Sally.
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Thank you for this! I was wondering why folks had to still shampoo when these Ayurveda powders have deep cleansing properties and now I know it’s because we add oils and other ingredients to limit the drying effects.
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Sally.
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Thanks! I’m gonna go with cassia. Where do you get yours from? I went to another Indian store today and the guy acted like he had never heard of it!
Sally.
Well-Known Member
This whole Ayurveda thing is really about to be a complete lifestyle change for me since I was recently diagnosed with Candida and other hormone issues. Today, while I was in Whole Foods looking for Slippery Elm and Marshmallow Root, the lady who worked in the supplements section directed me to an herb shop in my city. Oh my gawd. I spent 2 hours in that herb shop learning about Ayurveda herbs for internal health. I had no clue the slippery elm was extremely good for digestive health. I bought the slippery elm, marshmallow root, burdock root, and one more herb I can’t remember at the moment but its been proven to help clear Candida. I’ve been reading up on the effects of these herbs and I’m so surprised we still use drugs to treat so many internal ailments when plants serve as excellent medicinal sources.
I don’t know if this board is gonna be the death of me or the health of me. Because between all the Ayurveda powers, Whole Foods oils, and other ingredients for these tonics, plus the medicinal herbs I got, I dropped at least a good $300 today when I was only planning to spent only $100. And I still don’t have everything I need. I have to online order the African black soap, aloe Vera powder, and makabhereraj powder.
I don’t know if this board is gonna be the death of me or the health of me. Because between all the Ayurveda powers, Whole Foods oils, and other ingredients for these tonics, plus the medicinal herbs I got, I dropped at least a good $300 today when I was only planning to spent only $100. And I still don’t have everything I need. I have to online order the African black soap, aloe Vera powder, and makabhereraj powder.
kxlot79
Kitchen Mixtress
Shampoo also helps some ladies get the powders out of the hair. Some have the itchies with powder touching their skin. Some just don’t like leaving a trail of “crumbs” whenever they turn their heads lol
kxlot79
Kitchen Mixtress
Most drug companies actually source from plants, analyze their composition, determine the active ingredient(s), then come up with a synthetic equivalent in their laboratory, put it in capsule and charge you 10-100X the amount of the plant itself.
Honey Bee
Well-Known Member
Cassia is sometimes called 'neutral henna' or senna, iirc.
Chicoro
8 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
I wonder if they use a spectroscope to do that.
kxlot79
Kitchen Mixtress
So for those of you who may be interested in developing/improving clay washes, Green Beauty on YouTube recently posted a comparison video on 3 of the most popular clays. Some food for thought! I have been experimenting with combinations for the highest efficacy in one wash. And allowing the Ayurvedic element to be the liquid (a tea usually) and/or oil.
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Soaring Eagle
Singin’ the praises of the baggy method
Very informative!
kxlot79
Kitchen Mixtress
Hmm... I’ve only used a spectroscope in physics for light and prisms. But maybe!
I should’ve pursued chemistry to the higher levels but alas I was a lazy student.
The methods I’m most familiar with are isolation, distillation, and solvent extraction.
I mean, morphine goes way back to 1826, if you can believe it. While Bayer mass produced aspirin in 1899.
Some things are genuinely improved with mass production, but many things are not. I mean, if nature meant for us to consume 80+ grams of sugar a day (as the average American), would the average serving of fruit have less than 20g?? Lol
Most drugs are quite a lot more potent than their source components.
Circling back to hair, I almost feel like people have generally better results with natural treatments than commercial ones as there seems to be a wider margin for error. Whereas commercial products are so strong... it’s a lot easier to go overboard with something. Like tea spritzes for strengthening or growth versus a commercial product with a much longer list of side effects...
Some interesting related links:
http://scitechconnect.elsevier.com/plant-to-pill-turn-plant-medicine/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3560124/
http://www.springer.com/cda/content...0746003-c1.pdf?SGWID=0-0-45-494876-p173755412
Chicoro
8 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
Hmm... I’ve only used a spectroscope in physics for light and prisms. But maybe!
I was trying to be fancy, needlessly! There's something called Fourier Transform Infrared (FTI) Spectroscopy . "This imaging has been used to visualize the drug excipient distribution in pharmaceutical formulations such as tablets." Thus, this comes into use after the titration type analysis you mentioned up thread. It's used to determine how the drug impacts the person. I thought it dealt with the identification and the analyses of the active ingredients in the plant, itself. I was wrong.
spacetygrss
Well-Known Member
Nice!
I literally just made my first batch of Rhassoul clay wash bars this morning. I might venture into adding other clays in the future. Good info to have. Thanks!
