ARE CHRISTIANS SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION?

[taytay86]

Ladies, I am so confusederplexed.

All my life I've learned that the rapture will come, take all of us away and then the great tribulation will occur. After 7 years, and after the 7 plagues, we will then come back with Jesus for the final battle.

Now I am hearing from certain preachers that the rapture will take place after the tribulation - and anything else is a lie. We as Christians are to go through the "struggle" and come out stronger - right when everyone turns on us, Jesus will appear.

I'm not sure this makes sense

I've read Revelations - and watched topics about Armageddon etc. on the History channel, and I can't see God putting us through THAT (great tribulation). But then I think, during the mass exodus the Egyptians went through similar plagues, but the Israelites were spared. I believe this proved to Pharaoh and the idol worshippers that God is real, and the protector of His people - would He show the world this again by letting us live through the tribulation?

Is there any hope for those Christians who were left behind, to go back with Jesus after the Tribulation?

TIA

 

[Mahalialee4]

Ladies, I am so confusederplexed.

All my life I've learned that the rapture will come, take all of us away and then the great tribulation will occur. After 7 years, and after the 7 plagues, we will then come back with Jesus for the final battle.

Now I am hearing from certain preachers that the rapture will take place after the tribulation - and anything else is a lie. We as Christians are to go through the "struggle" and come out stronger - right when everyone turns on us, Jesus will appear.

I'm not sure this makes sense

I've read Revelations - and watched topics about Armageddon etc. on the History channel, and I can't see God putting us through THAT (great tribulation). But then I think, during the mass exodus the Egyptians went through similar plagues, but the Israelites were spared. I believe this proved to Pharaoh and the idol worshippers that God is real, and the protector of His people - would He show the world this again by letting us live through the tribulation?

Is there any hope for those Christians who were left behind, to go back with Jesus after the Tribulation?

TIA

Ladies, I am so confusederplexed.

All my life I've learned that the rapture will come, take all of us away and then the great tribulation will occur. After 7 years, and after the 7 plagues, we will then come back with Jesus for the final battle.

Now I am hearing from certain preachers that the rapture will take place after the tribulation - and anything else is a lie. We as Christians are to go through the "struggle" and come out stronger - right when everyone turns on us, Jesus will appear.

I'm not sure this makes sense

I've read Revelations - and watched topics about Armageddon etc. on the History channel, and I can't see God putting us through THAT (great tribulation). But then I think, during the mass exodus the Egyptians went through similar plagues, but the Israelites were spared. I believe this proved to Pharaoh and the idol worshippers that God is real, and the protector of His people - would He show the world this again by letting us live through the tribulation?

Is there any hope for those Christians who were left behind, to go back with Jesus after the Tribulation?

TIA

I believe what causes the confusion for a lot of people is that many DENOMINATIONAL pastors, and priests, religious leaders of various persuasions, and including those that BREAK AWAY and form their own congregations or churches are teaching Doctrines THAT 1. THEY WERE TRAINED IN in seminaries and bible schools AND TAUGHT ACCORDING TO 'DENOMINATIONAL DOCTRINES' WHEN IT COMES TO DOCTRINAL ISSUES. 2.. What they were trained in from 'PASTORS WHO HAD MENTORED THEM IN A PARTICULAR DENOMINATION 3. What they learned from Books and Philosophy, other men WHO HAD SPECIFIC DOCTRINAL LEANINGS or just chose to believe and teach based on a perceived societal need in their area..COMMUNITY BASED, ....not always solidly based on Scripture. Now I say this based on EXTENSIVE work I did with a Professor who taught Religious History to Priests and Pastors in Canada and The United States. A requirement that I had was to learn the beliefs and doctrines of the major religions, and those viewed as cults and sects, so that whenever I was interacting with someone from any religion, I would know what I was dealing with when it came to their belief systems and strongholds. It was then necessary for me to research whether what they were teaching was 'CHURCH 'TRADITIONAL' BELIEFS' or whether THOSE BELIEFS AND DOCTRINES THAT THEY WERE TEACHING met the criteria of LINE UPON LINE, PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT, which is how the Bible says we are to learn and in fact, was sound gospel, THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST or LEAVEN MIXED DOCTRINE. I also learned what is actually 'taught as DOCTRINAL 'curriculum' to their leaders'...and why across the board they maintain a SIMILAR OR SPECIFIC throughout the religious community of church leaders on specific subjects or doctrines. This was helpful to me in more ways than I can say. Being aware of this is why I make the Word of God my First and Final authority. Line upon line...precept upon precept AND THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST.

If you wish I can give you the Scriptural references regarding Tribulation and who goes through it. Particulary the BIG ONE! The acid test for any doctrine or practice is: The Word of God. Does the doctrine line up when you totally square it off with the Scriptures and not just the ' pet' Scriptures, but do they line up...line upon line, precept upon precept. Many of the Doctrines & 'favorite themes' taught today would not survive that 'acid test'. Many Pastors and Priests are actually aware of this and admit it, when you talk to them away from the masses but choose to go along with 'the general way' of presenting their 'doctrines' for reasons best known to them. Often churches report to a 'church' over them, that reports to another group over them, in what is called the 'The Covering' Doctrine and therefore are 'held accountable' someone over them, to make sure that they do not deviate from the 'established TRADITIONAL doctrines'. As a result, not many flucuate due to possible repercussions or just general lack of knowledge.

 

[taytay86]

I believe what causes the confusion for a lot of people is that many DENOMINATIONAL pastors and priests, and those that BREAK AWAY and form their own congregations or churches are teaching Doctrines THAT 1. THEY WERE TRAINED IN in seminaries and bible schools. 2.. What they were trained in from 'PASTORS WHO HAD MENTORED THEM IN A PARTICULAR DENOMINATION 3. What they learned from Books and Philosophy, other men or just chose to believe and teach based on a perceived societal need in their area..not always solidly based on Scripture. Now I say this based on EXTENSIVE work I did with a Professor who taught Religious History to Priests and Pastors in Canada and The United States. A requirement that I had was to learn the beliefs and doctrines of the major religions, and those viewd as cults and sects, so that whenever I was interacting with someone from any religion, I would know what I was dealing with when it came to their belief systems and strongholds. It was then necessary for me to research whether what they were teaching was 'CHURCH 'TRADITIONAL' BELIEFS' or whether it met the criteria of LINE UPON LINE, PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT, which is how the Bible says We are to learn. I also learned what is actually taught as curriculum to their leaders...and why across the board they maintain a specific thought on specific subjects or doctrines. This was helpful to me in more ways than I can say. This is why I make the Word of God my final authority. Line upon line...precept upon precept.

