*>Diva Smooth<*-- >An Alternative to Relaxers?<

africa said:
Wow...maybe I'm just tired but some of these posts are a bit much for me.

She was kind enough to come on here to talk about her product, then she gets criticized for sharing her life story, how she said what she said, her spelling mistakes, her business sense (and whatever else) then gets told to come back after she gets herself together. I don't know why she couldn't have been pm'd about some of these concerns.

So what if she has spelling mistakes? If we take her life history at face value, her starting her own company as a mother whose been through all that is a marvelous accomplishment in and of itself. Sure its not good business to have your self represented on a board like that for the first time, but she obviously didn't even know about LHCF and even how to post. I am sure she would have reconsidered if she knew the scope of this board. Of course it may lower her credibility for some, but why underscore that (among other things) for the whole world to see when as was said, this site will probably pop up when people google it. Again, if the concern is really to help her promote herself better, it would have been wiser and more tactful to send her a pm.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and can ultimately post whatever they want. In my opinion, the line between being helpful and condescending was crossed too many times.

- Goodnight.
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:yep: Agreed. Either way... it was nice of her to come on here and answer questions after reading some of these comments. I don't really think anyone was trying to be rude, but things can come across as such sometimes.
 
Hi Vanessa (Diva). From looking at the video, the way that the product is applied, I think it would be more beneficial for the product to come in a jar rather than in a bottle. That way, a person could just dip their application brush in the product and then spread it over their hair.:yep:
 
(shrugs shoulders)

According to the video that model looks relaxed to me. It looks like a pre poo/conditioner. I do that myself once a week lol only I DC with a diff product for only 20 mins.

IDK....waiting on ingredients and Gymfreaks breakdown of the ingredients cause I surely can't decipher them for the final verdict
 
This is amazing. I researched this product, started the thread and it has just ballooned into all of this...and I am still searching for answers.
 
Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll said:
This is amazing. I researched this product, started the thread and it has just ballooned into all of this...and I am still searching for answers.
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Yea. It Blew up into something ugly.

I just wanted ingredients too. Alas.... it is friday... and no ingredients posted... So one must purchase to find out.
 
Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll said:
wow.......un-b-lievable.
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I take it you just finished reading the thread.:giggle:

It is only $25 (yes I said only considering the kind of cash I lay down for my hair). I don't think the results will be that dramatic since blowdryer/flatiron are needed. I think it just gives your thermal straightening a smoother result. I will get it in a couple of months when my new growth is mentionable. In the meantime, I have like 6 other new products that I have purchased and need to try. :lol:

ETA: If it lasts 4 weeks, I think that probably means it coats the hair and the coating takes that long to wash off. I doubt someone that washes their hair everyday/every other day will have the four week effect.
 
Southernbella. said:
So basically, it sounds like a deep conditioner to me.

I mean, she said you have to flat iron afterward, so that alone tells me that the product itself doesn't get your hair straight. It probably just moisturizes it really well so that straightening is easier.

I wasn't going to try it before, but if it doesn't change your texture and just gets your hair smooth and moisturized, I may try it for when I flat iron. I'll be waiting for results from the posters who ordered...
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Diva said thatthe product gives great bounce and body. I was going to ask her if that means it does not actually loosen the curl pattern but my darn laptop was acting up. I just want to know if this would loosen curl patterns for 4b or maybe if this would make flat ironing easier for 4bs.
 
Avaya said:
I take it you just finished reading the thread.:giggle:

It is only $25 (yes I said only considering the kind of cash I lay down for my hair). I don't think the results will be that dramatic since blowdryer/flatiron are needed. I think it just gives your thermal straightening a smoother result. I will get it in a couple of months when my new growth is mentionable. In the meantime, I have like 6 other new products that I have purchased and need to try. :lol:

ETA: If it lasts 4 weeks, I think that probably means it coats the hair and the coating takes that long to wash off. I doubt someone that washes their hair everyday/every other day will have the four week effect.
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Yes, Ma'am, I just finished reading the thread....:blush::perplexed:ohwell::nono::sad::wallbash:
 
When I saw so many posts I never came back, now I know I was right not to. I just hope I didn't add fuel with my comments. I don't have anything against other people's products I'm just bitter at spending so much money of products that promise results and my hair sheds out. I didn't read all of the thread, just the last two pages. I guess I'm an ingredient junkee into making my own. I just don't believe in the hair care industry anymore ESPECIALLY since I've grown my hair out healthily with my own home made products thanks to the knowledgeable ladies on the hair forums. I thought about Vanessa (Diva) coming and reading what I wrote and feel bad that I said she bit off of castile soap but the ingredients sound like my "shampoo" that I make with castile soap as the base. I didn't mean any harm, but like I said before, I feel so raped by the hair care industry...didn't mean to be a radical.
 
