2018 Curlyproverbz-inspired Regimen Challenge

You ladies have really inspired me to incorporate Ayurveda into my hair regimen. I'm admittedly a lazy natural so I had to really assess how to incorporate the powders. I made an infused oil of henna, Amal and shikakiah in olive, coconut and avocado oil. I first tried to used the oils as an overnight pre-poo which worked well for my hair. Then I did my wash day the next morning. But again I'm a lazy natural so I prefer to split my wash days because I don't have the time or patience to spend a whole day on hair.
So for now my regimine will be:
  • Friday or Saturday night wash my hair with my clay mix of bentonite and kaolin with acv (no added water or oils) When I'm feeling lazy I'll use Mane Choice or liquid African black soap (the Allafia brand, which I use to wash my face)
  • After washing apply my deep conditioner tgin honey miracle hair mask or carol daughter rahssoul clay deep conditioner (I actually like this stuff) and add my infused Ayurveda oil for an overnight deep condition. Massage oil into my scalp and strand after applying deep conditioner. Put on 2 plastic caps, head scarf and a winter hat, go to sleep.
  • When my infused oil is used up i used the sludge as a henna gloss overnight treatment.
  • In the morning sit under the dryer for 15 mins, then detangle my hair in 4 sections, slpitting those sections in 3 and twisting the hair once detangled. When I do the henna gloss I'll detangle after I wash the gloss out and deep conditioned.
  • Wash the deep conditioner out with the twists in.
  • Add my leave in and style my hair, usually a wng or keep trying to figure out twist outs because I want to see more of my length and protective style (with my own hair) during the winter. I also want to incorporate whipped shea butter recipes as part of my L.C. leave in (my hair can't take too many layers) since I joined the shea butter challenge.
I picked up a few Ayurveda products to use as well. So far I'm loving Qhemet's alma and olive oil heavy cream and Camille Rose cocoa nibbs and honey growth oil for scalp massages during the week. On my second bottle of the oil, its now a staple.
Im committed to including Ayurveda into my hair regimen for a year and will take progression pics to document my results. HHG ladies!
 
So Ms CP uploaded a new video that basically talked about her extended partnership with BelleBar Organics and her new product in the line: a rhassoul clay cleanser.
I compared her latest kit to the kit a few months ago at the beginning of the partnership. It seems the ingredient recommendations have done a little switching around and a cleanser was added to the commercial kit.
Vids for comparison if anyone is interested:



So I have two questions to the group:
1) How are you brewing/What are you putting in your tea rinses?
2)Would you/Has anyone purchased Belle Bar CP products? I apologize in advance if I missed your post.

At $125 for the latest kit, I’m a bit shocked. Not because I don’t think it’s worth it. And lord knows I’ve probably spent many times over that amount in my PJ days...

I guess question 3 is: Is a $125 hair growth kit cost prohibitive to you? Why/why not?

The first attractant for me in Ayurveda was the inexpensiveness of it. #2: high efficacy though natural #3:customization... I do wonder if I’d be such a proponent of it if it cost the same or more than regular synthetic stuff. And if people’s first contact with Ayurveda is this do they then leave with the impression that it’s very expensive or time intensive to prepare and use.
 

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kxlot79 said:
So Ms CP uploaded a new video that basically talked about her extended partnership with BelleBar Organics and her new product in the line: a rhassoul clay cleanser.
I compared her latest kit to the kit a few months ago at the beginning of the partnership. It seems the ingredient recommendations have done a little switching around and a cleanser was added to the commercial kit.
Vids for comparison if anyone is interested:



So I have two questions to the group:
1) How are you brewing/What are you putting in your tea rinses?
2)Would you/Has anyone purchased Belle Bar CP products? I apologize in advance if I missed your post.

At $125 for the latest kit, I’m a bit shocked. Not because I don’t think it’s worth it. And lord knows I’ve probably spent many times over that amount in my PJ days...

I guess question 3 is: Is a $125 hair growth kit cost prohibitive to you? Why/why not?

