ARE CHRISTIANS SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION?

Makeupgirl, I really could not comment without offending you and for that I apologize. I know you copied it and so it is to the person that wrote this article this post is actually meant for, it is not accurate. It provides false hope and allows people to believe that when Jesus comes they have seven years left to get it right and no where in the word of God does it say that. Those seven years are explained already. This man has it completely wrong. In any case most of the Prophecy mentioned above, out of order, has already been fulfilled. I will post later all of the prophecies that have been fulfilled. Because its important to know whats really going on. The bible says in Luke 21:25-26
Luke 21:25-26

King James Version (KJV)

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
All this stuff going on people are lost and want to know where to turn. My situation is no better. I am concerned as to how I will handle the difficult times ahead, I have to much on my shoulders, but inside I am excited because I know the Lord is coming soon. I also know we need to be accurate and so I will come back with the fufilled prohecies, I believed I posted this already.
 
There is no truth more fixed and dependable than God’s faithfulness. His saints, redeemed by the Blood of His Son, Jesus Christ, are His delight. We are not just His servants; we are His friends and the future Bride of his Son. We are plainly instructed by the Apostle Paul that we are joint heirs with Jesus Christ. “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.” (Romans 8:15-17). “Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.” (Luke 12:32).

Understanding His faithfulness and knowing that we are “heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ are foundational truths for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The wrath of God has never been directed against His chosen that find grace in His presence. Not one Scripture in the Word of God places the righteous and the unholy together under a display of the Father’s wrath. From the worship of Cain and Abel in Genesis chapter 4, God always makes a distinction between obedience and disobedience. God accepted Abel’s worship and rejected Cain’s bloodless sacrifice and the manifestation of God’s Spirit in accepting Abel’s worship left no doubt. Holy Justice can never condemn the righteous for the deeds of the wicked. This is a principle that underlies every revelation of the Holy Bible.

The Differences Between Tribulation and Wrath! … In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33). It is probably unfortunate that we use the same word tribulation for the normal experiences of every Biblical saint with the period the Scripture calls the “Great Tribulation.” There is a total difference between the “much tribulation” that Luke wrote about in Acts and the “Great Tribulation” that Jesus spoke about as recorded in Matthew. Luke stated, “Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:22). Matthew recorded Jesus’ words as following, “And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” (Matthew 24:19-22). The difference is extremely clear.

The word tribulation embodies the idea of pressure and trouble. There are clearly many different levels of this pressure or trouble throughout the Scripture. Jesus Christ experienced incredible pressure and sorrows in His crisis of death. The tribulation of His sorrows in behalf of our redemption is the basis of why He said, … In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome (already defeated those tribulations) the world.” (John 16:33). The tribulation that the Son of God experienced for us, but that we still face by faith in Him is not the wrath of God but the wrath of the world. This pressure that Satan and the world under his control brings to bear has no kinship to the pressure of God’s wrath directed toward the wicked and Satan’s crowd.
When you simply translate the word tribulation by its distinctive meaning of pressure and trouble, it clears up the confusion that many people have assigned to this subject. As Luke wrote in Acts, we enter into the Kingdom of God by much pressure and trouble. The world is not a friend to the saints of God. “We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.” (II Corinthians 4:8-11). These tribulations or pressures that we bear make mature saints out of us as we trust in Him and die to our own selves. The “Great Tribulation” is a distinctive time of pressure and trouble directed towards a population that is infested with sin: that has rejected the revelations of Jesus Christ. It is also planned as tribulation or pressure against the hordes of hell or Satan and his fallen angels. While our tribulation or pressure produces redemption of the saints, this future tribulation or pressure produces the redemption of the earth and God’s cosmos. This makes it clear why the same word is used. In both cases, it is redemption that is produced by the pressure of tribulation.

God Never Inflicts His Wrath on His Saints! It is Biblically unthinkable that our God would ever allow His chosen saints to be left in the middle of His judgment of the wicked. He has never done so, nor will He ever do such an unprincipled thing. It is contrary to His nature and to His faithfulness. To leave the saints of God on this earth, while He poured out His redeeming wrath on the Christ-rejecting crowd would strike at the heart of His holiness. It will not happen because it cannot happen. Anything that is contrary to His nature must never be assigned to His actions.
 
The Days of Noah! The Book of Genesis is an infallible part of the Holy Bible. Every word of this Book is exact and perfectly true. It was Jesus Christ Himself that compared the days of Noah with the coming of the Son of Man. “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.” (Matthew 24:36-42). Reasonable scholars that do not have strange theology to defend believe that this is the exact language concerning the Rapture before the Tribulation.

The story concerning Noah is breathtaking. The Father was repenting that He had created man. “And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.” (Genesis 6:6). He then determined that He would destroy man and beast from the face of this earth and then He stated again, “… for it repenteth me that I have made them.” (Genesis 6:7). Then our faithful God looked in the direction of a godly man named Noah and stated, “But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.” (Genesis 6:8). What a picture of the nature of God’s holiness. He was ready to destroy His own creation, but then one man was not guilty of the filth of the rest and God devised a plan to save that one man and his family from the planned holocaust. This principle sets the tone for the entire Word of God and God’s acts of judgment. He must judge sin, but He will do it by the principles of His own nature.
Noah had to act in obedience to receive the promise of deliverance from the impending wrath. He was instructed to build an ark to the saving of His household and was given the plans for the same. This is the same principle that has never changed. Our salvation is free, but Jesus made it plain that our deliverance from impending wrath is a matter of our faithfulness. Jesus said, “But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.” (Matthew 24:43-44). He forever makes a difference between the righteous and the unrighteous.
 
When Noah had finished the ark, God Himself came to see the project. While He was on the inside, He called to Noah, “And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.” (Genesis 7:1). When Noah and his family, plus all the creatures of the earth had finished entering the ark, the Scripture states, “… and the LORD shut him in.” (Genesis 7:16b). It’s beautiful to see the Lord call him from the inside, but shut the door from the outside. God cannot be limited to an ark made by man, but He certainly was responsible for the security of Noah’s family by securing the door Himself. This story is a breathtaking truth. It is a perfect picture of God’s faithfulness in the judgment of the wicked. The protection of the righteous is a personal thing with our Heavenly Father. He did not assign this project to even His most trusted angel.

The Days of Lot! Lot and his removal from Sodom and Gomorrah before its destruction is another prime picture of God’s nature in judgment. He will always and in every case judge sin, but He will never judge the righteous at the same moment or in the same manner. It is impossible for sin to ever go unpunished, but it is just as impossible for sin and righteousness to be treated the same. Sodom and Gomorrah’s population had filled the cup of sin to its max. But, our God determined that He by His nature would do right and the righteous had to be delivered. Listen to the words of Abraham when he was speaking to the Lord, “That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

The Heavenly Father sent His angels right into the throbs of filth to assure the removal of Lot and those in his family that feared God. Our God even said that if He found as few as ten righteous persons in Sodom and Gomorrah, He would not destroy the city. “… And he (God) said, I will not destroy it for ten’s sake.” (Genesis 18:32b). Settle it in your mind that this is God’s nature and not just a story of how He acted in one circumstance. He is the Lord and He doesn’t change. Lot had family that had become compromised by the evil of their surroundings. They had no fear of God and laughed Lot to scorn. “And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.” (Genesis 19:14). We live in a similar generation where the families of many believers are careless and unconcerned. It is evident that Lot had allowed himself to give up the more separated life of a Bedouin for the comforts of Sodom and Gomorrah. The New Testament writer said that Lot’s righteous soul was “vexed by the unlawful deeds” of these sodomites. “And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)” (II Peter 2:6-8).
I believe he lost those family members because he chose worldly comforts over living a separated life with them in a pure environment. How many believers, themselves living holy lives, have taken their families into social settings and compromising churches only to watch their children lose the fear of God. It is sad to consider this Godly man having to leave these cities knowing that part of his family was “left behind.” In fact, Lot was so hesitant to leave that the angels had to remove him. “And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law. And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.” (Genesis 19:14-16).