If you wish I can give you the Scriptural references regarding Tribulation and who goes through it. Particulary the BIG ONE! The acid test for any doctrine or practice is: The Word of God. Does the doctrine line up when you totally square it off with the Scriptures and not just the ' pet' Scriptures. Many of the Doctrines & 'favorite themes' taught today would not survive that acid test. Many Pastors and Priests are aware of this when you talk to them away from the masses.

Thank you for your reply - with 93 views and no response I was beginning to think no one knew the answer/cared enough to respond.

First, the line upon line, precept upon precept concept makes sense. But then it becomes an issue when reading certain bibles where scriptures have been changed purposely to deceive others. For example, the New Int. Version copyright is owned by Rupurt Murdock, a satanist and owner of fox news, and also the copyright holder of the satanic bibel. If I didn't know this, I would continue reading scriptures from this bible, and not receive the entire truth. So my question is, how do I know I am receiving the right information - directly from God, and not changed by man?

Second, yes please share your scriptural references on the tribulation, rapture and the final battle - Ideally, I would love a chronological diagram of some sort which lays everything out correctly from start to finish.

Lastly, please share what this Acid Test is.

TIA

 

[Mahalialee4]

Okay. In response to which Bible to use. Personally I use the 1611 King James version. A later edition, and two large lettered ones I study out of. With that said, I appreciate and acknowledge that there have been some changes in the form of 'editing, adding and some of them are very 'subtle,' but it does not change who God is, or Christ or the Spirit of Truth. In spite of the confusion, we need to be hearing the right teacher. Him. Christ.


Do you think that these Scriptures reflect THE FRUIT or end result of a variety of interpretations and teachings of Bible Scholars and Translators AND TEACHERS ? When you see THIS fruit….THAT IS A RED FLAG! CONFUSION Brings CONFUSION! Confusion is not a NEW thing! IT IS NOT A GOOD THING!

Acts 19: 32 "Some therefore cried ONE THING, and SOME ANOTHER,: for the assembly was CONFUSED: and the more part KNEW NOT wherefore they were come together."

1 Corinthians 14:33 For GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION, but of PEACE as in all churches of the saints.
James 3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH.

James 3:16 For where 'ENVYING' and 'STRIFE' is, there is CONFUSION and 'EVERY EVIL WORK'.

SOMETIMES NO MATTER HOW CLEARLY THE SCRIPTURES SPEAK, SPOKEN BY EVEN THE MOST ANOINTED SPEAKER AND TEACHER,…..SOME BELIEVE…AND SOME DON’T……..TELLS YOU SOMETHING!

Mark 9:7 Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice ...
... And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out
of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: 'HEAR HIM’...

In the midst of what everyone is saying: HEAR HIM..and HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS SAYING, BECAUSE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH TESTIFIES ABOUT CHRIST.

So I say: HEAR HIM
Christ said : John 5:“39 “SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify OF ME. 40And ye will not come to ME, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I AM COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME, and YE RECEIVE ME NOT: IF ANOTHER SHALL COME IN HIS OWN NAME, HIM YE WILL RECEIVE44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is ONE that accuseth you, even MOSES, in whom ye trust. 46For HAD YE BELIEVED ‘MOSES’, YE WOULD HAVE BELIEVE ME: FOR HE WROTE OF ME. 47But IF YE BELIEVE NOT HIS WRITINGS, HOW SHALL YE BELIEVE MY WORDS?

Paul, a most skillful TEACHER had this experience AND CONFIRMED WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HAD SPOKEN THROUGH ISAIAH:
Acts 28: 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his LODGING; to whom he EXPOUNDED AND TESTIFIED THE KINGDOM OF GOD, PERSUADING THEM CONCERNING ‘JESUS’, BOTH OUT OF ‘THE LAW’ AND OUT OF ‘THE PROPHETS’, FROM MORNING TILL EVENING. 24And SOME BELIEVED the things which were spoken, and SOME BELIEVED NOT. 25And WHEN THEY AGREED NOT AMONG THEMSELVES, THEY DEPARTED, AFTER THAT PAUL HAD SPOKEN ONE WORD, “ Well spake the HOLY GHOST ‘Esaias’ (Isaiah) the prophet unto our fathers 26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be CONVERTED, and I SHOULD HEAL THEM.”

The Bottom Line is and always will be: Whom Do You Believe? Whose Voice is Speaking to you? Are you hearing HIM?
Revelation 2:7 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
What I will add to this is : PRAY and ask the Father to reveal truth to you regarding the Tribulation by the Spirit of Truth from Scriptures I will send you. Will post some in my next post.

In the meantime read the Book of Lamentations: and the Book of Hebrews 11:32-40.. THE SAINTS WENT THROUGH SOME SERIOUS TRIBULATION in the past and still do TODAY. So 'TRIBULATION' is NOT NEW FOR GOD'S PEOPLE. It has been ONGOING since the garden of Eden where the first prophecy was given, I.E. Genesis 3:15...the hatred and war between the WOMAN'S SEED AND SATAN'S SEED... (remember line upon line, precept upon precept) John 2:22 " So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the SCRIPTURE and THE WORD which JESUS had spoken."
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME, he SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring ALL THINGS to YOUR REMEMBRANCE, whatsoever I HAVE SAID unto you
John 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL THE TRUTH; for He will NOT speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and HE WILL DISCLOSE TO YOU WHAT IS TO COME.”
John 2:22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

John 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL THE TRUTH; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and HE WILL DISCLOSE TO YOU WHAT IS TO COME.”

Isaiah 28: 9 "Whom shall HE TEACH KNOWLEDGE? and WHOM SHALL HE MAKE to understand DOCTRINE? them that are WEANED FROM MILK, and drawn from the breasts.

10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

 

[Mahalialee4]

THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH...YOUR TEACHER

I want to lift up the Word of God and Who He says is the MEDIATOR or go between. Who He says will be your Helper, your Comforter, also called ‘THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH”…that this same one will TESTIFY OF CHRIST….(WHO SAID) ..."will TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, BRING TO REMEMBRANCE ALL THAT I SAID TO YOU…."

