Bene
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Thank you, this is how I visualize the list. Well, ALL lists. I shouldn't even be in this thread. I might get stoned to death for being a 3
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Is hair texture the new paper bag test???
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Thank you, this is how I visualize the list. Well, ALL lists. I shouldn't even be in this thread. I might get stoned to death for being a 3
happylife
New Member
Yep and that's a fine art that's hard to do without looking too sensitive or nuckin futs.
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ChristmasCarol
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Yes, that's true. But even members are not familiar with the intricacies of hairtyping and most people think of things with the #s 1-10 as a "list" of sorts. Just tryin' to give everyone the benefit of the doubt...
Taina
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Totally agree with the bold. I've seen ppl that have beautiful, but yet short hair showing her beautiful hair in pictures and just a few pays attention to them, it does not matter hair type, and lots of TY to ppl with not that breath-taking hair, but longer ....I'm just asking. Could the same be said for people with long hair vs. us short haired people? I see more oooh and ahhh over long hair than hair texture. Hair texture-- who cares? If you don't like yours relax it.
I don't have a dog in the hunt. People tell me I can't tell my hair texture until I cut off my relaxed ends which I'm not doing for a while, so I have no idea what mine is. My momma said I had good hair though.ETA: And if everyone's momma had told them the same thing, we'd all be better off.
So, i have to say we do ALWAYS do the same, some with the hair type, some with the lenght.
Pompous Blue
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No matter which way you write it, 3 is always lower than 4.
No sensitivity. Just reality.
No sensitivity. Just reality.
Rain20
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I've seen all hair types get love on this board. People have their preferences but overall long healthy hair wins on this board. It doesnt have to be about not accepting your roots. Mwedzi has beautiful hair and so does CelinaStarr. I think we can admire more than one hair type.
Pretty Star
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You can't know for sure if the person is lying or mistaken. However, I can tell you that I see a very visible difference in the curl pattern of say a type 3A vs. a type 4B. I would think the mistaken person can see that difference as well.
ChristmasCarol
Well-Known Member
Thank you, this is how I visualize the list. Well, ALL lists. I shouldn't even be in this thread. I might get stoned to death for being a 3
Girl, stop your lyin', you know you ain't no "3".
Yeah we do a pretty good job. Better than IRL certainly...
Bene
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PerplexingComplex
Well-Known Member
I honestly do not notice that on this board. I see 3s claiming 4, but that's probably because they maybe confused and don't want to be considered a liar. A higher texture is a safer bet.
I really don't care. Everyone has a hair preference. My favorite hair type is thick 3C, but I know that's not my hair type. Not even close.
happylife
New Member
I agree, lots of times long healthy hair is what gets many drooling. Imo its only fitting as this is not the short hair care forum....however, many of the tips you gather here can be slanted either to long or short hair.
This is the OLD ruler test actually. Frankly, OP your question was a loaded one. It assumes that it's the "Andre 3" people who are so fixated on hair texture and that they are the ones who volunteer this info more readily than "Andre 4 people". I don't see this at all on this site. If anything, people are ASKED what their hair type is, frequently...much too frequently. Then when they answer, folks spend precious time debating whether or not they're telling the truth 
. If you are an "Andre 3", should you lie to make others feel comfortable? I'm starting to think you really must if you want some peace!
Much of this emphasis on texture is coming from the fact that it seems half our board is suddenly going natural. Given that so many BW have no real practical knowledge of their hair and its texture, I suspect many secretly hope they will have a hair type that they end up not having. Once they have their hopes dashed and fears confirmed, many simply get very passive-aggressive about the matter. Either they LOUDLY tout their texture over others or they spend too much time worrying about other folks' textures....both of these camps spend inordinate amount of time/money/thought trying to change THEIR texture or being in denial about it. This isn't about anyone else, it's about them. I understand people have their insecurities, but that doesn't give them the right to inflict or project them on to other people. They need to accept themselves before demanding that others do.
