Mega Tek or Ovation? What if there was only one?

[Aggie]

hey all!

i spoke to a rep from ovation and she said that Ovation was created after that product and improved since human hair and horse hair are indeed different and need different ingredients to keep it healthy. And the proteins and amino acids that Ovation Cell Therapy has helps the acceleration of hair growth, strengthens it and rejuvenates it. She said she does know that people are using MT and are happy with it, and that the makers of MT is their parent company.

hope this helps some in their decision making

Yes I already knew this as I spoke to Carlee myself a few months ago about the OCT and the MT and she indicated to met that MT was originally formulated for human use and is still safe on humans hair and scalp however there are those who felt uncomfortable buying and using a pet labeled product on their hair and so they decided to branch off and create OCT specifically for human use. So you see, not all of us went in this with our eyes wide shut. I knew about the keratin content before purchasing but my relaxed 4a/b hair loves keratin so it was not a problem for me. However, there are many whose hair cannot handle keratin or much protein for that matter and it was a good idea to alert them about this.

Please see the link to the human cross over benefits chart:
http://www.valleyvet.com/Library/lib_24237_-Human Crossover_Benefits.pdf

Sorry this is a pdf file that I was unable to copy and paste here. If I find a way to do it, I will come back and place it in here. I don't want anyone not knowing what they are putting on their hair. So far it has proven to be safe for many of us that are using it. God Bless.

 

[Aggie]

Before MT/OCT blew up on this forum, when research was done, MT was found to be safe for use by humans, and was even administered to cancer patients who suffered hair loss through chemo. I haven't done a search recently to see if there are any changes but I know that now when you click on the human use link on the manufacturers page, it takes you to OCT.

Now, the makers of MT, who not only are lurking on this site but are also intelligent enough to know that marketing is everything and can smell a profit from thousands of miles away, came up with the same product in new packaging and added some hair softening ingredients such as castor oil which many already have in stock at home.

If any have gone through the entire OCT/MT original thread, you will learn that London Diva contacted the company with questions about both products trying to find out what the difference in the products are. The emails were never responded too. And also in the early days, many ladies called and were told that they are basically the same product but OCT was being marketed to humans.

Its just really a matter of convenience. You can get one that already has conditioners in it, or you can doctor yours up and add stuff to MT and get the same results. If you have a "lab" at home, then it may be better to just get the MT.

Just some info for those trying to decide.

I agree totally with the bolded.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Yes I already knew this as I spoke to Carlee myself a few months ago about the OCT and the MT and she indicated to met that MT was originally formulated for human use and is still safe on humans hair and scalp however there are those who felt uncomfortable buying and using a pet labeled product on their hair and so they decided to branch off and create OCT specifically for human use. So you see, not all of us went in this with our eyes wide shut. I knew about the keratin content before purchasing but my relaxed 4a/b hair loves keratin so it was not a problem for me. However, there are many whose hair cannot handle keratin or much protein for that matter and it was a good idea to alert them about this.

Please see the link to the human cross over benefits chart:
http://www.valleyvet.com/Library/lib_24237_-Human Crossover_Benefits.pdf

Sorry this is a pdf file that I was unable to copy and paste here. If I find a way to do it, I will come back and place it in here. I don't want anyone not knowing what they are putting on their hair. So far it has proven to be safe for many of us that are using it. God Bless.

Thank you, Aggie. There is so much information on these products...all one has to do is to do their homework and then make a decision if they want to use it or not. I've been using it since March and I've never been happier. My hair loves it, my scalp loves it and my husband loves it too!

Let me go and massage some on right now....

 

[bellezanegra826]

Yes I already knew this as I spoke to Carlee myself a few months ago about the OCT and the MT and she indicated to met that MT was originally formulated for human use and is still safe on humans hair and scalp however there are those who felt uncomfortable buying and using a pet labeled product on their hair and so they decided to branch off and create OCT specifically for human use. So you see, not all of us went in this with our eyes wide shut. I knew about the keratin content before purchasing but my relaxed 4a/b hair loves keratin so it was not a problem for me. However, there are many whose hair cannot handle keratin or much protein for that matter and it was a good idea to alert them about this.

