guess this hair type.....BEWARE, serious slobbing may occur

[Poohbear]

Kurlee and Poohbear thanks for the vids. Will check them out in the AM because I have just been reminded that normal pple are in bed so let me go feign some normalcy.

:scratchch I'm not normal!

But I can't believe I'm awake right now...up in this hair typing thread! I can't sleep for some odd reason... *LHCF is the devil!* I should be sleep knowing I got to be at work in less than 6 hours.

 

[Poohbear]

Ms Lala is a prime example of a true type 4a/b....very tightly coiled and major shrinkage. Check out her hair in this hair washing video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjhwlCJIKIQ

 

[Wildchild453]

^^ I hate that phrase 'true type whatever" like anyone who's hair doesn't exhibit those exact properties is lying/wrong in some way.

 

[wavezncurlz]

Yes it does @ the bolded. The tighter the curl, the more shrinkage you will have. And weight is a factor with shrinkage. Hair type has nothing to do with how dry, silky, thick, or thin your hair is.

Type 1 - Straight
Type 2 - Wavy
Type 3 - Curly
Type 4 - Tightly Coiled

HairCrush's hair is wavy which would make her fall into the Type 2 category. She has no curl or coil pattern in her hair.

Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree. According to your theory, my "type" should have much less shrinkage than I do. I don't think shrinkage is as black and white as this. There are shades of grey.


Also, I do not see type 2 hair on that white lady. . I bet if you asked her what her type was, she'd never say 2. We need to give up this mess and if we must describe our hair, explain its properties without numbers.

 

[mousee09]

i dont understand why someone who has 4 type hair why it cant be long? it has to be another texture.it cant possible be 4 type hair....

to agree to disagree i guess.

 

[SerenavanderWoodsen]

Her hair is AMAZING! It's kinky when dry yet only wavy when wet and the weight and hang is unheard of for that texture. I'm completely puzzled but in disbelief at how much hair she has!! She's so beautiful!

 

[FlowerHair]

Having looked at her Fotki,

http://members.fotki.com/lifesacatwalk/about/

I'm now convinced she's a coarse 3b/c with some 4a in the front. Here are some pics of her hair at a shorter length:

Her hair looks very 3c/4a here IMO...

I say that just to add fuel to the fire! LOL!

 

[serendipity]

Her hair looks very 3c/4a here IMO...

I say that just to add fuel to the fire! LOL!

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree-the diameter of the curls I see on the ends in the pics I posted is too large to be type 4(except for the patch in the front). That's 3b/c curl size. I think the weight + coarseness of her hair is what's throwing things off.

Well we have to agree to disagree. I have only ever known curly heads to have bushy hair. The bushy hair stems from the frizziness of curly hair. I can't comment on Sheena's hair because it's not my hair and it's not what we are debating. However, considering Sheena has curly hair I would bet money that if she brushed it out it would be frizzy and bushy. So yea 3's and 4's definitely have bushy frizzy hair. But the real kicker here is that Chime's hair is bushy even when it's wet based on the vid in the OP. A type 2's hair wouldn't have that volume/bushiness when wet.

Bushy hair can be a result of tight coils or in this case coarse, dense strands. The reason why her her looks ambiguous is because her strands don't have the silkiness commonly associated with the looser textures. I have seen plenty of Asians-Japanese and Indian with very bushy hair because of coarseness.Her hair is like a coarser version of GoingNatural's who is a clear cut 2c/3b/c.

Type 4a-Extremely small corkscrews, pencil head diameter or smaller

Type 4b-Extremely tight waves, very little spacing between them (less than 1cm)



knt1229 you and Sheena have the small curl diameter characteristic of type 4. The loops you see in Chime's hair are for the most part way larger than a pencil head, therefore disqualifying her from being a type 4 in the main.
The determinant of hair type is curl/wave size not silkiness,bushiness or coarseness. People are used to seeing coarse type 4's and silky type 3's so not surprisingly a coarse type 2 or type 3 can be mistaken for type 4 which I think is the case here.

