White hair stylist on African American Hair! *Video*

[jamaraa]

No, actually they called it "Japanese Straightening" because they want ppl to believe their hair results will looks like the japanese hair, but i was reading the other day (in an spanish site) that Japanese ppl don't even know about this procedure.

Nope, Japanese Straightening started in Japan for Japanese people back in the 90s. Maybe they know it as "Yuko" straightening or something like that. Contrary to popular belief, not all Japanese have straight hair (I've seen them heat straighten maiko's hair myself, so I know this is true). That this system started in Kyoto (where most geisha are) doesn't surprise me.

Check it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_hair_straightening

"Hair expert Yuko Yama****a is the creator of the YUKO Hair Straightening system. Yama****a's system was granted a patent in Japan in 1995, and she opened her first specialist hair straightening salon in 1996."

Here's a super tony salon that does it in NYC:
http://peterlouissalon.com/template.php?f=japanesestraightening

A bit more w/ vid of it being done on a Japanese person: http://www.chiff.com/fashion/japanese-hair-straightening.htm#

ETA..the auto edit blanks out the full name of the innovator of this system because it contains a "profanity" Her full name is on the links I provided.

 

[whitedaisez]

Not all bi-racial ppl have wavy hair. I am one, and i don't have waves i have very very tight curls and baby growing rocking afro

This was the 3 time she was performing this process on Victoria's hair, and as it is permanent, of course her hair wont look like the first time she did it.


She have more education in AA hair than a lot of AA women. I didn't know anything about taking REALLY good care of my hair untill i found this website. I mean i had a very simple rutine. Once per week shampoo-conditioner-rinse, mositurizing with citre shine and stuff like that ...and i do believe i was not the only one out there.


No, actually they called it "Japanese Straightening" because they want ppl to believe their hair results will looks like the japanese hair, but i was reading the other day (in an spanish site) that Japanese ppl don't even know about this procedure.

Av seen your siggy, ur curls are not that tight to me. Plus the girl does that treatment once a yr. For an 8 month stretch, her new growth looks extremely wavy.

 

[coconow2007]

Kudos to her for at least trying to educate herself and being caring enough to defend black women. While her model may not represent all black women and our various hair types at least she was open minded enough to try.
Growing up in the midwest and living in the burbs I had my share of non black stylists and I have them range for being scared to death to being open minded. As I think back way, way, way back my experience with a good non black stylist netted me with a great hairstyle that was super soft and moisturized. It was strange because I thought I needed a relaxer touch up but was not going to let her do it because I really only wanted a cut. As I was telling her I probably needed to get a touch up before I came to her she said - no you don't you could go months without getting a touch up it will be better for your hair. I looked at her like, 'this white girl does not know what the heck she is talking about' - fast forward I find lhcf and the relaxed heads here say the same thing about stretching relaxers for a long time before getting a touch up. I should have listened to her and continued going to her for my other services - you never know I could have had a head full of hair by now, lol

Btw, I am 4a/4b and the stylist admitted to not doing alot of AA hair but she said 'hair is hair' I went to beauty school and I can do anyone's hair. This might have been bravado on her end but she did do a good job on my hair and my mother's.

 

[jamaraa]

Kudos to her for at least trying to educate herself and being caring enough to defend black women. While her model may not represent all black women and our various hair types at least she was open minded enough to try.
Growing up in the midwest and living in the burbs I had my share of non black stylists and I have them range for being scared to death to being open minded. As I think back way, way, way back my experience with a good non black stylist netted me with a great hairstyle that was super soft and moisturized. It was strange because I thought I needed a relaxer touch up but was not going to let her do it because I really only wanted a cut. As I was telling her I probably needed to get a touch up before I came to her she said - no you don't you could go months without getting a touch up it will be better for your hair. I looked at her like, 'this white girl does not know what the heck she is talking about' - fast forward I find lhcf and the relaxed heads here say the same thing about stretching relaxers for a long time before getting a touch up. I should have listened to her and continued going to her for my other services - you never know I could have had a head full of hair by now, lol

Btw, I am 4a/4b and the stylist admitted to not doing alot of AA hair but she said 'hair is hair' I went to beauty school and I can do anyone's hair. This might have been bravado on her end but she did do a good job on my hair and my mother's.

Well hairstylists ARE trained in all sorts of hair types, but in real life, they probably don't do much AA hair if they are not AA (or the reverse). There's a simple reason for that...most AAs won't go to them. They do some Asian hair...sometimes, but when was the last time you saw an Asian chick w/ a bangin' cut?