1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”

CHRIST SAID:
John 14:16 "I will ask the FATHER, and He will GIVE YOU ANOTHER HELPER, that He may be with you FOREVER
John 14:17 that is THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, whom THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides WITH YOU and WILL BE IN YOU.
John 15:26But when the Comforter is come, WHOM I WILL SEND UNTO YOU FROM THE FATHER, even the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, WHICH PROCEEDETH FROM THE FATHER, he SHALL TESTIFY OF ME.”

1I AM THE TRUE VINE, and MY FATHER IS THE HUSBANDMAN. 2EVERY BRANCH IN ME THAT BEARETH NOT FRUIT HE TAKETH AWAY: and EVERY BRANCH THAT BEARETH FRUIT, HE PURGETH IT, that IT MAY BRING FORTH MORE FRUIT. 3Now YE ARE CLEAN THROUGH THE WORD WHICH I HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU. 4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING..

1 John 2:26These things have I written unto you CONCERNING THEM THAT SEDUCE YOU. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and YE NEED NOT that any man teach you: but as THE SAME ANOINTING TEACHETH YOU ALL THINGS, and IS TRUTH, and IS NO LIE, and EVEN AS IT HATH TAUGHT YOU, ye shall abide in HIM.

John 2:22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples REMEMBERED that HE said this; and they BELIEVED THE SCRIPTURE and THE WORD WHICH JESUS HAD SPOKEN.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME, he shall TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring ALL things to your remembrance, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU."

John 16:13 "But when He, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, comes, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL THE TRUTH; for He will NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE, but whatever HE HEARS, He will SPEAK; and HE WILL DISCLOSE TO YOU WHAT IS TO COME.”

Whatever comes HERE IS SOME ENCOURAGEMENT FOR YOU THAT HE WILL NOT LEAVE YOU IN CONFUSION OR WITHOUT HIS TAKING CARE OF YOU WHEN YOU PUT YOUR TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD AND ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.

Isaiah 30: 20And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: 21And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left
Psalm 25:9 He leads the humble in justice, And He teaches the humble His way.
Proverbs 3:6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight.
Isaiah 42:16 "I will lead the blind by a way they do not know, In paths they do not know I will guide them. I will make darkness into light before them And rugged places into plains. These are the things I will do, And I will not leave them undone."

 

[Mahalialee4]

PRECEPTS

Here are some clues:

Job 33:14 "Indeed God speaks once, Or twice, yet NO ONE NOTICES IT".

The disciples wanted to know what would happen.
Daniel wanted to know what would happen.
Paul used the 'precept' of what happened in the wilderness with our forefathers.
1 Corinthians 10: 1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was CHRIST. 5But with MANY OF THEM God was not well pleased: for they were OVERTHROWN in the wilderness. ..

((Paul stated that THEY WERE OUR EXAMPLES))

"6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, UPON WHOM THE ENDS OF THE WORLD ARE COME. 12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.


Many believers profess that they think the END IS COMING SOON. That CHRIST IS COMING SOON...but do they REALLY believe what was said about what it would be like when that happens? Some say: I can't wait! The Scriptures tell us to 'PRAY THAT WE MAY ESCAPE THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING UPON THE INHABITED EARTH.'

Luke 21::34And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so THAT DAY come upon you unawares. 35For AS A SNARE SHALL IT COME ON ...'ALL THEM'... THAT DWELL ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH. 36Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, that YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS THAT SHALL COME TO PASS, AND TO STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN."

You are asking for a man made chart! a CHART IS A GUIDE...TO GIVE A CLEAR PICTURE.
Is there a better one than the Scriptures, and the Words of Christ and the Spirit of Truth? They are the only guaranteed guide.

Here are some clues:

Job 33:14 "Indeed God speaks once, Or twice, yet no one notices it.


Jeremiah 30:7 'Alas! for that day is great, THERE IS NONE LIKE IT ; And IT IS THE TIME OF JACOB’S DISTRESS, But he will be saved from it.


DANIEL 12:1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to THE TIME OF THE END: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased....9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till THE TIME OF THE END. 10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Luke 21: 25And there shall be SIGNS IN THE SUN, AND IN THE MOON, AND IN THE STARS; and UPON THE EARTH DISTRESS OF NATIONS, WITH PERPLEXITY; the sea and the waves roaring; 26MEN'S HEARTS FAILING THEM FOR FEAR, AND FOR LOOKING AFTER THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE COMING ON THE EARTH: for THE POWERS OF THE HEAVENS SHALL BE SHAKEN. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

REPEATED FOR EMPHASIS:
Luke 21::34And take heed to YOURSELVES , lest AT ANY TIME YOUR HEARTS BE OVERCHARGED with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and CARES OF THIS LIFE, and so THAT DAY come upon you unawares. 35For as a SNARE shall it come on ALL THEM THAT DWELL ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH. 36WATCH YE THEREFORE , and PRAY ALWAYS,ays, that ye may be accounted WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that SHALL COME TO PASS, , and TO STAND before the Son of man.

Matthew 24:21 "For then there will be A GREAT TRIBULATION, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will
Matthew 24: 22 “And except those days should be shortened,... there should no flesh be saved: but ....for the elect's sake those days SHALL BE SHORTENED.


Mark 13:19 "For those days will be A TIME OF TRIBULATION such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
Mark 13:20 : “... And except the Lord had shortened those days, NO FLESH would be saved: but..... for the ELECT’S SAKE, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. ...

NOTE what happens after the Tribulation of those days.....

MATTHEW 24:29 "IMMEDIATELY 'AFTER' THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And HE SHALL SEND HIS ANGELS WITH A GREAT SOUND OF A TRUMPHET, and .....THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER."

Revelation 7:9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? ... 14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "THESE ARE THE ONES WHO COME 'OUT OF' THE GREAT TRIBULATION, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.


