I Keep Hearing Believers Talk About Soulmates

[Guitarhero]

I think that G-d can choose or have someone appointed for you but that you are absolutely NOT obligated to select that person, if that makes any sense. You are free to choose but He is able to lead you to the one that best fits your needs. Likewise, there are people that might be used as a tool to harden/purify gold in your selection.

 

[Shimmie]

think I watched this before, is this the one where Bishop jakes implied that Johnathan & David had a less than Godly relationship....
think he also did the same with Ruth and Naomi

Whaaatttt ???

Bishop Jakes said that? What was he doing, pulling taffy? I mean, that perception is beyond a real 's.t.r.e.t.c.h.' of one's imagination.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Whaaatttt ???

Bishop Jakes said that? What was he doing, pulling taffy? I mean, that perception is beyond a real 's.t.r.e.t.c.h.' of one's imagination.

Yes, Shimmie. I saw the Ruth and Naomi thing he said. I was disgusted. It is on Youtube.

 

[Laela]

Say what, now?

 

[LucieLoo12]

Lawd, I done heard it now!

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Y'all the video has been removed. I heard myself. I do have the quote below. I really wanted you guys to hear it for yourself but the quote below is from the video that cannot be found. This is why we cannot be moved by big names, we have to stay alert and watch and pray.


“Ruth turns to Naomi and says “I shall not leave thee.” She makes her statement to this woman…that sounds somewhat, somewhere in between poetry, intimacy, and borders on lesbianism. People don’t even know how to explain what Ruth said to Naomi. It makes them uncomfortable. They’re afraid to talk about it. They don’t want to teach on it. Same thing with David and Jonathan…where there were same-sex relationships getting too close, people don’t even know what to say.”

http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/td-jakes-becomes-a-conduit-for-false-homosexual-theology/

 

[Guitarhero]

Maybe it was around the time of Eddie Long-busted.

 

[hair_rehab]

Whaaatttt ???

Bishop Jakes said that? What was he doing, pulling taffy? I mean, that perception is beyond a real 's.t.r.e.t.c.h.' of one's imagination.

I wouldn't be surprised if he said that to support his own personal reasons (desires). You never know these days.

 

[aribell]

There are people who have an uncommonly close connection, as if their souls were fashioned the same. It's uncommon, but real. The concept has been romanticized and held up as an ideal. The problem is not a "soulmate" connection itself, but rather that it is held above charity and faithfulness to God as the foundation. Finding a soulmate-like love isn't what God calls us to, but there are people who experience such.

But anything human based is subject to change and even decay. People who feel that they found their soulmate may still grow apart as their soul grows and changes. This is why our relationships can't be simply based on our feelings, but rather on God.

Sent from my LS670 using LS670

 

[Shimmie]

Y'all the video has been removed. I heard myself. I do have the quote below. I really wanted you guys to hear it for yourself but the quote below is from the video that cannot be found. This is why we cannot be moved by big names, we have to stay alert and watch and pray.


“Ruth turns to Naomi and says “I shall not leave thee.” She makes her statement to this woman…that sounds somewhat, somewhere in between poetry, intimacy, and borders on lesbianism. People don’t even know how to explain what Ruth said to Naomi. It makes them uncomfortable. They’re afraid to talk about it. They don’t want to teach on it. Same thing with David and Jonathan…where there were same-sex relationships getting too close, people don’t even know what to say.”

http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/td-jakes-becomes-a-conduit-for-false-homosexual-theology/

Is he for real ? ? ? ? ? Where did this come from? Not from God, that's for sure. Now he was really 'pulling taffy' with that one. That's a bungie cord stretch spiraling downward faster than an avalanche.

 

[Renewed1]

I dont know about the term soul mates..

The bible says marry whom YOU will in the Lord....so do I think there is a specific person out there for me? I dont know...But i do believe God does ordain things..But i do believe that God knows who I am going to marry and He is preparing him for me

Alicialynn86 could you point me to this scripture? I did a google search and couldn't find it.

Yes. pretty much but the debate came in that TD Jakes is saying there is no ONE.

