ARE CHRISTIANS SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION?

JESUS TRIED TO SPARE US BEING CONFUSED:
His warnings:
Matthew 16:6 And Jesus said to them, "Watch out and beware of THE LEAVEN of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
Matthew 16:12 Then they understood that He did NOT say to beware of the leaven of BREAD, but of THE TEACHING of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough.

THIS IS WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY: DEATH AND RESURRECTION
Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the SPIRIT shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 3:20 ALL GO TO THE SAME PLACE..ALL CAME FROM THE DUST.... All came from the dust...AND ALL RETURN TO THE DUST.
Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth?
Psalm 104:29 You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away THEIR SPIRIT, they expire And return to their dust.
Acts 2:34 For David is NOT ASCENDED INTO THE HEAVENS, but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Matthew 22:23 On that day some Sadducees (WHO SAY THERE IS NO RESURRECTION) came to Jesus and questioned Him,
Mark 12:18 Then come unto him the SADDUCEESs, which say THERE IS NO RESURRECTION; and they asked him, saying…
Luke 12:1 Under these circumstances, after so many thousands of people had gathered together that they were stepping on one another, He began saying TO HIS DISCIPLES FIRST OF ALL ,"Beware of ‘the leaven of the Pharisees’, WHICH IS HYPOCRISY.
Luke 20:27 Now there came to Him some of the Sadducees (who say that there is no resurrection),
Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor an angel, nor a spirit, but the Pharisees ACKNOWLEDGE THEM ALL
Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel. Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and FORMS THE SPIRIT OF MAN WITHIN HIM,
Acts 7:59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, RECEIVE MY SPIRIT"
THIS IS WHAT JESUS SAID:
Luke 23:46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT." Having said this, He breathed His last.

Now can you see why JESUS said: DO NOT MARVEL AT THIS? ...ALL THOSE IN THE MEMORIAL TOMBS WILL HEAR HIS VOICE ...AND COME OUT.......(from whever they are buried?)..that is RESURRECTION....
AND AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD...WHAT COMES?.......JUDGEMENT!

SO WHO DO WE BELIEVE? JESUS...or the Sadducees?
 
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I found this great article. it really cleared up this question for me when I was searching for answers.
by Doug Batchelor


The Great Basin bristlecone pine can live more than 4,000 years and is believed to be one of the oldest living trees on the planet. Found on lonely mountain tops, some of these ancient evergreens have weathered thousands of years of intense freezing wind, pounding rain, scorching sun, and violent electrical storms. How do they manage to survive such harsh, adverse conditions? They send their roots deep, wrap them tenaciously around a solid rock, and hang on.

God's people will need to practice those same survival skills in the days just ahead. Jesus said that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved." Matthew 24:21, 22.

As Jesus spoke these words to His disciples, no doubt He was referring to a similar prophecy made by the prophet Daniel. "At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." Daniel 12:1.

The good news is that God's children will survive the coming tribulation. Like the bristlecone pine, the saints will have to sink their roots of faith deep into the Word of God and cling tenaciously to the mighty Rock of Ages.

What Is the Tribulation?
As we discuss the great tribulation to take place just before Jesus returns, keep in mind that there have been several other "times of trouble" for God's people in the past.

For example, the children of Israel endured 400 years of tribulation just before the Exodus (Acts 7:6). The early Christians also passed through a time of trouble immediately after the stoning of Stephen (Acts 8:1). From A.D. 303-313, during the era represented by the Smyrna church (Revelation 2:10), God's people suffered a 10-year period of tribulation. But perhaps the most notable time of trouble was the 1,260 years of intense persecution waged against true Christians during the Dark Ages. "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and threescore days." "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman." Revelation 12:6, 13.

As dark as each of these times were for God's people, none can compare with the final, great tribulation that is yet to take place. The great tribulation corresponds with the time during which the seven last plagues of Revelation chapter 16 will fall. "And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God." Revelation 15:1.

God's wrath will be directed against the ones who disobey His law, distort His truth, and oppress His people. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness." Romans 1:18.

The great tribulation also coincides with the Battle of Armageddon. Both take place immediately before Christ's second coming. "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."

It is my belief that the great time of trouble will last only a month or two. Here are a few Scriptures that show it will be a short period of time.

Revelation 18:8 tells us, "Therefore shall her plagues come in one day." A "day" in Bible prophecy represents one literal year (Ezekiel 4:6, Numbers 14:34, Luke 13:32). So when Revelation says that "her plagues come in one day," it means within, or less than, one year's time. The very nature of the seven last plagues-the rivers and seas turning to blood and the planet being scorched with great heat-would render it impossible for the human race to survive more than a month or two. This is why Jesus said, "And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened." Matthew 24:22, NKJV.

The Dragon's Fury
The experience of the children of Israel just before the plagues fell on Egypt is a type, or symbol, of what will happen to God's people before the seven last plagues described in Revelation 16.

After 400 years of slavery, the Israelites had become influenced by the religion of Egypt and had lost sight of God's law. So before Moses and Aaron met with the Pharaoh, they first met with the leaders of Israel to encourage a revival of commitment to God's law-including the Sabbath of creation (Exodus 4:29-31). The people responded wholeheartedly, which is why the Pharaoh got angry and said to Moses and Aaron, "You make them rest from their labor!" Exodus 5:5, NKJV. Remember that the children of Israel knew the Sabbath was part of God's law before they ever came to Mount Sinai (Exodus 16:22-28).

Before the onset of the great tribulation, special attention is once again called to the subject of worship and the Sabbath commandment. In Revelation 14:7, an angel calls God's people to "worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." Revelation 14:7. The angel is clearly quoting from the Sabbath commandment, which says, "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day." Exodus 20:11.

A rediscovery of the law of God, including the Sabbath truth, will be the alarm that wakes the dragon to fury. The devil hates the Sabbath because he knows that all love relationships are built upon time. If he can destroy the day that was set apart for God's people to spend quality time with their Creator, he can destroy the relationship. We see this happen over and over again between husband and wife as well as father and son. If you stop spending quality time together, soon the relationship will fall apart.

When the children of Israel responded to God's call to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy, the Pharaoh became furious. He knew that as long as the people focused only on work, work, work, they would have no time to think about freedom. The devil is using the very same strategy today. His goal is to keep people so busy with work and so preoccupied with the cares of this life that they have no time to worship their Creator. He knows that if he can cause people to neglect the Sabbath rest, they will never have time to think seriously of salvation.

Looking down through history to the end of time, the Lord knew His faithful people would keep the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. That is why, in connection with the tribulation, Jesus advises His followers to "pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day." Matthew 24:20.

The time of trouble begins with the wrath of the devil against God's obedient children (Revelation 12:17) and ends with the wrath of God against the ones who obey the beast (Revelation 14:9, 10).
 
No Second Chance
Before the great tribulation begins, God's people will experience a small time of trouble. During this time the saints will have to share their faith in the face of stiff social, political, and religious opposition. "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelation 13:17.

This small time of trouble will resemble the period of time just before the plagues fell on Egypt. The angry Pharaoh tried to turn the hearts of his Israelite slaves against their God by forcing them to produce the usual quota of bricks without providing the necessary straw. In the same way, before the tribulation the government will use political and economic sanctions to pressure God's end-time people into receiving the mark of the beast. When this fails to deter the people of God from obedience, there will be a final death decree. "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." Revelation 13:15. At this time, the great tribulation begins and the seven last plagues start to fall.

The main reason this time will be so intense is because it will come after probation closes for the lost. "At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." Daniel 12:1. Notice that when the tribulation begins, the cases of all people have been forever decided.