Please see the link to the human cross over benefits chart:
http://www.valleyvet.com/Library/lib_24237_-Human Crossover_Benefits.pdf

Sorry this is a pdf file that I was unable to copy and paste here. If I find a way to do it, I will come back and place it in here. I don't want anyone not knowing what they are putting on their hair. So far it has proven to be safe for many of us that are using it. God Bless.

if OCT's parent company is MT, MT is safe for humans but marketed towards animals, and OCT was created so humans would feel comfortable using their products, did sales rep indicate why the makers of OCT felt the need to charge so much?

 

[Aggie]

Thank you sweetie and that means the world to me. I generally feel that if you dont take great risks with your hair you will never risk losing it at all (at least not by your own hand). Thats just how I feel. The risk/benefit ratio has to be weighed at all times. I never meant to come across as anything I was accused of. This product , when I found out it has Keratin and how much it was being used , had the red flags raised for me, plus already hearing about someone suffering a major set back with protein overload (She posted her thread just as I was learning about the products here) had me saying this may not be worth it. I have seen the growth , but simple suggestions that maybe using a horse/animal product (MT) that wasnt developed for humans might not be safe, and considering the ingredients of MT/OCT I felt the same results could be achieved more safely with correct use of Aphogee along with the commitment to do so, seemed make it all go downhill. The truth is I would just really hate to see anyone suffer huge major heartbreaking set backs with their hair,I have been there, and for this I am known, thus the overly unnecessary name calling directed at me, 'captain save a head' and then the ensuing badgering over the thread control and you know the one that always shows up instigating with the dead horse, well it all got a bit frustrating, and then I reacted poorly from there. But yes my initial intentions by proof of this thread, and my intentions all along were not to diss anyone, but yes to step up and maybe 'save some heads' , and you know what followed, I didnt handle it all the best way after being upset and alot of things didnt go so well after that!

but its over and I hope that for everyone using these products it truly works out for the best for all of them! I hate to see people take such risks, doesnt mean it wont turn out ok, its just that risk is still risk! I got accused of having a tone long before I had one, and when I did have one it was more just shere frustration at what happened here. Then I was wrong for directing it at everyone that uses this stuff. Some people had me playin right into their hand! making me look just as they wanted me to, by acting how I did from the upset! and for that I have regret! Lesson learned! Thank you to all who knew my true hearts intentions all along! and thank you for this sweetie! Thank you!!!!

Thank you Iris. I truly feel you are remorseful about this and it's good that we are all friends again.

It's sad but many people do not deep condition their hair using a moisturizing DC and they should when putting anything with these types of protein on their hair and many people don't know to do this and that was why there was a very strong support group in place for when questions and concerns like this come up. Reality is our type hair needs a whooooleeee lotta moisture than almost every other race/ethnicity and this is something we have to live with forever.

 

[Aggie]

if OCT's parent company is MT, MT is safe for humans but marketed towards animals, and OCT was created so humans would feel comfortable using their products, did sales rep indicate why the makers of OCT felt the need to charge so much?

Carlee did indicate that the OCT was priced higher because of the absolute indisputable fact that it really works. That was her only real reason for the jacked up prices. Oh and that many people did not want to buy and use a pet labeled product on their hair. I remember her clearly saying this. This was the one sentence that made me think that the products were virtually the same with some subtle changes/differences that makes the OCT a little more moisturizing than the MT.

 

[FlawedBeauty]

I'm sure you did already know it. It wasnt just for you. I was just tryin to help out. I am not implying that you didnt know, that it was unsafe, or that anyone was going in "eyes wide shut." I was just trying to help out.
You're welcome i guess erplexed Sheesh...

Yes I already knew this as I spoke to Carlee myself a few months ago about the OCT and the MT and she indicated to met that MT was originally formulated for human use and is still safe on humans hair and scalp however there are those who felt uncomfortable buying and using a pet labeled product on their hair and so they decided to branch off and create OCT specifically for human use. So you see, not all of us went in this with our eyes wide shut. I knew about the keratin content before purchasing but my relaxed 4a/b hair loves keratin so it was not a problem for me. However, there are many whose hair cannot handle keratin or much protein for that matter and it was a good idea to alert them about this.