CarefreeinChicago
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Very interesting thanks
Aggie
Well-Known Member
@Sally.
This ebook will also help you learn about henna application if you are interested:
http://www.hennaforhair.com/freebooks/hennaforhair.pdf
Sally.
Well-Known Member
I tried CPs henna gloss treatment last night and it didn’t seem to reduce my shedding at all. I also tried her strengthening tea rinse which didn’t seem to give any effect either. I might try naptural85s green tea method since our hair textures are similar.
And can I say CurlyProverbz videos are so annoying. I’m not sure if she’s dense or what but none of her videos contain the pertinent info. Her henna gloss treatment never said how long she left it on for. Neither did the cassia gloss treatment. There are some other things she does that I think are annoying so I may stop following her in terms of learning more Ayurveda Hair practices. It takes too much time to wade through her nonsense and I don’t wanna give her any more views.
And can I say CurlyProverbz videos are so annoying. I’m not sure if she’s dense or what but none of her videos contain the pertinent info. Her henna gloss treatment never said how long she left it on for. Neither did the cassia gloss treatment. There are some other things she does that I think are annoying so I may stop following her in terms of learning more Ayurveda Hair practices. It takes too much time to wade through her nonsense and I don’t wanna give her any more views.
Aggie
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mzteaze
Pilates and Yoga Kinda Gal
You do realize that ANY treatment you do whether henna or otherwise are rarely instantaneous? Most products work on a cumulative basis (meaning that with regular, consistent usage, you see results) - even the products with the synthetic stuff in it. One time usage is rarely enough time to fully judge the effects.
weavepat
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I blew out my hair last night and flat ironed on 300° just to take some of the volume out of it. I kept my hair in flat twists and set them on two flexi rods held together for added stretch. The black line is there to mark the bottom of my bra band.
The stretched hair is nice but I can't moisturize the way I want to and keep my hair stretched. I'll put flat twists in the front and two strand twists in the back using my CP spray, CP oil and tea on scalp, and oyin products.
The stretched hair is nice but I can't moisturize the way I want to and keep my hair stretched. I'll put flat twists in the front and two strand twists in the back using my CP spray, CP oil and tea on scalp, and oyin products.
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Aggie
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I completely concur with this post. And everybody knows or should know that the natural route always takes a little longer than commercial ways. Even natural meds take longer to work in the body than prescription meds. It's just science and that's the way it works.
Saludable84
Better Late Than Ugly
I don’t think anyone needs specific instructions from her on exactly what to do and how to do it. I’ve tried a few of her recipes that I didn’t like, but worked around them based on what my hair likes, allowing me to take guidance from her and incorporate what didn’t work in a way that worked well with my regimen. I also needed more than a few times to determine hits and misses.
In regards to Naptural85 green tea method, it is just a regular tea rinse. She uses decaf tea, which has less caffeine and IMO, doesn’t work as well as regular tea. Further, overuse of caffeine can stunt hair growth. Last, there is no guarantee one method will work over another.
kxlot79
Kitchen Mixtress
Maybe I don’t have any issues with CPs videos because I don’t watch them FAITHFULLY? I mean, I like what I see, love her hustle, and I’m subscribed... I also thumbs up most if not all the vids I watch... on GP, I have reservations about watching any YT hair video over 10 minutes. Sometimes I skip around?
I guess I’m posting about CP’s apparent disorganization? I don’t really understand what has some people confused either. I might have 12 different Ayurveda treatments in my cupboard but it’s unlikely I use ALL all of them in one week, or maybe even in 2.
I figured they’re just guidelines, not hard fast regimen rules. More “try this or this or this then this.” And you stop if you’re pleased with the first thing, or you try for better results with the second thing only to realize the first thing was better... until you get bored and try the third thing, then realize third time was the charm... until you discover a new herb or oil to experiment with... and you just gradually improve your process/customization...
Is this not what people are using her videos for?
I guess I’m posting about CP’s apparent disorganization? I don’t really understand what has some people confused either. I might have 12 different Ayurveda treatments in my cupboard but it’s unlikely I use ALL all of them in one week, or maybe even in 2.
I figured they’re just guidelines, not hard fast regimen rules. More “try this or this or this then this.” And you stop if you’re pleased with the first thing, or you try for better results with the second thing only to realize the first thing was better... until you get bored and try the third thing, then realize third time was the charm... until you discover a new herb or oil to experiment with... and you just gradually improve your process/customization...
Is this not what people are using her videos for?
kxlot79
Kitchen Mixtress
So thick and lush and pretty! You make me wanna blow my hair out!!! 
Would you say you’re MBL, WL or somewhere between?
Would you say you’re MBL, WL or somewhere between?
kxlot79
Kitchen Mixtress
Totally agree!