The angels had to take Lot and his wife and two of his daughters by the hands and take them out of the city. This generation seems about as reluctant to escape this filthy world as Lot and his family were. Finally, the angel said, “Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.” (Genesis 19:22). Do not forget those words, “…for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither.” This is the faithfulness of God. They were not saved by their goodness, but by His “grace.” It is easy to understand why Lot’s wife looked back and lost her deliverance. She was leaving daughters, son-in-laws, and probably grandchildren to be consumed in the flames of fire and brimstone. She could not refrain herself from looking back when her own flesh and blood was about to suffer hell on earth. “But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.” (Genesis 19:26). Is it possible that this scenario will be repeated when the Son of Man comes for His saints? Will there be saintly people so besieged with passions for their unsaved loved ones that they miss the Rapture? I would not suggest so, but the thought strikes terror to my heart. Remember the Scripture, “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” (Hebrews 9:28). Regardless of what is left behind, His saints must look for Him without hesitation.

He Reserves Wrath For His Enemies! This prophetic truth spoken by a prophet named Nahum is breathtaking, “God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies” (Nahum 1:2). What a statement of absolute perfection concerning the nature of God in His judgments. The wrath of God cannot be mixed but is always divinely discerned in the object of its activities. God is a jealous God. He will not allow sin to go unpunished. Never! But, He reserves His wrath for His enemies. As our Heavenly Father, He will chasten us, lay His rod of correction upon us and deal correctingly, but lovingly with us. He may even direct His righteous anger at us because of disobedience, but His wrath is reserved for the wicked that refuse to obey His will. He created this universe for His glory and honor and He is jealous over it with an unfailing love. It will be subject unto Him shortly and all that opposes Him will be consumed by His wrath.

This principle lives even more beautifully in the New Covenant. Jesus filled His message with the promises that He came not to condemn but to save. Jesus said, “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” (John 3:17-21).

His great message of deliverance forever tempers the rigid positions of His commandments. The laws of God bring conviction of sin, but the grace of God cleanses and delivers us from the powers of sin. He is the door by which we escape the coming wrath; therefore, we are no longer under the “fear of judgment.” The coming “seven years of wrath” is not a “New Covenant” message. It is an “Old Covenant” message. Jesus reinterated this fact when He prophesied of its future fulfillment. The wrath of God and the wrath of the Lamb are seen in their coming horror in Revelation chapter six. This earth cannot be a “Garden of Eden” until righteousness is established in judgment. Sin was finished on the cross, but the finality of this finish has to be manifest by an outpouring of wrath on those that refuse the pardon from sin’s prison. Sin is finished in those that are redeemed by His blood, but the enemies of God are yet to be dealt with.

Now, we see why the “wrath of God” must be poured forth, but it is unthinkable and impossible for those redeemed by His blood to be subject to this wrath. He has Himself borne our wrath on His cross at Calvary. If we were subject to that wrath, then Calvary would have been in vain. We must look at this wrath and note those that cry out because of its terror. “And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” (Revelation 6:15-17). The saints are already around the throne as this defining moment begins.
 
Paul’s epistle confirms this truth, “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.” (II Thessalonians 5:9-11). This Scripture, when viewed in light of the above facts, almost comes off the pages of Holy Writ. The Jewish believers were students of the laws and prophets of God. They trembled under the weight of the coming judgments for sin. Their history is filled with examples of God’s wrath. The story of the Assyrians and Babylonians, who acted as God’s instruments of judgment, were all too familiar. It was “Good News” to hear that Jesus Christ had taken their wrath on the cross and that they no longer had to flee.

As a whole, the Nation of Israel refused this message and rejected the Son of God and they have lived under wrath since that day with more to come. As wounded as my heart feels for the Nation of Israel today, even as I pray for the peace of Jerusalem, that peace cannot be complete until Messiah comes and they are redeemed. We resist the truth of God’s Word when we expect them to have complete peace until they repent for helping crucify the Son of God. Thank God we are at the door of that prophetic moment. Israel, will soon be under the ultimate wrath of the Lamb and will be redeemed when they see Him coming in glory at the conclusion of the Battle of Armageddon Our present joy is to “wait for the Son from Heaven.” The apostles’ messages were constantly filled with this assurance. They knew that God’s wrath was a future fact, but they had no dread. “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” (I Thessalonians 1:10).

Apostle Peter spoke with enthusiasm of the same assurance. Look carefully at the hope of His words. “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.” (II Peter 3:10-14).

Conclusion! On and on you can search the pages of the New Covenant to find much assurance that we, as His saints, are not “appointed unto wrath.” We have been delivered from that wrath because he took our wrath for us. “Isaiah the prophet said, “It pleased the Lord to bruise Him” that we might be set free. This does not give us liberty to be lovers of this world and to live carelessly. Rather, it calls us unto holiness and soberness of mind. John the Revelator summed it up to the Church of Philadelphia. He stated by the Holy Ghost as given to Jesus by the Father, “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” (Revelation 3:10). For the saints of God, who are watching the incredible events of prophetic fulfillment, the atmosphere is filled with the Blessed Hope.


“SEVEN YEARS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION” IS THE TITLE OF “OPEN BIBLE DIALOGUE”that started last SATURDAY. The Lying Prophets hate the END TIMES Prophesy in the Bible. You can identify almost all Doctrinal error by the absence of PRE-TRIBULATION teaching. The Emergent Church hates the GREAT TRIBULATION at the same level as the Devil hates it.

By Joseph Chambers
 
Paul’s epistle confirms this truth, “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.” (II Thessalonians 5:9-11). This Scripture, when viewed in light of the above facts, almost comes off the pages of Holy Writ. The Jewish believers were students of the laws and prophets of God. They trembled under the weight of the coming judgments for sin. Their history is filled with examples of God’s wrath. The story of the Assyrians and Babylonians, who acted as God’s instruments of judgment, were all too familiar. It was “Good News” to hear that Jesus Christ had taken their wrath on the cross and that they no longer had to flee.

