Mega Tek or Ovation? What if there was only one?

[fluffylocks]

Now this is just my opinion but I honestly think that even though all these products have a lot of the same ingredients, that does not equate to the same amount of each ingredient in each product or the quality thereof. The balance of each ingredient I believe changes to offer the better results in the more superior product - because the ingredients are of a more superior quality in the MT than other protein-based products seemingly containing the same ingredients. Does this make sense?

Oh okay, i get what your saying that makes perfect since....and i guess its better to go with something that you KNOW is going to work vs. something else because the ingrdients seem to be the same...

I was doing some more research though, and couldnt help but notice that keratin protien was the big thing in Surge 14 also Interesting huh?

Anyway, how thick is the OCT? Like water, a shampoo/conditoner, castor oil?

 

[Irresistible]

I swear I would just do Aphogee Treatments in moderation and call it a day!

Thats what i was asking in the big thead! The main ingredients in the ovation that seems to make it work are hydrolized keratin, and castor oil and vit. e & b.....and these ingredients start in the middle of the product

Aphogee keratin spray has hydrolized keratin as a second ingredient without all the ingredeints before...it may have vit e &b...but if not the only thing its missing in comparison to ovation is castor oil, and vit. e &b which can easily be added and its like $5 at sallys vs. $20-and more and ordering online

I was also thinking about how alot of the growth aids seem to be in the same family...all have sulfur are come from it or form it...amino acids, vitamin b's, protien (and how people get big growth spurts from taking these things internally as well)

And products that help make the scalp clean (Miconazloe nitrate or daily washing)...and stimulating products (or daily massaging)


This is what i posted....

"How concentrated is the Ovation?

Does anyone think the Aphogee keratin & Green Tea would increase hair growth?

Seems likethe only thing its missing is castor oil and possible vit e & b


Aphogee keratin: Water, Hydrolyzed Keratin,Hydrolyzed Silk (aminod acids), Green Tea (Camellia Sinensis) Extract (possibly vit. e & b), Glycine Alanine (amino acids), Cocamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine( mild surfacant, cleansing proerties), Cetrimonium Chloride (anti-static), PVP( Various reasons), Citric Acid (presertative, ph adjuster), Fragrance, FD&C Red #40, D&C Green #5, FD&C Yellow #6

Ovation:Deionized Water, Stearalkonium Chloride (Anti-static), Glyceryl Stearate (emulsifyer), Cetearyl Alcohol (emulsfyer), PEG-40 Castor Oil (Aphogee is missing) , Cetrimonium Chloride (anti-static), Hydrolyzed Keratin, Panthenol, Tocopheryl Acetate (vit. e & b, aphogee may be missing)), DM DM Hydantoin (Preserative), Methlparaben (preserative) , Propylparaben (preserative) , Tetrasodium EDTA(water softner), Frangrance "
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I was hoping i wouldnt start an uproar with that but no-one answred instead LOL

 

[JerriBlank]

Daaammmn Kiya!!

You broke it down on your blog!!

I ordered the Megatek cause i'm cheap,and i would be pissed if i had shelled that money for that oct and it didn't work

So i got my Mega Tek and i'm getting my mom some too cause her hair is long,and it grows fast,but her edges have been giving her problems from a bad relaxer job...so i'll take starting shots of both of us.

But i'm doing the damn mega tek thing

 

[MzOptimistic]

I'm so confused also because Keratin is one of the stronger proteins that can really do great damage when used too much

and I dont see anything that special in the other ingredients that you cant get from usual conditioners, leave in's or castor oil

what am I missing?

anyone ended up with hard/dry/brittle hair from the protein? and how, if not, is it being avoided?

whats would be the difference between this and just using like Aphogee , dont crucify me ya'll! I just aint gettin it!

See, that's the problem right there

http://www.easypetstore.com/Mega-Tek...pr-151702.html $24.15 shipping included! You know you wanna

 

[SelfStyled]

Thats what i was asking in the big thead! The main ingredients in the ovation that seems to make it work are hydrolized keratin, and castor oil and vit. e & b.....and these ingredients start in the middle of the product

Aphogee keratin spray has hydrolized keratin as a second ingredient without all the ingredeints before...it may have vit e &b...but if not the only thing its missing in comparison to ovation is castor oil, and vit. e &b which can easily be added and its like $5 at sallys vs. $20-and more and ordering online

I was also thinking about how alot of the growth aids seem to be in the same family...all have sulfur are come from it or form it...amino acids, vitamin b's, protien (and how people get big growth spurts from taking these things internally as well)

And products that help make the scalp clean (Miconazloe nitrate or daily washing)...and stimulating products (or daily massaging)


This is what i posted....