 

[Vshanell]

didn't I tell ya'll that shrinkage has nothing to do with hair type and how much it curls/not curls. I think it's weight. Think CelinaStarr - her hair is heavy, thick and has very little shrinkage. Finer ladies like me, regardless of the fact that it has more wave than curls, shrinks as much as some of the ladies with 4 hair. My hair shrinks as much as 50% and people are always shocked to hear that I'm WL until my hair is flat ironed.

@kblc06 I agree, her hair reminds me of curly/wavy Polynesian hair (I know that not all people of Polynesian have this hair but I see it a lot) - I also mentioned this before.

I agree. Over the years and through much observation on hair boards I've come to realize this. I've seen people with my texture or tighter (same or close to same length) have much less shrinkage than me because they have heavier strands. My hair is very fine and I know now that's the reason it shrinks the way it does. I was baffled by this for some time though. I'm not sure how much percentage but it's crazy lol. At hip-length when fully shrunken my hair is above apl. Sometimes I wonder where all that hair went....I have to stretch it on occasion to make sure it's still there.

 

[carameldimples]

Chime has long beautiful hair, no disputing that but why is it that if you don't believe she is in the 4 range that people feel that has something to do with you thinking type 4 hair can't grow, I am a 4 and I am very confident mine can, I am BSL now....I just don't think her hair has the properties of a 4. And for anybody who says that I am thinking inside the box, yes the type 4 box and it is categorized for a reason, Chime's hair looks like a coarse version of Tatiyana Ali/Chili type of hair. It is just looks waaaayyyy more stronger and resilient. Most people look at 4 type hair and it has the strong look but we all know it is the most fragile, well Chime's hair has that strong and thick look of a 4 but she has the waves and lack of kinks like a 3b or something.

 

[Poohbear]

i dont understand why someone who has 4 type hair why it cant be long? it has to be another texture.it cant possible be 4 type hair....

to agree to disagree i guess.

Chime has long beautiful hair, no disputing that but why is it that if you don't believe she is in the 4 range that people feel that has something to do with you thinking type 4 hair can't grow, I am a 4 and I am very confident mine can, I am BSL now....I just don't think her hair has the properties of a 4. And for anybody who says that I am thinking inside the box, yes the type 4 box and it is categorized for a reason, Chime's hair looks like a coarse version of Tatiyana Ali/Chili type of hair. It is just looks waaaayyyy more stronger and resilient. Most people look at 4 type hair and it has the strong look but we all know it is the most fragile, well Chime's hair has that strong and thick look of a 4 but she has the waves and lack of kinks like a 3b or something.

Who is saying Type 4 hair can't be long or can't grow? erplexed Just because people don't agree HairCrush's hair is Type 4 doesn't mean they don't think Type 4 hair can grow like hers. It can! Look at Ms Lala who has the same length as hers. There are several other Type 4 ladies (tightly coiled) with very long waist length hair.

 

[Poohbear]

^^ I hate that phrase 'true type whatever" like anyone who's hair doesn't exhibit those exact properties is lying/wrong in some way.

Wildchild453 - I didn't say people are lying. Don't put words in my mouth. All I've been doing is respectfully giving my opinion based on my own eyes which was I think Ms Lala is a true type 4a/b and I do not think HairCrush is type 4a/b. Of course there is no true ultimate absolute type 4a/b. Plus, 4a/b is a mixture of two types $a and 4b anyway.

 

[carameldimples]

Who is saying Type 4 hair can't be long or can't grow? erplexed Just because people don't agree HairCrush's hair is Type 4 doesn't mean they don't think Type 4 hair can grow like hers. It can! Look at Ms Lala who has the same length as hers. There are several other Type 4 ladies (tightly coiled) with very long waist length hair.

Yea...that's what I was saying....and at the end of the day....her type has no bearing on how beautiful her hair is...that's my final stance on it, it doesn't matter, her hair is her hair and it is beautiful...back to the regular scheduled program of continuing in our very own HHJ!


Gotta step my nape game up...typing chime's hair is not gonna do anything for that, let me go find some productive posts to lurk in...LOL

 

[Poohbear]

Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree. According to your theory, my "type" should have much less shrinkage than I do. I don't think shrinkage is as black and white as this. There are shades of grey.