As a whole, the Nation of Israel refused this message and rejected the Son of God and they have lived under wrath since that day with more to come. As wounded as my heart feels for the Nation of Israel today, even as I pray for the peace of Jerusalem, that peace cannot be complete until Messiah comes and they are redeemed. We resist the truth of God’s Word when we expect them to have complete peace until they repent for helping crucify the Son of God. Thank God we are at the door of that prophetic moment. Israel, will soon be under the ultimate wrath of the Lamb and will be redeemed when they see Him coming in glory at the conclusion of the Battle of Armageddon Our present joy is to “wait for the Son from Heaven.” The apostles’ messages were constantly filled with this assurance. They knew that God’s wrath was a future fact, but they had no dread. “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” (I Thessalonians 1:10).

Apostle Peter spoke with enthusiasm of the same assurance. Look carefully at the hope of His words. “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.” (II Peter 3:10-14).

Conclusion! On and on you can search the pages of the New Covenant to find much assurance that we, as His saints, are not “appointed unto wrath.” We have been delivered from that wrath because he took our wrath for us. “Isaiah the prophet said, “It pleased the Lord to bruise Him” that we might be set free. This does not give us liberty to be lovers of this world and to live carelessly. Rather, it calls us unto holiness and soberness of mind. John the Revelator summed it up to the Church of Philadelphia. He stated by the Holy Ghost as given to Jesus by the Father, “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” (Revelation 3:10). For the saints of God, who are watching the incredible events of prophetic fulfillment, the atmosphere is filled with the Blessed Hope.


“SEVEN YEARS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION” IS THE TITLE OF “OPEN BIBLE DIALOGUE”that started last SATURDAY. The Lying Prophets hate the END TIMES Prophesy in the Bible. You can identify almost all Doctrinal error by the absence of PRE-TRIBULATION teaching. The Emergent Church hates the GREAT TRIBULATION at the same level as the Devil hates it.

By Joseph Chambers

Great lesson.
 
As I was reading this, a thought popped into my head: those who seek comfort and peace in this world will be disappointed; those who seek Him and His Kingdom will be "healed of the curse (avoid judgment? survive the trials?)."

I am super-busy right now, so the response will trickle out.

There is no truth more fixed and dependable than God’s faithfulness. His saints, redeemed by the Blood of His Son, Jesus Christ, are His delight. We are not just His servants; we are His friends and the future Bride of his Son.
John 15:14 [Jesus said,] “You are my friends, if you do whatever I command you.”

Matthew 12:50 [Jesus said,] “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
We are plainly instructed by the Apostle Paul that we are joint heirs with Jesus Christ. “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.” (Romans 8:15-17). “Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.” (Luke 12:32).
Mark 10:38 and Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, “You know not what you ask. Are you able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”
Understanding His faithfulness and knowing that we are “heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ are foundational truths for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.
The author’s opinion only.

The wrath of God has never been directed against His chosen that find grace in His presence.
No righteous have died during the judgment of a nation?

Not one Scripture in the Word of God places the righteous and the unholy together under a display of the Father’s wrath.
Wrong, Noah and his family went through the flood and survive by Noah’s obedience. The Book of Exodus demonstrates His people in the midst of Egypt’s judgment but He guided them through it. This will happen again. There is no biblical precedent for a rapture out of trials and troubles.

From the worship of Cain and Abel in Genesis chapter 4, God always makes a distinction between obedience and disobedience. God accepted Abel’s worship and rejected Cain’s bloodless sacrifice and the manifestation of God’s Spirit in accepting Abel’s worship left no doubt. Holy Justice can never condemn the righteous for the deeds of the wicked. This is a principle that underlies every revelation of the Holy Bible.
But that does not mean the righteous will escape torture and death. This guy sounds like Job's friends.

The Differences Between Tribulation and Wrath! … In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33). It is probably unfortunate that we use the same word tribulation for the normal experiences of every Biblical saint with the period the Scripture calls the “Great Tribulation.” There is a total difference between the “much tribulation” that Luke wrote about in Acts and the “Great Tribulation” that Jesus spoke about as recorded in Matthew.
The Great Tribulation is NOT the Wrath of the LORD; they are two separate time periods.

Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Luke stated, “Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:22). Matthew recorded Jesus’ words as following, “And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” (Matthew 24:19-22). The difference is extremely clear.
The difference demonstrated here is the trouble and suffering of the true saints right now verses the final trial that is a sign of His coming. See Psalm 91 for another example of what believers will go through.
 
The word tribulation embodies the idea of pressure and trouble. There are clearly many different levels of this pressure or trouble throughout the Scripture. Jesus Christ experienced incredible pressure and sorrows in His crisis of death. The tribulation of His sorrows in behalf of our redemption is the basis of why He said, … In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome (already defeated those tribulations) the world.” (John 16:33).
Well, this paragraph just downgraded all of the martyrs of the faith. The Father will reward them, anyway (Revelation 2:10, Revelation 12:11). Also, Jesus overcame sin and death by being our final sacrifice, not tribulation.

The tribulation that the Son of God experienced for us, but that we still face by faith in Him is not the wrath of God but the wrath of the world. This pressure that Satan and the world under his control brings to bear has no kinship to the pressure of God’s wrath directed toward the wicked and Satan’s crowd.
Matthew 24:9-14 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and you shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 13:9-13 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues you shall be beaten: and you shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what you shall speak, neither do you premeditate: but whatever shall be given you in that hour, that speak you: for it is not you that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

That means the end of the Great Tribulation is the end of Evangel being preached fully in the world. Nowhere does it say we are removed from persecution and death.

When you simply translate the word tribulation by its distinctive meaning of pressure and trouble, it clears up the confusion that many people have assigned to this subject. As Luke wrote in Acts, we enter into the Kingdom of God by much pressure and trouble. The world is not a friend to the saints of God. “We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.” (II Corinthians 4:8-11). These tribulations or pressures that we bear make mature saints out of us as we trust in Him and die to our own selves.
1 Corinthians 1:17-19 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. [Isaiah 29:14]

1 Corinthians 2:4-5 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power. That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

He is repeating himself, trying to push the idea that the trials of faith are all we have to worry about. If that were the case, the ecclesia would be operating at full power, instead of being retarded by the “good intentions” of men.

The “Great Tribulation” is a distinctive time of pressure and trouble directed towards a population that is infested with sin: that has rejected the revelations of Jesus Christ. It is also planned as tribulation or pressure against the hordes of hell or Satan and his fallen angels. While our tribulation or pressure produces redemption of the saints, this future tribulation or pressure produces the redemption of the earth and God’s cosmos. This makes it clear why the same word is used. In both cases, it is redemption that is produced by the pressure of tribulation.
The timeline of Jesus’ return was directed towards the saints during the end times, since that is what the disciples asked about.

God Never Inflicts His Wrath on His Saints! It is Biblically unthinkable that our God would ever allow His chosen saints to be left in the middle of His judgment of the wicked. He has never done so, nor will He ever do such an unprincipled thing. It is contrary to His nature and to His faithfulness. To leave the saints of God on this earth, while He poured out His redeeming wrath on the Christ-rejecting crowd would strike at the heart of His holiness. It will not happen because it cannot happen. Anything that is contrary to His nature must never be assigned to His actions.
This guy is repeating himself again! This is an old technique of persuasion: say the same things in different ways. I am done; this screed is not of God, but from a dominionist who believes in using the tools of the world to talk people into the Evangel instead of letting His words and Spirit do their job.