I think there is the ONE but not in the way that the media pushes. I think that their is a choice in which ONE a man choses, like Adam didnt have a choice because God gave him a woman...there was no other so think about thaat too... but David, Jacob, Moses, Samson,Esau, Solomon etc all these men had a choice (within the realm of the Law)

God didnt tell them (except to not mix) a specific woman to marry, I believe that God gives us a choice and honors our choice.

But I dont know, its confusing because then people got mad because I said that you want to find someone to be compatible with and folks started acting like I said something crazy but in my book compatibility is the same as equally yoked.

So what say you ladies?

@the bold. People forget that God never forces us to do anything. He gives us FREE WILL; so deciding on a mate wouldn't be any different.

I do find the conversation on soul-ties interesting. I was taught that every time you have sex with a person, you are becoming one with them not only in flesh but your soul as well. Now, I have to go back re-read scriptures and rethink, what I was taught. erplexed

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

^^Shimmie he because he is mega and influential sowed the seeds of doubt in some people's minds

 

[Shimmie]

I wouldn't be surprised if he said that to support his own personal reasons (desires). You never know these days.

I hope not; with all of my heart, I hope and pray that this is not so.

It hurts to see these men and women of God in such a position.

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

oh well ....all things will be exposed under the light of God

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

I read a book that taught the same thing a very good read at the end of the book I was praying and renouncing everyone that I had slept with, that I joined myself as 'one' with...

I do find the conversation on soul-ties interesting. I was taught that every time you have sex with a person, you are becoming one with them not only in flesh but your soul as well. Now, I have to go back re-read scriptures and rethink, what I was taught. erplexed

 

[Shimmie]

^^Shimmie he because he is mega and influential sowed the seeds of doubt in some people's minds

But why this? I'm so tired Iwanthealthyhair67... I'm so tired of the deceptions.

My family and I don't even watch TV Ministries as much as we used to. We've become very selective, almost to bare minimum.

I can remember 'loving' the fact that there was 24 hour Christian TV, now

Sorry to go off topic.

 

[Shimmie]

I read a book that taught the same thing a very good read at the end of the book I was praying and renouncing everyone that I had slept with, that I joined myself as 'one' with...

Same here. Even those that I had 'crushes' on (never slept with or any type of personal interaction). Spirits of others can be an influence. I can remember being 'attracted' to certain men and as I think back, I am so glad that God never allowed me / them to become involved.

There are 'spiritual' attractions that are a setup for disaster. So thank God for 'crushing' the crushes, for not giving them life into my life. Too many counterfeits and a major distraction from the 'real thing'.

 

[Shimmie]

oh well ....all things will be exposed under the light of God

Mark 4:22

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

Shimmie sometimes it's just too much to watch the audience when the camera pans the crowd people are crying, writing quotes down, shaking their heads in agreement and being deceived...

what a burdensome task to be responsible for so many, so many souls, every word spoken should be sought straight from the mouth of God on bruised knees ...nothing coming from self and our own opinions...

It's better to tell people what they want to hear as oppose to telling them what thus said the Lord because sometimes what the Lord has to say, has nothing to do with the 12 steps to my break true or my financial blessing, it wont appease this flesh, it wont pack churches or fill the offering plates it does not bring popularity with the world ...Lord have mercy

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie sometimes it's just too much to watch the audience when the camera pans the crowd people are crying, writing quotes down, shaking their heads in agreement and being deceived...

what a burdensome task to be responsible for so many, so many souls, every word spoken should be sought straight from the mouth of God on bruised knees ...nothing coming from self and our own opinions...

It's better to tell people what they want to hear as oppose to telling them what thus said the Lord because sometimes what the Lord has to say, has nothing to do with the 12 steps to my break true or my financial blessing, it wont appease this flesh, it wont pack churches or fill the offering plates it does not bring popularity with the world ...Lord have mercy

I feel so sad about this. When you think about it, many in the congregation are 'mating' their souls to these Ministers. Scarey.

 

[Poohbear]

Alicialynn86 could you point me to this scripture? I did a google search and couldn't find it.



@the bold. People forget that God never forces us to do anything. He gives us FREE WILL; so deciding on a mate wouldn't be any different.