"How concentrated is the Ovation?

Does anyone think the Aphogee keratin & Green Tea would increase hair growth?

Seems likethe only thing its missing is castor oil and possible vit e & b


Aphogee keratin: Water, Hydrolyzed Keratin,Hydrolyzed Silk (aminod acids), Green Tea (Camellia Sinensis) Extract (possibly vit. e & b), Glycine Alanine (amino acids), Cocamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine( mild surfacant, cleansing proerties), Cetrimonium Chloride (anti-static), PVP( Various reasons), Citric Acid (presertative, ph adjuster), Fragrance, FD&C Red #40, D&C Green #5, FD&C Yellow #6

Ovation:Deionized Water, Stearalkonium Chloride (Anti-static), Glyceryl Stearate (emulsifyer), Cetearyl Alcohol (emulsfyer), PEG-40 Castor Oil (Aphogee is missing) , Cetrimonium Chloride (anti-static), Hydrolyzed Keratin, Panthenol, Tocopheryl Acetate (vit. e & b, aphogee may be missing)), DM DM Hydantoin (Preserative), Methlparaben (preserative) , Propylparaben (preserative) , Tetrasodium EDTA(water softner), Frangrance "
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I was hoping i wouldnt start an uproar with that but no-one answred instead LOL

I'll take a stab, and say for what it's worth- that I think the Aphogee Keratin could work. Also the Aphogee 2 min reconstructor- although that one has mineral oil(the debil for some). A couple of weeks ago I thought the same thing and was using the Aphogee 2 minutes for all of 2 weeks. I couldn't keep out of the MT/OCT thread and eventually I bought into the hype. And you know what I am so glad that I did.

The Aphogee 2 minutes has mineral oil and after I weighed the odds I started to feel uncomfortable with using mineral oil on my scalp.

Everyone's situation is different though. I think it was easy for me to jump on the bandwagon because I saw all the proof and evidence that these ladies were having. So no one can say that the Aphogee won't work, you just might have to be the trial subject.

I don't think you can go wrong with either Ovation or MT- they both work if the user actually uses them.

The thing for me as other posters have noted is that the MT really does have a great deal of Keratin, and my hair is protein sensitive. I am coming back from a setback of being overprocessed last Aug, and I did not want to set myself up for another setback. So for me it was worth the extra money to spend on OCT because I did not have the SAA or Honeyquat that I thought would be ideal to mix into the MT and would have had to purchase those items as well.

I also wanted to start low and go slow, I am like that with everything, vitamins etc. But after using OCT for a month now, I would consider alternating with an MT mix, now that I am armed with knowledge of using this product. I would do the Nice&Wavy technique and alternate one application OCT the next application MT.

One more thing the OCT may be pricey, but it does last. I have 3/4 of a bottle still left or at least another 3 months worth of applications out of it. So you are paying up front for a product that will last.

I can honestly say that OCT is the only growth aid that has ever worked for me. I am never giving up OCT but I will consider supplementing with MT.

I really like the discussion in this thread.

 

[Irresistible]

See, that's the problem right there

http://www.easypetstore.com/Mega-Tek...pr-151702.html $24.15 shipping included! You know you wanna

Wha?

I mean really Keratin is Keratin so why would I get it?

hush gurl, I aint gettin it

 

[Aggie]

Oh okay, i get what your saying that makes perfect since....and i guess its better to go with something that you KNOW is going to work vs. something else because the ingrdients seem to be the same...

I was doing some more research though, and couldnt help but notice that keratin protien was the big thing in Surge 14 also Interesting huh?

Anyway, how thick is the OCT? Like water, a shampoo/conditoner, castor oil?

The OCT is thick like a moisturizing deep conditioner and smells quite yummy. I have both the OCT and the MT. I used Aphogee and surge weekly for several months and I haven't gotten the same results as I am with the Mega Tek rebuilder which I've only been using for 5 weeks so far. My hair is thickening, softening, strengthening and growing all at the same time with MT. I really do believe that the infredients in the MT and OCT are of a more superior quality and strength than aphogee 2 minute keratin reconstructor. Don't get me wrong though, I still love and use aphogee sparingly.

 

[Aggie]

I'm so confused also because Keratin is one of the stronger proteins that can really do great damage when used too much

and I dont see anything that special in the other ingredients that you cant get from usual conditioners, leave in's or castor oil

what am I missing?

anyone ended up with hard/dry/brittle hair from the protein? and how, if not, is it being avoided?

whats would be the difference between this and just using like Aphogee , dont crucify me ya'll! I just aint gettin it!