Also, I do not see type 2 hair on that white lady. . I bet if you asked her what her type was, she'd never say 2. We need to give up this mess and if we must describe our hair, explain its properties without numbers.

How would my theory say that your hair type should have more shrinkage than it does? This isn't my theory.... this is the basics of Andre's system which is very general and vague to begin with.

And the picture of the white lady I posted, I believe her hair is type 2....it's wavy with no curl/coil pattern. It's just very dense and thick and long.

And I have been describing the properties of HairCrush's hair along with the number and letter from Andre's system. HairCrush's hair is dry, frizzy, coarse/thick, non-silky, wavy, and type 2C...no curl/coil pattern, no shrinkage. Now if that's a picture of her hair manipulated, blowdried, or stretched out, then that's a different story.

Based on the pictures I've seen of your hair wavezncurlz, your hair is curlier than HairCrush's. Your hair isn't as dense nor dry as her hair. You're a silky type 3a of some sort. You have more shrinkage than HairCrush which makes your hair type higher than hers. And there's nothing wrong with that. You both have beautiful hair.

 

[Cherokee-n-Black]

everyone is puzzyfooting around it

Basically!!!
I find all the sarcasm very interesting, e.g. "Cause u know type 4 hair cain't be lawng!" comments. Is this really still an issue? Sera and I'm sure there are others clearly demonstrate the existence long kinky type 4 hair, but if you mention her it's "OHHH and God forbid her hair is coarse and kinky!!!" Yeah, I caught that. What gives? I can't figure out if there really is a concern that people still have these antiquated notions (despite plenty of evidence to the contrary), OR...if there's some sort of kinkier than thou gestapo looking for "good hair/bad hair" references in every comment.

I really want to know: Why is is so hard to take Chime out of the 4 category? In this corner, we have: "Ya'll just can't accept a long type 4!" And in the other we have "She can't be type 2/3/fill in the blank!" Now whassup with that?

 

[MilkChocolateOne]

Basically!!!
I find all the sarcasm very interesting, e.g. "Cause u know type 4 hair cain't be lawng!" comments. Is this really still an issue? Sera and I'm sure there are others clearly demonstrate the existence long kinky type 4 hair, but if you mention her it's "OHHH and God forbid her hair is coarse and kinky!!!" Yeah, I caught that. What gives? I can't figure out if there really is a concern that people still have these antiquated notions (despite plenty of evidence to the contrary), OR...if there's some sort of kinkier than thou gestapo looking for "good hair/bad hair" references in every comment.

I really want to know: Why is is so hard to take Chime out of the 4 category? In this corner, we have: "Ya'll just can't accept a long type 4!" And in the other we have "She can't be type 2/3/fill in the blank!" Now whassup with that?

I think some people feel like chime's hair is too "nappy" to be anything other than type 4. They are confusing curl/wave size with texture. Andre's system only types hair according to the presence of a wave/curl, the shape of the wave/curl, and the size of that wave/curl. He doesn't mention texture at all. Some people fail to realize that no hair type has a monopoly on texture. Silky hair is not exclusive to types 1-3. Cotton/kinky/ highly textured hair is not exclusive to type 4.


**mandatory disclaimers**

notice, I said some people not all

I know type 4 hair can grow long. I have seen many examples in real life and online.

I am not jealous of anyone's hair.

I am not hating.

I do understand the negative connotations surrounding the word nappy. I also understand and respect why some people are offended by the term and why they do not use it. However I use it as a descriptive term and I do not think there is anything wrong with having nappy hair. If it makes you feel better replace the word nappy with kinky.

 

[SophieDulce]

Damn, If i had the money I would buy her a HD camera, if her hair looks like that with that blurry cam? can you imagine what it looks like with a high quality cam? HAIRRR PORRNNN

but seriously, My hair may have a little more curl definition that her's but if I comb it out, it looks exactly the same..She looks like a 4a too me.. I have never ever seen anyone in the 3c category with hair like that..

 

[lilyofthenile]

My jaw just drops...

:lovedrool:

Beautiful hair.