14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "THESE ARE THE ONES WHO COME 'OUT OF' THE GREAT TRIBULATION, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

precept: Ezekiel 37:27 "{{My dwelling place also will be with THEM; and I will be their God, and they will be MY PEOPLE.}}

REVELATION 3: 12 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, {{WHICH COMES DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN}} FROM MY GOD, and My new name.'
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REVELATION 21: 1And I saw a NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw THE HOLY CITY, NEW JERUSALEM,{{ COMING DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN,}} prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I HEARD A GREAT VOICE OUT OF HEAVEN SAYING {{Behold, THE TABLERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, and HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM}}, and they SHALL BE HIS PEOPLE, and GOD HIMSELF SHALL BE WITH THEM, AND BE THERE GOD. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (REMEMBER THE PRECEPT?...the EARTHLY TABERNACLE IN the wilderness?)

Ezekiel 37:27 "My dwelling place also {{WILL BE WITH THEM}}; and I will be their God, and {{THEY WILL BE MY PEOPLE."}}... SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL ENDING
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Hope these scriptures are helpful. I am not interpreting them, but offering them for you to prayerfully consider.

If His chosen ones are GATHERED 'IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION'.....which CHOSEN ones or Elect are LEFT BEHIND? Which SCRIPTURES support the Left Behind Doctrine in the light of what you just read? Is God careless? (smile)
Now where are the Scriptures that support the 'left behind' Doctrine?

 

[Poohbear]

Revelation 13

1And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.

The Beast out of the Sea

And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 4Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"
5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 6He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

9He who has an ear, let him hear.
10If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

The Beast out of the Earth

11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Revelation 14
The Lamb and the 144,000

1Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

The Three Angels

6Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."
8A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."

9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on."
"Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them."

The Harvest of the Earth

14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.
17Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe." 19The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. 20They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

Revelation 15
Seven Angels with Seven Plagues

1I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God's wrath is completed. 2And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name. They held harps given them by God 3and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb:
"Great and marvelous are your deeds,
Lord God Almighty.
Just and true are your ways,
King of the ages.
4Who will not fear you, O Lord,
and bring glory to your name?
For you alone are holy.
All nations will come
and worship before you,
for your righteous acts have been revealed."
5After this I looked and in heaven the temple, that is, the tabernacle of the Testimony, was opened. 6Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests. 7Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever. 8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

 

[Poohbear]

Revelation 16
The Seven Bowls of God's Wrath

1Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go, pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth." 2The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.
3The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.

4The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. 5Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:
"You are just in these judgments, you who are and who were, the Holy One, because you have so judged;
6for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve."

7And I heard the altar respond:
"Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgments."

8The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire. 9They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

10The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. Men gnawed their tongues in agony 11and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

12The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13Then I saw three evil[a] spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

15"Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed."

16Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

17The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!" 18Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

Revelation 17
The Woman and the Beast

1One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. 2With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries."
3Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5This title was written on her forehead:
MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7Then the angel said to me: "Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

9"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."

15Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. 18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 18

1After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2With a mighty voice he shouted:
"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
She has become a home for demons
and a haunt for every evil spirit,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
3For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."

4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
"Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
6Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Mix her a double portion from her own cup.
7Give her as much torture and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
'I sit as queen; I am not a widow,
and I will never mourn.'
8Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

9"When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
" 'Woe! Woe, O great city,
O Babylon, city of power!
In one hour your doom has come!'

11"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more— 12cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men.

14"They will say, 'The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.' 15The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16and cry out:
" 'Woe! Woe, O great city,
dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet,
and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!
17In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!'

"Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, 'Was there ever a city like this great city?' 19They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out:
" 'Woe! Woe, O great city,
where all who had ships on the sea
became rich through her wealth!
In one hour she has been brought to ruin!
20Rejoice over her, O heaven!
Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets!
God has judged her for the way she treated you.' "

21Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
"With such violence
the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
never to be found again.
22The music of harpists and musicians, flute players and trumpeters,
will never be heard in you again.
No workman of any trade
will ever be found in you again.
The sound of a millstone
will never be heard in you again.
23The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride
will never be heard in you again.
Your merchants were the world's great men.
By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
24In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,
and of all who have been killed on the earth."

 

[Poohbear]

Revelation 19
Hallelujah!

1After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:
"Hallelujah!
Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
2for true and just are his judgments.
He has condemned the great prostitute
who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants." 3And again they shouted:
"Hallelujah!
The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever."
4The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried:
"Amen, Hallelujah!"

5Then a voice came from the throne, saying:
"Praise our God,
all you his servants,
you who fear him,
both small and great!"

6Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:
"Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
7Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)

9Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' " And he added, "These are the true words of God."

10At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

The Rider on the White Horse

11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."[c] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
17And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great."

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Revelation 20
The Thousand Years

1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Satan's Doom

7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Dead Are Judged

11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[Poohbear]

Revelation 21
The New Jerusalem

1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
5He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."

6He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[d]in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17He measured its wall and it was 144 cubits[e] thick,[f] by man's measurement, which the angel was using. 18The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[g] 21The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass.

22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 22
The River of Life

1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. 6The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place."

Jesus Is Coming

7"Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book."
8I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"

10Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near. 11Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

12"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[h] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

17The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.

18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.

 

[Guitarhero]

IMHO, the obvious difficulty in preferring a private revelation of scripture as opposed to your denominational accepted translation is that, rather than having a magisterum of sorts to interpret according to wide acceptance (prayer, study, the Holy Spirit), there is an even greater chance of error in the individual interpretation. We simply were not meant to walk this road alone. Does that mean that I can't read the scriptures and understand them? No, but it does mean that I am meant to comprehend them within a christian community of faith. The precedent was given before Christ. He didn't change that, but He fulfilled it. Just my .02

 

[taytay86]

If His chosen ones are GATHERED 'IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION'.....which CHOSEN ones or Elect are LEFT BEHIND? Which SCRIPTURES support the Left Behind Doctrine in the light of what you just read? Is God careless? (smile)
Now where are the Scriptures that support the 'left behind' Doctrine?

Beautiful Wow AMEN. So my main question is answered. Christians WILL go through the great tribulation - so why are there so many people teaching rapture before the tribulation? Is it so Christians will loose hope? I'm still confused as to when the rapture will take place? Are we to be raptured up after the great tribulation, before the fight between Jesus and Satan, where Satan will be bound once and for all? Can you please provide some scriptures on this....or maybe I missed it

The Left Behind Theory (movies etc.) promotes rapture before the tribulation. And also those who go through it will be hell bound. What about this whole Mark of the Beast? Will this happen during the tribulation?

There's some pieces missing in my mind - when will the final judgement take place? How long with the tribulation last? 7 years? 3 years? Jesus will only return once, and that is after the tribulation, as per the scriptures provided.