The first attractant for me in Ayurveda was the inexpensiveness of it. #2: high efficacy though natural #3:customization... I do wonder if I’d be such a proponent of it if it cost the same or more than regular synthetic stuff. And if people’s first contact with Ayurveda is this do they then leave with the impression that it’s very expensive or time intensive to prepare and use.
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1). I put the same ingredients found in her tea rinse. I bought all of the ingredients for less than $15 and ended up with roughly 10 oz of product. It will likely last me more than a year because I've used it consistently and it still looks like I haven't made a dent in the contents.

2) I may, at some point, purchase their product simply to compare to my own. But, keep in mind, they are local to me, so I can hit their pop up locations and purchase without shipping.

3) I don't see the kit being cost prohibitive FOR ME. I tend to buy products I like or want to try, regardless, of the cost. If I added up the cost of products I've purchased over a 6 month period, I suspect it will be greater than $125. That includes products I've tried and haven't used again.

However, let's keep in mind (and I've seen this happen a few times with hair YouTubers), the audience they are catering to is NOT the group concerned with cost. They cater to the group of people who want to get similar results BUT don't want to make/mix their own inexpensive ingredients. That's really the bottom line.

I don't begrudge her partnership at all. I've work in the industry (cosmetics manufacturing), so I understand why, behind the scenes, ingredients in formulations change. It's inevitable for many reasons.
 
mzteaze said:
You do realize that ANY treatment you do whether henna or otherwise are rarely instantaneous? Most products work on a cumulative basis (meaning that with regular, consistent usage, you see results) - even the products with the synthetic stuff in it. One time usage is rarely enough time to fully judge the effects.
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thanks. yea, maybe i was expecting way too much and my high standards set me up for disappointment. but with my aphogee 2-step, i always see my breakage pretty much but all stop from one treatment and i thought a henna gloss was going to give me the same results. i will keep at it tho.
 
kxlot79 said:
So Ms CP uploaded a new video that basically talked about her extended partnership with BelleBar Organics and her new product in the line: a rhassoul clay cleanser.
I compared her latest kit to the kit a few months ago at the beginning of the partnership. It seems the ingredient recommendations have done a little switching around and a cleanser was added to the commercial kit.
Vids for comparison if anyone is interested:



So I have two questions to the group:
1) How are you brewing/What are you putting in your tea rinses?
2)Would you/Has anyone purchased Belle Bar CP products? I apologize in advance if I missed your post.

At $125 for the latest kit, I’m a bit shocked. Not because I don’t think it’s worth it. And lord knows I’ve probably spent many times over that amount in my PJ days...

I guess question 3 is: Is a $125 hair growth kit cost prohibitive to you? Why/why not?

The first attractant for me in Ayurveda was the inexpensiveness of it. #2: high efficacy though natural #3:customization... I do wonder if I’d be such a proponent of it if it cost the same or more than regular synthetic stuff. And if people’s first contact with Ayurveda is this do they then leave with the impression that it’s very expensive or time intensive to prepare and use.
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I wish Farida all the success in the world! Go, Farida!

I'm not paying that kind of money for a hair kit. That is not good stewardship of MY money. But I'm more than happy to see others investing in it. I have spent a good amount on hair myself!

Also, Farida did not use these kits to grow/retain her hair. Her recipes over the last 5 years or so were simple DIY recipes, like those of Indian women who have luxurious hair for a few reasons.

Part of the allure of ayurveda -- for me -- was the DIY component. I like not having to order a product, but instead walk over to my powders, oils, and butters and do a little mixing -- customizing everything, down to the scent.

But like I said: Go, Farida!!!
 
Sally. said:
thanks. yea, maybe i was expecting way too much and my high standards set me up for disappointment. but with my aphogee 2-step, i always see my breakage pretty much but all stop from one treatment and i thought a henna gloss was going to give me the same results. i will keep at it tho.
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If you trial ayurveda for awhile and it's just meh for your hair, you can sell your powders and herbs to folks at LHCF.

I'm a firm believer that every quarter year of hair care practices really counts. My hair deserves what's best for it! :yep:
 
kxlot79 said:
So Ms CP uploaded a new video that basically talked about her extended partnership with BelleBar Organics and her new product in the line: a rhassoul clay cleanser.
I compared her latest kit to the kit a few months ago at the beginning of the partnership. It seems the ingredient recommendations have done a little switching around and a cleanser was added to the commercial kit.
Vids for comparison if anyone is interested:



So I have two questions to the group:
1) How are you brewing/What are you putting in your tea rinses?
2)Would you/Has anyone purchased Belle Bar CP products? I apologize in advance if I missed your post.