It boils down to this: either you believe what Jesus said in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and about the saints in Revelation, or you do not. Nothing Paul or any one else said means anything without believing what Jesus, the Word of God, said. And no, Matthew 24 and Mark 13 have NOT been fulfilled yet.
 
2 Peter 1:20 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”
Isaiah 28:10 “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:”
1 John 2:18-19 “Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there MANY antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from US, but they were not of US; for if they had been of US, they would no doubt have continued with US: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of US.”
Did you note that John said that antichrist went out from US? Thus John is saying that antichrist was part of their own Church but they went out on their own. He is also saying that antichrist was more than one person and these people went out on their own and formed their own Church. Again, how can this be if antichrist is supposedly only one man?

Are you ready for the real bombshell? The theory of a future one man antichrist was manufactured prophecy from the 15th century and was written by some very evil people. Are you ready for an even bigger bombshell? These Jesuits were commissioned to do this by this very antichrist power itself that John spoke of and was done to divert attention off themselves as being antichrist and to place it on some future fictional one man antichrist.
the beast is here now and has been operating for over a thousand years. Again, this prophecy is not against sincere people who do not fully understand the Bible, but against a system that leads away from direct faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and has introduced many subtle traditions into the Christian Church

This was done when the early Protestants discovered that the real identity of antichrist was actually right under their nose and the word spread quickly. It was discovered that the antichrist was not an individual but an entire antichrist system that denies Jesus came in the flesh and has greatly affected what is important to God such as His sanctuary, His Church and His law
Apocalyptic films like A Thief in the Night, Revelation, Apocalypse, and Left Behind: The Movie, all depict the vanishing of Christians in the Rapture prior to the arrival of the Antichrist. In fact, this concept of Rapture first and Antichrist second has become so popular that many are not even willing to listen to an alternative view. Yet Jesus Christ definitely requires an attitude of openness to His Word from every Christian. Just because a certain doctrine is believed by millions, this does not necessarily mean it is true. Jesus said, “Search the Scriptures” (John 5:39). The noble Bereans “searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether those things were so” (Acts 17:11). We must “test all things,” and “hold fast to that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

According to the Bible, which comes first, the Rapture or the arrival of the Antichrist? Amazingly, the Paul gives us a very straight and simple answer in 2 Thessalonians 2:1, 3.

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our gathering together to Him [here is when the church is gathered] ... Let no man deceive you by any means [this warning is addressed to Christians]. For that day [the day when Jesus comes to gather us] shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed [Antichrist], the son of perdition.”

Do you see it? Paul wrote about: 1) the coming of Jesus Christ; 2) our gathering to Him; and 3) the arrival of the Man of Sin. When it comes to the order of events, Paul is very definite. He said that before Jesus comes to gather us, the falling away must take place first and the Man of Sin must be revealed. Thus the Man of Sin [also called Antichrist], must come first, before Jesus comes to gather us.

Paul said, “Let no man deceive you by any means” about this exact truth!Paul called the Antichrist, “the man of sin ... the son of perdition” (2 Thessalonians 2:3). It is primarily because of this verse that millions have come to believe that there will be only one super sinister Mr. Sin who will rise to power after the Rapture. Is it true? Will there be only one man, the Antichrist? Is this what Paul really meant?

First of all, in the little book of 1 John, the Bible plainly says there are “many antichrists” and John states that antichrist came from US speaking of the Church (1 John 2:18-19), and a “spirit of antichrist” (1 John 4:3). John also wrote that any person who denies the true doctrine of Jesus Christ is “a deceiver and an antichrist” (2 John 7, 9). Thus so far, the idea of there being only “one” antichrist fails the biblical test.

There are other equally inspired statements in the Bible which parallel Paul’s expression, “the man of sin.” Prophecy also refers to this same Antichrist as the “little horn” (Daniel 7:8), the “beast” (Revelation 13:1), “the mystery of iniquity” (2 Thessalonians 2:7), and “that Wicked” (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Do all of these expressions refer to one evil person who will rise to power after the Rapture? You are about to see that they do not.

Most agree that Daniel’s “little horn,” Revelation’s mysterious “beast,” and Paul’s “man of sin,” all refer to the same thing. Daniel 7 describes four beasts: a lion, a bear, a leopard and a dragon like beast with ten horns (Daniel 7:3-7). Then comes the “little horn” out of the head of the fourth beast (Daniel 7:8). This little horn has “eyes like the eyes of a man,” “a mouth speaking great things,” and “makes war on the saints” (Daniel 7:8, 21). This is exactly what “the beast” has and does in Revelation 13:5, 7. Thus the “little horn” is the same as “the beast.” But what many fail to discern is that in Daniel 7, a beast is clearly defined as a kingdom, not a man. The Holy Word says, “...the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth” (Daniel 7:23).

The Bible doesn’t say the “little horn” is a man, but rather that it would have “eyes like the eyes of a man” (Daniel 7:8). When Paul used the expression, “the man of sin,” in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, he was simply referring to the “little horn” with its “eyes like the eyes of a man.” Yet that same horn is called a “beast” in Revelation 13:1, and the Bible clearly tells us that a beast represents a great kingdom (Daniel 7:23).

A careful study of 2 Thessalonians 2 reveals the impossibility of “the man of sin,” also called to “the mystery of iniquity,” and “that Wicked,” as only applying to one man. First, “the mystery of iniquity,” although under restraint, was “already at work” in Paul’s time (verse 7). Second, it would continue all the way until the visible return of Jesus Christ at the end of the world (verse 8). Thus it cannot refer to only one man, for that man would have to be almost 2,000 years old!

Did Paul ever use the expression “the man” in any of his other writings in such a way that it does not refer to only one man? Yes. Paul wrote, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:15-16. Here “the man of God” does not refer to only one Holy Man, but rather to a succession of godly men throughout history who follow the Scriptures. Paul also used the phrase, “the minister of God” (Romans 13:4) to refer to all civil officers throughout history who restrain evil. Thus, Paul’s mysterious phrase, “the man of sin,” which is the same as the “little horn,” and the “beast,” may properly refer to an actual “kingdom” with “eyes like the eyes of a man,” that is, to a kingdom cantered in a historical succession of supremely exalted men who, contrary to the Scriptures, are part of “the mystery of iniquity.”
 
In Daniel 9:24-27 God gave a prophecy concerning the probation of Israel. Daniel 9:24 reads, “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”

God was going to allow Daniel’s people seventy weeks to end their rebellion against God and if they failed, Israel would be rejected as a nation. The seventy weeks are prophetic time and each day represents a literal year (Ezekiel 4:6 and Numbers 14:34). So the seventy weeks would actually be a literal 490 years after which the Israelites were no longer God’s people. The seventy prophetic weeks were to begin with the decree to restore and build Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:25 “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.”

