Can I ask a dumb question? (Part II)

What is chelating?

LeAnn’s wish for wisdom: What is the difference between clarifying, chelating, and neutralizing shampoos and how important are any of them to good hair health?

The Right Brain supplies the goods:

Good question, LeAnn, unfortunately the answer is not that simple. It depends on which clarifying, chelating, or neutralizing shampoos you’re talking about. That’s because all companies don’t follow the same definitions for their products. Some companies use these terms for marketing impact; they’re just a fancy way to say that the shampoo is cleaning your hair. Other companies have a scientific rationale for these terms and their shampoos are formulated to deliver different technical benefits. We’ll explain what these technical differences are so you know what to look for when you’re shopping for shampoo.

Clarifying Shampoo

What it is:
This is the easy one: clarifying is just another way to say “deep cleansing.” The person pictured below needs a good clarifying shampoo. Stat!

What to look for:
There’s really nothing special about this type of product. Look for basic, cleansing system without any added conditioners. If you see things like Dimethicone, Polyquaternium-7 or Guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, on the label, the formula will probably deposit conditioners on your hair that you don’t want if you’re trying to clarify.

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Examples:
KMS Clarifying Shampoo
Icon Energy Clarifying Shampoo

Chelating Shampoo

What it is:
A chelating agent can chemically bind with minerals and keep them from depositing on your hair. At least that’s the theoretical basis for this kind of formula. We’ve never seen it demonstrated in practice. This type of product has most application to areas of the country where there is hard water. Soft water already has the minerals removed.

What to look for:
Look for products with the ingredient EDTA.

Examples:
Joico Kpak Clarify Chelating Shampoo
Aveda Shampure

Neutralizing shampoo

What is it:
True neutralizing shampoos are used in conjunction with hair relaxers. The high pH required by the relaxer to soften the bonds in the hair can be damaging to the scalp. So, after rinsing the relaxer out you’re supposed to wash with a low pH shampoo that neutralizes the high alkalinity.

What to look for:
Unless you’re relaxing your hair, it’s doubtful you’ll need a real neutralizing product. But if you do, look for one with a low pH (probably from citric acid.) Technically speaking, we should have added this one to our list of the 4 basic types of shampoo. (Even though I wrote that one, let’s blame that oversight on the Left Brain, shall we?)

Examples of relaxers that contain a neutralizing shampoo
Phytospecific Phytorelaxer
Motions

ETA Source: http://thebeautybrains.com/2008/03/10/clarifying-chelating-and-neutralizing-shampoos/
 
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hello :) im new to posting; i've finally come out of hiding...and i have what i belive may be a simple question but here goes:

does deep conditioning multiple times in a week make that much more of a difference than only doing it once per week?
 
hello :) im new to posting; i've finally come out of hiding...and i have what i belive may be a simple question but here goes:

does deep conditioning multiple times in a week make that much more of a difference than only doing it once per week?

I think it depends on the person. There are people who find DCing more than once a week makes their hair feel better than doing it just once. While others might suffer from mushy hair (too much moisture) or hard hair (too much protein) depending on what conditioner is used. I guess one just has to test the two regimens to see which one leaves the hair feeling its best.
 
hello :) im new to posting; i've finally come out of hiding...and i have what i belive may be a simple question but here goes:

does deep conditioning multiple times in a week make that much more of a difference than only doing it once per week?

I don't think you have to do this to get healthy hair. BUT, the reason it can make a difference is that after about 2 or 3 days the conditioner is gone from the hair. It doesn't just stick around forever. SO...theoretically, if you condition more often, you have the conditioner in your hair on a more consistent basis, and therefore you hair can benefit from the conditioner for a longer period of time. I think my 4a hair likes to be conditioned at least 2x a week. But, this doesn't happen always. I'm busy and I like to wear my hair straight and I can't be straightening my hair all the time. BUT, if I could wear my hair curly then I would no doubt condition more often. :yep:
 
Is Silicon Mix conditioner considered a protein or moisturizing condish?

http://store.sickbay.biz/risimixtr16o.html


Good question, I've asked about this before because I saw it being referred to as both... but I think it's considered a protein conditioner. It has keratin in it, so I think that makes it a protein.