 

[lilyofthenile]

Damn, If i had the money I would buy her a HD camera, if her hair looks like that with that blurry cam? can you imagine what it looks like with a high quality cam? HAIRRR PORRNNN

but seriously, My hair may have a little more curl definition that her's but if I comb it out, it looks exactly the same..She looks like a 4a too me.. I have never ever seen anyone in the 3c category with hair like that..

HECK YEAH!!

 

[SophieDulce]

skip to 4:40.

when my hair is wet it looks 3c because its weighed down and shiny, but as soon as it dries it look nothing like 3c..my daughter has 3c and our hair is completely different.

She has Big, shiny, fine curls.
Mine are little and tight and not so shiny,

 

[Wildchild453]

Wildchild453 - I didn't say people are lying. Don't put words in my mouth. All I've been doing is respectfully giving my opinion based on my own eyes which was I think Ms Lala is a true type 4a/b and I do not think HairCrush is type 4a/b. Of course there is no true ultimate absolute type 4a/b. Plus, 4a/b is a mixture of two types $a and 4b anyway.

Poohbear - I never accused you of saying anyone was lying. If you read it that way, my bad however I stated that I didn't like the phrase "true type 4a, true type 2b, etc" because it creates a very rigid box for something that is totally subjective. Example, you thinking Chime is a 2b while I think she falls into a 4a category.

I brought up lying bc I've seen in similar threads about 'gurus' that people have accused those with perceived looser textures of faking the funk to be down with the majority of people on message boards when their hair doesn't fit into that box.

All I said was that the phrase creates this box that automatically shoves anyone's whose hair doesn't act exactly like that out of it even if they belong in the category.

 

[SophieDulce]

I think she has type 4 hair that hangs down, instead of up

 

[Embyra]

And just to add to what I was saying before.

When someone comes in here and starts complaining about how a certain curl defining product didn't work for them and didn't define, people are always quick to say things like, "It will only define what's already there," and "It doesn't CREATE curls, just enhances them." and stuff like that.

But when someone shows a picture of their hair with a curl defining product in it and asks to be typed it's like, "Oh, you have to take a pic of your hair freshly washed with no product." and "We can't accurately type you if you've got product in your hair."

Lol... so... which is it?

tell them! Sheena284

 

[nubiennze]

ms-gg where can I get this one?

 

[Cherokee-n-Black]

I think some people feel like chime's hair is too "nappy" to be anything other than type 4. They are confusing curl/wave size with texture. Andre's system only types hair according to the presence of a wave/curl, the shape of the wave/curl, and the size of that wave/curl. He doesn't mention texture at all. Some people fail to realize that no hair type has a monopoly on texture. Silky hair is not exclusive to types 1-3. Cotton/kinky/ highly textured hair is not exclusive to type 4.


**mandatory disclaimers**

notice, I said some people not all

I know type 4 hair can grow long. I have seen many examples in real life and online.

I am not jealous of anyone's hair.

I am not hating.

I do understand the negative connotations surrounding the word nappy. I also understand and respect why some people are offended by the term and why they do not use it. However I use it as a descriptive term and I do not think there is anything wrong with having nappy hair. If it makes you feel better replace the word nappy with kinky.

I think it would HELP if all the pics of the other hair types had something other than white women demonstrating them. I really can't understand why there is no black version of a wavy hair pattern. We see it all the time. It makes it confusing as to whether it's really about curl pattern or if Type 4 is reserved for the coarse afro-type hair, no matter what kind of texture/curl/wave pattern you have. Some wave patterns are so shallow, they basically look straight. Could that ever possibly be type 1?

 

[Kurlee]

Basically!!!
I find all the sarcasm very interesting, e.g. "Cause u know type 4 hair cain't be lawng!" comments. Is this really still an issue? Sera and I'm sure there are others clearly demonstrate the existence long kinky type 4 hair, but if you mention her it's "OHHH and God forbid her hair is coarse and kinky!!!" Yeah, I caught that. What gives? I can't figure out if there really is a concern that people still have these antiquated notions (despite plenty of evidence to the contrary), OR...if there's some sort of kinkier than thou gestapo looking for "good hair/bad hair" references in every comment.