The door of salvation and grace will close for the world-just as the door on the ark closed seven days before the Flood began. At that time Jesus will declare, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give to every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:11, 12.

For the first time in the world's history, God's Spirit will be completely withdrawn from the lost. The unsaved will be given wholly over to demonic control. The saved will be sealed and the lost forever lost. No more changing teams!

God on Trial
If no one is converted by the plagues, then why does the Lord allow it?

For thousands of years God's Spirit has worked in the hearts of men. But He has warned that this would not always be so (Genesis 6:3). Satan must have an opportunity to demonstrate what a world that is completely under his power would be like. And so God will finally allow the winds of strife to blow unhindered-but not before His servants are sealed (Revelation 7:1-3).

The great tribulation will prove to the universe that nothing-not even the worst conditions in the history of the world-would change the characters of those still alive upon the earth. God's people will trust Him no matter what, and His enemies will rebel against Him no matter what.
Sometimes adversity brings a lost soul to repentance, but as the seven last plagues are being poured out, the wicked will reveal that there are no longer any redeemable threads in their fabric.

"The fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues; and they repented not to give him glory." Revelation 16:9.

"They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and did not repent of their deeds." Revelation 16:11, NKJV.

"Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great." Revelation 16:21.

Through the Tribulation With Christ
Many Christians believe that the righteous will all be raptured out of the world just before the time of trouble and that the wicked will be left behind to endure seven years of tribulation. Because it sounds appealing, this doctrine has gained widespread acceptance. But the fact remains that the Bible clearly teaches otherwise.

Here are but a few of the many Scriptures which teach that God's end-time people will go through the tribulation:
 
The Bible describes the 144,000 as "they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.

In His great prophetic discourse on the mount of Olives, Jesus made the following statement immediately after mentioning the tribulation: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22. If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened!

All throughout Scripture we see examples of the Lord saving His people through tribulation, not from it.

Noah was not saved from the Flood, but through it.

Daniel was not saved from the lions' den, but through it.

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego were not saved from the fiery furnace, but through it. In fact, Jesus went through it with them, and He will go through the great tribulation with us as well!

The children of Israel were not saved from Egypt before the plagues fell, but afterward. God demonstrated His love and power by preserving them in Egypt through the ten plagues. In the same way, the righteous will be in the world when the seven last plagues fall (Revelation 16), but God will preserve them.

God never promises that our lives will always be easy. Christ prayed to His Father for His disciples, "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil [one]." John 17:15. Likewise, in 2 Timothy 3:12 Paul states, "All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." Paul also told a group of disciples that "We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

Although God does not always provide an escape from tribulation, He does promise to give us the power and strength to get through it. "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13.

In His parable of the two home builders, Jesus taught that the storm comes to the wise man who builds on the rock just like surely as it comes to the fool who builds upon the sand (Matthew 7:24-27). The storm will come to all.

No Need to Fear
Picture, if you dare, this terrifying recipe. First, pour the entire contents of Armageddon into a pressure cooker, then slowly mix in the seven last plagues with one full bottle of Jacob's trouble and one whole crushed Babylon. Next, evenly stir in two full boxes of wrath-one from God and one from Satan. Cover securely and cook on high.

Sound appetizing?
We all seem to conjure up these frightening images when we think of the tribulation. Now try this instead. Picture Jesus in a fragile little boat on a dark sea, with the waves mounting and wind roaring. Mark 4:38-40 records the scene. "He was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish? And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm."

Then Christ said to them, "Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?" Jesus rested with the peace of a baby because He lived by faith in His heavenly Father. One message He delivered repeatedly throughout His ministry was "Fear not."

In John 16:33, Jesus said, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

God does not want us to live by fear, but rather by faith. "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18.

During the world's darkest hour and greatest trial, God will supply the greatest peace and faith. We need only to remember that Jesus is in the boat with us. Though the furnace be heated seven times over, we can pass safely through it if Jesus is at our side.

The ninety-first Psalm contains special promises for those living during the last great tribulation. It says, "You shall not be afraid of the terror by night, Nor of the arrow that flies by day, Nor of the pestilence that walks in darkness, Nor of the destruction that lays waste at noonday. A thousand may fall at your side, And ten thousand at your right hand; But it shall not come near you. Only with your eyes shall you look, And see the reward of the wicked." Psalm 91:5-8, NKJV.

The Psalmist makes it clear we will be in the midst of the world during the plagues yet remain untouched if God is our refuge. "No evil shall befall you, Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling." Psalm 91:10, NKJV.

Rescue from the Skies
On Friday June 2, 1995, Captain Scott O'Grady was flying his F-16 over Bosnia when his plane was cut in two by Serbian anti-aircraft fire. He quickly ejected and parachuted to the ground. Suddenly he found himself in a different, hostile world with the entire Serbian army combing every inch of ground in search of him. For six days he prayed, often hiding with his face in the dirt to avoid being seen by enemy soldiers passing within a few feet. For six long days he survived-cold, wet, tired, hungry, eating bugs and drinking dirty water, calling every night on his little radio for help from above, running from enemies, and hiding under bushes. Then came a daring rescue from the skies. Forty airships, hundreds of soldiers, satellites, and the combined technology of all NATO were all engaged to rescue one hunted soldier.

Will God do less for His people?
When Captain Scott O'Grady returned to the United States, he was hailed as a hero. Why? Because he had come out of great tribulation. We too may have to endure a brief time of trouble, but it will fade into insignificance when compared with the glorious moment when Jesus comes crashing through the skies with his angelic armies to rescue His children.

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18.
 
Blazingthru, I second that. Just a little more on the Sabbath.

Man....may have done away with it.....'certain DOCTRINES AND TEACHINGS' may have done away with it...but Moses ("perpuual covenant and forever)...says and Christ says: THEY DISAGREE with those teachings. I agree with Moses and Christ.

precepts:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Exodus 31:13 "But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel FOR EVER: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed
 
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taytay86 said:
This confuses me - the rest of the dead? If this is refering to the dead in Christ, I thought after the tribulation and after the trumpet the dead will rise first, and then the living will be caught up in the clouds....:perplexed

This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Why does the second death not have any power? Does the second death refer to the Christians to are alive now, who will die later?

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

The thousand years begins after the tribulation? Is this the same thousand years in which the dead will be raised again?
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THE SECOND DEATH
Read the Scriptures in context.
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death
Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Why it has no power over the first fruits? Because they are clothed with IMMORTALITY. (rememeber what you read?)
As for Christians living now?...does the second death refer to them.?..THE SCRIPTURES SAY:
Revelation 20:15 And IF ANYONE'S NAME WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
 
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YOUR QUESTION :Is this the same thousand years?

Here is the context of the Scriptures:
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and BOUND HIM THOUSAND YEARS, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ A THOUSAND YEARS. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And WHEN THE THOUSAND YEARS ARE EXPIRED, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

If it speaks of Christ's reign of a THOUSAND YEARS...AND THOSE WHO REIGN WITH HIM, at the same time...OVER THE EARTH....AND AT THE END OF THE THOUSAND YEARS THERE IS A RESURRECTON........ is there another OR DIFFERENT thousand years according TO THE SCRIPTURES?


Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
John 17:2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.
Daniel 7:14 "And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

Will there be PEOPLE ON THE EARTH DURING the thousand years?

Revelation 20: 7And when the THOUSAND YEARS ARE EXPIRED, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out TO DECEIVE THE NATIONS WHICH ARE IN THE FOUR QUARTERS OF THE EARTH, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: THE NUMBER OF WHOM IS AS THE SAND OF THE SEA.