I do find the conversation on soul-ties interesting. I was taught that every time you have sex with a person, you are becoming one with them not only in flesh but your soul as well. Now, I have to go back re-read scriptures and rethink, what I was taught. erplexed

MarriageMaterial

I'm not Alicialynn86, but I found this verse in the bible that relates to what she said:

Numbers 36:6
This is the thing which the LORD doth command concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, Let them marry to whom they think best; only to the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry.


Also, I see where you said you were taught that every time you have sex with someone, your soul is tied to them. Were you taught that in church, from a minister, or from an article online? I remember I was first introduced to the idea of soul ties right here on LHCF a few years ago. I never heard of nor was taught about soul ties before joining LHCF. After having much thought of this concept, I can see how it really is man-made. The bible does not say anything about your soul being tied to that person you have sex with. Our souls are spiritual. Everything else is within this physical realm (mental, emotional, psychological). The flesh is the only thing that becomes one with that other person you have sex with. Our flesh is not of the Spirit. The flesh is our sinful state, nature, or mind.... not our spiritual souls. Hope that makes sense.

 

[LucieLoo12]

MarriageMaterial

It is the Numbers 36 and this one also I found

1 Corinthians 7:39

King James Version (KJV)


39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord


This scripture speaks of a widowed woman. But there are no scriptural requirements on a spouse that differ from a widowed woman getting married and a non widowed woman...

 

[Rainbow Dash]

@Alicialynn86 could you point me to this scripture? I did a google search and couldn't find it.



@the bold. People forget that God never forces us to do anything. He gives us FREE WILL; so deciding on a mate wouldn't be any different.

I do find the conversation on soul-ties interesting. I was taught that every time you have sex with a person, you are becoming one with them not only in flesh but your soul as well. Now, I have to go back re-read scriptures and rethink, what I was taught. erplexed

I have heard the same thing on soul-ties and sex with people you are not married to.

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man does is outside the body; but he that commits fornication sins against his own body. 1 Corinthians 6:18

Could this be where the soul ties teaching comes from. Sinning against your own body causing a hinderance to the soul. I found something in a commentary on this scripture that makes sense to me.

"It wastes the bodily energies; produces feebleness, weakness, and disease; it impairs the strength, enervates the man, and shortens life." from Barnes notes on the bible.

"The body is not the instrument, but the subject. But in fornication the body is the instrument of the sin, and "inwardly as well as outwardly is made over to another." Vincent' word studies

What do you ladies think? I think sex and sex outside of marriage is deeper than we think.

 

[LucieLoo12]

My pastor preached a message on this. In the biblical days...there was no marriage licenses..So the way they would make the marriage official was by having sex....Thats what the bible refers to us becoming one flesh..Sex solidifies the marriage consumation between a man and a woman..thats why it was never meant for single or unmarried people to have sex because of the meaning behind it. Its what binded the woman and man together in their union.

Even when people go to court and get a divorce the judge may asked, "has this marriage be consummated"? Which means have yall had sex? because sex is what officializes it.


So there people who may not have been legally married, but how may people have we married "spiritually"?

 

[Laela]

What you just described is fornication...

Our souls are spiritual. Everything else is within this physical realm (mental, emotional, psychological). The flesh is the only thing that becomes one with that other person you have sex with. Our flesh is not of the Spirit. The flesh is our sinful state, nature, or mind.... not our spiritual souls. Hope that makes sense.[/QUOTE]

 

[Rainbow Dash]

My pastor preached a message on this. In the biblical days...there was no marriage licenses..So the way they would make the marriage official was by having sex....Thats what the bible refers to us becoming one flesh..Sex solidifies the marriage consumation between a man and a woman..thats why it was never meant for single or unmarried people to have sex because of the meaning behind it. Its what binded the woman and man together in their union.

Even when people go to court and get a divorce the judge may asked, "has this marriage be consummated"? Which means have yall had sex? because sex is what officializes it.


So there people who may not have been legally married, but how may people have we married "spiritually"?

Good point. I wondered about this as well. Virgins...when a man would marry a woman and they had sex, proof of her virginity was the hymen would break and blood would be shed. Shedding of blood symbolizes covenant, that a convenant had been made. God made convenant with mankind through the shedding of blood through Jesus Christ. Sex, marriage, convenant are tied into one another.

 

[LucieLoo12]

Health&hair28

It is deep...look at this...