Also, there are 2 different versions... I bought this one the other day from a BSS:

http://www.bluebeez.com/goods_detail.php?gid=1560&cid=181

I thought it was pretty much the same thing as the other, just that the one I bought was the "new" version and it specifies that it's a protein conditioner.
 
hello :) im new to posting; i've finally come out of hiding...and i have what i belive may be a simple question but here goes:

does deep conditioning multiple times in a week make that much more of a difference than only doing it once per week?

I think it mostly depends on the condition of the hair. If the hair is well conditioned then the extra DC may not make such a big difference. But for i.e. dry, damaged, breakage prone hair, more DCs would most likely be very beneficial (provided you're using the right type of conditioner for the particular problem, of course).
 
what does GVP stand for? I manage to figure out everyother acronym, except this one. I know it's a product, but what product?
 
hello :) im new to posting; i've finally come out of hiding...and i have what i belive may be a simple question but here goes:

does deep conditioning multiple times in a week make that much more of a difference than only doing it once per week?

When I began my hair journey, I tried to DC twice a week, but I didn't see much of a difference on my hair, and that was just too much manipulation for me. I dropped back to DCing once a week, but that was too time-consuming. :look: So now, I just co-wash once a week and only DC 4 times a year (with texlax touchup). I drink plenty of water and moisturize my ends daily, which is why I can go so long without a DC. Everyone has different hair needs, though, so you just have to experiment to see what works best for you.
 
what does GVP stand for? I manage to figure out everyother acronym, except this one. I know it's a product, but what product?

It stands for Generic Value Products. I think it's a brand of generic products and appliances sold by Sally's Beauty Supply.
 
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Ok..now I have a question.

I made a comment on the silicon mix question in this thread saying that if a conditioner has keratin in it, it's considered a protein conditioner.... is this correct? I know I read that somewhere on here..

I'm just about to use the GVP version of Nexxus Humectress(a deep moisturzing condish) and I noticed there are Keratin Amino Acids in it...so is it really just a moisturizing conditioner?

Are there any moisturizing conditioners that have NO protein at all in them? I'm having a hard time finding one...
 
Whats so great about tea rinses? I see ppl talking about it alot, but what purpose does it serve? Is it similar to an acv rinse? And I can use whichever tea I want?? Sorry for al the questions.....
 
Whats so great about tea rinses? I see ppl talking about it alot, but what purpose does it serve? Is it similar to an acv rinse? And I can use whichever tea I want?? Sorry for al the questions.....

Well, from what I'm gathering, tea rinses are supposed to decrease shedding amongst doing other things as well. I hope someone else can chime in. But I do know that is suppose to be one of the major benefits.
 
Ok I'm about to get my booty kicked...but um...what's the Nikko's cousin joke?? I'm a longtime lurker and recent member, but I don't get it. Cheezy wants to laugh too!
 
Ok I'm about to get my booty kicked...but um...what's the Nikko's cousin joke?? I'm a longtime lurker and recent member, but I don't get it. Cheezy wants to laugh too!

I have no clue!!! I wanna know this too!!! lol

Nikos is the site administrator/maintenance person. If you scroll down to the very bottom of the site you'll see his name Nikos D.

We refer to members of this site as Nikos' cousins.

A while ago the ladies were discussing how to approach someone IRL who they think may be member of this site. They didn't want to go up to the person and ask, so they made up the term Nikos' cousin. So when you see someone IRL who you think is a member you can simply go up to them and say "Hey, are you Nikos' cousin" If they say no, you've saved yourself the embarrassment. If yes, then thats great.
 
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Nikos' Cousin (<--please note the spelling and position of the apostrophe) is not really a joke. It is just a term created as a code name for members of LHCF to use if in the outside world. In other words, if you are out walking and you see someone with beautiful hair that you suspect is a member here, instead of asking, "Are you a member of LHCF?" and getting a weird look, you can ask "Are you Nikos' cousin?" If they don't know what you're talking about or ask who the heck Nikos is, then you know you're barking up the wrong tree, and so you can make your excuses and quick exit. If they do and give an affirmative answer, then you just met one of us.