Of late, I'm starting to wonder if people w/ looser textures, relaxed heads, and even mixed race people of any sort are welcome here? The level of bigotry and angry tone (both overt and covert) is just stunning to watch. I've been a member here too long and I'm too observant to not have noticed it and have a good idea of why it's happening. I don't have a hair texture bias either...y'all don't know mine because I'm not telling. I don't buy into Andre's system anyhow. The Andre system is too flawed to take seriously as a accurate way to describe hair for any useful purposes IMHO, but mostly people are talking about aesthetics anyway.
Rulers work both ways folks.
People sit up and openly dismiss people w/ a texture different than their own, so hurt feels go in all directions, not just one.
As for there being a long vs short hair bias, well this is The LONG HAIR Care Forum...you knew that when you signed on. That dog don't hunt. Some folks will find anything to get a badditude about.
. If you are an "Andre 3", should you lie to make others feel comfortable? I'm starting to think you really must if you want some peace! Much of this emphasis on texture is coming from the fact that it seems half our board is suddenly going natural. Given that so many BW have no real practical knowledge of their hair and its texture, I suspect many secretly hope they will have a hair type that they end up not having. Once they have their hopes dashed and fears confirmed, many simply get very passive-aggressive about the matter. Either they LOUDLY tout their texture over others or they spend too much time worrying about other folks' textures....both of these camps spend inordinate amount of time/money/thought trying to change THEIR texture or being in denial about it. This isn't about anyone else, it's about them. I understand people have their insecurities, but that doesn't give them the right to inflict or project them on to other people. They need to accept themselves before demanding that others do.
Of late, I'm starting to wonder if people w/ looser textures, relaxed heads, and even mixed race people of any sort are welcome here? The level of bigotry and angry tone (both overt and covert) is just stunning to watch. I've been a member here too long and I'm too observant to not have noticed it and have a good idea of why it's happening. I don't have a hair texture bias either...y'all don't know mine because I'm not telling. I don't buy into Andre's system anyhow. The Andre system is too flawed to take seriously as a accurate way to describe hair for any useful purposes IMHO, but mostly people are talking about aesthetics anyway.
Rulers work both ways folks.
People sit up and openly dismiss people w/ a texture different than their own, so hurt feels go in all directions, not just one.As for there being a long vs short hair bias, well this is The LONG HAIR Care Forum...you knew that when you signed on.
That dog don't hunt. Some folks will find anything to get a badditude about.
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Kurlee
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I never understood this, but it`s out of control. I wonder what the reason is
. People say they don't get the hair typing thing, but I mean, it's pretty straight forward.
Skiggle
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That in the bold stood out to me.
I honestly believe everyone is welcome here.
I just think that outside the world of LHCF,
people wouldn't embrace the whole tighter curl
pattern. Its a different world once I log off.
I just wish I can get the same love/appreciation
that the looser texture does. That is the only
thing I'm envious about.. *sigh*
happylife
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This is the OLD ruler test actually. Frankly, OP your question was a loaded one. It assumes that it's the "Andre 3" people who are so fixated on hair texture and that they are the ones who volunteer this info more readily than "Andre 4 people". I don't see this at all on this site. If anything, people are ASKED what their hair type is, frequently...much too frequently. Then when they answer, folks spend precious time debating whether or not they're telling the truth
Much of this emphasis on texture is coming from the fact that it seems half our board is suddenly going natural. Given that so many BW have no real practical knowledge of their hair and its texture, I suspect many secretly hope they will have a hair type that they end up not having. Once they have their hopes dashed and fears confirmed, many simply get very passive-aggressive about the matter. Either they LOUDLY tout their texture over others or they spend too much time worrying about other folks' textures....both of these camps spend inordinate amount of time/money/thought trying to change THEIR texture or being in denial about it. This isn't about anyone else, it's about them. I understand people have their insecurities, but that doesn't give them the right to inflict or project them on to other people. They need to accept themselves before demanding that others do.
