vanessa9052
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how about you buy it - better yet i will send you one for free, I will even overnight it to you...
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*>Diva Smooth<*-- >An Alternative to Relaxers?<
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Lucky's Mom
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vanessa9052
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thanks girl
Lucky's Mom
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Wha??? Girl - you should not say that on the internet...... you will have a MILLLION takers!
msa
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That's great but...
You're gonna go broke doing that. Do you have sample sizes? Maybe you can send those for free or a couple dollars? That way you don't put yourself out of business before you even begin.
vanessa9052
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only one this time
vanessa9052
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i'm not sure i can do that....
You're gonna go broke doing that. Do you have sample sizes? Maybe you can send those for free or a couple dollars? That way you don't put yourself out of business before you even begin.[/quote]
You're gonna go broke doing that. Do you have sample sizes? Maybe you can send those for free or a couple dollars? That way you don't put yourself out of business before you even begin.[/quote]
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vanessa9052
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Let me know when you are ready to try.
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vanessa9052
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I'm here still
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vanessa9052
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So any last questions before I leave?
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vanessa9052
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sure thing sounds good to me
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PGirl
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Yes ingredients are important but for goodness sake, I just read this extremely long thread and all I really want to know is if it works and maintains healthy hair. This forum is so helpful but sometimes we focus on ridiculous stuff like mineral oil, petroleum, etc....
We have been hurt in the past yes, but that doesn't mean we should scare people away from a product just because we don't have the recipe.
vanessa9052
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Goodnight ladies,
Thanks for having me here!
Diva
Thanks for having me here!
Diva
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msa
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For some people mineral oil and petroleum is not ridiculous. Some of us want nothing to do with it, so it's important to us that we know the ingredients in a product. If there were high concentrations of baking soda and ACV in it, I'd want to know that too so that I didn't jack up my hair.
Nobody knew anything about the product. I'm sure if someone had come in and posted all the ingredients there would have been no debate. If it was something I didn't want to use because of the ingredients I would have kept my mouth shut because I know exactly how the conversation would have ended.
We have been hurt in the past yes, but that doesn't mean we should scare people away from a product just because we don't have the recipe.
I really don't think anybody was trying to scare anyone off. We all like to be informed. People ask a trillion questions about every new technique and product that's introduced. This is nothing new.
msa
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africa
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Wow...maybe I'm just tired but some of these posts are a bit much for me.
She was kind enough to come on here to talk about her product, then she gets criticized for sharing her life story, how she said what she said, her spelling mistakes, her business sense (and whatever else) then gets told to come back after she gets herself together. I don't know why she couldn't have been pm'd about some of these concerns.
So what if she has spelling mistakes? If we take her life history at face value, her starting her own company as a mother whose been through all that is a marvelous accomplishment in and of itself. Sure its not good business to have your self represented on a board like that for the first time, but she obviously didn't even know about LHCF and even how to post. I am sure she would have reconsidered if she knew the scope of this board. Of course it may lower her credibility for some, but why underscore that (among other things) for the whole world to see when as was said, this site will probably pop up when people google it. Again, if the concern is really to help her promote herself better, it would have been wiser and more tactful to send her a pm.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and can ultimately post whatever they want. In my opinion, the line between being helpful and condescending was crossed too many times.
- Goodnight.
She was kind enough to come on here to talk about her product, then she gets criticized for sharing her life story, how she said what she said, her spelling mistakes, her business sense (and whatever else) then gets told to come back after she gets herself together. I don't know why she couldn't have been pm'd about some of these concerns.
So what if she has spelling mistakes? If we take her life history at face value, her starting her own company as a mother whose been through all that is a marvelous accomplishment in and of itself. Sure its not good business to have your self represented on a board like that for the first time, but she obviously didn't even know about LHCF and even how to post. I am sure she would have reconsidered if she knew the scope of this board. Of course it may lower her credibility for some, but why underscore that (among other things) for the whole world to see when as was said, this site will probably pop up when people google it. Again, if the concern is really to help her promote herself better, it would have been wiser and more tactful to send her a pm.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and can ultimately post whatever they want. In my opinion, the line between being helpful and condescending was crossed too many times.
- Goodnight.
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PGirl
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I agree that it's important to be informed but trust me, there are alot of people who won't even try this product now after reading 20 pages of ingredient controversy. Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone to have a bad hair experience, but I guess I just got tired of reading what seems really negative to me.
Ya'll had me scared to death of mineral oil too. Until, I realized that my hair thrives with products like Hawaiian Silky 14 in 1 and it's got the bad stuff right there at the top....yet my hair is growing like weeds now....
Again, I don't want to be unpopular here...I just can't wait to see if it works and doesn't cause damage. I am hopeful...sorry...
msa
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PG I feel you girl. Everybody has to do what works for them. And if this works for some people, great! And do not worry about being "unpopular". Say what you want to say. We all learn from these discussions.
P.S. Change your settings to 40 posts per page. That way you'll only have 5 pages instead of 20.
Lucky's Mom
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Yes ingredients are important but for goodness sake, I just read this extremely long thread and all I really want to know is if it works and maintains healthy hair. This forum is so helpful but sometimes we focus on ridiculous stuff like mineral oil, petroleum, etc....
We have been hurt in the past yes, but that doesn't mean we should scare people away from a product just because we don't have the recipe.