Also the great numbers to be resurrected at the end of the thousand years. (remember the resurrection at the end of the thousand years?

So What Happens At THE END of EVERYTHING?...REGARDING CHRIST AND THE KINGDOM
1 Corinthians: 24Then cometh THE END, when HE shall have delivered up THE KINGDOM , TO GOD, EVEN THE FATHER; when he (Christ) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he (Christ) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he (Christ)hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also HIMSELF BE SUBJECT TO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM, that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.


So does this leave room for another or different THOUSAND YEARS?...CONSIDERING ALL THAT TRANSPIRES IN THE THOUSAND YEARS?...ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES..PRECEPTS AND FULFILMENTS?
 
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there is so much to read :spinning: - I still haven't finished reading all of page two of your posts Mahalialee4. Please forgive my questions as they will be all over the place. Since I don't want to forget, I try to ask my questions after each post.

I will continue reading....thanks so much:yep:
 
taytay86 said:
there is so much to read :spinning: - I still haven't finished reading all of page two of your posts Mahalialee4. Please forgive my questions as they will be all over the place. Since I don't want to forget, I try to ask my questions after each post.

I will continue reading....thanks so much:yep:
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kEEP READING. Perhaps you could read all the way through...write down your questions as you go...set them to the side....and after you have finished reading the Scriptures through ....if you have any questions...then post them. This will avoid a lot of frustration on your part and eliminate confusion in the middle of things, or going off in so many different directions...remember...line upon line...precept upon precept...(smile)

You are very welcome.
 
This is exactly what I will do. It will take me some time, but I'll be back:scratchch: - thank you.
 
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Where does it say those that are in hell will be taken out and judged?

We have to do things in order - You have to remember you can't always read the chapters in groups you have to break them down (sometimes). The bible is design for research and study. You have to first learn the character of God.. He is a loving God, He is faithful and truth. This entire thing with Hell is not something he wants to do. So if your thinking that people are burning in hell now as we speak, what do you think about the Character of God. We serve a Just God. He would not have someone burning in Hell forever and his forever is not our forever its until the end of a thing. Sodom and Gomorrah is an example of his forever, it burned until it was ashe. thats it. Satan encouraged us to think that those tales are true but they are not true. he is not burning in hell. He is walking around going here and there all over the earth seeing who he can devour( turn his way) that is what he is doing because he has only a little while and then he will come into his power. That is our tribulation getting through it. But God promises to seal his people. Everything comes down to worship that is truly what this is all about.
 
This is great - ladies, while I'm reading and preparing my questions (I don't want to rush this) what chapters should I read along with Revelations? I know the Bible is not in chronological order, so I want to make sure I am reading all the related chapters in sequence.

From what I see they are: Thess, Daniel, The Gospels, Ezekiel? Anything else?

I have a study Bible from Jimmy Swaggat - is he OK to read? I am now trying to stay away from man's interpretation, and just read the Bible for what it is. BUT I must admit the language is a bit hard to understand at times. But I guess this is where the Spirit of Truth comes in :scratchch:
 
Does he have THE SAYINGS OF JESUS IN IT?.... This site may be very helpful to you.....http://bible.cc/
It has all the parallel versions and so much more...perfect study site. Also if you want to read the King James 1611 Bible, here it is at this site: http://www.servantofjesuschrist.com/kjv1611/index.html

MAY YOU BE BLESSED BY THE WORD OF GOD
THE WORD OF GOD: Doctrine of Christ versus the Doctrines and Commands of Men
Not knowing the DIFFERENCE CAN DESTROY YOU, even wreck your Faith

Without the Word of God and knowing how to use it….you will be like a soldier without a weapon in the worst battles you will every have to fight. Two Vital Things To Be Able to BE ABLE TO STAND IN THE EVIL DAY.
Ephesians 6: 14 STAND therefore, having your loins girt about with TRUTH,
Ephesians 6:17 : “And take the helmet of salvation, and THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, which is THE WORD OF GOD.

1 Timothy 4: 1Now THE SPIRIT SPEAKETH EXPRESSLY, THAT IN THE LATTER TIMES SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH, GIVING HEED TO ‘SEDUCING SPIRITS, and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS 2 SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY, HAVING THEIR CONSCIENCE SEARED WITH A HOT IRON...

(E.G.)... 3 FORBIDDING TO MARRY, and COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM MEAT, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them WHICH BELIEVE AND KNOW THE TRUTH.

1 TIMOTHY 4: 6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained."

1 Corinthians 2:10 “For to US God REVEALED THEM THROUGH THE SPIRIT; for THE SPIRIT SEARCHES ALL THINGS, EVEN THE DEPTHS OF GOD.

WE WILL ALL BE TESTED AND FACED….ON WHERE WE STAND ON THE TRUTH….ON THE WORD….

HEAR HIM: CHRIST! …When you make a STAND FOR TRUTH….YOU WILL MAKE ENEMIES….PEOPLE WILL BECOME ANGRY……By that I mean…..When you stand up for the Word, even if it disagrees with everyone around you, and what they believe and have to say…..they will become ‘offended’….because of the Truth….especially if it exposes ‘THE SPIRIT OF ERROR.’

1 John 4:6 “We are of God: he that KNOWETH GOD HEARETH US; he THAT IS NOT OF GOD HEARETH NOT US. HEREBY KNOW WE THE ‘SPIRIT OF TRUTH’….AND THE ‘SPIRIT OF ERROR.’Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

JjOHN 14: 6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
Luke 12:51 "Do you suppose that I came to grant PEACE? I tell you, NO, but rather DIVISION
JESUS: 32Whosoever therefore SHALL CONFESS ‘ME’ BEFORE MEN, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever SHALL DENY ‘ME’ BEFORE MEN , him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO SEND PEACE ON EARTH: I came NOT TO SEND PEACE, BUT A SWORD
35For I am come “to set a man at variance against his father” …, and “the daughter against her mother”, and “the daughter in law against her mother in law.” 36And a man's foes shall be they OF HIS OWN HOUSEHOLD. “
37He that loveth father or mother MORE THAN ME is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it
HOW SERIOUS IS OUR GOD? REMEMBER, JUDGEMENT BEGINS AT THE HOUSE OF GOD: PAUL WARNS:5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED. 11And FOR THIS CAUSE GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE : 12THAT THEY MIGHT ALL BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUS.”
1 Peter 4:17 “For THE TIME IS COME that JUDGEMENT BEGINS AT THE HOUSE OF GOD: and IF IT FIRST BEGIN AT US, what shall THE END OF THEM THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF GOD?”
 
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Scriptures re: The Word...WHO was in the beginning with God...FOR YOUR REFERENCE:

John 1:14 And THE WORD BECAME FLESH, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
We are not going to be saved or spared because of the COMMANDMENTS AND DOCTRINES OF MEN
WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE DOOR ANY OTHER WAY.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 10:9 "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
Ephesians 2:18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and HAS GIVEN US UNDERSTANDING SO THAT WE MAY KNOW HIM WHO IS TRUE; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.



PRECEPTS FOR BELIEVERS TO WALK WITH AND KNOW HOW TO USE THE SWORD:

Isaiah 11:4 “But with righteousness He will judge the poor, And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth; And He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He will slay the wicked.

Nehemiah 4:17 “Those who were rebuilding the wall and those who carried burdens took their load with one hand doing the work and the other holding A WEAPON.”

Psalm 149:6 “Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a TWO- EDGED SWORD IN THEIR HAND.