 

[coconow2007]

Well hairstylists ARE trained in all sorts of hair types, but in real life, they probably don't do much AA hair if they are not AA (or the reverse). There's a simple reason for that...most AAs won't go to them. They do some Asian hair...sometimes, but when was the last time you saw an Asian chick w/ a bangin' cut?

Good points but I will have to disagree I have seen some Asian ladies with fierce cuts in Cali and here in AZ - I will assume that the Asian ladies in AZ go to white stylist in my area because where I live u can count on ur hands the number of black, asian, and other non-whites. I really think it depends on the stylist and how she wants to run her business. He or she will either get with the program and understand the ethnicities around them or stay sheltered and hope the world doesn't change.

 

[Irresistible]

I thanked all the posts I agreed with

that said

I cannot believe this chick is pro chemical services and SEVERELY ANTI-WEAVE all at the same time

 

[Irresistible]

oh and the little mama's hair is beautiful! wow

 

[CurlyMoo]

I think her heart is in the right place but I disagree with many parts of this video and a few of the points she made.

1) First off, I think little girls should grow up being completely content and happy with their hair texture the way it is, I think we should be doing styles for little girls that can be done with their natural born texture. There are SO many choices, Braids, Twists, flat twists, pixie braids/twists and straightening should be a temporary sometimes thing done here and there and it should be done gently.

I don't believe in putting little girls through permanent chemical processes before puberty. The very process of putting their hair through a straightening chemical process tells them that their natural texture is a "problem" that needs to be resolved. You don't have to tell kids something, they'll get it from your actions.

2) At one point she said "Little girls shouldn't be put in large braids because they'll sleep and it'll rub up against the pillow and their hair wont grow"

When she said that I was like uuuh NAH homie, not even, medium to large neat plaits are one of the healthiest growth retention promoting styles imaginable for highly textured hair, she REALLY came off uninformed when she said that. Plus almost EVERY black girl sleeps with a scarf so that whole rubbing against the pillow thing is a cultural nuance that just flew right on over her head lmao.

3) Then she said: "We all have bad hair until we learn to manage it"

Again, I think her hearts in the right place but there are better ways of getting the point across. She can say we all have good hair, we just have to learn to manage it, and the right techniques for our type of hair.

Finally, I totally agree with whitedaisez, that girl was bi-racial and barely had a wave to her hair, to do it on her hair and claim that that process is completely safe for all African-American hair is a joke. Most of us have hair in the 4 tightly coily range which is the furthest thing from what that little girls hair was like. She's a lovely little girl though and it did come out beautiful.

@ the bolded; how do you know she's bi-racial? I don't recall it being mentioned and her mother looks pretty Black to me. Don't know about dad though.

 

[ajoyfuljoy]

I think the stylist is doing a wonderful job of maintaining the girl's hair. It was very healthy, thick and long. I have not really seen a lot of children with thick, blunt hair like that (biracial or no). Not everybody will do like we do but if she has found a method that works for her clients I say more power to her. I like that she is passionate about our hair.

My mom relaxed me at seven but her maintenance was on point. My hair was thick, healthy and super long. It may be a controversial choice but it does work for some people (shrugs shoulders) and it is still and will be preferred by a lot of people.

Will I relax my child at 7? Hopefully not. But I'm not about to knock someone else that does and keeps the child's hair in excellent shape...not my place and it's not my business.

 

[luckiestdestiny]

I think her heart is in the right place but I disagree with many parts of this video and a few of the points she made.

1) First off, I think little girls should grow up being completely content and happy with their hair texture the way it is, I think we should be doing styles for little girls that can be done with their natural born texture. There are SO many choices, Braids, Twists, flat twists, pixie braids/twists and straightening should be a temporary sometimes thing done here and there and it should be done gently.

I don't believe in putting little girls through permanent chemical processes before puberty. The very process of putting their hair through a straightening chemical process tells them that their natural texture is a "problem" that needs to be resolved. You don't have to tell kids something, they'll get it from your actions.

2) At one point she said "Little girls shouldn't be put in large braids because they'll sleep and it'll rub up against the pillow and their hair wont grow"

When she said that I was like uuuh NAH homie, not even, medium to large neat plaits are one of the healthiest growth retention promoting styles imaginable for highly textured hair, she REALLY came off uninformed when she said that. Plus almost EVERY black girl sleeps with a scarf so that whole rubbing against the pillow thing is a cultural nuance that just flew right on over her head lmao.