Also, what about the scripture that says only a couple thousand will actually go to Heaven (I believe the number was 144 thousand). Should I be taking this "line for line" as well?

I would love some more scriptures to clarify/answer the multitude of questions I now have, since what I've been taught all along is wrong.

I really appreciate your time and effort in all of this.

 

[taytay86]

There's so much to read! PoorBear, I will get to yours Thank you Thank you

 

[Mahalialee4]

Revelation 13

1And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.

The Beast out of the Sea

And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 4Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"
5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 6He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

9He who has an ear, let him hear.
10If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

The Beast out of the Earth

11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Revelation 14
The Lamb and the 144,000

1Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

The Three Angels

6Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."
8A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."

9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on."
"Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them."

The Harvest of the Earth

14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.
17Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe." 19The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. 20They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

Revelation 15
Seven Angels with Seven Plagues

1I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God's wrath is completed. 2And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name. They held harps given them by God 3and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb:
"Great and marvelous are your deeds,
Lord God Almighty.
Just and true are your ways,
King of the ages.
4Who will not fear you, O Lord,
and bring glory to your name?
For you alone are holy.
All nations will come
and worship before you,
for your righteous acts have been revealed."
5After this I looked and in heaven the temple, that is, the tabernacle of the Testimony, was opened. 6Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests. 7Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever. 8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

Refer your post, this portion: Thank you for posting this.
"9He who has an ear, let him hear.
10If anyone is to go INTO CAPTIVITY,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is TO BE KILLED WITH THE SWORD,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for PATIENT ENDURANCE ON THE PART OF THE SAINTS."

A PRECEPT:
"He who ENDURES to the END will be SAVED"

NO ONE GETS A FREE PASS! 'ENDURANCE' IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA

Matthew 10:22 "All men will hate you because of me, but he who ... ... And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved. ..."


Mark 13:13 "All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands ... ... You will be hated by all men for my name's sake, but he whoendures to the end, the same will be saved." ...



Matthew 24:13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. ... "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. ... But he who endures to the end, the same will be saved.

 

[Mahalialee4]

Beautiful Wow AMEN. So my main question is answered. Christians WILL go through the great tribulation - so why are there so many people teaching rapture before the tribulation? Is it so Christians will loose hope? I'm still confused as to when the rapture will take place? Are we to be raptured up after the great tribulation, before the fight between Jesus and Satan, where Satan will be bound once and for all? Can you please provide some scriptures on this....or maybe I missed it

The Left Behind Theory (movies etc.) promotes rapture before the tribulation. And also those who go through it will be hell bound. What about this whole Mark of the Beast? Will this happen during the tribulation?

There's some pieces missing in my mind - when will the final judgement take place? How long with the tribulation last? 7 years? 3 years? Jesus will only return once, and that is after the tribulation, as per the scriptures provided.

Also, what about the scripture that says only a couple thousand will actually go to Heaven (I believe the number was like 60 or 155 thousand). Should I be taking this "line for line" as well?

I would love some more scriptures to clarify/answer the multitude of questions I now have, since what I've been taught all along is wrong.

I really appreciate your time and effort in all of this.

I will answer your questions in sections: Your Quote: {so why are there so many people teaching rapture before the tribulation? Is it so Christians will loose hope?}

Answer: This would be helpful to you: Try Putting ‘religion’ and What “They say” aside for a moment: and just accepting the Word for what it itself speaks:

The Hope of God’s PEOPLE: First: Regarding those who have died:

# 1. In Revelation is found the REALIZATION OF THE HOPE OF THE TEN TRIBES; THE HOPE OF ISRAEL
# 2. There will be two resurrections…A First and A Second Occurring at different time frames
# 3. Here is where you either believe the Scripture, Christ or get caught up in the confusion of men WHO CLAIM TO KNOW MORE THAN WHAT JESUS SAID, AND WHAT HIS APOSTLES SAID.

Precepts: Very clear and straightforward:

JESUS said: John 5: 28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which ‘ALL THAT ARE IN THE GRAVES’ SHALL HEAR HIS VOICE, 29And SHALL COME FORTH; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation….HEAR HIM!
John 5:28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
Martha, the brother of Lazarus believed in the resurrection of the dead: John 11:24 Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again IN THE RESURRECTION ON THE LAST DAY."

PAUL SAID: Acts 24:15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall CERTAINLY BE A RESURRECTION OF ‘BOTH THE RIGHTEOUS….AND THE WICKED.
Philippians 3: 10That I may know HIM, and THE POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION, and THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERINGS, BEING MADE CONFORMABLE UNTO HIS DEATH; 11If BY ANY MEANS I MIGHT ATTAIN UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.
Acts 26:7 “UNTO WHICH PROMISE OUR TWELVE TRIBES, INSTANTLY SERVING GOD DAY AND NIGHT, HOPE TO COME.. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews”
Acts 28:20 "For this reason, therefore, I requested to see you and to speak with you, for I am wearing this chain FOR THE SAKE OF THE HOPE OF ISRAEL.
Who was James writing to?
James 1:1 James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, ‘TO THE TWELVE TRIBES WHO ARE DISPERSED ABROAD’: Greetings

 

[Mahalialee4]

I am aware that there is a 'RAPTURE DOCTRINE', and where it originated from.
What I can refer you to is WHAT CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES TAUGHT:

A vast numbers of religions and denominations do teach their various theories using the word "rapture' to describe their DOCTRINE: It is unfortunate that they do not teach the great truths about this.