Deuteronomy 22:13-21 (copied and pasted)

English Standard Version (ESV)


13"If any man takes a wife and(A) goes in to her and then hates her 14and accuses her of misconduct and brings a bad name upon her, saying, 'I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her evidence of virginity,' 15then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate. 16And the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter to this man to marry, and he hates her; 17and behold, he has accused her of misconduct, saying, "I did not find in your daughter evidence of virginity." And yet this is the evidence of my daughter’s virginity.' And they shall spread the cloak before the elders of the city. 18Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip[a] him, 19and they shall fine him a hundred shekels[b] of silver and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name upon a virgin[c] of Israel. And she shall be his wife.(B) He may not divorce her all his days. 20But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, 21then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and(C) the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has(D) done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father’s house.(E) So you shall purge the evil from your midst.


The evidence they was referring to was the blood, the breaking of the hymen> that was the proof that she was a virgin..If she didnt bleed, she would be stone..

 

[Shimmie]

Good point. I wondered about this as well. Virgins...when a man would marry a woman and they had sex, proof of her virginity was the hymen would break and blood would be shed.

Shedding of blood symbolizes covenant, that a convenant had been made. God made convenant with mankind through the shedding of blood through Jesus Christ. Sex, marriage, convenant are tied into one another.

This is why the "Marriage Bed" is undefiled. It's Covenant Protected.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

This is why the "Marriage Bed" is undefiled. It's Covenant Protected.

Shimmie and Alicialynn86

Think about it. The scripture in Genesis 2 on a man leaving and cleaving to his wife and becoming one. God hates divorce...why?... because the two becoming one is like welding them together. Marriage is to weld, and or glue two together to make ONE. The enemy fights against marriage because marriage is godly. The marriage overrides every relationship in a person's life except the relationship with God.

We as mothers are the ones that seem to have a hard time with the leaving and cleaving of our children. I was reading on the marriage and it was stated that "the marriage does not mean you forget your family but that a change in priorities has taken place." "A NEW FAMILY has been established." I love this!!

 

[Shimmie]

I have heard the same thing on soul-ties and sex with people you are not married to.

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man does is outside the body; but he that commits fornication sins against his own body. 1 Corinthians 6:18

Could this be where the soul ties teaching comes from. Sinning against your own body causing a hinderance to the soul. I found something in a commentary on this scripture that makes sense to me.

"It wastes the bodily energies; produces feebleness, weakness, and disease; it impairs the strength, enervates the man, and shortens life." from Barnes notes on the bible.

"The body is not the instrument, but the subject. But in fornication the body is the instrument of the sin, and "inwardly as well as outwardly is made over to another." Vincent' word studies

What do you ladies think?

I think sex and sex outside of marriage is deeper than we think.

It is deeper... much.

I'm sitting at my desk, tapping my fingernails on the keyboard (not typing, just tapping...pondering whether to type out something that I've been 'studying'/praying' regarding how sex 'ties' do just that, tie a person to whom they've had a sexual encounter with.

Still tapping... (thinking)

Okay, read this and just think about it for a minute.

When a young boy has been sexually molested by a male, what is that makes this child grow up and 'struggle' with his sexuality? Why does he enter into a homosexual relationship when it is obvious that he was never born that way, neither was it ever intended by God's design.

Anal sex is horrendously painful, yet what is drawing this male back to these encounters. Even when they have entered into a relationship with a woman, why is this such a struggle?

Somewhere along the line, something has been attached to their soulish realm that has them in bondage to this lifestyle.

Something has occurred in the spiritual realm to confuse his soul and to have him outside of reality and into where he does not belong.

This is where I'm leaning that when people have sex there is a 'connection' occuring that is deeper than the surface of one's flesh. I also believe that there is a 'transference' of spirits taking place. The spirit of sexual deorientation which has affected the soulish realm of the male who has been violated.

Something is most definitely going on 'beyond the flesh' here when it causes a child to grow up and be utterly drawn into such a torrent of sexual confusion. Something that is most definitely not of God. I've always regarded homosexuality as a 'spirit', because of its 'hold' upon the person being 'controlled' by it.

Hence, the deeper side of sex and its affect upon the human soul.

Tell me what you think?

I also apologize for taking this thread into another direction (somewhat).