3) Then she said: "We all have bad hair until we learn to manage it"

Again, I think her hearts in the right place but there are better ways of getting the point across. She can say we all have good hair, we just have to learn to manage it, and the right techniques for our type of hair.

Finally, I totally agree with whitedaisez, that girl was bi-racial and barely had a wave to her hair, to do it on her hair and claim that that process is completely safe for all African-American hair is a joke. Most of us have hair in the 4 tightly coily range which is the furthest thing from what that little girls hair was like. She's a lovely little girl though and it did come out beautiful.

I agree with everything you said except one thing. You think all black little girls sleep with a headscarf? No way! And what about the proper type? I don't see it. I used to have sleep overs and black girls were laying on pillows while I was tying my head up. And also others were using cotton headscarves. COTTON! My mom would've died. I didn't need lhcf for much except new conditioner and shampoo suggestions or trying new tips. My hair was long until I touched chems and even then it was at least arm pit (with the exception of getting grave's disease then it was so brittle I had to buzz it off and start over). But the reason I believe that was is that my mom told me stuff like use a wide tooth comb, tie your head with a silk or satin scarf only, detangle slowly, etc that not a lot of girls got.

This lady I think when talking about little girls w/ braided hair, my impression was her thinking it's rubbing on covers and snapping w/o headscarves which does happen.

 

[CurlyMoo]

I personally think it's too soon for that little girl to get her hair permanently and chemically straightened. However, it was only a matter of time before that little girl becomes a woman who goes to get her hair relaxed. Don't the majority of Black American women permanently straighten their hair or have done so in the past? So it stands to reason that this would be the likely future of this child. Given that mom doesn't want to deal with the child's natural hair, the little girl is subject to mom's decisions. And mom seems to have chosen a woman who think's positively of Black hair even if someone of what she said was suspect. Mom is very protective and was standing off to the side throughout the entire process.

 

[isabella09]

Great post! I absolutely agree with her (although not the part about doing it on a 6 year old), its fantastic to hear from such a well informed and knowledgeable stylist. I would go to her over a lot of the stylists I’ve been to! The little girl’s hair looked lovely.

 

[robot.]

But this child looks biracial and the stylist is doing the treatment on hair that is naturally NOT extremely curly. If she thinks that little girl's hair is the definition of extremely curly kinky hair, am afraid she needs to go back to beauty school. A majority of African Americans, Caribbeans and Africans have a 4a hair type. This treatment will not be as effective on them.

@ the bolded; how do you know she's bi-racial? I don't recall it being mentioned and her mother looks pretty Black to me. Don't know about dad though.

Right. That's what I'm wondering.

Why do you think she's biracial? erplexed Did they say so in the video? Is it because her texture is looser? You can't make assumptions like that, when you've seen women on this board with all kinds of textures coming from all kinds of backgrounds.

And the comment about her having wavy NG... look at the weight of all the straight hair on maybe a few inches of NG.

 

[MissBCurly]

smh at some of the comments...

 

[ChristmasCarol]

I really don't know what to think. On the one hand, the little girl's hair is gorgeous and after seeing so much chewed-up hair on little girls, I certainly think her mother is doing a good job. Can't argue with success.

On the other hand, it's a shame that we are driven to relaxers for young girls for ease of styling. I relaxed two of my daughters when they were young. Not 6, but too young. I didn't know any better...But now everyone is transitioning, thanks to LHCF!

Oh yeah, I don't know how anyone can say that the little girl is bi-racial. Even if she were, she obviously doesn't have type 1 or 2 hair, so I don't know why that would matter. Light skin does not = bi-racial.

 

[DivaD04]

that little girl has some BEEEAAAUUUTIFUL head of hair!

 

[SvelteVelvet]

OOOH the irony, the hypocrisy, the contradictions...I saw that video and I don't understand why people are assuming she's biracial. I believe this lady would know to call the girl biracial if she was but she said African-American. This isn't her first TR so her hair would be straight when wet but it was a bit thicker at the roots. But let a girl that looks like that mention that she's got some irish and native american in her and it's "Oh stop being EXTRA, you BLACK honey!" LOL I can't, I just can't.

Anyway, her hair looks very healthy, strong, and beautiful and I commend the stylist for educating herself to cater to the care of all hair types because so many of 'them' don't care to.

 

[Tamrin]

If it is a chemical what chemical is she using? I think the girl's hair is very healthy as opposed to other little girls' whose hair has been destroyed by sodium hydroxide.

 

[~*~ShopAholic~*~]

Well her hair is gorgeous. I wonder if this is like a Vigarol mixed with conditioner, LOL.