naturalgurl said:
When I saw so many posts I never came back, now I know I was right not to. I just hope I didn't add fuel with my comments. I don't have anything against other people's products I'm just bitter at spending so much money of products that promise results and my hair sheds out. I didn't read all of the thread, just the last two pages. I guess I'm an ingredient junkee into making my own. I just don't believe in the hair care industry anymore ESPECIALLY since I've grown my hair out healthily with my own home made products thanks to the knowledgeable ladies on the hair forums. I thought about Vanessa (Diva) coming and reading what I wrote and feel bad that I said she bit off of castile soap but the ingredients sound like my "shampoo" that I make with castile soap as the base. I didn't mean any harm, but like I said before, I feel so raped by the hair care industry...didn't mean to be a radical.
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Yea. We all feel BURNED ( literally and figuratively) by the Hair industry(beauty companies) so - we can tend to be radical.
It does not matter anymore. It really does not.

I am doing great on the path I am on. I have enough stuff to do my own thing...

Most people start making thier own stuff when they get fed up with what is out there. That is me. So - I will make my stuff - and keep rollin'.
 
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WOW, I read the whole thread and never really got anything except the negative vibes:nono:

My curiosity about this product will get my behind back in here later:ohwell:
 
This is sad! I saw this coming when I posted on page 6 or 7.

My sincerest apologies to Vanessa, if she EVER decides to come back into this forum. It truly sounded like a high school girls session.

I applaud Vanessa for starting her own business and for trying to market her business on this forum. I'd want nothing to do with LHCF for awhile after that session. And even if she can't spell every word correctly, couldn't this have been expressed via PM? We're giving advice to a business owner and how many of us have businesses or had the nerve to start something?

Whatever happened to kindness?

I'm just telling myself that some of the comments stemmed from immaturity.
Yep, all of this has been said before, but how embarassing!

No one's hair is that cute, that long, that styled, that curly, straight, relaxed, texlaxed, natural (you get the point) to be overly harsh with anyone.

For the young lady that tried or is trying this product, please let us know how you like it and if it doesn't work, then I'll send you a few bucks for taking one for the team. (Thanks).
 
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Yikes...

No one's forcing anyone to buy this product. And if you do buy it, the ingredients will be right there for you to pore over... just like any other product. So why so harsh? :perplexed

I'm sure if this is going to be sold on store shelves eventually or by other online vendors, the ingredients aren't going to be "secret" for long.

From what I can gather, it's just another "Miracle Results NOW!" smoothening/softening aid-- not much different from the salt, yogurt, honey, coconut concoctions people use already. Nothing to be compared to RIO at all.
 
Yes, it is a TOUGH crowd in here, and there is nothing wrong with that. She could have avoided all the questioning by having the ingredients list available for checking.

I think it's great that she stopped by to explain and talk about her product. No harm was done. If her product does what it claims to do, surely the adventurous heads here on LHCF who try it will post threads with raves and pictures, and she will make a fortune. :yep:
 
DragonPearl said:
Yes, it is a TOUGH crowd in here, and there is nothing wrong with that. She could have avoided all the questioning by having the ingredients list available for checking.

I think it's great that she stopped by to explain and talk about her product. No harm was done. If her product does what it claims to do, surely the adventurous heads here on LHCF who try it will post threads with raves and pictures, and she will make a fortune. :yep:
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I guess that's what started it. When people aren't forthcoming it creates a feeling of distrust. I guess it's all about $$$. If we that like to make our own stuff see the ingredients and make something comparable then we'll stealing I guess. I don't consider it that because I'm not selling it and my hair can't tolerate everything that's in it. But I wouldn't know it because I don't have privy to what's in it. I just can't turn back now and use those products that have the potential to make my hair shed after all of this progress. I will not blindly buy anything anymore. That's a lesson I learned and I guess you'd have to be me to understand. :ohwell: I hope my tenacity to keep my hair on my head wasn't taken as being rude...
 
/\/\/\ I am an ingredient freak. I NEED to know what's in anything before I use it. Period.

The concern about people "stealing" and replicating the formula is not valid. Most people are not interested in mixing things up in their kitchen sink, and prefer buying things already made, especially when they work well. If her product has only natural ingredients and does what it claims to do, she has NOTHING to worry about. There will be tons of PJ ordering, and I might even order it too. lol.
 
Sometimes I think the way words come off on a thread seem worse than the person is trying to express.

That is the problem with e-communication.

I am sure most of the people in this thread are not trying to sound mean and hateful.
 
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