I also think the natural route is more sustainable. For example, Rogaine certainly works for many people. I recently saw a member’s progress thread with it. And while Ayurveda might not have worked for her, if it HAD, it would’ve been cheaper, more sustainable, and likely fewer side effects. But it probably would’ve also taken longer to see dramatic results
I also think the natural route is more sustainable. For example, Rogaine certainly works for many people. I recently saw a member’s progress thread with it. And while Ayurveda might not have worked for her, if it HAD, it would’ve been cheaper, more sustainable, and likely fewer side effects. But it probably would’ve also taken longer to see dramatic results
kxlot79
Kitchen Mixtress
I totally agree!
I also think people misunderstand caffeine’s effect on the hair strand’s growth cycle. You’re basically accelerating the anagen (growth) phase of a hair strand with regular use. So hairs that would’ve fallen out this wash maybe don’t fall out for a few more washes. But eventually ALL hair has to go through the telogen (fall out) phase and by accelerating the hair’s cycle, you’re rushing a hair strand to the telogen phase as well. So, hypothetically, if using caffeine got your hair to grow an extra .5” in a month, that hair is two months closer to falling out if your normal growth rate is .25”/month. Whatever your normal telogen phase is, it comes faster with regular caffeine use...
Now the bright side is that tea and coffee are natural, more mediated uses of caffeine, so overuse would typically be quite aggressive (more than what you would drink in a day). There are also lots of phytonutrients and antioxidents in teas, so many also see strengthening of the hair follicle and overall improvement of the hair strand’s quality and luster over time... All of that to say caffeine isn’t the only benefit and as a natural source of caffeine is a “safer” way of experimenting with it.
I honestly think caffeine overuse is much likelier when using synthetic or concentrated versions. But that’s just based on my own understanding and research. Always better to be safe than sorry!
I also think people misunderstand caffeine’s effect on the hair strand’s growth cycle. You’re basically accelerating the anagen (growth) phase of a hair strand with regular use. So hairs that would’ve fallen out this wash maybe don’t fall out for a few more washes. But eventually ALL hair has to go through the telogen (fall out) phase and by accelerating the hair’s cycle, you’re rushing a hair strand to the telogen phase as well. So, hypothetically, if using caffeine got your hair to grow an extra .5” in a month, that hair is two months closer to falling out if your normal growth rate is .25”/month. Whatever your normal telogen phase is, it comes faster with regular caffeine use...
Now the bright side is that tea and coffee are natural, more mediated uses of caffeine, so overuse would typically be quite aggressive (more than what you would drink in a day). There are also lots of phytonutrients and antioxidents in teas, so many also see strengthening of the hair follicle and overall improvement of the hair strand’s quality and luster over time... All of that to say caffeine isn’t the only benefit and as a natural source of caffeine is a “safer” way of experimenting with it.
I honestly think caffeine overuse is much likelier when using synthetic or concentrated versions. But that’s just based on my own understanding and research. Always better to be safe than sorry!
keranikki
Natural, 4a, Fine, medium density
It took about three weeks of continuous use for me to see results from the tea rinse. I used it daily if I was rocking a WNG or 3-4x a week if I was wigging it.
As for the henna gloss, I received better results when I used a conditioner without silicone in it and a steam treatment.
The videos are quite disorganized, but some of the ladies in here have reviewed the videos and gave quick synopses. I don’t know the post number, but one of the main reviewers is the OP of this thread. @YvetteWithJoy
kxlot79
Kitchen Mixtress
@Sally.
Sorry in advance for the novel but...
Thinking back to when I first started dabbling with Ayurveda... it took some time to see some of the improvements.
The first/most dramatic difference for me was in detangling. I didn’t start using henna glosses until maybe 2 years ago. I started with full strength henna treatments. I read about rapid results with a rapid buildup of coatings, kinda how you season a cast iron skillet and it gets better and better over time. Well I think I did a treatment a week for about 3 months. Then tapered off to 2x/month, then 1x/month. I’ve fallen off periodically but it hovers around 1x/month. And when I fall off, I slowly start having more issues with breakage and tangling and then I’m like “Oh yeah it’s been like 2 months since I did a henna treatment. Let me do one!”
I went from DAY LONG wash days 5 years ago to 1 HOUR wash days today. Some of that is experience and knowledge but a lot is henna’s help with detangling and conditioning my hair. Detangling would take 6+ hours, have to be broken into two nights or over the weekend to my WORST day of tangling today doesn’t take more than 2 hrs. Generally, detangling is a 15-30 minute affair.