Girl not everything is for everyone. We won't crucify you for wanting to use something else. You go girl, use your aphogee, ain't nobody here gon' crucify you. My hair is not hard or brittle at all from the MT and I am an avid user of deep conditioners and drink lots of water and these two things have been very helpful.

 

[Irresistible]

Girl not everything is for everyone. We won't crucify you for wanting to use something else. You go girl, use your aphogee, ain't nobody here gon' crucify you. My hair is not hard or brittle at all from the MT and I am an avid user of deep conditioners and drink lots of water and these two things have been very helpful.

Girl you sure?

nah I cant even use strong proteins they REALLY dont work for me. I have already had the dreaded Protein overload and that last time took months to get my hair back. I gotta stay away from it. Its forbidden for me!

The only protein I'm using is silk or wheat I cant hang with Keratin

 

[MzOptimistic]

Wha?

I mean really Keratin is Keratin so why would I get it?

hush gurl, I aint gettin it

 

[Spidergul]

The OCT is thick like a moisturizing deep conditioner and smells quite yummy. I have both the OCT and the MT. I used Aphogee and surge weekly for several months and I haven't gotten the same results as Iam with the Mega Tek rebuilder which I've only been using for 5 weeks so far. My hair is thickening, softening, strengthening and growing all at the same time with MT. I really do believe that the infredients in the MT and OCT are of a more superior quality and strength than aphogee 2 minute keratin reconstructor. Don't get me wrong though, I still love and use aphogee sparingly.

I am late to the game. I purchased the MT and used it all over like a conditioner. I read in this thread you are only supposed to be using it on the scalp, is that correct? Like hair grease?erplexed

 

[bellezanegra826]

Ok I just hopped on the bandwagon literally 30 seconds ago and ordered some MT. I hope I see some results or I'm going to throw this mess at the next horse I see.

eta: what is the max amount of times per week that I should use MT?

 

[tapioca_pudding]

Now this is just my opinion but I honestly think that even though all these products have a lot of the same ingredients, that does not equate to the same amount of each ingredient in each product or the quality thereof. The balance of each ingredient I believe changes to offer the better results in the more superior product - because the ingredients are of a more superior quality in the MT than other protein-based products seemingly containing the same ingredients. Does this make sense?

This is fact, not an opinion.

Just because an ingredient is listed in a certain order, doesn't mean the same amount/concentration was used.

It's like kool-aid. My kool-aid recipe is (this is just an example)

4c water
1c sugar
1 packet koolaid

My sisters' recipe is

4c water
3c sugar
1 packet koolaid

The ingredients are in the same order because it's listed greatest to least. But my sisters' kool-aid will melt yo teef.

Same ingredients, different concentration.

I hope that made sense.....

 

[Irresistible]

Ok I just hopped on the bandwagon literally 30 seconds ago and ordered some MT. I hope I see some results or I'm going to throw this mess at the next horse I see.

eta: what is the max amount of times per week that I should use MT?

This is another horse product?

 

[bellezanegra826]

This is another horse product?

yep its a horse, cat, dog, and human product lol. i'm going to start neying between this and the mtg

 

[Irresistible]

This is fact, not an opinion.

Just because an ingredient is listed in a certain order, doesn't mean the same amount/concentration was used.

It's like kool-aid. My kool-aid recipe is (this is just an example)

4c water
1c sugar
1 packet koolaid

My sisters' recipe is

4c water
3c sugar
1 packet koolaid

The ingredients are in the same order because it's listed greatest to least. But my sisters' kool-aid will melt yo teef.

Same ingredients, different concentration.

I hope that made sense.....

The thing is how could it be that across the board more of the same thing thats in Aphogee actually even be better!? Concentration variations are understood by most in that it can make a product different. But by the same token, That Actually can be a very bad bad thing!

well as long as its working for ya'll. Some have already had protein overload and Protein overload is not pretty , it can cause a MAJOR set back! Just be careful ladies!

I have nothing vested in asking the questions and trying to make it make sense because across the board Keratin is Keratin and regular use of that has only spelled trouble for me. Are there naturals using these products regularly?

 

[amara11]

The Mega Tek / Ovation thread has really sparked some
serious hair growth and really has me going. I have jumped on and I ordered some last night.

I sat up all night reading that entire thread plus the one for the update and the shedding. I did not see a poll for preferences. I think that would help some people who have never tried it decide because that thread was LONG.

So, If you could only choose one and only one of the prouducts, without cost being a factor, which would you choose and why?