I really want to know: Why is is so hard to take Chime out of the 4 category? In this corner, we have: "Ya'll just can't accept a long type 4!" And in the other we have "She can't be type 2/3/fill in the blank!" Now whassup with that?

Ok, I guess I'll just say it.

I think type 4's don't want her to be a 4b, because deep down the insecurity of their hair type/acceptance still lurks, so to pacify themselves they categorize her as a looser hair type because those hair types are the "good" hair types, which explains why (in the good hair/bad hair mentality) her hair is so long and thick, and maybe makes them feel better about working on their hair for so long and not having remotely the same progress.

I think the lower hair types (3 and down) think her hair, despite it's length, doesn't have the "silk" and "shine" that qualify it as "good" hair, so it's like, " i'm a type 3 and that ish is too nappy to be like my hair", despite her curl pattern when wet and unmanipulated is a HELL of a lot looser than those who insist on the 4b categorization. Also, even though she has the length, she doesn't have the "right" texture, so there's a bit of, "I have "softer" hair and am stuck at APL, WTF"? A lot of the commentary comes off as disingenuous, insecure and transparent.

How do I feel?

I like her hair, think it's cool, glad she is shaking up stereotypes and antiquated ideas about afroey hair. I think she has a very loose curl/wave pattern, coupled with very afroey textured hair, which is a totally possible combo, just like there are many silky type 4's. I think people's hair hangups/issues are coming thru and it's unfortunate that people's minds are soooo narrow in 2011 after being on this forum and seeing a-z hair types thrive, break, stagnate, etc. I really think the colonial mentality will stay with many regardless of how much proof they see to the contrary.

Basically, the way I see it, both sides are "hating" and projecting but for different reasons. The similarity between the two is the disbelief and/or colonial mentality about hair as "nappy" textured as hers.

 

[Kurlee]

@ms-gg where can I get this one?

 

[serendipity]

Ok, I guess I'll just say it.

I think type 4's don't want her to be a 4b, because deep down the insecurity of their hair type/acceptance still lurks, so to pacify themselves they categorize her as a looser hair type because those hair types are the "good" hair types, which explains why (in the good hair/bad hair mentality) her hair is so long and thick, and maybe makes them feel better about working on their hair for so long and not having remotely the same progress.

I think the lower hair types (3 and down) think her hair, despite it's length, doesn't have the "silk" and "shine" that qualify it as "good" hair, so it's like, " i'm a type 3 and that ish is too nappy to be like my hair", despite her curl pattern when wet and unmanipulated is a HELL of a lot looser than those who insist on the 4b categorization. Also, even though she has the length, she doesn't have the "right" texture, so there's a bit of, "I have "softer" hair and am stuck at APL, WTF"? A lot of the commentary comes off as disingenuous, insecure and transparent.

How do I feel?

I like her hair, think it's cool, glad she is shaking up stereotypes and antiquated ideas about afroey hair. I think she has a very loose curl/wave pattern, coupled with very afroey textured hair, which is a totally possible combo, just like there are many silky type 4's. I think people's hair hangups/issues are coming thru and it's unfortunate that people's minds are soooo narrow in 2011 after being on this forum and seeing a-z hair types thrive, break, stagnate, etc. I really think the colonial mentality will stay with many regardless of how much proof they see to the contrary.

Basically, the way I see it, both sides are "hating" and projecting but for different reasons. The similarity between the two is the disbelief and/or colonial mentality about hair as "nappy" textured as hers.

I hear you but frankly I'm somewhat disturbed at this new revelation that 4a/b hair may be trained to hang straight with twist-outs
I guess pressing combs, relaxers and such were invented for nothing .
I've always found it easier to evaluate hair type with wet, unmanipulated hair but in chime's case, this method is deemed invalid.

 

[serendipity]

ms-gg where can I get this one?

You sure you want that one, it's nappier than chime's hair

 

[MissSenegal]

I need to see a close up of one of her strands but I think she is a 3c 4a mostly 4a but she knows her hair better then anyone.