That well known date is 457 B.C., when Artaxerxes sent out the decree. (Ezra 7:13) From that date the Jews would have exactly 490 years to stop their rebellion towards God. The 490 year probation ended in A.D. 34 and the Jews ceased to be God’s chosen people. Daniel 9:25 says that the Messiah would be anointed after the total of sixty nine of those prophetic weeks had passed by. That would be 483 years from the decree date of 457 B.C. It takes no mathematician to figure the end of that prediction. It brings us to the year A.D. 27, the very year that Jesus was baptized by John and the Holy Spirit anointed Him for His ministry. Since “Messiah” means “Anointed One,” this can only be the fulfilment of Daniel’s prophecy that the Messiah would appear in A.D. 27. Seventy weeks were assigned to the Jewish probation but Christ appeared as the Messiah after sixty nine weeks. That leaves the final and seventieth week for Christ to minister before the Jews probation ended. What was to happen in the seventieth week?

Daniel 9:27 tells us, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.”

The “midst of the week” would be three and a half prophetic days (or 3.5 literal years) from His baptism and according to the Bible, the ministry of Jesus lasted for exactly that, three and a half years. In the spring of A.D. 31 Jesus was crucified and the veil of the temple was rent (Matthew 27:51), signifying the end of sacrifices. By His death He caused the “sacrifice and the oblation to cease.” Another three and a half years would lead up to the end of the seventy weeks and the end of Jewish probation. During that three and a half years the disciples laboured mainly for the Jews but in A.D. 34 the seventy weeks ended; Stephen was stoned after his immense speech before the council in Acts chapter 7 and the gospel began to go to the Gentiles (Acts 8:4). The Jews had rejected the gospel message and were no longer God’s chosen people just as Daniel had predicted. Now they could only be saved as individuals in exactly the same way as the Gentiles.

The seventy weeks or 490 years was the time God gave His chosen nation to end their rebellion where He would then forgive them for their transgressions. Notice how Jesus refers to this prophetic time period here in His conversation with Peter. Seventy times seven is of course 490.

Matthew 18:21 “Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.”

So we find this false rapturist theory gets the seven years tribulation by lifting that seventieth week of Daniel’s prophecy completely out of its context and shoving it far into the future where it is logically no longer the seventieth week. They claim it will be fulfilled after Christ comes to snatch away the righteous secretly. They agree that the sixty nine weeks of Daniel 9:25 refer to the period before Christ’s first advent, but then they insert a 2000 year gap before the seventieth week is fulfilled. They allot 69 weeks plus 2,000 years plus one week, or a total of approximately 2,490 years. By this devious manipulation of God’s Word, the rapturist’s believe they have extended the Jewish probation and based upon this, they teach that all the Jews will be saved in a great second chance after the “secret rapture” takes place.
it takes this beautiful messianic prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27, that proves Jesus is the Messiah by predicting His coming, His baptism and crucifixion, and then applying it to the Antichrist. They do this by stating that it is Antichrist that causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease after three and a half years. But Daniel states that it is Jesus who caused the sacrificial system of the Jews to cease when He died on the cross. A misinterpretation that confuses something Christ has done and applies it to the devil instead, is certainly a tragic and blasphemous occurrence. This is however the only way they could arrive at a seven year tribulation period. How very sad.

Aslo the Covenant with the Anti Christ -
He shall confirm the covenant.” Paul said “the covenant” was “confirmed before by God in Christ” (Galatians 3:17). Jesus Christ came “to confirm the promises made to the fathers” (Romans 15:8, emphasis added). In the King James Version, Daniel 9:27 doesn’t say “ a covenant” or peace treaty, but “ the covenant,” which applies to the New Covenant. Nowhere in the Bible does the antichrist make, confirm, or break a covenant with anyone. The word “covenant” is Messianic, and always applies to the Messiah, not the antichrist.
“He shall confirm the covenant with many. ” Jesus Christ said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many… ” (Matthew 26:28). Behold a perfect fit! Jesus was quoting Daniel 9:27 specifically.
“In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.” After exactly three and a half years of holy ministry, Jesus Christ died on the cross, “in the midst of the week [in the middle of the seven years].” At the exact moment of His death, “the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom…” (Matthew 27:51). This act of God signified that all animal sacrifices at that moment ceased to be of value. Why? Because the Perfect Sacrifice had been offered
  1. For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate.” “The abomination of desolation” (see Matthew 24:15) is not a simple subject, yet we know that Jesus clearly applied this event to the time when His followers were to flee from Jerusalem before the destruction of the second temple in A.D. 70. In a parallel text to Matthew 24:15, Jesus told His disciples, “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies [Roman armies led by Prince Titus], then know that its desolation is near ” (Luke 21:20, emphasis added). The disciples did “see” those very events. Because of the “abominations” of the Pharisees, Jesus told them, “See! Your house is left to you desolate” (Matthew 23:38). Thus Gabriel’s statement in Daniel 9:27 about Jerusalem becoming “desolate” was perfectly fulfilled in A.D. 70.
  2. Gabriel said that the 70-week prophecy specifically applied to the Jewish people (see Daniel 9:24). During the period of Christ’s public ministry of 3 1 / 2 years, the Master’s focus was largely upon “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:6). After His resurrection and then for another 3 1/2 years, His disciples preached mostly to Jews (see Acts 1-6). After that second 3 1/2 -year period, in 34 A.D., the bold Stephen was stoned by the Jewish Sanhedrin (see Acts 7). This infamous deed marked the then-ruling Jewish leaders’ final, official rejection of the gospel of our Savior. Then the gospel went to the Gentiles. In Acts 9, Saul became Paul, the “apostle to the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13). In Acts 10, God gave Peter a vision revealing it was now time to preach to the Gentiles (see Acts 10:1-28). Read also Acts 13:46. Thus approximately 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion— and at the end of the 70-week prophecy given f or the Jewish people—the gospel shifted to the Gentiles exactly as predicted in Bible prophecy.
 
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Do we go through the great tribulation?

The Bible says that those who refuse the Mark of the Beast will NOT be affected by the Seven Last Plagues that come over the whole world. (Revelation 16:2) But this does not mean that we will not have to go through the time of trouble, nor that we will not be persecuted.
John 16:33 “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”

Note again that it is no secret rapture when Jesus comes “as a thief” as the angels have just poured out six plagues on the Earth for those who received the Mark of the beast or worshipped his image. Hence we are definitely here during the tribulation as these plagues are part of God’s judgement which follows. God’s faithful ones are of course protected from these plagues.

Revelation 16:12, 15 “And the sixth angel poured out his vial (sixth plague) upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.”

And note that the elect described in Matthew 24:22 below are God’s people and there would be no need for God to cut short the great tribulation if His people were already in heaven.
Matthew 24:21-22 “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”

In Daniel 3:16-28 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were thrown into the fiery furnace but God was with them through the persecution and in this case took them safely through it. They refused to disobey God and kept His Commandments. Note how Revelation 14:12 below also talks of how those who did not get the Mark of the Beast also kept God’s Commandments. There is obviously a strong link there to obedience to God and who we Worship in regards to the Mark.

The Bible often refers to times of patience with times of suffering. Revelation 13:10 speaks of the “patient of the saints” after they endured the 1260 years of persecution from the Roman Church . Over 50 million Christians were tortured and murdered. Revelation 14:12 is the verse following the Mark of the Beast warning, and the “patience of the saints” as those who will endure through that time and still keep God’s Commandments.