Hebrews 4:12 : “ For THE WORD OF GOD IS LIVING AND ACTIVE AND SHARPER THAN ANY TWO EDGED-SWORD, and PIERCING AS FAR AS THE DIVISION OF SOUL AND SPIRIT, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart (Soul…your feelings and emotions etc.))…ABLE TO JUDGE THE THOUGHTS….AND INTENTIONS OF THE HEART. (People reveal where they REALLY STAND….by the way they react to SCRIPTURAL TRUTH….HOW THEY REALLY THINK….AND WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE……


Jude 1:19 These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.
Hosea 6:5 Therefore I have hewn them in pieces by the prophets; I HAVE SLAIN THEM BY THE WORDS OF MY MOUTH; And the judgments on you are like the light that goes forth.
Isaiah 49:2 HE HAS MADE MY MOUTH LIKE A SHARP SWORD, In the shadow of His hand He has concealed Me; And He has also made Me a select arrow, He has hidden Me in His quiver.

Revelation 19:15 “And out of his mouth goeth A SHARP SWORD, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Revelation 19:21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh. “

James 3: 13Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
 
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CHRIST IS NOT going to be SWAYED BY OUR EMOTIONS…WHEN IT COMES TO WHETHER WE ARE OBEDIENT TO THE WORD OR NOT…, if we are doing our own will or the will of some other man, ...how are we going to DEAL WITH THIS…..in that day?
Matthew 7: 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. 22 MANY will say to me IN THAT DAY, Lord, Lord, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? and IN THY NAME CAST OUT DEVILS? and IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? 23AndTHEN WILL I PROFESS TO UNTO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.
Paul was locked up for speaking the Truth!
How did the ‘religious people’ react to Paul when he dared to SPEAK CONTRARY TO THEIR ‘DOCTRINE’….TO THEIR TEACHINGS? When he put the Word of God above theirs. He says HE STOOD AMONG THEM AND CRIED OUT….SPEAKING ON THE RESURRECTION….and even Felix, WHO UNDERSTOOD TRUTH…’BECAUSE HE WANTED TO BE POPULAR WITH THE PEOPLE……CAVED IN AND WENT ALONG WITH KEEPING PAUL IN CHAINS.
Acts 24:12And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city: 13Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. 14But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they THEY CALL HERESY, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing ALL things which ARE WRITTEN IN THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS: 15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that THERE SHALL BE A RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, BOTH OF THE JUST AND UNJUST..
Acts 24:15 15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, THAT THERE SHALL BE A RESURRECTION
OF THE DEAD, BOTH OF THE JUST AND THE UNJUST.
21Except it be FOR THIS ONE VOICE, that I CRIED STANDING AMONG THEM, TOUCHING THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD I AM CALLED IN QUESTION BY YOU THIS DAY.
22And when Felix heard these things, having more perfect knowledge of that way, he deferred them, and said, When Lysias the chief captain shall come down, I will know the uttermost of your matter. 23And he commanded a centurion to keep Paul, and to let him have liberty, and that he should forbid none of his acquaintance to minister or come unto him.
24And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ. 25And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee. 26He hoped also that money should have been given him of Paul, that he might loose him: wherefore he sent for him the oftener, and communed with him. 27But after two years Porcius Festus came into Felix' room: and Felix, willing to shew the Jews a pleasure, left Paul bound
 
THE SWORD OF TRUTH WILL EXPOSE US ALL:

Mark 7:6 And He said to them, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you HYPOCRITES, as it is written: 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.


Scripture line and precept:
Isaiah 29:13Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men

Ezekiel 33:31 "They come to you as people come, and sit before you as My people and hear your words, but they do not do them, for they do the lustful desires expressed by their mouth, and their heart goes after their gain.

Job 34:22 "There is no darkness or deep shadow Where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.


Mark 7:3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the TRADITIONS OF THE ELDERS

Mark 7:5 “Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the TRADITION OF THE ELDERS, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Mark 7:9 “And he said unto them, Full well ye REJECT THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD, that ye may KEEP YOUR OWN TRADITION
Mark 7:17 “MAKING THE WORD OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT THROUGH YOUR TRADITION, WHICH YE HAVE DELIVERED, MANY SUCH LIKE THINGS DO YE..

Mark 15:9 But IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

Galatians 1:14 And ‘PROFITED’ in the Jews' RELIGION above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the TRADITIONS OF MY FATHERS of my fathers

Galatians 2:5 But WE DID NOT YIELD IN SUBJECTION TO THEM FOR EVEN AN HOUR, SO THAT THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL WOULD REMAIN WITH YOU.

Galatians 2:14 “But when I saw that THEY WALKED NOT UPRIGHTLY ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL, l, I said unto Peter before them all, IF THOU BEING A JEW, LIVEST AFTER THE MANNER OF THE GENTILES, AND NOT AS DO THE JEWS, WHY COMPELLEST THE GENTILES TO LIVE AS DO THE JEWS?


Colossians 1:5 because of the HOPE laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard IN THE TRUTH, THE GOSPEL..”

2 Timothy 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

Colossians 2:22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)-- in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
1 Timothy 1:4 nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.
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Titus: 1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
4To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
5For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: 6If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 7For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16They PROFESS that THEY KNOW GOD; but in WORKS they DENY HIM, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate


Colossians 2:8”See to it that NO ONE TAKES YOU CAPTIVE no one takes you captive THROUGH PHILOSOPHY and EMPTY DECEPTION, ACCORDING TO THE TRADITION OF MEN, ACCORDING TO THE ELEMENTARY (Pagan) PRINCIPLES of OF THE WORLD, RATHER THAN ACCORDING TO CHRIST.

Colossians 1:5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard IN THE WORD OF TRUTH, the GOSPEL.


Galatians 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
Acts 22:3 "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, EDUCATED UNDER GAMALIEL, STRICTLY ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF OUR FATHERS, being ZEALOUS FOR GOD just as you all are today.


Micah 6:16 “For THE STATUTES OF OMRI ARE KEPT, and ALL THE WORKS OF THE HOUSE OF AHAB, and YE WALK IN THEIR COUNSELS; that I should make thee a desolation, and the inhabitants thereof an hissing: therefore ye shall bear the reproach of my people.

Jeremiah 9:14 but have walked AFTER THE STUBBORNESS OF THEIR HEART, and AFTER THE BAALS, AS THEIR FATHERS TAUGHT THEM,"
Jeremiah 7:24 "Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but WALKED IN THEIR OWN COUNSELS and IN THE STUBBORNESS OF THEIR EVIL HEART,, and WENT BACKWARD AND NOT FORWARD.

Matthew 15:5 "But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,"
6. And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by YOUR TRADITION.

How often do we CANCEL OUT out the effectiveness of God's Word working in our lives, because OUR TRADITIONS, and the WORDS AND COMMANDS OF MEN...have more value. WE MAKE HIS WORD 'NUL AND VOID! We will fight about "our tradition", "what he or she says is how we should do'....BUT HOW MANY OF US WILL STAND UP FOR THE WORD AND NOT BACK DOWN AGAINST A LIE....just to keep the peace. But, now, We can simply say: I AM STANDING ON THE WORD AND THE PROMISES OF GOD, and STAND ON IT! period...we do not need to "fight" and "wrangle" and GET PHYSICAL....just STAND!!!!

Ephesians tells us to have on all our armour...pray without ceasing, etc. And after we have done all these things...."STAND!"
 
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Finally, if we ‘believe we are in the last day’ , JUST HOW IMPORTANT IS ‘CHOOSING CHRIST’ AND WHAT HE SAYS?
The things ‘we are doing for the Lord’…..the sacrifices we are making, for the Lord’….all our ‘good intentions’ ‘all of our ‘feelings’ ….OUR ways of WORSHIP…HOW DO THEY MEASURE AGAINST HIS WORD?