Of late, I'm starting to wonder if people w/ looser textures, relaxed heads, and even mixed race people of any sort are welcome here? The level of bigotry and angry tone (both overt and covert) is just stunning to watch. I've been a member here too long and I'm too observant to not have noticed it and have a good idea of why it's happening. I don't have a hair texture bias either...y'all don't know mine because I'm not telling. I don't buy into Andre's system anyhow. The Andre system is too flawed to take seriously as a accurate way to describe hair for any useful purposes IMHO, but mostly people are talking about aesthetics anyway.
Rulers work both ways folks.
As for there being a long vs short hair bias, well this is The LONG HAIR Care Forum...you knew that when you signed on.
Spoken poetry. Dead on it.
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Almaz
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Wow that is all I have to say
This is the OLD ruler test actually. Frankly, OP your question was a loaded one. It assumes that it's the "Andre 3" people who are so fixated on hair texture and that they are the ones who volunteer this info more readily than "Andre 4 people". I don't see this at all on this site. If anything, people are ASKED what their hair type is, frequently...much too frequently. Then when they answer, folks spend precious time debating whether or not they're telling the truth
Much of this emphasis on texture is coming from the fact that it seems half our board is suddenly going natural. Given that so many BW have no real practical knowledge of their hair and its texture, I suspect many secretly hope they will have a hair type that they end up not having. Once they have their hopes dashed and fears confirmed, many simply get very passive-aggressive about the matter. Either they LOUDLY tout their texture over others or they spend too much time worrying about other folks' textures....both of these camps spend inordinate amount of time/money/thought trying to change THEIR texture or being in denial about it. This isn't about anyone else, it's about them. I understand people have their insecurities, but that doesn't give them the right to inflict or project them on to other people. They need to accept themselves before demanding that others do.
Of late, I'm starting to wonder if people w/ looser textures, relaxed heads, and even mixed race people of any sort are welcome here? The level of bigotry and angry tone (both overt and covert) is just stunning to watch. I've been a member here too long and I'm too observant to not have noticed it and have a good idea of why it's happening. I don't have a hair texture bias either...y'all don't know mine because I'm not telling. I don't buy into Andre's system anyhow. The Andre system is too flawed to take seriously as a accurate way to describe hair for any useful purposes IMHO, but mostly people are talking about aesthetics anyway.
Rulers work both ways folks.
As for there being a long vs short hair bias, well this is The LONG HAIR Care Forum...you knew that when you signed on.
Spoken poetry. Dead on it.
dynamic1
Well-Known Member
I have never seen someone with no visible curl pattern (coils or ringlets) or with a z pattern proclaim their "hair is very loosely curled like Julia Roberts or Susan Sarandon..very shiny with big curls"
Feel free to PM me with an example (eta: I have never seen a 4b claim 3a, send me a link, post, etc.). I have been on these boards for a long time.
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Based on some incidents I've seen of late, it's increasingly becoming clear that not all are welcome or at least as welcome as they may have been in the past.
Being envious of others will not help you. You need to love yourself 1st and foremost. I'm saying this because people have their biases and preferances, but you can't let that bother you because they will not change. I rarely see anyone w/ a texture like mine here or on the interwebz, but that's cool. I dig my hair and take good care of it. That's really all you can do.
Bene
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Kurlee
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coconow2007
New Member
I have noticed lately a lot of people focusing extensively on hair type. To me it isn't that serious and never will be. However for many others it's something that makes them better than everybody else. When my mother was in Jack and Jill the paper bag test was something VERY real and in order to be apart of the group you should pass itDo you feel some people will place extra emphasis on letting you know that their is a "3a or 3b or the elusive 3c" when you haven't even asked for that information? Or even lie about the TRUE textures of their hair to fit into a certain "Club" How do you feel about the issue?? Thoughts?
I would like to think that all of us on LHCF are beyond that. I think we all seek similar goals and those are to grow healthy hair to a length that makes us satisfied whether its relaxed, natural, or somewhere in between - regardless of texture.