Alternatively, you could just wear a T-shirt under your clothes like some of us do and just flash it:
SupermanNikosCousin-vi.jpg


Or just let it all shine out by going out in full glory wearing one of the "Are You Nikos' Cousin?" T-shirts.

And if you're wondering who Nikos is, he is the guru to whom we owe our gratitude for the maintenance of this forum. Full name: Nikos Dimopoulos, which can be seen at the bottom of every page.

ETA: In case you haven't got your T-shirt and don't know where to get it, here you go: :giggle:

http://www.printfection.com/SkeeterTees
 
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Whats so great about tea rinses? I see ppl talking about it alot, but what purpose does it serve? Is it similar to an acv rinse? And I can use whichever tea I want?? Sorry for al the questions.....


Well I guess it depends on what's in the tea ... I do a herbal tea rinse with herbs like nettle because they are good for the scalp. I also do ayurvedic powder tea rinses when I'm in braids/ weaves as it would be much harder to get pastes out.
 
Well I guess it depends on what's in the tea ... I do a herbal tea rinse with herbs like nettle because they are good for the scalp. I also do ayurvedic powder tea rinses when I'm in braids/ weaves as it would be much harder to get pastes out.

Ooooo Interesting. Thanks! Maybe I might give it a try!
 
Good question, I've asked about this before because I saw it being referred to as both... but I think it's considered a protein conditioner. It has keratin in it, so I think that makes it a protein.

Also, there are 2 different versions... I bought this one the other day from a BSS:

http://www.bluebeez.com/goods_detail.php?gid=1560&cid=181

I thought it was pretty much the same thing as the other, just that the one I bought was the "new" version and it specifies that it's a protein conditioner.

Thank you.
 
i've got a dumb q too

I've seen many post where ppl say it's normal to lose an average of 100 hairs per day.. so my question is does that mean breakage is normal? otherwise what kind of hair should be coming out?
 
i've got a dumb q too

I've seen many post where ppl say it's normal to lose an average of 100 hairs per day.. so my question is does that mean breakage is normal? otherwise what kind of hair should be coming out?

People shed, on average, 100 hairs a day. Some more, some less. Shed hair has a bulb on the end of it.

Breakage is a totally different thing. 100 broken hairs a day is not normal.
 
How do you put a pic as an attachment in a thread? I can't figure it out for the life of me!:wallbash:

when you are about to post in "advance post", there should be a little paper clip towards the top with the fonts, etc. then you click on it, and upload the pic from there. did i answer your question, or that wasn't the answer you were looking for?
 
Oh, and for my other dumb question:

Am I doing something wrong, or are tea rinses (regular tea rinses, and ayurvedic tea rinses) kinda messy? how do you pour the tea over your head and not get stuff running down your face and neck, etc.?
 
Oh, and for my other dumb question:

Am I doing something wrong, or are tea rinses (regular tea rinses, and ayurvedic tea rinses) kinda messy? how do you pour the tea over your head and not get stuff running down your face and neck, etc.?

You bend over a bath tub almost doubling over so that your scalp is kinda pointing diagonally downwards and your chin is kinda tucked into your chest. That way, your hair is hanging down and maybe only your forehead gets wet. You have to keep your head below your neck...hence the bending over to almost doubling up.
 
How do you put a pic as an attachment in a thread? I can't figure it out for the life of me!:wallbash:

Also, when responding to a thread or starting one of your own, if you scroll down, you will see a button "Manage Attachments" and then when you click on it, you get a window that lets you browse to the place on your PC where your pic is stored. Then you click the "Upload" button...and in that same window you will see that your photo has been uploaded. Sometimes it may not work if your photo is bigger than the allowed dimensions--these are shown in that window that you use to upload. Once you see your photo has been attached, you can close that window that popped up and when you submit, a thumbnail of your photo will be in your post.
 
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