John 12:48 JESUS SAID: HE THAT REJECTETH ME, and RECEIVETH NOT MY WORDS, HATH ONE THAT JUDGETH HIM; THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, THE SAME WILL JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY.

PRECEPTS:
Ecclesiates 5:1 “Keep thy foot WHEN THO GOEST TO THE HOUSE OF GOD, and BE MORE READY TO HEAR, THAN TO GIVE THE SACRIFICE OF FOOLS; FOR THEY CONSIDER NOT THAT THEY DO EVIL.”
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE,; whether the GODS WHICH YOUR FATHERS SERVED THAT WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLOOD, OR THE GODS OF THE AMORITES, IN WHOSE LAND YE DWELL: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.



1 Samuel 15:22 Samuel said, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in OBEYING THE VOICE OF THE LORD? Behold, TO OBEY IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE, And to heed than the fat of rams.

Acts 6:7 The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and A GREAT MANY OF THE PRIESTS WERE BECOMING OBEDIENT TO THE FAITH.

Jude 1:17 But you, beloved, ought to REMEMBER THE WORDS THAT WERE SPOKE BEFOREHAND BY THE APOSTLES OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.


1 Timothy 6:12 Fight THE GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH; TAKE HOLD OF THE ETERNAL LIFE TO WHICH YOU WERE CALLED, and YOU MADE THE GOOD CONFESSION IN THE PRESENCE OF MANY WITNESSES.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that YE SHOULD EARNESTLY CONTEND FOR THE FAITH WHICH WAS…… ONCE……DELIVERED UNTO THE SAINTS.

Paul wept tears over US…those who have served as overseers, …the flock, and said to the overseers:

28Take heed therefore UNTO YOURSELVES , AND TO ALL THE FLOCK, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, TO FEED THE CHURCH OF GOD, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29For I KNOW THIS, THAT AFTER MY DEPARTING…. SHALL GRIEVOUS WOLVES ENTER IN AMONG YOU, NOT SPARING THE FLOCK . 30 Also OF YOUR OWN SELVES SHALL MEN ARISE, SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM.31Therefore WATCH, and REMEMBER, that by the space of three years I CEASED NOT TO WARN EVERY ONE NIGHT AND DAY WITH TEARS.


MANY ARE CRYING OUT FOR CHRIST TO COME…..
Luke 18: 7And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless WHEN THE SON OF MAN COMETH, SHALL HE FIND FAITH ON THE EARTH?
THE BOTTOM LINE IS 'CHOOSING WHOM YOU WILL SERVE'. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE FOR EVERY ONE...BELIEVER OR UNBELIEVER....WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE:

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for ME and MY HOUSE, WE will serve the LORD.

That is all that was laid on my heart to share with you.
 
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Additional Scriptures to consider: KEEPING THE FAITH


1 Tim 1:19Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck

1 Timothy 6:21 which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith. Grace be with you.

2 Timothy 2:18 men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some
Titus 1:11 who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.
1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
Proverbs 25:14 Like clouds and wind without rain Is a man who boasts of his gifts falsely.

Ephesians 4:14 As a result, WE ARE NO LONGER TO BE CHILDREN, TOSSED HERE AND THERE BY WAVES AND CARRIED ABOUT BY EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE, by the TRICKERY OF MEN, by CRAFTINESS, DECEITFUL SCHEMING;

Jude 1:12 "These are SPOTS in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves WITHOUT FEAR: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

WHAT JESUS ENDURED FROM FALSE SHEPHERDS AND PRIESTS WARNINGS TO PRIESTS ,PASTORS, PROPHETS

Luke 22:2 The CHIEF PRIESTS AND THE SCRIBES were seeking how they might put Him to death; for they were afraid of the people.
Mark 14:1 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death
Matthew 27:1 Now when morning came, all the chief priests and the elders of the people conferred together against Jesus to put Him to death

WARNING:
Malachi 2:1 “And now, O YE PRIESTS,, this commandment IS FOR YOU. 2If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. 3Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. 4And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 5My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. 6The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. 7For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.”


PRECEPTS OF WARNING: AVOID CREATURE WORSHIP...WORSHIPPING MAN
Jeremiah 10:21 For the shepherds have become stupid And have not sought the LORD; Therefore they have not prospered, And all their flock is scattered.
Jeremiah 23:1 “Woe be unto the PASTORS that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD”
Jeremiah 50:6 "My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds HAVE LED THEM ASTRAY. They have made them turn aside on the mountains; They have gone along from mountain to hill And have forgotten their resting place.
Ezekiel 13:3 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Woe to the FOOLISH PROPHETS who are following THEIR OWN and have SEEN NOTHING.
Zechariah 11:17 "Woe to the worthless shepherd Who leaves the flock! A sword will be on his arm And on his right eye! His arm will be totally withered And his right eye will be blind."

Ezekiel 34:; Zechariah 10:3; 11:3; 11:5; Isaiah 56:11; Jeremiah 23: 4:
 
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I believe so. I first hesitated to participate in this one but it forced me to go back and reread what I was taught.

Revelations is symbolic and the golden age is not one where there's going to be a total lack of evil, but will co-exist with the good, as in now. Christ's Church already rules, but from heaven. There will be a day when the believers are gathered together, rapture, but not until the Second Coming. There are not three according to what I was taught, based upon scriptures. And the following do not indicate that Christ was on the earth during this reign. Rather, it is in heaven.

Revelation 4:1-4

1After (A)these things I looked, and behold, (B)a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, (C)like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "(D)Come up here, and I will (E)show you what must take place after these things."

2Immediately I was [a](F)in the Spirit; and behold, (G)a throne was standing in heaven, and (H)One sitting on the throne.

3And He who was sitting was like a (I)jasper stone and a (J)sardius in appearance; and there was a (K)rainbow around the throne, like an (L)emerald in appearance.

4(M)Around the throne were (N)twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw (O)twenty-four elders (P)sitting, clothed in (Q)white garments, and (R)golden crowns on their heads.

Revelations 11: 15-16

15Then the (AJ)seventh angel sounded; and there were (AK)loud voices in heaven, saying, "(AL)The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of (AM)His [c]Christ; and (AN)He will reign forever and ever."

16And the twenty-four elders, who (AO)sit on their thrones before God, (AP)fell on their faces and worshiped God,

Rev. 20:4-6

4Then I saw (H)thrones, and (I)they sat on them, and (J)judgment was given to them And I saw (K)the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their (L)testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not (M)worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the (N)mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they (O)came to life and (P)reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. (Q)This is the first resurrection.

6(R)Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the (S)second death has no power, but they will be (T)priests of God and of Christ and will (U)reign with Him for a thousand years.

In the meantime, the recommendation is:

"But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. . . . Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace" (2 Pet. 3:8–14).
 
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YOUR quote: Revelations is symbolic and ****the golden age is *****not one where there's going to be a total lack of evil, ******but will co-exist with the good, ****as in now*****

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HEAR THE APOSTLES
2 Peter 3:13 “NEVERTHELESS, WE, ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISE, LOOK FOR NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH, WHEREIN DWELLETH RIGHTEOUSNESS.”



PRECEPTS:

1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, THAT I WILL RAISE UP THY SEED AFTER THEE, WHICH SHALL BE OF THY SONS, AND I WILL ESTABLISH HIS KINGDOM.

Daniel 2:44 And IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and THE KINGDOM shall not be left to other people, but IT SHALL BREAK IN PIECES AND CONSUME ALL THESE KINGDOMS, AND IT SHALL STAND FOREVER..