Revelation 13:10 “He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”

Revelation 14:12 “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

The teaching of this false, manufactured Secret Rapture and escape from persecution will be a devastating deception for Christians. Persecution and suffering have always been God’s means of strengthening His people and producing strong character. Here is God’s purpose in times of tribulation. It is to build perseverance, character, trust and hope in Him.
Romans 5:3-4 “And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.”

Satan wants to impede and restrain strength and character building in Christians by getting us focused on escaping trouble and persecution instead of our preparing to go through persecution even to the point of death. Even Jesus “learned obedience by the things which he suffered.” (Hebrews 5:8) Jesus guarantees that if we speak His truth boldly, we will suffer persecution.

John 15:20 “Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.”

James 5:10 “Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.”

When these “soft” Christians are confronted with heavy persecution, they will fall like dominoes and Satan will be ecstatic and yet once again Satan’s lies will have been very successful.

Will there be a Second Chance?

I would imagine the answer to this question should be fairly obvious by now but let’s look at it anyway. Those who teach the secret rapture claim that during the tribulation those not raptured will be given another chance to be saved. Let it be categorically stated that absolutely nowhere does Scripture speak of any second chance, nor does the Bible anywhere speak of people being saved after Jesus comes. This is just another manmade doctrine that is indeed pleasing to the carnal heart of man and the devils intention to have those who would wait perish with Christ’s coming. The Bible in fact actually teaches the opposite. Notice these clear Scriptures;

2 Corinthians 6:2 “(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)”

Revelation 22:11-12 “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”

When Jesus comes the second time, He carries “in his hand a sharp sickle.” Revelation 14:14. This is the reaping time after sixty centuries of the sowing of the seeds of sin. This is the harvest time, and “the harvest is the end of the world.” Matthew 13:39. “And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.” Revelation 14:16.

Jeremiah 8:20 truly says, “The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.” There can be no saving after the reaping of earth’s harvest at the coming of Christ. When Jesus and His Holy angels appear, then “before him shall be gathered all nations.” Matthew 25:32. There will only be two classes in that great company. The destiny of each has been set by what he did before the coming of Christ. Let us stand firm on the Word of God alone and reject these manmade, Satan driven, pleasing ideas that form the bulk of the whole secret rapture theory.
The attitude of so many Christians seems to be that you should live a Holy life now so you don’t have to go through the Great Tribulation, but even if you don’t you will get another chance after this so-called secret rapture. But as we have seen in scripture and by this manufactured doctrine, when judgment comes there is no second chance. When people die in their sins they are lost forever, there is no second chance. Why should the Second Coming be any different?
 
The Antichrist has been active since the days of Jesus Christ and is moving stronger in power again it is a system of belief and the entire world is an awe of it as the scriptures say.

there is no secret rapture, The saints will go through the tribulation. To believe otherwise is to live a lie, as in the Days of Noah they were warned of the rain, but since it never rained, they did not believe it and perished. As in Sodom and Gomorrah they had been warned of their in pending destruction but ignored it. During World War II prisoners did escape and tried to warn the Jews but they did not believe it, not all Jews were warned but many knew of the turn of the power and how terrible it was coming yet they remained. Before the destruction of Jerusalem Jesus himself in Matthew 24 warned them to escaped as soon as they saw the chance, and that a chance would be given them, but they did not believe that they would be destroyed and they were warned again and again. So here we are you can choose to believe whatever you choose to believe but the proof is in the word. The word of God says now is the accepted time. Now....
I decided not to post all of the prophecies that were fulfilled it was an exhausting and lengthy passages, explaining page after page, We all have access to the computer and can do the research. If you truly want to know.
Don't follow after anyones teachings follow after the word of God. My pastor is incredible but I need to read all that he teaches myself. I have to go get advice from many sources not just one. I take notes in service I write down every scripture and then go online and follow up with even more scriptures to make sure it says what it should say. To the OP you asked the question a year ago, I hope that are able to review the information provided and make a good judgment with prayer and study. when God gives a specific time or specific instructions that is was it means. You cannot take 490 years substract 7 years and put it over 2,000.00 years in the future. If its 490 years that is exactly what it is all together. He also says we must endure to the end. Well if he is taking us out of the world beforehand then why even bother. I just have to believe and go on with my life. Really?????? It is with fear and trembling we enter into heaven.
 
And no, Matthew 24 and Mark 13 have NOT been fulfilled yet.

Matthew 24 is several things at once. Some of the information is for the end and some is warning against the destruction of Jerusalem. The Christan's heeded this warning and fled out of Jerusalem. The Jews did not.
Matthew 24:13-30

King James Version (KJV)

13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (the end times)
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. ( the end times)
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Destruction of Jerusalem
then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Destruction of Jerusalem
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Destruction of Jerusalem
neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothesDestruction of Jerusalem.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: both end times and destruction of Jerusalem
for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.both end times and destruction of Jerusalem

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. ( the end times
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. ( the end times)
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. ( the end times)
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. ( the end times)
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ( the end times)
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. After Jesus has come for his people this is the dead that remains here on the earth, those that die at his coming.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Many of these things have already happen. This is not the tribulation we are looking to, this is the tribulation of the dark ages. the end of the dark ages.30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Why would the tribes moan. This is the end of time

Luke 21:20-24And when you shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Jesus tells us that to discover the answer to the question what is the abomination of desolation, that we should focus on the book of Daniel (Matthew 24:15). Careful study of this book reveals that the abomination of desolation can be divided into three parts. These parts are: the abomination of desolation in Daniel’s day (involving the first temple); the abomination of desolation in Jesus’ day (involving the second temple); and finally the abomination of desolation in the time of the end (involving the whole Christian Church). The issues that come into play as treated in the book of Daniel remain consistent in each of its three phases. So take careful note that they are therefore types or examples of each other
 
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If you look up the word "tribulation" in the New Testament, almost every reference applies to what true Christians go through, rather than what they escape from.

John 16:33 - Jesus Christ said to His followers, "In the world YOU shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

Acts 14:22 - Paul told Christians, "WE through much tribulation must enter the kingdom of God."

Matthew 24:21,22 - Jesus said there would be "great tribulation" which His followers (the "elect") must endure. Yet for "the elects sake, those days shall be shortened."

Romans 5:3 - True Christians are to "glory in tribulations" because "tribulation works patience" and develops Christian character.

2 Thessalonians 1:4 - Paul wrote of the many "persecutions and tribulations" which "the churches of God" were enduring in the first century (Christians were thrown to the lions in the coliseum, eaten by wild dogs, burned at the stake and lit up as torches in Nero's garden).

Revelation 1:9 - John was our "companion in tribulation."

Revelation 2:9 - To His church, Jesus said, "I
know your works and tribulation…"
Revelation 2:10 - Again to His church, Jesus said, "YOU
shall have tribulation…"
Revelation 7:14 - God's final people "came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." They did not escape it, but endured through it, being purified.

Thus the clear biblical evidence reveals that Christians have always gone through "tribulation" and will endure tribulations until the end. Yet we need not fear what man, governments, Satan or devils can do. Jesus Christ has promised, "Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the world." Matthew 28:20.
 