Which threads? Could you post the links, or someone tell me the titles?? I'm going to have to do a thorough read through b/c reading this thread has me soooo lost! lmao

 

[Irresistible]

Which threads? Could you post the links, or someone tell me the titles?? I'm going to have to do a thorough read through b/c reading this thread has me soooo lost! lmao

its a sticky at the top of the front page with like 3-4 thousand posts or more by now, thats why I am just learning about it in this lil ole thread ri hea!

 

[Irresistible]

yep its a horse, cat, dog, and human product lol. i'm going to start neying between this and the mtg

ya'll horse hair and other animal fur is nothing like our hair

 

[Irresistible]

Funny I recently saw an MTG thread where the OP neck was burned black! That thread had a few comments and quickly disappeared! Another thread about protein overload from these products and a few pages of support to see her through it and it also quickly disappears! but a thread on the growth ends up being like fifty eleven hundred pages! The same thing happened back in the day with Surge!

I'm juss sayin tho!

*Runnin* & ya'll cant catch me either!

 

[senimoni]

Ovation actually isn't a horse product, Mega Tek is though.

 

[Irresistible]

Ovation actually isn't a horse product, Mega Tek is though.

That would settle the whole question of thread!

problem would be solved *just like that* (finga snap) for me

 

[PuffyBrown]

Which threads? Could you post the links, or someone tell me the titles?? I'm going to have to do a thorough read through b/c reading this thread has me soooo lost! lmao

It is the Ovation challeng Sticky and inside that is a link for all of the updates.

 

[Irresistible]

I am late to the game. I purchased the MT and used it all over like a conditioner. I read in this thread you are only supposed to be using it on the scalp, is that correct? Like hair grease?erplexed

Somebody help her

Is it bad to put it all through your hair?

 

[PuffyBrown]

Okay, I got confused somewhere. On the Aphogee(sp) issue. I did not know they had a Keratin product that you could leave in. It was my understanding that the OCT and the MT product could be left in. I think someone has even stated that they leave it in and co-wash every other day. Now I though the Aphogee was a MUST to rinse. Can somebody shed a little light on how this could be that one Keratin product does not have to be rinsed out and the other one does?

 

[senimoni]

OK, we just finished saying that it had all the same ingredients as some other human Keratin product. I'm confused at the tone but ok.

 

[Irresistible]

Okay, I got confused somewhere. On the Aphogee(sp) issue. I did not know they had a Keratin product that you could leave in. It was my understanding that the OCT and the MT product could be left in. I think someone has even stated that they leave it in and co-wash every other day. Now I though the Aphogee was a MUST to rinse. Can somebody shed a little light on how this could be that one Keratin product does not have to be rinsed out and the other one does?

This my whole point is that it could be very scary and risky to leave Keratin in your hair!

now I understand people are working it how they are working it and thats cool and everything. But this could still lead to protein overload and it can happen at your roots too, as with anything it is going to depend on that person's hair and what they can tolerate! I see this as risky stuff! But for those that are getting good growth out of it! Congrats! Continue to be careful and the poster that had protein overload didnt eliminate other protein products from her regimen , read your labels and while using this leave all other protein products alone!

again just be careful ladies, trying to get growth quickly is not worth risking your precious tresses to a major set back

even its not left in if its used more often than every single other protein product is suggested to be used I still see it as risky! I am not saying it cant work for some, I am simply saying its risky and I myself would not want to take such risks , thats all, nothing more, nothing less!

seems more simple to me to just do the usual protein treatments which is why Aphogee was brought up. Seems much safer to me

but you know I dont want to get crucified for expressing concern about the risks with this! Because it aint for me, I dont and wont use this stuff

its about ya'll being safe with this stuff and making your decisions based on facts not a Hair growth aide or spurt! you gotta be aware of exactly what your doing and at what possible costs! I just learned more about these products here in this thread, so I asked questions that made sense for me to ask and came to my conclusions with the information given. thats all!

imo this is highly risky to lead to protein overload!

 

[Irresistible]

OK, we just finished saying that it had all the same ingredients as some other human Keratin product. I'm confused at the tone but ok.

There is no tone, I just dont understand taking such risks with hardcore protein and leaving it in

and I was saying I ,myself would pick the product for human (formulated for such) hands down if 'I' were to pick between the two , thats all!

 

[senimoni]

Oh, I was only commenting on the Horse vs. Human...not the protein levels...so I think the sarcasm was a bit much. I know you are Captain Save a head but dang.

 

[nodisrespect]

I keep getting excited to see this thread bumped up, thinking people are talking about a product I'm about to purchase, but it keeps being about Aphogee... can we maybe get a spin off thread for the Aphogee keratin concerns? I mean, if you don't want to buy a "horse" product... don't?

Could anyone shed any light on the issues of whether to use Megatek only on the scalp or not, and how frequently?