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and “””””THE GOVERNMENT SHALL BE UPON HIS SHOULDER””””: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The PRINCE OF PEACE.

Isaiah 24:1 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.



Revelation 1: 1 THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and KEEP THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN THEREIN: for the time is at hand.

HEAR HIM:

Revelation 3:21 'He who overcomes, I WILL GRANT TO SIT DOWN WITH ME ON MY THRONE, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Revelation 5:10 “And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH.”
Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.
Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, THEIR PART WILL BE in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Revelation 22:15 OUTSIDE are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying
1 Corinthians 6:9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”
Galatians 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Romans 8:21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.


HEAR HIM:
Revelation 21:1 "And I saw A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, NEW JERUSALEM, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

HEAR HIM:
Luke 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. THY KINGDOM COME. THY WILL BE DONE, AS IN HEAVEN, SO IN EARTH..



Matthew 13:41 “The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and THEY SHALL GATHER OUT OF HIS KINGDOM ALL THINGS THAT OFFEND, AND THEM THAT DO INIQUITY;”
Revelation 3:1 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and THE NAME OF THE CITY OF MY GOD, WHICH IS ‘’’’’NEW JERUSALEM’’’’, “””” WHICH COMETH DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN””””””…….FROM MY GOD”””””: and I will write upon him my new name....
 
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HEAR THE PROPHETS:
PRECEPTS

Isaiah 2:2 Now it will come about that IN THE LAST DAYS, THE MOUNTAIN OF THE HOUSE OF THE LORD WILL BE ESTABLISHED AS THE CHIEF OF THE MOUNTAINS, And will be raised above the hills; And ALL THE NATIONS WILL STREAM TO IT.
Micah 4:1 And it will come about IN THE LAST DAYS, That THE MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD WILL BE ESTABLISHED AS THE CHIEF OF THE MOUNTAINS. It will be raised above the hills, And THE PEOPLE WILL STREAM TO IT.
Micah 4:2 MANY NATIONS WILL COME AND SAY, "Come and let us go up TO THE MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD AND TO THE HOUSE OF THE GOD OF JACOB, That He may teach us about His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For FROM ZION will go forth THE LAW, EVEN THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM.
Micah 4:3 “And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more

Isaiah 2:4 And HE WILL JUDGE BETWEEN THE NATIONS, And WILL RENDER DECISIONS FOR MANY PEOPLES; will render decisions for many peoples; And THEY WILL HAMMER THEIR SWORDS INTO PLOWSHARES AND THEIR SPEARS INTO PRUNING HOOKS. NATION WILL NOT LIFT UP SWORD AGAINST NATION, AND NEVER AGAIN WILL THEY LEARN WAR.
Isaiah 10:12 SO IT WILL BE that when the Lord has completed all His work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, He will say, "I will punish the fruit of the arrogant heart of the king of Assyria and the pomp of his haughtiness."

Isaiah 13:11 THUS I WILL PUNISH THE WORLD FOR ITS EVIL AND THE WICKED FOR THEIR INIQUITY.; I will also PUT AN END TO the arrogance of the proud And abase the haughtiness of the ruthless
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Isaiah 60:21 "THEN ALL YOUR PEOPLE WILL BE RIGHTEOUS; THEY WILL POSSESS THE LAND FOREVER, The branch of My planting, The work of My hands, That I may be glorified.
Isaiah 65:17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And THE FORMER THINGS WILL NOT BE REMEMBERED OR COME TO MIND.”
Isaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent's food. They will DO NO EVIL OR HARM IN ALL MY HOLY MOUNTAIN," says the LORD.
Isaiah 66:23 "And it shall be from NEW MOON TO NEW MOON And FROM SABBATH TO SABBATH, ALL MANKIND WILL COME TO BOW DOWN BEFORE ME," says the LORD.
Hosea 2:18 "In that day I will also make a covenant for them With the beasts of the field, The birds of the sky And the creeping things of the ground. And I WILL ABOLISH THE BOW, THE SWORD, AND WAR FROM THE LAND, And will make them lie down in safety. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for THE EARTH SHALL BE FULL OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD, AS THE WATERS COVER THE SEA.
Isaiah 66:23 "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD.
Isaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent's food. They will do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain," says the LORD.
Micah 4:3 “And he shall JUDGE among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.”

Proverbs 28:5 Evil men understand not JUDGEMENT: but they that seek the LORD understand all things

DAVID SAID: Psalm 119:100 I understand more than the aged, Because I have OBSERVED YOUR 'PRECEPTS'.


Isaiah 5: 20Woe unto them that call EVIL GOOD, and GOOD EVIL; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Romans 2:9 “TRIBULATION and anguish, UPON EVERY SOUL OF MAN THAT DOTH EVIL , of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;”
Psalm 9:5 You have rebuked the nations, You have destroyed the wicked; You have blotted out their name forever and ever.
Proverbs 2:21For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. 22But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
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You ask many questions:
Have you ever asked yourself these questions?

Corinthians 6:16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOOD; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

DO YOU THINK THAT GOD WAS JUST MAKING UP STUFF?

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

DID THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN? DID JESUS ACTUALLY COME TO THE EARTH?
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

MORE QUESTIONS:

WHERE WAS JESUS WHEN THIS VOICE SPOKE FROM HEAVEN? IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH?

Luke 9:35 “And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him

IF HE WAS COMING UP OUT OF THE WATER AND JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS THERE, WAS THIS ON EARTH OR WAS IT IN HEAVEN?

2 Peter 1:19 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, WHEN WE WERE WITH HIM (CHRIST) IN THE HOLY MOUNT
WHERE WAS JESUS AND PETER AND THE OTHER APOSTLE THAT HEARD THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN? IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH?
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Revelation 18:4 “ And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

WHERE ARE HIS PEOPLE AT THE TIME THAT THIS VOICE IS SPEAKING TELLING THEM TO COME OUT OF BABYLON ? IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH?

Genesis 21:17 “And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar OUT OF HEAVEN, and SAID UNTO HER, “What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.”

WHERE WAS HAGAR AND ISHMAEL WHEN THE VOICE WAS SPEAKING TO HER OUT OF HEAVEN?

Genesis 21:14And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba. 15And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs. 16And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept. 17And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is. 18Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation. 19And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink. 20And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. 21And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

So because the voice spoke out of heaven…..WAS SHE AND HER SON IN HEAVEN? Or was she in the wilderness of Beersheba?

JESUS SAID: John 5:28 “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice AND COME OUT...

ARE THERE GRAVES IN HEAVEN?DO WE BURY THE DEAD IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH?

Deuteronomy 4:36 “Out of heaven he made you to hear his voice, that he might instruct you: and on earth he showed you his great fire; and you heard his words out of the middle of the fire.”


HAS GOD EVER COME DOWN TO EARTH SINCE THE TIME OF ADAM?


Exodus 19: 9 “And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD
Exodus 19:19 When the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him with thunder.
Exodus 20:18 All the people perceived the thunder and the lightning flashes and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood at a distance.
Exodus 20:22 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'You yourselves have seen that I have spoken to you from heaven.
Exodus 24:15 Then Moses went up to the mountain, and the cloud covered the mountain.
Exodus 24:16 The glory of the LORD rested on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it for six days; and on the seventh day He called to Moses from the midst of the cloud

Exodus 33:20 But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"
Exodus 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Deuteronomy 4:12 "Then the LORD spoke to you from the midst of the fire; you heard the sound of words, but you saw no form-- only a voice.
Nehemiah 9:13 "Then YOU CAME DOWN ON MOUNT SINAI, And SPOKE WITH THEM FROM HEAVEN; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments

DID THIS TAKE PLACE IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH?