Yes Christians will go through a tribulation. Those life challenges that we face everyday is exactly that but that is not the same as what is going to take place during those 7 years when the anti-Christ comes into power and that doesn't happen until we the body is taken out of the way.

This Is what I feel right now. This is just plain me talking. If the bible says that we're not appointed to wrath, why not accept that? If some want to go through the great tribulation...fine but that is not going to happen. And what if God is offended because some of his kids want to go through that terrible time? I'm sure that is a slap in the face to him.

Besides, if someone that thinks they are a Christian is left behind; well it's probably because they truly have never trusted Christ as Lord and Savior and believed that he became flesh to die to pay the ransom for our sins. And didn't believe that he conquered death, hell, and the grave upon his resurrection. Harsh as that probably seems it's the truth because not everyone that calls themselves Christians have a relationship with Christ.
 
2 Peter 1:20 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”

Also, the book of Revelation ends with a severe warning telling us not to add or take away from the prophecies written in this book or there are very serious consequences.

Revelation 22:18-19 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

If we adhere to the warning of these two scriptures then we should not go too far wrong. These verses inform us that everything we need to know about end time events will be stated in the Bible and we will not have to add extra doctrine or our own interpretations or fill in the gaps, for we are told not to add to it.
I totally get what your saying however, Our salvation is at risk, It is important to not hang your thoughts feelings based on someone else interpretation of the bible. I would not risk my salvation on someone else theory. Especially since it is not true, the bible does not indicate the amount of time tribulation will last, but its believed to last only a few months. Just reading the Plagues and using common sense can say how long a human can last without water not seven years, barely a week. Plus with Hot Searing Scorching Sun, who can endure. the saints will be protected during these times, now imagine those who are not saved and see that the saints are not suffering as they are, do you honestly think they (the saints) would not be murdered right then and there. The Egyptians saw that they suffered and that the Hebrews were not affected as they were, why do you think they left with them. In my neighborhood all the lights went out. Except my house, I need electricity without it I could die. I have a medical condition. I wasn't aware of this until my neighbor wanted to know why did I have power and he did not. This was long before the weather started getting terrible around here. I was stunned and gave God all the praise, I found out later a few houses had power as well but the way he approached me and the fact that he said it out loud in the streets made me think about the Tribulation and my greatest hope that the lord will hide me in the hills or put me to sleep. I hope with all my heart that those reading these post will really try hard to seek out the truth in the word of God and not have their own feelings and ideals and traditions.
 
Yes Christians will go through a tribulation. Those life challenges that we face everyday is exactly that but that is not the same as what is going to take place during those 7 years when the anti-Christ comes into power and that doesn't happen until we the body is taken out of the way.

This Is what I feel right now. This is just plain me talking. If the bible says that we're not appointed to wrath, why not accept that? If some want to go through the great tribulation...fine but that is not going to happen. And what if God is offended because some of his kids want to go through that terrible time? I'm sure that is a slap in the face to him.

Besides, if someone that thinks they are a Christian is left behind; well it's probably because they truly have never trusted Christ as Lord and Savior and believed that he became flesh to die to pay the ransom for our sins. And didn't believe that he conquered death, hell, and the grave upon his resurrection. Harsh as that probably seems it's the truth because not everyone that calls themselves Christians have a relationship with Christ.
makeupgirl,
What do you think about Inquisition ?
*Do you think the saints who were murdered/killed/burned/beheaded were not Christian ?

*Concerning this topic, do you make a difference between the anger of satan (the great tribulation) and the righteous Day of the Lord, or for you it's the same?
 
I believe in what the bible says point blank. Also when participating in bible study I ask the Holy Spirit for the understanding of his word. Why? Because without the leading of the Holy Spirit I cannot understand the bible. One thing I believe is that we're not appointed to the wrath of God based on his word. I go to bed at night secure in the knowledge that whether I go to the Lord in death or in the rapture, I'm going home to be with God. Absent from the body, present with the Lord.

I also seek comfort in knowing that I cannot lose my salvation and my sonship with the Lord. I'm one of his since the day I believed and accepted Christ in my life. That is what we as the body should always be secured in without doubts.

I also believe and will always believe in the pretribulation theory. Why? Because scriptures point to this. I personally don't care what others think or believe because that is between you and God alone. I only care about the person's salvation.

Now I'm jet lagged from my trip and just don't have the energy to further argue my point or my belief. This has been surrendered to the Lord and this is where it will stay. Good luck to Those that believe that you are going through the great tribulation. I bid you good luck with that. Because you will need it.
 
God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear, even though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; though its waters roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with its swellingBe still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth (Psalm 46:1-3, 10).
 
Taytay86,
I honestly don't believe that a chip has anything to do with it at all. This is the thing that many Christians do not get, No one is willing to suffer and die just to do it. But for Christ you must be willing to suffer and Die. Whatever it takes to be obedient. We have so many examples behind us of people that gave up their lives for Christ, no matter what they had to endure including being thrown in the lions den, head cut off, cut up, burned, crucified and so on. The buying and selling is not going to affect all Christians only true believers. True believers will not do certain things. Not ever to the point of death.

Now take Nebuchadnezzar for example. He had a certain type of music playing and everyone was to bow down to the statue or face death. Well you know hundreds of Israelites bowed down. but the true believers did not and faced death, they knew it was forbidden to bow down to a Idol of any kind. they refused and knew the consequences and was ready and willing to face the consequences. This is the attitude we who are true believers are to have. As for the chip. I very much doubt if that has anything to do with it. but the mark of the beast described in the scriptures is what you believe in your mind and what you do with your hands. If you believe that drinking is good and right this is something you practice and work at. Same as religion if you believe this false religion and practice it with your hands then you have accepted the mark of the beast, no one can force it on you its something you except. Same as with the seal of God. You believe and you work within that belief, However, you go above and beyond to make sure your falling after the truth and not falsehood. You walk in the light and you willingly sacrifice whatever the world considers good and wonderful you sit and discover the truth of the matter. it really is not that hard or difficult to understand, the world makes it seem so but Christ died and rose again to prove that he has power over death so if you should die you will awake again to something so worth dying for. that is what should be in your heart. that no matter what it takes, you will lay down your life for Christ only to pick it up again. except perhaps when you do, you will receive a crown. This is why the apostle would sing after a beating, they consider it all joy that they were found worthy to suffer for Christ.

blazingthru - I've recently heard Hank Hanegraff give this explanation of the mark as well... but I wonder how will this prevent Christians or others who do not take the mark from buying or selling? Maybe because we would be required to engage in certain activities in order to buy and sell? I've always interpreted it as a literal mark of some sort...
 
blazingthru - I've recently heard Hank Hanegraff give this explanation of the mark as well... but I wonder how will this prevent Christians or others who do not take the mark from buying or selling? Maybe because we would be required to engage in certain activities in order to buy and sell? I've always interpreted it as a literal mark of some sort...

The mark itself is what you believe or practice it is not a physical thing that you can see or feel its is something that you believe in and what you practice. God is very specific of how he wants us to worship, however most of the world follows after tradition and never question what they are doing. While as Christians we are required to do our own research, our own personal study and to compare what is said to us. For instance everything I am saying to you should be compared to the scripture, but not just one but several so that the meaning is clear.
 