# 1. RESURRECTION
What About the Living Saints? Those who May Die before The Coming Of Christ? How are they affected by the Resurrection?
Precepts:
Hebrews 11:13 ALL THESE DIED IN FAITH, WITHOUT RECEIVING THE PROMISES, but HAVING SEEN THEM AND HAVING WELCOMED THEM FROM A DISTANCE, and HAVING CONFESSED THAT THEY WERE STRANGERS AND EXILES ON THE EARTH.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say to BY THE WORD OF THE, that WE WHO ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD, WILL NOT precede THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP.
1 Thessalonians 5:10 “Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him
Romans 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
2 Corinthians 5:6 “Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
Romans 14:9 “For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be LORD BOTH OF DEAD AND OF THE LIVING.”
Luke 20:38 "Now He is not the God of the dead but of the living; for all live to Him."
Revelation 14:13 And I heard A VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAYING, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are THE DEAD WHO DIE IN THE LORD from now on!'" "Yes," SAYS THE SPIRIT, "so that they MAY REST FROM THEIR LABOURS, FOR THEIR DEEDS FOLLOW THEM."
John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 15:50 “Now this I say, brethren, that FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 12Now IF CHRIST BE PREACHED THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, HOW CAN SOME SAY THAT THERE IS NO RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD?
13But IF THERE IS NO RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD THEN IS CHRIST NOT RISEN: 14And IF CHRIST BE NOT RISEN, THEN OUR PREACHING VAIN., AND YOUR FAITH IS ALSO
. 15Yea, and WE ARE FOUND FALSE WITNESSES OF GOD, BECAUSE WE HAVE TESTIFIED OF GOD THAT HE RAISED UP CHRIST : WHOM HE RAISED NOT UP IF SO BE THAT THE DEAD RISE NOT.
16 FOR IF THE DEAD RISE NOT, THEN IS NOT CHRIST RAISED.: 17And if Christ be not raised, YOUR FAITH IS VAIN; ye are YET IN YOUR SINS. 18 THEN THEY ALSO WHICH ARE FALLEN ASLEEP IN CHRIST ARE PERISHED. 19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable…

 

[Mahalialee4]

What About the Living Saints? Those who May Die before The Coming Of Christ? How are they affected by the Resurrection?
Precepts:
Hebrews 11:13 ALL THESE DIED IN FAITH, WITHOUT RECEIVING THE PROMISES, but HAVING SEEN THEM AND HAVING WELCOMED THEM FROM A DISTANCE, and HAVING CONFESSED THAT THEY WERE STRANGERS AND EXILES ON THE EARTH.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say to BY THE WORD OF THE, that WE WHO ‘ARE ALIVE’ ‘AND REMAIN ‘UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD’, WILL ‘NOT’ precede THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP.
“Precede
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then ‘WE WHO ARE ALIVE’ AND ‘REMAIN’ ‘WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER’ ‘WITH THEM’ IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR, and so we shall always

Noah Webster's New International Dictionary of the English Language
*Precede: 1. (v. t.) To go before in order of time; to occur first with relation to anything.
2. (v. t.) To go before in place, rank, or importance.
3. (v. t.) To cause to be preceded; to preface; to introduce; -- used with by or with before the instrumental object.

So if the Scriptures say that "we who are 'ALIVE'...WILL ((NOT PRECEDE))....OR GO BEFORE THOSE WHO ARE WAITING THE FIRST RESURRECTION....AND THAT WE WILL BE 'CAUGHT UP ((TOGETHER 'WITH THEM'))...AND THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN AT (((THE LAST TRUMP)))...Has the (((LAST TRUMPET))) BLOWN YET?


Paul said: Romans 7:24 “Wretched man that I am! WHO WILL SET ME FREE FROM THE BODY OF THIS DEATH?”

Corinthians 15:51Behold, I SHEW YOU A MYSTERY; WE SHALL NOT ALL SLEEP, BUT WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED, IN A MOMENT, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, (((((AT THE LAST TRUMP)))); (((FOR THE TRUMPHET SHALL SOUND))), and (((THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE))), AND (((WE SHALL BE CHANGED))). 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and THIS MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 THE STING OF DEATH IS SIN; and THE STRENGTH OF SIN IS THE LAW. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that YOUR LABOUR is not in vain in the Lord.

 

[Mahalialee4]

Remember the Precept: “For God is a God of Order”
1 Corinthians 6:14 Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.
1 Corinthians 15:20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
Therefore: The Order of Resurrection: CHRIST, THE FIRSTFRUITS
1.1 Corinthians 15:20 “ But now Christ has been raised from the dead, THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THOSE WHO ARE ASLEEP….
Precepts:
Jeremiah 2:3 ISRAEL was holiness unto the LORD, and THE FIRSTFRUITS of his increase: all that devour him shall offend; evil shall come upon them, saith the LORD.
Revelation 14:4 “These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being THE FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb.”


1 Corinthians 15:23 “But EVERY MAN IN HIS ‘OWN ORDER: CHRIST THE FIRSTFRUITS;”…
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, THE FIRSTBORN OF THE DEAD, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—
2. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and THE DEAD IN CHRIST will rise first.
Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb ...
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with
him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads ...

Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed ...
Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 FROM ALL THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL. ... I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000
(((6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. )))


So “who is left behind to teach unrepentant Israel when Israel’s number is all sealed and they are standing on Mount Zion with the Lamb of God?”

NEXT:

(((((AFTERWARD))), (((((THEY THAT ARE ‘CHRIST’S’))) ((( AT HIS COMING”)))…

NEXT:
3. THE REST OF THE DEAD
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


When are the REST OF THE DEAD RAISED? "5But the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED. "

So just sticking to THE WORD ITSELF: Be blessed.

 

[Mahalialee4]

As to 'DOCTRINAL DEBATES' and 'theories' and philosphies of men, to suit their particular doctrines I find it beneficial to stay clear, and I take the warning of Christ very SERIOUSLY that HE gives in the Book of Revelation.

If He didn't say it: Then I don't know it. The precepts in the Word, (what was written before) to gain understanding of what was written later ...line upon line precept upon precept... always happy to share the Word as is, anytime.

Revelation 22:16"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall ADD unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

 

[Mahalialee4]

When there is no specific answer in the Scripture other than what is already written there I recommend Paul's advice. E.G. Regarding the length of the 'tribulation' there is much wrangling over what is there and some have made WHOLE DOCTRINES OUT OF IT.

1 Timothy 1:
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
2Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
3As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach NO OTHER DOCTRINE, 4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, WHICH MINISTER QUESTIONS, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6From which some having SWERVED have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
2 Timothy 2:14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers.
1 Timothy 6: 3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; “He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,...

As regards the when of things: Look at the precepts, the prophecies, the context of the prophecy and the time frame of other events...the Scripture is very revealing. One thing you will see is that the references to Mark of the Beast occurs before he is thrown into the Lake of Fire along with the False Prophet; during a time when the Beast is 'making war on the saints.' and during a time of GREAT MASS DECEPTION. Daniel 11 and 12 may help you as well as Revelation 12:17; Revelations Chapter 13 AND CHAPTER 14..IT IS IN THE TIME OF THE END...search the Scriptures.