MA2010
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hey ppl look at the pictures in the LHCF banner at the top of every page there are four at a time and they change to acknowledge variety.
Every time I look up there I see the same four women?
Bene
New Member
Sometimes the one on the far right has the a fro with a headband, other times it's one with 2 high ponytail buns on either side of her head.
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Almaz
New Member
I thought we should be happy we all have hair to begin with no matter what texture. We all talk about our busted sisters we see on the bus train plane with chewed up hair and family members with jacked up hair practises saying that you have GOOD hair and that is why it is growing long. When in fact hair is good when it is healthy. We can't help with what we were born with hair wise but with proper care and not believing all the negative hype about Blacks womens hair it can be beautiful and healthy
That should be the main thing. Thank G-d you got some hair and being on here knowing what to do and what not to do
In the words of Rodney King
Can't we all just get along
That should be the main thing. Thank G-d you got some hair and being on here knowing what to do and what not to do
In the words of Rodney King
Can't we all just get along
Pompous Blue
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BlackMasterPiece
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I'm a classic type 4a and when I started my first thread Making My LHCF Debut here this summer I was warmly welcomed and embraced
and thanked 258 times it was really nice.
I think irl people will probably try to claim looser textures but I feel that on LHCF there is generally more of a consciousness and the reverse happens. Very often I'll see people put 4a/b in their siggy when they obviously have loose curls you can see from five feet away. I asked a looser textured poster once why so many ladies intentionally do this and she said its because many of them associate type 4 with being black and want to identify themselves as such. So despite the obvious curls they claim 4.
I came away with a better understanding but I still feel people should claim their true hair type and if they dont know specifically just use a general number like 3 or 4. I feel this is important because there are newbies who are starting from scratch in their knowledge of healthy hair care and are probably just being introduced to the typing system, when their hair cant make huge shiney curls and lay down with just some gel and a brush, then they're going to feel bad about their texture and feel it doesnt have as much potential, so I say to avoid confusion of someone that may be taking notes from you just claim your real type......... as Kurlee said, its really not that complex its really straightforward especially if you go by naturallycurly.com's typing page.
and thanked 258 times it was really nice.I think irl people will probably try to claim looser textures but I feel that on LHCF there is generally more of a consciousness and the reverse happens. Very often I'll see people put 4a/b in their siggy when they obviously have loose curls you can see from five feet away. I asked a looser textured poster once why so many ladies intentionally do this and she said its because many of them associate type 4 with being black and want to identify themselves as such. So despite the obvious curls they claim 4.
I came away with a better understanding but I still feel people should claim their true hair type and if they dont know specifically just use a general number like 3 or 4. I feel this is important because there are newbies who are starting from scratch in their knowledge of healthy hair care and are probably just being introduced to the typing system, when their hair cant make huge shiney curls and lay down with just some gel and a brush, then they're going to feel bad about their texture and feel it doesnt have as much potential, so I say to avoid confusion of someone that may be taking notes from you just claim your real type......... as Kurlee said, its really not that complex its really straightforward especially if you go by naturallycurly.com's typing page.
Mz.MoMo5235
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i have a looser curl pattern, yet i grew up with the whole "you have bad hair" complex as well... the grass is always greener. i used to wish at one point my hair was more straight to fit in with my family. once i went to school i wished i had a tighter texture so that all the black girls would accept me.
i will say though, i've never felt discriminated against OR put on a pedestal here because of my hair type... i dont have a eleventy-million thank yous or comments on my page or on my pictures... half the time i'm rarely noticed in a thread (not in a bad way lol)
IRL i get mixed reviews about my hair too. yeah, i get the douche bags who talk to me cause "you got that good hair" :gag: but i also have the jerks that feel the need to make rude side ways comments because of my hair.
i guess what i'm saying is that its human nature to point out the "different" and that will include the positive and the negative
Mizz Diamonds
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back in slavery times there was a fine toothed comb test to go with the brown paper bag test
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