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.


DID GOD EVER COME DOWN TO EARTH BEFORE ADAM?

Genesis 2: 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

WAS THIS DUST FROM THE GROUND IN HEAVEN? OR WAS IT ON THE EARTH? IS THERE DUST IN HEAVEN?

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

WAS ADAM AND EVE CREATED IN HEAVEN OR ON THE EARTH? WHO CREATED THEM?

Genesis 3: 8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. 9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself

Genesis 3:10 He said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

So now that they had sinned….DID THIS SIN TAKE PLACE IN HEAVEN? DID THEY HIDE FROM HIM IN HEAVEN? WAS HIS VOICE IN HEAVEN OR IN THE GARDEN? WAS THE GARDEN IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH?

Genesis 3: 21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God MAKE COATS OF SKIN, AND CLOTHED THEM..."

DID GOD MAKE THESE ‘COATS’ OF SKIN IN HEAVEN? ON ON THE EARTH? BECAUSE IF HE MADE THEM IN HEAVEN, DOES THIS MEAN THAT ADAM AND EVE AND THE ANIMALS WERE IN HEAVEN?



Genesis 4: 9And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? 10And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. 11And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; 12When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. 13And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear. 14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. 16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

WAS CAIN IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH? CAN GOD’S VOICE BE HEARD IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH? WHERE WAS THE ‘PRESENCE OF THE LORD” WHEN THIS CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE?

DID GOD COME DOWN SINCE THE TIME OF CAIN AND MOSES?

E.G. WHEN PEOPLE WERE BUILDING THE TOWER OF BABEL?
Genesis 11:7 “Go to, LET US GO DOWN, AND THERE CONFOUND THEIR LANGUAGE, that they may not understand one another's speech.”

DO YOU THINK THAT REALLY HAPPENED? OR DID HE JUST MAKE IT UP?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE GOD WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH AND PUT MAN ON IT, IS CAPABLE OF COMING DOWN TO THE EARTH AND RESIDING WITH MEN?

DO YOU THINK THAT ACCORDING TO HIS WORD HE PLANS TO?
OR DO YOU JUST THINK IT IS A FANTASY THAT HE HAS NO INTENTION OR CAPACITY OF FULFILLING?
 
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IS GOD ALLOWED TO LEAVE HEAVEN? CAN THE HEAVENS CONTAIN HIM?

2 Chronicles 6:18 "But will God indeed dwell with mankind on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You; how much less this house which I have built.
1 Kings 8:27 "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!
2 Chronicles: 2:6 “But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING ON AND IN THE NEW EARTH?
Psalm 74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter.
Genesis 8:22 "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, And cold and heat, And summer and winter, And day and night Shall not cease."
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain
Psalm 37:11 But the humble will inherit the land And will delight themselves in abundant prosperity
Matthew 5: 5 “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Psalm 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

WHAT ABOUT THIS MAN MADE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM? WHO IS GOING TO BUILD IT? OR IS IT A BUILDING AT ALL?

Micah 1:3 For behold, the LORD IS COMING FORTH FROM HIS PLACE. HE WILL COME DOWN AND TREAD ON THE HIGH PLACES OF THE EARTH
Zechariah 14:4 “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south..

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
Ezekiel 37:27 "My dwelling place also will be with them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people.
Ezekiel 48:35 "The city shall be 18,000 cubits round about; and the name of the city from that day shall be, 'The LORD is there.'"

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

Revelation 21:3 “Behold, THE TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, and HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and GOD HIMSELF SHALL BE WITH THEM, and be their God
Revelation 7:15 "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.
Revelation 21: 22And I SAW NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE THE TEMPLE OF ITare the temple of it. 23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for THE GLORY OF THE LORD DID LIGHT ITt, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and THE KINGS OF THE EARTH do bring their glory and honour into it. 25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

NOW IF THE NEW JERUSALEM IS COMING DOWN TO THE EARTH OUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD....
... IF HIS KINGS AND PRIESTS ARE RULING ON THE EARTH, AND BRINGING THEIR GLORY INTO THE TEMPLE, AND NATIONS ARE WALKING IN ITS LIGHT, AND THEY ARE KEEPING THE SABBATHS.....AND HIS LAWS ....AND 'GOD HIMSELF' SHALL BE WITH THEM......DWELL WITH THEM....

IS THIS IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH?
 
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SOME INTERPRET THE SCRIPTURES FOR THEMSELVES...SOME ALLOW SOMEONE ELSE TO INTERPRET THEM FOR THEM..........AND SOME JUST BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES AND ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH TO LEAD THEM INTO ALL TRUTH...SOME JUST QUESTION EVERYTHING... BUT WILL NOT ALLOW HIM TO ANSWER...BY HIS SCRIPTURES OR BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT. THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NEVER CONTRADICT THE SCRIPTURES BECAUSE THE WORD IS FULL OF PRECEPTS TO ENABLE US TO COME TO AN ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE..IF WE HAVE A LOVE FOR TRUTH....WE WILL SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES...AND STRING TOGETHER THE PEARLS OF TRUTH CONTAINED IN THEM AS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH REVEALS THEM TO YOU. No man or woman can do that for you. The kindest, most loving thing that they can do is TO REFER YOU BACK TO THE SCRIPTURES AND TO THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, AND TELL YOU TO SEARCH....SEARCH...THE SCRIPTURES.. "Let him that has ears, HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT

IS SAYING."

Precepts:

Isaiah 2:3 “And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and LET US GO UP TO THE MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD, TO THE HOUSE OF THE GOD OF JACOB, and HE WILL TEACH US OF HIS WAYS, AND WE WILL WALK IN HIS PATHS, FOR OUT OF ZION SHALL GO FORTH THE LAW, AND THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM.”
Matthew 13:43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN ‘in the kingdom of their Father’. He who has ears, let him hear.
Revelation 3:12 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar IN THE TEMPLE OF MY GOD, and HE WILL NOT GO OUT FROM IT ANYMORE; and I will write on him the name of My God, and THE NAME OF THE CITY OF MY GOD, THE NEW JERUSALEM, which COMES DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN from My God, and My new name.

REMEMBER, REVELATION IS A BOOK OF PROPHECY…
Revelation 22: 16 “I Jesus have sent mine angel TO TESTIFY UNTO YOU THESE THINGS IN THE CHURCHES. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18For I TESTIFY UNTO EVERY MAN THAT HEARETH THE WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK, IF ANY MAN shall ADD unto these things, GOD SHALL ADD UNTO HIM THE PLAGUES THT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK: 19And IF ANY MAN SHALL TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY, God SHALL TAKE AWAY HIS PART OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, AND OUT OF THE HOLY CITY, AND FROM THE THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK.
LET CHRIST SPEAK, LET HIM SAY WHO WE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO:
Revelation 2:7 “He that hath an ear, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Now THE SPIRIT IS NOT GOING TO TELL YOU ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT CHRIST SAYS!
John 16:13 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
Christ said: Matthew 11:15 "He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
John 4:23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Mark 4:23 "If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear."

NOW WHERE WAS JOHN, WHEN HE SAW THE VISION THAT WAS GIVEN IN SYMBOLS TO HIM?
DID THE THINGS THAT HE SAW OCCUR IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH?
WAS JOHN IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH WHEN HE HAD THE VISIONS?
ARE THERE PRISONS IN HEAVEN?
WAS HE HAVING VISIONS ABOUT THE PAST OR THE FUTURE?
WHO SHOWED HIM THESE THINGS?
WAS IT INTENDED TO BE A MYSTERY OR A REVELATION...?

