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[faithVA]

I say protein. Not the heavy kind. Giovanni's the one without the cone in it, or millcreek botanicals or ion.

Wait a minute. What do you moisturize and seal with?

You need to dc with a dc not a regular conditioner. I am too tired to find the link but Dc's are made differently from regular conditioners.

As far as the protein conditioners go, do you ever use them?

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Dang you fast. You said what i was going to say or did say after you

 

[APrayer4Hair]

I say protein. Not the heavy kind. Giovanni's the one without the cone in it, or millcreek botanicals or ion.

Wait a minute. What do you moisturize and seal with?
Kinky Curly Knot today or Uncle Funky's Daughter Good Hair. Been using the UFD as of late.

You need to dc with a dc not a regular conditioner. I am too tired to find the link but Dc's are made differently from regular conditioners. I ave the worst time trying to find DCs. I have Silk Elements DC but didn't really notice any benefits... Silicon mix worked well when I was relaxed. maybe I can give that a try again.

As far as the protein conditioners go, do you ever use them?
Sporadically. I have AO GPB.

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Are you low porosity? I believe so. some products just sit on my hair.

How often do you clarify?
I last clarified about 1 week ago. I don't do it on schedule.

How often do you do a protein treatment?
idk....I'm beginning to think this is the problem


And as nice as Giovanni SAS is, I don't believe it is a deep conditioner. It is more of a daily rinse out conditioner.

 

[HanaKuroi]

Dang you fast. You said what i was going to say or did say after you

I say great minds think alike.

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[HanaKuroi]

Don't use any cones.

Kcnt is a leave-in not a moisturizer.

U need something like Qhemets brbc or oyin hair dew and seal with jbco or a pomade.

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[faithVA]

APrayer4Hair[/USER];18012087]

Why are you in jail?

I wasn't doing protein either because I couldn't figure it out. I still don't have it down but it's better. Since you like Giovanni products, try Giovanni NutraFix for a protein treatment.

You still need a real DC. Aubrey Organics is a good place to start. And if you are low porosity, try the White Camellia. The others may be too heavy.

After you rinse your conditioner, baggy for 15 minutes to let the water absorb into your strands before you start your process.

Even though low porosity hair needs protein it doesn't like a lot of it. And from what I read ecostylers have protein which you are using every day. So I'm not sure if you have too much protein with the ecostyler or not enough.

And since I don't WNG, I'm not sure how to tell you to seal.

 

[faithVA]

Don't use any cones.

Kcnt is a leave-in not a moisturizer.

U need something like Qhemets brbc or oyin hair dew and seal with jbco or a pomade.

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If she is low porosity she may not be able to do this. She may end up with a greasy head. Definitely agree with the cones.

 

[HanaKuroi]

If she is low porosity she may not be able to do this. She may end up with a greasy head. Definitely agree with the cones.

I don't know much about low porosity. I don't know about my own hair's porosity. I did the water test once but then I read that it is inaccurate.

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[faithVA]

I don't know much about low porosity. I don't know about my own hair's porosity. I did the water test once but then I read that it is inaccurate.

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Based on the type of products your hair seems to like, I would say that your hair is normal porosity. I don't use the water test either. Usually a low porosity person can tell because they apply products to their hair and it just sits there. Doesn't matter whether it is conditioner, moisturizer or oil. It sits on the surface.

So when they try to use heavy products they don't work. For normal porosity hair, it will usually soak into the strands.

 

[APrayer4Hair]

Don't use any cones.

I avoid cones as much as possible. Will take another look.

Kcnt is a leave-in not a moisturizer.

I know, I know...

U need something like Qhemets brbc or oyin hair dew and seal with jbco or a pomade.

Ill take a look at qhemets. The UFD is a similar consistency to oyin.

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10 characters?!

 

[APrayer4Hair]

Why are you in jail? Because I should know better.