You should be 'good to go!'

 

[Mahalialee4]

JUDGEMENT
31WHEN THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME IN HIS GLORY, and ALL THE HOLY ANGELS WITH HIM, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered ALL NATIONS nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, INHERIT THE KINGDOM PREPARED FOR YOU FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: but the RIGHTEOUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL.

 

[Mahalialee4]

THE TIME FRAME OF JUDGEMENT
Judgement: Here is where it ... STARTS:
1 Peter 4:17 “For the time is come that JUDGEMENT 'MUST BEGIN AT THE HOUSE OF GOD': and if it 'FIRST BEGIN AT US', what shall THE END of them THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF GOD?
1 Peter 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ
Hebrews 3:6 but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house-- whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.
2 Thessalonians 1:8 dealing out RETRIBUTION who DO NOT KNOW God and TO THOSE WHO DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS.

precept:

Jeremiah 25:29 "For behold, I am beginning to work calamity in this city WHICH IS CALLED BY MY NAME, and shall you be completely free from punishment? You will not be free from punishment; for I am summoning a sword against all the inhabitants of the earth," declares the LORD of hosts.'

 

[Mahalialee4]

SINGLED OUT FOR HEAVIER JUDGEMENT BY THE APOSTLE:
1 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who PRIVILIY SHALL BRING IN DAMNABLE HERESIES, even DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, and BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.


SINGLED OUT FOR HEAVIER JUDGEMENTS BY CHRIST:
Luke 11:43 "Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the chief seats in the synagogues and the respectful greetings in the market places.
Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8But BE NOT YE CALLED RABBI, one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9And CALL NO MAN YOUR FATHER: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called MASTERS: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be ABASED; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore YE SHALL RECEIVE THE GREATER DAMNATION..
15 'WOE unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make ONE PROSELYTE', and WHEN HE IS MADE, YE MAKE HIM TWOFOLD MORE THE CHILD OF HELL THAN YOURSELVES. "
1 Timothy 1:7 wanting to be TEACHERS OF THE LAW, EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND EITHER WHAT THEY ARE SAYING OR THE MATTERS ABOUT WHICH THEY MAKE CONFIDENT ASSERTIONS."

 

[Mahalialee4]

WHY IS KNOWING AND BELIEVING THE WORD SO CRITICAL? because of MASS DECEPTION

Mark 13:6 “For MANY SHALL COME IN MY NAME saying I am Christ; and shall DECEIVE MANY”
Luke 21:8 And He said, "See to it that you are not misled; for many will come IN MY NAME, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not go after them

PRECEPTS:
Micah 3:11 Her leaders pronounce judgment for a bribe, Her priests instruct for a price And her prophets divine for money. Yet they lean on the LORD saying, "Is not the LORD in our midst? Calamity will not come upon us."
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore My people go into exile for their lack of knowledge; And their honorable men are famished, And their multitude is parched with thirst.
Jeremiah 10:21 For the shepherds have become stupid And have not sought the LORD; Therefore they have not prospered, And all their flock is scattered.
Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD
Jeremiah 50:6 "My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. They have made them turn aside on the mountains; They have gone along from mountain to hill And have forgotten their resting place.
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore My people go into exile for their lack of knowledge; And their honorable men are famished, And their multitude is parched with thirst.
Zechariah 11:17 "Woe to the worthless shepherd Who leaves the flock! A sword will be on his arm And on his right eye! His arm will be totally withered And his right eye will be blind."
Ezekiel 13:3 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Woe to the foolish prophets who are following their own spirit and have seen nothing.
Ezekiel 34:2 "Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel. Prophesy and say to those shepherds, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Woe, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flock?
Hosea 8:1 Put the trumpet to your lips! Like an eagle the enemy comes against the house of the LORD, Because they have transgressed My covenant And rebelled against My law.
Hosea 8:12 Though I wrote for him ten thousand precepts of My law, They are regarded as a strange thing.
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hebrews: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Malachi 2:7 "For the lips of a priest should preserve knowledge, and men should seek INSTRUCTION from his mouth; for he is the MESSENGER of the LORD of hosts.
Malachi 2:8 "But as for you, YOU HAVE TURNED ASIDE FROM 'THE WAY'...you have turned aside from the way; you have caused many TO STUMBLE BY THE INSTRUCTION; you have CORRUPTED the covenant of Levi," says the LORD of hosts.
Matthew 24:23 "Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him

Luke 21:8 And He said, "See to it that you are not MISLED; for MANY WILL COME, IN MY NAME, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not go after them.

They will be , TEACHING, PREACHING ...."JESUS" .... "Christ"...coming in HIS NAME! We will not be MISLED if they come in the name of 'Buddah' OR THE NAME OF SOME OTHER GOD!!!

 

[Mahalialee4]

Some will choose their 'favorite doctrinal views' over the Word of God and Christ's Doctrine.


JESUS SAID:

Luke 13:24 "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for MANY, I TELL YOU, will SEEK to enter and WILL NOT BE ABLE"


Matthew 7: 13"Enter ye in at THE STRAIT GATE: for wide is the gate, and BROAD IS THE GATE AND WIDE IS THE WAY, that leadeth tTO DESTRUCTION, and MANY there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it. "
15Beware of FALSE PROPHETS, which come to you IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING, but inwardly they are 'ravening wolves.' (HUNGRY wolves wanting to get fed) 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not EVERY ONE that saith unto me, LORD, LORD, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in heaven. 22MANY will say to me in that day, LORD, LORD, have we not prophesied IN THY NAME? and IN THY NAME have cast out devils? and IN THY NAME done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever HEARETH THESE SAYING OF MINE of mine, and DOETH THEM, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that HEARETH THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, AND DOTH THEM NOT, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and GREAT WAS THE FALL OF IT...

So there is the choice: The Doctrine of Christ or the Doctrine of Man. Jesus summed it up.

28 "And it came to pass, when JESUS HAD ENDED THESE SAYINGS, the people were ASTONISHED AT (((HIS DOCTRINE))) 29For HE TAUGHT THEM AS ONE HAVING AUTHORITY, and NOT AS THE SCRIBES".