My experience and advice is to think of Ayurveda as a life style or as something you’ll (semi-) permanently include in your regimen. When you think of it this way, you stop expecting dramatic quick flash results and are happy with sustainable, long-term improvements.
As far as tea rinses, I honestly did see results in one wash. Everyone is different though. But everyone also brews their teas differently and with different mixtures.
My first tea rinse was a kitchen sink mix (as in everything BUT the kitchen sink) so who knows what of that mix was the active ingredient or active mix of ingredients. I brewed it overnight and it was highly concentrated (ratio of water to herbs was low). I applied it, baggied overnight, and then proceeded with my regular wash routine. My ta-da moment was in 75% reduction in the shed hair. So it was a pretty huge difference for me.
Originally, I used tea rinses kinda like prepoos because of my issues with wash day shedding. Now, I mostly use them as daily leave-in/refresher sprays. I make them at a normal or medium strength now. Haven’t gone (or seen the need to go) extreme since my first month of using tea rinses.
Over time, my regular use of teas has definitely helped my shedding and the strength of my hair and follicles. But I can also say, my hair is long and abundant so perhaps it was mostly cosmetic for me to be so anxious about seeing so much hair fall in the shower. Throughout the week, I lose a few strands here and there with styling and handling. That’s to say I’m sure hairs that are meant to fall DO eventually fall, just not all at once in the shower like before. And I’m much happier with this result. My hair also feels fuller. I can’t say a way I could measure because it was never really thin. But it’s like Ayurveda has optimized my hair.
So maybe don’t expect a whole nother head of hair, but the best version your hair can be. Over time, that can seem like different hair, but it’s just your best hair.
Sorry in advance for the novel but...Thinking back to when I first started dabbling with Ayurveda... it took some time to see some of the improvements.
The first/most dramatic difference for me was in detangling. I didn’t start using henna glosses until maybe 2 years ago. I started with full strength henna treatments. I read about rapid results with a rapid buildup of coatings, kinda how you season a cast iron skillet and it gets better and better over time. Well I think I did a treatment a week for about 3 months. Then tapered off to 2x/month, then 1x/month. I’ve fallen off periodically but it hovers around 1x/month. And when I fall off, I slowly start having more issues with breakage and tangling and then I’m like “Oh yeah it’s been like 2 months since I did a henna treatment. Let me do one!”
I went from DAY LONG wash days 5 years ago to 1 HOUR wash days today. Some of that is experience and knowledge but a lot is henna’s help with detangling and conditioning my hair. Detangling would take 6+ hours, have to be broken into two nights or over the weekend to my WORST day of tangling today doesn’t take more than 2 hrs. Generally, detangling is a 15-30 minute affair.
My experience and advice is to think of Ayurveda as a life style or as something you’ll (semi-) permanently include in your regimen. When you think of it this way, you stop expecting dramatic quick flash results and are happy with sustainable, long-term improvements.
As far as tea rinses, I honestly did see results in one wash. Everyone is different though. But everyone also brews their teas differently and with different mixtures.
My first tea rinse was a kitchen sink mix (as in everything BUT the kitchen sink) so who knows what of that mix was the active ingredient or active mix of ingredients. I brewed it overnight and it was highly concentrated (ratio of water to herbs was low). I applied it, baggied overnight, and then proceeded with my regular wash routine. My ta-da moment was in 75% reduction in the shed hair. So it was a pretty huge difference for me.
Originally, I used tea rinses kinda like prepoos because of my issues with wash day shedding. Now, I mostly use them as daily leave-in/refresher sprays. I make them at a normal or medium strength now. Haven’t gone (or seen the need to go) extreme since my first month of using tea rinses.
Over time, my regular use of teas has definitely helped my shedding and the strength of my hair and follicles. But I can also say, my hair is long and abundant so perhaps it was mostly cosmetic for me to be so anxious about seeing so much hair fall in the shower. Throughout the week, I lose a few strands here and there with styling and handling. That’s to say I’m sure hairs that are meant to fall DO eventually fall, just not all at once in the shower like before. And I’m much happier with this result. My hair also feels fuller. I can’t say a way I could measure because it was never really thin. But it’s like Ayurveda has optimized my hair.
So maybe don’t expect a whole nother head of hair, but the best version your hair can be. Over time, that can seem like different hair, but it’s just your best hair.
YvetteWithJoy
On break
Beautiful hair, lady!
Keen
Well-Known Member
I think this is important for people to understand. I think what attracted me to CP's method is the simplicity of it. When I tried to do Ayuverdic years back when I was relaxed, I quit real quick. Looking back, I was complicating the process.So maybe don’t expect a whole nother head of hair, but the best version your hair can be. Over time, that can seem like different hair, but it’s just your best hair.
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