoothly things go. However, I do not answer to anyone here but Admin regarding my actions, so I dont OWE anyone but Admin any explanations as to what I do or dont do when it comes to making judgements in regards to how I moderate. This isnt directed toward you in particular, there has just been an increase of these types of questions demanding explanations as to why I or another mod takes a particular action and as the forum rules state, we can move any thread for any reason and that is all the explanation that is required.
To answer your question, I WAS in the other thread, however as blosssom didnt make her thread in response to a PARTICULAR poster or thread, and no forum rules had been broken, either in her posting or the responses to her, there was no need to take any action beyond clarifying some points so as to not have things get heated from a misunderstanding or miscommunication. My presence early in this thread was to help ensure the OP didnt get her thread locked from others taking this thread as a license to attack people and cause more division on the board.
Anyone who has been here any particular amount of time knows how folx love to jump on the bandwagon of mini dramas. The tone of this thread started out completely different than the tone of the other thread and had this thread been allowed to continue unchecked then someone would have said something extremely nasty, and if it was bad enough or continued on long enough to where one or two posts couldnt just be removed or edited then this post would have ended up locked or moved, while blosssoms post remained, and everyone would have been screaming favortism, gone to her thread and tried to make it equally as hostile, (possibly resulting in these folx getting banned as we do keep track of people who intentionally create chaos and drama) or started a number of posts stating their dissatisfaction with LHCF and its mods, crying censorship and claiming that the favored children of LHCF can do anything and not get banned, which is not true.
Anyone who has been here any particular period of time ALSO should know I dont have favorites, that I try to keep the peace, and that even if a post is controversial, as long as people are expressing themselves (respectfully) and/or knowledge is flowing, and time allows, that I will try to maintain a presence so things DONT escalate to the point that it needs to get locked or have folx banned. I dont have a problem locking threads at all.
If you have any further questions please take them to PM. We have take the OP's thread off topic long enough.
THANK you from the bottom of my heart for saying this. My voice may be drowned out by the fact that some consider me a "trouble maker." But I am glad to see other members feel the same.
Actually it's not. This thread is in response to a couple of very discouraging threads. Really, just because someone is having a bad hair day or is frustrated with their hair, doesnt mean they should try and make everyone feel depressed too.Well I cant thats just the way it is. Blosssoms thread is her own doing and this thread is just the same as hers you get me.
I don't see what this has to do with this thread/topic at all. I'm sorry you had a bad experience posting on a forum, but no one should be surprised that there is a little backlash following such a comment. That was probably the intent of the thread anyways.This topic affects me because I made an honest (non trollist) topic on another forum which was not attacking anyone but people thought it was controvesial and a new thread popped up talking about dramatic newbies and I was wondering whether it was about me. Not into that ish
Really, just because someone is having a bad hair day or is frustrated with their hair, doesnt mean they should try and make everyone feel depressed too.