 

[taytay86]

What About the Living Saints? Those who May Die before The Coming Of Christ? How are they affected by the Resurrection?
Precepts:
Hebrews 11:13 ALL THESE DIED IN FAITH, WITHOUT RECEIVING THE PROMISES, but HAVING SEEN THEM AND HAVING WELCOMED THEM FROM A DISTANCE, and HAVING CONFESSED THAT THEY WERE STRANGERS AND EXILES ON THE EARTH.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say to BY THE WORD OF THE, that WE WHO ‘ARE ALIVE’ ‘AND REMAIN ‘UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD’, WILL ‘NOT’ precede THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP.
“Precede
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then ‘WE WHO ARE ALIVE’ AND ‘REMAIN’ ‘WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER’ ‘WITH THEM’ IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR, and so we shall always

Isn't this the rapture?? Caught up in the clouds - changing from mortal to immortal.

When does this take place?

So if the Scriptures say that "we who are 'ALIVE'...WILL ((NOT PRECEDE))....OR GO BEFORE THOSE WHO ARE WAITING THE FIRST RESURRECTION....AND THAT WE WILL BE 'CAUGHT UP ((TOGETHER 'WITH THEM'))...AND THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN AT (((THE LAST TRUMP)))...Has the (((LAST TRUMPET))) BLOWN YET?

When will the last trumpet blow? At the end of the tribulation, when Jesus comes back?


Paul said: Romans 7:24 “Wretched man that I am! WHO WILL SET ME FREE FROM THE BODY OF THIS DEATH?”

Corinthians 15:51Behold, I SHEW YOU A MYSTERY; WE SHALL NOT ALL SLEEP, BUT WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED, IN A MOMENT, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, (((((AT THE LAST TRUMP)))); (((FOR THE TRUMPHET SHALL SOUND))), and (((THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE))), AND (((WE SHALL BE CHANGED))). 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and THIS MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 THE STING OF DEATH IS SIN; and THE STRENGTH OF SIN IS THE LAW. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that YOUR LABOUR is not in vain in the Lord.

My questions are below the bolded in red italics.

 

[taytay86]

When there is no specific answer in the Scripture other than what is already written there I recommend Paul's advice. E.G. Regarding the length of the 'tribulation' there is much wrangling over what is there and some have made WHOLE DOCTRINES OUT OF IT.

1 Timothy 1:
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
2Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
3As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach NO OTHER DOCTRINE, 4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, WHICH MINISTER QUESTIONS, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6From which some having SWERVED have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
2 Timothy 2:14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers.
1 Timothy 6: 3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; “He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,...

As regards the when of things: Look at the precepts, the prophecies, the context of the prophecy and the time frame of other events...the Scripture is very revealing. One thing you will see is that the references to Mark of the Beast occurs before he is thrown into the Lake of Fire along with the False Prophet; during a time when the Beast is 'making war on the saints.' and during a time of GREAT MASS DECEPTION. Daniel 11 and 12 may help you as well as Revelation 12:17; Revelations Chapter 13 AND CHAPTER 14..IT IS IN THE TIME OF THE END...search the Scriptures.

You should be 'good to go!'

Could it not be argued that this is happening right now? All these signs the Bible tells us to look out for, wars, earthquakes etc. These are all happening now - but I think, we will all be affected by this, no? I've never experienced war, earthquakes etc. here in Canada, but perhaps when we all start to experience this, it will be during the great tribulation. I don't agree that we are in the tribulation period now as some would say, because as I agree what's going on in the world is bad - it hasn't become unimaginable...

 

[taytay86]

Remember the Precept: “For God is a God or Order”
1 Corinthians 6:14 Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.
1 Corinthians 15:20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
Therefore: The Order of Resurrection: CHRIST, THE FIRSTFRUITS
1 1 Corinthians 15:20 “ But now Christ has been raised from the dead, THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THOSE WHO ARE ASLEEP….
Precepts:
Jeremiah 2:3 ISRAEL was holiness unto the LORD, and THE FIRSTFRUITS of his increase: all that devour him shall offend; evil shall come upon them, saith the LORD.
Revelation 14:4 “These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being THE FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb.”

2
3 1 Corinthians 15:23 “But EVERY MAN IN HIS ‘OWN ORDER: CHRIST THE FIRSTFRUITS;”…
4 Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, THE FIRSTBORN OF THE DEAD, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—
5 1 Thessalonians 4:16 “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and THE DEAD IN CHRIST will rise first.
Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb ...
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with
him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads ...

Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed ...
Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 FROM ALL THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL. ... I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000

So this number only refers to the tribe of isreal - are any of the people living today apart of the tribe of isreal? How do we know? Since this refers to the tribe of isreal, this means that more than 144,000 will go to Heaven then?

(((6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. )))


So “who is left behind to teach unrepentant Israel when Israel’s number is all sealed and they are standing on Mount Zion with the Lamb of God?”

NEXT:

6 (((((AFTERWARD))), (((((THEY THAT ARE ‘CHRIST’S’))) ((( AT HIS COMING”)))…

NEXT:
7 THE REST OF THE DEAD
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


When are the REST OF THE DEAD RAISED? "5But the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED.

So just sticking to THE WORD ITSELF: Be blessed.

This confuses me - the rest of the dead? If this is refering to the dead in Christ, I thought after the tribulation and after the trumpet the dead will rise first, and then the living will be caught up in the clouds....erplexed

This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Why does the second death not have any power? Does the second death refer to the Christians to are alive now, who will die later?

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

The thousand years begins after the tribulation? Is this the same thousand years in which the dead will be raised again?

 

[Sharpened]

May Our Father place a blessing upon the reading of His Words. For in truth and love, they are inspired by Him and given. Amen.

 

[Mahalialee4]

This confuses me - the rest of the dead? If this is refering to the dead in Christ, I thought after the tribulation and after the trumpet the dead will rise first, and then the living will be caught up in the clouds....erplexed

So far you have read about the 'resurrection of the righteous, right?

The 'unrighteous dead' will also be resurrected......shocking to many because some already have people 'in heaven' or 'burning' in hell......MEANING....NO RESURRECTION...NO JUDGEMENT
Again, we have to make a choice on WHO we are going to believe. The Scriptures or man.

Eccl: 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."


Daniel 12:2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
Acts 23:6 But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, Paul began crying out in the Council, "Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!"

Acts 24: 15 “And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the JUST and UNJUST.”

Again: Revelation 7:12
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.