At $125 for the latest kit, I’m a bit shocked. Not because I don’t think it’s worth it. And lord knows I’ve probably spent many times over that amount in my PJ days...

I guess question 3 is: Is a $125 hair growth kit cost prohibitive to you? Why/why not?

The first attractant for me in Ayurveda was the inexpensiveness of it. #2: high efficacy though natural #3:customization... I do wonder if I’d be such a proponent of it if it cost the same or more than regular synthetic stuff. And if people’s first contact with Ayurveda is this do they then leave with the impression that it’s very expensive or time intensive to prepare and use.
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I think $125 is a bit excessive, but just as @mzteaze explained, I get it. While we may not care to purchase it here, there are still people who will pay to have the work already done for them. It is the same as purchasing any hair care products in general. If you have a favorite commercial deep conditioner, you are basically paying to have someone else do all the work for you. So while Ayurveda is cheap, you can spend, quite a bit, at one time just to stock up.

Now, on the other hand, to DIY Ayurveda, the same way with conditioner, you have to purchase the ingredients. For us, it seems like nothing, but when you think about it, even if making a few items here and there with everything you purchased, can last you roughly 3-6 months, that is space you have to make for storage of these items, for 3-6 months. My cassia and mehendi are just sitting somewhere waiting for love, and will last me until the middle to 3rd quarter of next year, meanwhile, ive had them for about 3-6 months now. Some people do not want to do all of that and just want easily accessible items.

You also need to look at trial and error. It may be nothing for us to say "my hair doesnt like xyz" and gift it or sell it, but not everyone is into that; some people will just trash some items or feel that they wasted their money because now they have excess product they will never use. I learned this lesson with avocado oil. I hate it and it is just sitting in my closet, and it is going to sit there, because I know no one who uses its and have no one to give it too. I would have to figure it out. However, it is 16 ounces of avocado oil just smiling at me.

I dont find her price unreasonable to the right audience. For me, it is quite a bit, but that is because I dont mind making the products. For those that dont want to DIY, it is reasonable. I am pretty sure she isnt using cheap quality ingredients, it is likely small batched and made to order. It may be also be easier to determine comparability and consistency for those who may want to dabble in the future and need an actual comparison.
 
For Christmas I got henna hibiscus cassica and Alma powder. I’ve been using the growth oil for some time now but plan to do a henna gloss for the first time tonight. Any recommendations on what I should mix and long I should keep it in etc. I’m not really looking for color since I already have light /red hair but am not opposed to it either. Do I leave it on overnight or do I use with heat. Thanks in advance
 
BlessedXs2 said:
For Christmas I got henna hibiscus cassica and Alma powder. I’ve been using the growth oil for some time now but plan to do a henna gloss for the first time tonight. Any recommendations on what I should mix and long I should keep it in etc. I’m not really looking for color since I already have light /red hair but am not opposed to it either. Do I leave it on overnight or do I use with heat. Thanks in advance
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It’s truly up to you. I steam my glosses/ henna treatments in, for I have fine/HiPo/color-treated (red) hair. Overnight treatments tend to open my cuticles too much and cause tangles.
 
@BlessedXs2 I do overnight henna glosses. My hair feels like I did a hard protein treatment in the morning so I follow up with a very moisturizing deep conditioner under heat for an hour.

I don't think I can do straight henna treatments because the glosses seems to loosen my curl pattern.
 
Thank you for your replies! I want to jump in head first and use a bit of EVERYTHING but think I’ll do then henna and hibiscus maybe add Aloe Vera juice and some honey to my Aussie moist and do it overnight. Does that sound good? I’ll use my tgin honey mask tomorrow after I wash it out. This is so exciting since I’ve been in bit of a rut (transitioning). I also plan on making a tea when I have the free time
 
i made the hair growth oil tonight. i'm letting it infuse on a candle warmer so that i can use some tonight.

my cassia, bhringraj, and aloe vera powders will be here tomorrow! i'm so excited. i also think i'm just gonna go ahead and order the bhringraj oil and that jakeala ayurveda whipped shea butter parfait even though i said i wasn't going to spend any more money until i trialed some of the products i already have.
 