The REVELATION of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and SIGNIFIED IT BY HIS ANGEL UNTO HIS SERVANT JOHN: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST, and of all things that he saw

Revelation 1: 9 “I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet


IF IT WAS THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST, SHOULD WE NOT 'HEAR HIM'? JUST 'BELIEVE HIM'?

Can you imagine if you appeared in court and gave your testimony and then hundreds of people came behind you and interpreted your testimony and replaced it with their testimony and then said "This is what she meant to say!"?...unto YOU could no longer recognize YOUR TESTIMONY?
 
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blazingthru said:
Where does it say those that are in hell will be taken out and judged?

We have to do things in order - You have to remember you can't always read the chapters in groups you have to break them down (sometimes). The bible is design for research and study. You have to first learn the character of God.. He is a loving God, He is faithful and truth. This entire thing with Hell is not something he wants to do. So if your thinking that people are burning in hell now as we speak, what do you think about the Character of God. We serve a Just God. He would not have someone burning in Hell forever and his forever is not our forever its until the end of a thing. Sodom and Gomorrah is an example of his forever, it burned until it was ashe. thats it. Satan encouraged us to think that those tales are true but they are not true. he is not burning in hell. He is walking around going here and there all over the earth seeing who he can devour( turn his way) that is what he is doing because he has only a little while and then he will come into his power. That is our tribulation getting through it. But God promises to seal his people. Everything comes down to worship that is truly what this is all about.
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Agreed.
The Bible DOES NOT TEACH that Satan is "in a burning hell" right now. There is no one in a "burning hell" right now. Otherwise, we are calling the Scriptures a LIE! That is a MAN MADE DOCTRINE.


Yes. He is still walking about the earth seeking whom he can devour and deceive just as he was in the time of Job.


Job 1:6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.


1 Peter 5:8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Right now, HIS FULL TIME JOB IS DECEIVING MANKIND AND MAKING WAR ON THE SAINTS AND BLASPHEMING THE HEAVENLY FATHER AND CHRIST. He will continue his evil works UNTIL HE IS BOUND
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

When he is let loose at the end of 1000 he will try to start trouble all over again but he does not get very far. THIS IS WHEN HE IS DESTROYED FOREVER! THIS IS WHEN HE IS '''thrown'''' into THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Revelation 20:7 “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. “

Revelation 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
 
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The Bible simply does not tell us exactly how long the tribulation is, but people will definitely live through it. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24:21,22 that the days will be shortened for the chosen ones for them to be saved alive, thus they live through the tribulation. The tribulation times are likened to Noah's Day. Noah and his family and also Lot and his 2 daughters who lived through their times of tribulation. Matthew 24:37-39 2 Peter 2:5-9.
Revelation 7: 1-17 shows the 144,000 and a great crowd who come out of the tribulation. They live through it to be guided by God and his Lamb.
In Bible times, God has always saved his chosen ones while their enemies were destroyed. The tribulation movies show the righteous fighting against the anti christ and his enemies. God said that his servants will not need to do so. He will make His business to protect His worshipers. Ezekiel 38 & 39, the whole chapters, tells us that God's servants will be attacked and God will destroy all of those enemies. Revelation 16:14 calls this Armageddon, the climax of the tribulation. The tribulation is something to look forward to because God's will will be done on earth as it is in heaven when the tribulation is finished.
 
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Natchitoches said:
IMHO, the obvious difficulty in preferring a private revelation of scripture as opposed to your denominational accepted translation is that, rather than having a magisterum of sorts to interpret according to wide acceptance (prayer, study, the Holy Spirit), there is an even greater chance of error in the individual interpretation. We simply were not meant to walk this road alone. Does that mean that I can't read the scriptures and understand them? No, but it does mean that I am meant to comprehend them within a christian community of faith. The precedent was given before Christ. He didn't change that, but He fulfilled it. Just my .02
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Who would 'prefer to be alone'?
If you understood the Word when you went to your meeting...and while you were at your meeting...would you still understand it when you went home? or would you lose your comprehension once you left the meeting?

In other words....Does Christ Change what He is saying from place to place, depending on where you are at the time? Does He say one thing in Church and then change His mind when you are at home?

Does He say that wherever there are 2 or 3 gathered in His Name...that He is in the midst of them?
Now does He leave you when you leave the gathering or is He with you always till the end of the days...like He says in His word?
Are you implying that it is 'wrong or unscriptural ' to pick up your Bible and study it at home.... That you must only do it in a group...? or is all right to do both... Do personal study and also fellowship? Aren't we supposed to do both? One does not cancel out the other. Have you been taught that you 'cannot read the Bible and study it' or that you need 'supervision' when you open it, because you are incapable of understanding unless you are in a group at the time? What if you just love the Word of God and love reading it? Do you think that God has a problem with that?

Do you think that the Holy Spirit will only speak to you or guide you in a group? Do you not know that He desires that we are to be led by the Spirit at all times, if we are sons of God? Regarding the "Denominationally" - Accepted Translation....."...My greater concern is whether God accepts the translation. Denominations are divided on translations as well, so depending on whose translation you use.....or which denomination you belong to, it can get 'complicated'.

Are you assuming that people who open their Bible in private when they are at home, do not fellowship? Actually, His Word and Holy Spirit says the same thing to me, regardless of where I am at and when I am reading the Word. I try my best to follow Christ. Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever."
 
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Mahalialee4 said:
Who would 'prefer to be alone'?
If you understood the Word when you went to your meeting...and while you were at your meeting...would you still understand it when you went home? or would you lose your comprehension once you left the meeting?

In other words....Does Christ Change what He is saying from place to place, depending on where you are at the time? Does He say one thing in Church and then change His mind when you are at home?

Does He say that wherever there are 2 or 3 gathered in His Name...that He is in the midst of them?
Now does He leave you when you leave the gathering or is He with you always till the end of the days...like He says in His word?
Are you implying that it is 'wrong or unscriptural ' to pick up your Bible and study it at home.... That you must only do it in a group...? or is all right to do both... Do personal study and also fellowship? Aren't we supposed to do both? One does not cancel out the other. Have you been taught that you 'cannot read the Bible and study it' or that you need 'supervision' when you open it, because you are incapable of understanding unless you are in a group at the time? What if you just love the Word of God and love reading it? Do you think that God has a problem with that?

Do you think that the Holy Spirit will only speak to you or guide you in a group? Do you not know that He desires that we are to be led by the Spirit at all times, if we are sons of God? Regarding the "Denominationally" - Accepted Translation....."...My greater concern is whether God accepts the translation. Denominations are divided on translations as well, so depending on whose translation you use.....or which denomination you belong to, it can get 'complicated'.

Are you assuming that people who open their Bible in private when they are at home, do not fellowship? Actually, His Word and Holy Spirit says the same thing to me, regardless of where I am at and when I am reading the Word. I try my best to follow Christ. Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever."
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Nope, and I didn't say so either. My post is easy to understand. I have no agendas. Simply put, maybe some people should ask their pastors.
 
Mahalialee4 said:
YOUR quote: Revelations is symbolic and ****the golden age is *****not one where there's going to be a total lack of evil, ******but will co-exist with the good, ****as in now*****

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Yeah, I believe I already provided the scriptures. Christ is reigning right now, from heaven. This is that time. There exists evil alongside good and Satan is somewhat chained, thereby not being able to totally deceive mankind. The ultimate solution to the world's woes will be Jesus' Second Coming. The bible doesn't indicate a third.
 
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