Alot of kids do sleep without bonnets or scarfs at night, I under stood what she meant by that. Some pple just take everything someone has to say about AA hair and run with it, and don't let a child be added to the equation. No matter what or how they say it somehow it's dissected.

 

[BlackMasterPiece]

@ the bolded; how do you know she's bi-racial? I don't recall it being mentioned and her mother looks pretty Black to me. Don't know about dad though.

Since thats the way the OP identified her, I was just going by what the OP said

 

[jamaraa]

Good points but I will have to disagree I have seen some Asian ladies with fierce cuts in Cali and here in AZ - I will assume that the Asian ladies in AZ go to white stylist in my area because where I live u can count on ur hands the number of black, asian, and other non-whites. I really think it depends on the stylist and how she wants to run her business. He or she will either get with the program and understand the ethnicities around them or stay sheltered and hope the world doesn't change.

Fat chance.

I live in the Midwest, so maybe this is true elsewhere, but NOT HERE. LOL...this philosophy has worked for most of the existance if the US and I expect it will continue to.

 

[jamaraa]

I thanked all the posts I agreed with

that said

I cannot believe this chick is pro chemical services and SEVERELY ANTI-WEAVE all at the same time

Yeah, kind of a contradiction, ya think?! I'm wondering why so many posters think she knows so much about Black hair given this.

 

[Hairsofab]

i dunno, i didnt like the video. dont get me wrong, the babys hair looked healthy and thick and what not. but i didnt like the fact that she said that doing a chemical process is "the best choice her mother could make". now i'm not a natural nazi, but wouldnt taking care of that child natural hair texture properly be the best choice? i also disagreed with her when she started talking about bad hair... i dunno, i gave the video the side eye personally... but the hair, again, does look very nice.

Yeah I felt the same way.

 

[Muse]

Here is what looks like a 4b that has had this treatment done: http://www.citycut.us/japanese-hair-straightening-7.htm

 

[cutenss]

If the mom feels like she can't style her daughters hair, then she should allow a professional to do it. Whether it be TR or a press n' curl. We have all seen the effects of mothers who DON'T know what they are doing. And to me that is more damaging. Straightening you hair does not mean that you don't embrace its natural texture. Kinky or coily hair does not equal Black Pride. JMHO

 

[Chevelure618]

I ran across that video too. I agree with what she says. And I think she did a great job on that girl's hair.

I had a white male hairdresser once who did a great job with my relaxers and really "Got it". It's not the color, just who informed people are.

 

[Almaz]

On of the contestants in the Move Good Hair was white and he almost one the show. But his clients at his shop seem to have the most hair. All his clients sayin

Chile hes got Growing hands

 

[Maracujá]

Nice result.

 

[bludaydreamr]

Yes it is. It PERMANENTLY loosens the hair texture, like a relaxer. Its supposedly not as damaging but still, I wouldnt do it to my hair.

Remember the stylist said it has to be done "properly". So there is no guarantee your hair is not going to come out without damage.

Also, the stylist to me doesn't seem to be very knowledgeable on African American hair like she claims she does. She needs to know that there are many African American hair types and this method is not supposed to be used on the extremely curly hair types.

But this child looks biracial and the stylist is doing the treatment on hair that is naturally NOT extremely curly. If she thinks that little girl's hair is the definition of extremely curly kinky hair, am afraid she needs to go back to beauty school. A majority of African Americans, Caribbeans and Africans have a 4a hair type. This treatment will not be as effective on them.

I have seen really good results with TR on AA and tightly coiled hair on a 2520 and the results were similar. I can not find the link to this site a one salon but I have seen it done on various hair textures. I have research this treatment and BKT and I have read that is not for AA but I have acutally seen in on AA hair and the results were great.

Here is what looks like a 4b that has had this treatment done: http://www.citycut.us/japanese-hair-straightening-7.htm

Thanks for posting this link.

I ran across that video too. I agree with what she says. And I think she did a great job on that girl's hair.

I had a white male hairdresser once who did a great job with my relaxers and really "Got it". It's not the color, just who informed people are.

ITA. I also had a 2520 male stylist that was hands down one of the best hairdressers I have ever had. He was married to an AA woman and he took care of her hair, and his biracial daugther. He was in a really small town in GA.

 

[oyveh]

I have been going to Hairs Talent for about a year now. Gina is very sensitive and knowledgeable about AA hair textures. She has worked at AA salons for most of her career. Her entire staff is well trained and comfortable with servicing people from around the globe.

I plan to get my first TR this January.