Please see the link to the human cross over benefits chart:
http://www.valleyvet.com/Library/lib_24237_-Human Crossover_Benefits.pdf

Sorry this is a pdf file that I was unable to copy and paste here. If I find a way to do it, I will come back and place it in here. I don't want anyone not knowing what they are putting on their hair. So far it has proven to be safe for many of us that are using it. God Bless.

 

[KPH]

Please Jesus, not again.

 

[Aggie]

Please Jesus, not again.

Don't worry KPH, I won't respond as I did finish the post stating that it was a good idea to bring up the concern about the protein for those who didn't know what I already knew. I'm not here to argue, just to confirm that some persons were knowledgeable of these facts, however there are some who weren't and I'm glad that the concern was addressed. There is no need to get upset about that.

 

[Aggie]

I'm sure you did already know it. It wasnt just for you. I was just tryin to help out. I am not implying that you didnt know, that it was unsafe, or that anyone was going in "eyes wide shut." I was just trying to help out.
You're welcome i guess erplexed Sheesh...

Thank you honey. Sorry I offended you.

 

[explosiva9]

With OCT you are basically paying extra for the beautiful packaging that doesn't mention anything about pets/animals, and a few added moisturizers. so if you already have a "lab" at home, then just go with the MT. I have stalked some of your fotki's. I know that some of you can open your own bss and herb shop.

I need to get a Fotki. Maybe one day.

 

[Aggie]

With OCT you are basically paying extra for the beautiful packaging that doesn't mention anything about pets/animals, and a few added moisturizers. so if you already have a "lab" at home, then just go with the MT. I have stalked some of your fotki's. I know that some of you can open your own bss and herb shop.

I need to get a Fotki. Maybe one day.

Guilty as charged.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

If the cost wasn't a factor, I'd go for the Ovation, no doubt. I suspect that while the growth aspects of MT might be a bit better than OCT, I think that the Ovation line as a whole leaves your HAIR feeling better, overall.

Woo Wee Kiya, you broke it all the way down in your blog :wow: That was good!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

With OCT you are basically paying extra for the beautiful packaging that doesn't mention anything about pets/animals, and a few added moisturizers. so if you already have a "lab" at home, then just go with the MT. I have stalked some of your fotki's. I know that some of you can open your own bss and herb shop.

I need to get a Fotki. Maybe one day.

I guess I shouldn't mention what I added to my MT...well I'll tell you what I remember... Aloe gel, avocado oil, liquid horsetail extract, rosemary EO, & honeyquat. I never have a minute's dryness. I don't use it on the length of my hair, just on the scalp.

 

[PuffyBrown]

I am not ready to vote yet but...
I did get my MT and used for the first time last night.
My first impression of the product is in the MT/OCT Challenge thread so I wont be redundant.
I do want to say however that if MT is doing this than what is the OCT going to do? OM Gosh!. My hair is so so soft and feels very strong.. I love their rehydrant spray and will definately be keeping that.
I am definately going to try the OCT when this is done so that I can compare the difference.

 

[lexi84]

Bump...........

 

[jamaicalovely]

Bump...........

Love your hair, Lexi

 

[VinDieselsWifey]

bumping...

 

[Lavendar]

I know everyone isn't as silicone-sensitive as I am, but I would consider it a huge difference if one contained silicone and the other didn't. If I remember the ingredients correctly (which I may not), doesn't one contain silicone?

 

[JustKiya]

I know everyone isn't as silicone-sensitive as I am, but I would consider it a huge difference if one contained silicone and the other didn't. If I remember the ingredients correctly (which I may not), doesn't one contain silicone?

I know for certain that MT contains dimethicone copolyol (copolypol? I can't remember) - which is the only truly water soluable cone. I'm not sure about Ovation - maybe one of the ladies using it will chime in with the ingredients on their bottle.

My hair doesn't like cones either...I think this, and some Ojon I got that my hair was kinda over are the only products I use with cones in them.

I've jsut bumped up my clarifying (with baking soda in my usual con) a little, and I've had no issues.