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This entire thing with Hell is not something he wants to do. So if your thinking that people are burning in hell now as we speak, what do you think about the Character of God. We serve a Just God. He would not have someone burning in Hell forever and his forever is not our forever its until the end of a thing.

There is a Hell.

There are souls currently in Hell.

If a soul dies in unrepentant mortal sin, it immediately goes to Hell.

One's condition in Hell is eternal and unchangeable.
 
There is a Hell.

There are souls currently in Hell.

If a soul dies in unrepentant mortal sin, it immediately goes to Hell.

One's condition in Hell is eternal and unchangeable.

where is this noted in the bible? Where is the Judgement? They go without knowing why? Doesn't the bible say every knee shall bow? When does it say that? Then too the Saved, God is just and fair, he is going to send my love one to be tormented forever and not tell me why? If a soul goes to "hell" now as you say, that would make them immortal and immortality is only given to those who have believed in him and obeyed him. Only God is immortal, no other created being is immortal. Those who are lost and those who chooses not to be saved will be punished based on their own sins. So punishing someone forever and ever would not be fair and is not what the bible says. Everlasting Punishment, death is final. Not punishing. He would not be a fair God. This belief in Hell and burning forever comes from Pagans and many Christians believe it but if you study out the bible you will see that it is not correct at all.

When you die, you rest in the grave, you do not go to heaven or hell you sleep in the grave. Some will wake to the first Resurrection and some to the second resurrection.
It is important to remember the terms you learned as you study the bible they are consistent. the bible is not designed for you to just pick up and read it without praying first and asking the Holy spirit to guide you. Here is a great website to review and find all the questions you might have about Hell.

http://www.helltruth.com/
 
where is this noted in the bible? Where is the Judgement? They go without knowing why?

Death is the separation of the soul and body. Upon death, the soul is immediately judged by Jesus Christ. This is known as the "particular judgment."

Hebrews 9:27 tells us that "It is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment."

Doesn't the bible say every knee shall bow? When does it say that? Then too the Saved, God is just and fair, he is going to send my love one to be tormented forever and not tell me why?

When Jesus Christ returns for the General Judgment, this is when it will be publicly made clear the states of souls, their glory or shame, and God's wisdom and judgment. Souls that end up in Hell are those who die unrepentant of mortal sin.

If a soul goes to "hell" now as you say, that would make them immortal and immortality is only given to those who have believed in him and obeyed him.

Immortality is an innate quality of the soul--all souls are immortal, both of the saved and of the damned.

Only God is immortal, no other created being is immortal.

God is immortal, yes, but immortality isn't a quality that excludes created beings. For example, God created our souls to be immortal. Another example of created beings being immortal are the angels (both the good angels and the fallen ones).

Those who are lost and those who chooses not to be saved will be punished based on their own sins.

Hell is the punishment. Hell is eternal separation from God and from the Beatific Vision of seeing Him face-to-face.

So punishing someone forever and ever would not be fair

All souls are immortal, and if an immortal soul has chosen separation from God, then to get exactly that--separation from God--is justice. Far from "unfair."


and is not what the bible says. Everlasting Punishment, death is final. Not punishing. He would not be a fair God.

How would it be unfair? That the damned soul is damned, or that the damnation is eternal? The damned cannot repent, just as the demons cannot repent. This is why it is of the utmost importance to preach the Gospel to the world--eternal souls are at stake.

This belief in Hell and burning forever comes from Pagans and many Christians believe it but if you study out the bible you will see that it is not correct at all.

It is not a pagan belief, and the Bible supports it.

When you die, you rest in the grave, you do not go to heaven or hell you sleep in the grave.
Some will wake to the first Resurrection and some to the second resurrection.
It is important to remember the terms you learned as you study the bible they are consistent. the bible is not designed for you to just pick up and read it without praying first and asking the Holy spirit to guide you. Here is a great website to review and find all the questions you might have about Hell.

http://www.helltruth.com/



Mark 9:47–48 Jesus tells us, "t is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, where the worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched."



And in Revelation 14:11, we read: "And the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name."



Hell is not just a theoretical possibility. Jesus warns us that real people go there. He says, "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few" (Matt. 7:13–14).



Christ Himself spoke of the reality of Hell more than any other figure in the Bible--a whopping 33 times does He speak on Hell. The early Church held to these teachings of Jesus. Ignatius of Antioch, an Overseer who was a disciple of John the Apostle, says:


Ignatius of Antioch

"Corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death, how much more if a man corrupt by evil teaching the faith of God for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire: and so will anyone who listens to him" (Letter to the Ephesians 16:1–2 [A.D. 110]).

Clement, also a disciple of the Apostles, reiterates:


Second Clement

"If we do the will of Christ, we shall obtain rest; but if not, if we neglect his commandments, nothing will rescue us from eternal punishment" (Second Clement 5:5 [A.D. 150]).
"But when they see how those who have sinned and who have denied Jesus by their words or by their deeds are punished with terrible torture in unquenchable fire, the righteous, who have done good, and who have endured tortures and have hated the luxuries of life, will give glory to their God saying, ‘There shall be hope for him that has served God with all his heart!’" (ibid., 17:7).
 
we already had this discussion.

Spin-Off: The Souls of the Dead I don't know how to link this site, its locked of course, I really feel that you are convinced in your own mind of your beliefs that no matter what is presented before you, you will not budge and although you posted scriptures they are not correct in the meaning you think it is, why because the bible harmonize and these scriptures are taken out of context and it will have to be a study to understand everything concerning the topic in question. It would exhaust this thread. These text do not point to your meaning at all. But can be misconstrued that is why we have to study the bible, not grab a scripture here or there, it raises confusion.

First you will need to study the dead, look up all references to the state of the dead, take notes, do the same for all and finally after you have done all those things you will see that it was not as you once thought. But I have posted the truth about Hell website. and it will answer all the questions that have been presented regarding that subject. Each site has links to do more study.

www.thetruthaboutdeath.com
 
Actually I have studied. As a matter of fact I have a minor in Biblical Studies--from an Evangelical university of all places.

In any case, if one can't correctly identify what happens to the soul at death, it's going to be tough to correctly understand the other eschatological issues at hand (note: eschatology deals with the "Last Things,"--death, judgment, heaven, hell).


we already had this discussion.

Spin-Off: The Souls of the Dead I don't know how to link this site, its locked of course, I really feel that you are convinced in your own mind of your beliefs that no matter what is presented before you, you will not budge and although you posted scriptures they are not correct in the meaning you think it is, why because the bible harmonize and these scriptures are taken out of context and it will have to be a study to understand everything concerning the topic in question. It would exhaust this thread. These text do not point to your meaning at all. But can be misconstrued that is why we have to study the bible, not grab a scripture here or there, it raises confusion.

First you will need to study the dead, look up all references to the state of the dead, take notes, do the same for all and finally after you have done all those things you will see that it was not as you once thought. But I have posted the truth about Hell website. and it will answer all the questions that have been presented regarding that subject. Each site has links to do more study.

www.thetruthaboutdeath.com
 
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