Sally. said:
And can I say CurlyProverbz videos are so annoying. I’m not sure if she’s dense or what but none of her videos contain the pertinent info. Her henna gloss treatment never said how long she left it on for. Neither did the cassia gloss treatment. There are some other things she does that I think are annoying so I may stop following her in terms of learning more Ayurveda Hair practices. It takes too much time to wade through her nonsense and I don’t wanna give her any more views.
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I'm with you on this. I do not like her videos at all. They are long, with her talking excessively, but they have very little substance, IMO.

Fortunately for me, I dabbled in Ayurvedic hair care years ago when it was really popular on this board, so I have some base knowledge and experience with these herbs. I just skim her videos to see what ingredients she's using.
 
keranikki said:
It’s truly up to you. I steam my glosses/ henna treatments in, for I have fine/HiPo/color-treated (red) hair. Overnight treatments tend to open my cuticles too much and cause tangles.
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This completely underscores a major point here - there are no definites about ayurvedic treatments simply because there are so many variables depending on what you've added to your mix.

There are more rules of thumb - but they aren't definites.
 
Today is wash day...... Did a hot oil treatment with shea butter, washed my hair with cream of nature sulphate free shampoo, did a tea rinse with tea spray containing fenugreek, amla, rosemary and brahmi. After rinsing, deep conditioned with Mane choice's easy on the curls hydrating conditioner mixed with CP oil....currently under my steamer as i type
 
Apologies if this has already been posted, I'm reading this thread backwards and haven't gotten to the beginning...

I thought this was a good clear ayurvedic regimen video. She even shows how she maintains throughout the week. I will be following a similar process incorporating CP's hair oil, growth oil, tea leave-in, henna gloss, Shea butter blend. I'm keeping my shampoo, deep conditioner and cream leave-in commercial. I'll replace the henna gloss step with a full henna treatment, clay mask, or protein treatment followed by a DC, depending on what my hair needs week to week.

I'm doing my 3rd BC next week, so I'm starting over from scratch. Wish me luck this time around. Lol

 
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So I blow dried and flat ironed my hair yesterday for NYE. It was silky straight, like relaxer straight. Went to sleep exhausted and woke up to puffy puffy roots, well puffy everything. Le sigh. I might as well have just blown it out with how it looks now. Don’t y’all hate that??
At any rate, MBL still. Feels like 1-2 inches from WL. On the bright side, very little shedding and breakage and I didn’t have to trim much.
 

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Finally washed my hair yesterday, it was a mess. hot oil treatment to detangle. shampooed with trader joes TTT. deep conditioned with shea moisture honey mask + agave nectar in 4 bantu knots under plastic cap and hat for a few hours. hair felt wonderful, curls popping everywhere. set hair in twists with KCKT and keravada creme brulee.
today, oil massaged keravada super ego, steamed in the shower. a dab of alikay naturals moisture rich hair parfait to untwist.

I think need to start deep conditioning longer and with heat. I've been eyeing those heat caps, any recommendations or reviews?
 
kxlot79 said:
So I blow dried and flat ironed my hair yesterday for NYE. It was silky straight, like relaxer straight. Went to sleep exhausted and woke up to puffy puffy roots, well puffy everything. Le sigh. I might as well have just blown it out with how it looks now. Don’t y’all hate that??
At any rate, MBL still. Feels like 1-2 inches from WL. On the bright side, very little shedding and breakage and I didn’t have to trim much.
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All of that gorgeous hair!

Yay for very little shedding and breakage!!! :clap:

:woot:
 
  • I applied an ayurvedic gloss last night and I'll wash it out after posting.
  • I brewed another batch of tea(2 tbsp each of whole amla and CS powder with 16 oz of boiling water) that's in the freezer.
  • I should finish my CP olive oil this week. I still have plenty of herb infused olive oil left so I'll just add castor, MSM, and essential oils to turn it into CP oil.
  • Still using the tea spritz(2 parts tea, 1 part Greg juice). The aloe, glycerin, and optiphen should arrive on Tuesday. I'll start experimenting with my own recipe next weekend.
 
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