 

[january noir]

I know everyone isn't as silicone-sensitive as I am, but I would consider it a huge difference if one contained silicone and the other didn't. If I remember the ingredients correctly (which I may not), doesn't one contain silicone?

Hi Lavendar! I checked my Cell Therapy and Creme Rinse and silicon is not listed as an ingredient unless it's know by other names. Did you go to their website?

 

[Kamilah]

Funny I recently saw an MTG thread where the OP neck was burned black! That thread had a few comments and quickly disappeared! Another thread about protein overload from these products and a few pages of support to see her through it and it also quickly disappears! but a thread on the growth ends up being like fifty eleven hundred pages! The same thing happened back in the day with Surge!

I'm juss sayin tho!

*Runnin* & ya'll cant catch me either!

The thing about the burning is more personal. Some people have VIOLENT allergic reactions to sulphur in its various forms. My sister (I KNOW you're reading this! ) had one to some med's the dermotologist put her on. It's a gamble. Just like with other topical/internal drugs STOP using it at the first adverse sign. Common sense.

 

[freshlikemoi]

This is fact, not an opinion.

Just because an ingredient is listed in a certain order, doesn't mean the same amount/concentration was used.

It's like kool-aid. My kool-aid recipe is (this is just an example)

4c water
1c sugar
1 packet koolaid

My sisters' recipe is

4c water
3c sugar
1 packet koolaid

The ingredients are in the same order because it's listed greatest to least. But my sisters' kool-aid will melt yo teef.

Same ingredients, different concentration.

I hope that made sense.....

This ish was soo funny.....

 

[SmartyPants]

Oh, I was only commenting on the Horse vs. Human...not the protein levels...so I think the sarcasm was a bit much. I know you are Captain Save a head but dang.

Basically she's in this thread starting the same sh*t she started that got the other thread closed. She's a troll. Just scroll on past her and hopefully like most trolls she go find something else to get her kicks with!

 

[Irresistible]

Basically she's in this thread starting the same sh*t she started that got the other thread closed. She's a troll. Just scroll on past her and hopefully like most trolls she go find something else to get her kicks with!

Ok this ish was over a long time ago, I guess you had to bring it back up though! look at the dates before you comment because it would be YOU who now would get this thread closed

I didnt make the moderators do nothing, they closed it because of personal comments and insults like this! They typically are not allowed on the board, and they werent made by me, so get the story straight and let things go that have been over!

 

[SmartyPants]

I know everyone isn't as silicone-sensitive as I am, but I would consider it a huge difference if one contained silicone and the other didn't. If I remember the ingredients correctly (which I may not), doesn't one contain silicone?

Lavender:

I am seriously drooling over the latest picture of your hair!!!

 

[aurora3140]

I say Megatek all the way.
Here are the ingredient differences.
Ovation:Deionized Water, Stearalkonium Chloride, Glyceryl Stearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG-40 Castor Oil, Cetrimonium Chloride, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Panthenol, Tocopheryl Acetate, DM DM Hydantoin, Methlparaben, Propylparaben, Tetrasodium EDTA, Frangrance

Mega-Tek Rebuilder:Deionized water, hydrolyzed keratin protein (HU), stearalkonium chloride, glyceryl stearate, peg 100 stearate (DI), marine protein (DI), peg 40 (no castor oil), panthenol, dimethicone copolyol (the one cone), magnesium citrate (DI), allantoin (DI), amino acids (DI), methylparaben, mucopolysaccharides (DI), polyparaben, imidazolidinyl urea (DI), fragrance
DI = Different ingredient AND HU = Higher up on the list

I noticed from these lists that MT has mucopolysaccharides while Ovation does not. Isn't this the ingredient in Surge that's supposed to cause the extra growth? That seals it. MT all the way for me!

ETA: Sorry. I just read through the thread, and this was mentioned earlier.

 

[Lebiya]

question:

Will diluting this with water and an oil decrease its effectiveness?
( MT I mean)

 

[poookie]

question:

Will diluting this with water and an oil decrease its effectiveness?
( MT I mean)

anything you dilute will be less effective. and to me, it doesn't make sense to add oil, because then how will it absorb into the scalp.

why would you want to dilute this?

 

[Aggie]

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