For me - and for many on the forum These are not ridiculous...so - I am grateful to be INFORMED. No one wants the recipe. We want what we get when we go to any cosmetic company, etc.... information.
msa
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I posted because it appeared to ME that she was sabotaging herself by not having had a plan together before she appeared here. She was shooting herself in the foot. Business is brutal and based on the posts in this thread alone her credibility may be completely shot.
People are going to tell the truth and not sugar coat it. Spelling mistakes, incorrect grammar, and incomplete or insufficient answers about YOUR OWN PRODUCT will cause people to avoid buying your products. And as a mother of 9 children, she cannot afford for her product to fail because of negative word of mouth that could have been avoided.
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Lucky's Mom
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THANK YOU. I will not change my stance on this. I read a gazillion posts... and do not comment - Because I won't USE the crap. ( some people swear by stuff here - that will never touch my head.
)In fact - if the ingredient listing had been available... We would not have this post.....I Don't care if it says or claims natural - I will again say -
RIO and COPA were proof that people should have known what was going on.....before they put in on their heads....
For the few that are vocal here - there are 100 women reading and lurking...
Lucky's Mom
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LHCF - Does not sugar coat anything.
I saw AWFUL posts about Hairveda ( shipping issues,etc) Now - Because so many people LOVE BJ on this board, that member got ripped a new one....
But - What if no one knew BJ? Then what? It may have been like this thread.
AWFUL things were said about this poor woman, Diva..... she is doing something positive....
I - am like most people here. BLUNT. I want to be informed. It is not personal.... It isn't about Diva. It is about a product.....
But - there is no need to be mean or cruel.
AFTER ALL... We don't know who is lurking the boards.
PGirl
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Geezz...I want you to be informed...
I was just trying to make a point with the mineral oil comment. I really could make a long list of things that people on here say are "bad" that work for me but that would be a different thread.
I really just didn't like to see the direction the thread went and that is the only reason I spoke up.
BTW.. If you read back through the thread there was someone saying they wanted the recipe. (I'm just telling you because you mentioned it)
ANYONE live in VA?????
I do and I'd be willing be a tester
ETA: Mabye.....it depends on what's in it...
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sunshinelady
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I agree with you. I also think that our comments were very kind considering that it appeared that she was looking for a fight at first and meant to be helpful. She did not need to share those personal details. Plus, she clearly did not know how to use the board, so why would we PM her at that point? But, I will say that her website is very well done.
Maybe the mods will make this thread disappear. If I were Vanessa or the OP, I would ask for that or at least move it to the Vendor Review Forum which is not public.
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Sui Topi
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I agree with you. I also think that our comments were very kind considering that it appeared that she was looking for a fight at first and meant to be helpful. She did not need to share those personal details. Plus, she clearly did not know how to use the board, so why would we PM her at that point? But, I will say that her website is very well done.
Maybe the mods will make this thread disappear. If I were Vanessa or the OP, I would ask for that or at least move it to the Vendor Review Forum which is not public.
Not so much
. We already were hostile towards this idea before she even came online. When she did, I mean if my mom came on a forum she wouldn't know what the heck was going on either you know? I don't think she knew what her forum presence could do for her product good or bad. She is just an old school head who figured she could come on here and answer a few questions and things would be straight. Not expecting people to use the standard forum format (ie. straight coming out your face being rude and saying things you know you would never have said to anyone in person) and of course she took it personal as one only could. Not everyone was being arms, but please don't say if you were in her position you would have taken the tones and comments towards you in any way other than a hurtful way. Through it all I mean, she got hot but she tried to be easy afterwards. Also take into consideration she must not know so much about the internet that she thinks that if she posts the ingredients, not even the recipe but just the ingredient list that some wicked person is going to up and take over her enterprise. To be honest, if it really works and is 100% safe as well as natural.......... someone probably would try that still. I want to know the ingredients because like someone else said, I put a lot of work into my hair and I won't put just anything in it. The mineral oil thing is a totally different story, because mineral oil is debatable. If this thing is hazardous like those other natural relaxers, NO ONE should use it. Period. I don't see anything wrong with us wanting to make an educated decision. If I go on LUSH's website, I see a full outline of their supposed "natural" soaps. Some people use them and are happy, and if I see an ingredient in there that I haven't had success with, it is my perogative to purchase it or not. Plain and simple. Why shouldn't I be able to do that with this?
sunshinelady
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Not so much
Also take into consideration she must not know so much about the internet that she thinks that if she posts the ingredients, not even the recipe but just the ingredient list that some wicked person is going to up and take over her enterprise. To be honest, if it really works and is 100% safe as well as natural.......... someone probably would try that still.
I want to know the ingredients because like someone else said, I put a lot of work into my hair and I won't put just anything in it. The mineral oil thing is a totally different story, because mineral oil is debatable. If this thing is hazardous like those other natural relaxers, NO ONE should use it. Period. I don't see anything wrong with us wanting to make an educated decision. If I go on LUSH's website, I see a full outline of their supposed "natural" soaps. Some people use them and are happy, and if I see an ingredient in there that I haven't had success with, it is my perogative to purchase it or not. Plain and simple. Why shouldn't I be able to do that with this?
That's a really long response, so I am only responding the part that referred to my post. I didn't read the entire thread, so I missed the post about her hair being jacked up, which was clearly out of line. However, once she got here, I think people were very tame comparatively. Maybe you haven't been here long enough to see the past roastings. I would have said those things to her on good principle and I did apologize if it came off snippy.
Now, as far as I can see so far, most of the people who cared about the ingredients and talked whatever other trash have not come back in the thread.