I wasn't doing protein either because I couldn't figure it out. I still don't have it down but it's better. Since you like Giovanni products, try Giovanni NutraFix for a protein treatment. I'll def try the nutrafix. I love Giovanni.

You still need a real DC. Aubrey Organics is a good place to start. And if you are low porosity, try the White Camellia. The others may be too heavy.
I hated the HSR. I'll give WC a shot.

After you rinse your conditioner, baggy for 15 minutes to let the water absorb into your strands before you start your process.
Interesting...

Even though low porosity hair needs protein it doesn't like a lot of it. And from what I read ecostylers have protein which you are using every day. So I'm not sure if you have too much protein with the ecostyler or not enough.
I only put Eco on my edges if I'm using it. Never on the length.

And since I don't WNG, I'm not sure how to tell you to seal.

I'm sitting here with GPB mixed with Megatek on my head right now. We'll see if this helps.

 

[faithVA]

So I have midshaft splits which isn't surprising. It's really hard working with my hair at this length. My shrinkage is off the chain, so trying to do any style is tough. So I am going to try ION protein every 2 weeks to see if I can keep the splits under control and then dust every 6 to 8 weeks.

I've been reading up on midshaft splits and the reading encourages obviously not manipulating the hair so much and not overstretching it, along with the obvious things of being gentle while manipulating. I can choose a style which only reguires weekly manipulation but then my scalp is mad at me. Or I can cowash 2x to 3x a week where my scalp is happy but then I have to manipulate it more. So for right now my scalp wins out until it is healthier. So to reduce the manipulation I will be wearing puffs for a while. And to stretch my hair out at night, I will be doing a bantu knot/pin curl thingee to keep it stretched at least a little bit.

Let's see if this works better. It's worth a try.

 

[Cruzankink]

So I have midshaft splits which isn't surprising. It's really hard working with my hair at this length. My shrinkage is off the chain, so trying to do any style is tough. So I am going to try ION protein every 2 weeks to see if I can keep the splits under control and then dust every 6 to 8 weeks.

I've been reading up on midshaft splits and the reading encourages obviously not manipulating the hair so much and not overstretching it, along with the obvious things of being gentle while manipulating. I can choose a style which only reguires weekly manipulation but then my scalp is mad at me. Or I can cowash 2x to 3x a week where my scalp is happy but then I have to manipulate it more. So for right now my scalp wins out until it is healthier. So to reduce the manipulation I will be wearing puffs for a while. And to stretch my hair out at night, I will be doing a bantu knot/pin curl thingee to keep it stretched at least a little bit.

Let's see if this works better. It's worth a try.

faithVA Were you able to see your splits w/ the naked eye? Did you have to stretch your hair in order to see them?

 

[faithVA]

Cruzankink[/USER];18014669]faithVA Were you able to see your splits w/ the naked eye? Did you have to stretch your hair in order to see them?

I couldn't see a thing. I took the shed hair from wash day and looked at 5 pieces. Then I look at shed hair from this morning.


So if you are able to do it let me know how you did it.

 

[DarkJoy]

Aww sorry faith. Are you using Combs? I heard they can create them too. Which is why seamless is so pushed here.

 

[faithVA]

Aww sorry faith. Are you using Combs? I heard they can create them too. Which is why seamless is so pushed here.

My combs are seamless. I have them dang ol hairsense combs or whatever they are.

It's just something I will have to live with until my hair is long enough to put into 2 strand twists regularly. These are probably just from the manipulation I am doing because my hair is short and I'm trying to work on my scalp.

 

[gn1g]

Type: 3c. fine transitioning to natural for a year.
Style: updos french rolls and buns
Regiment: Wash every 2 weeks prepoo with oil, henna once a month, tea rinses and grease my scalp 2 times a week. Moisturizer: My hair loves HE hello hydration, I use skala ceremide poo, and I use babasu oil or sunflower oil as an oil rinse or prepoo. grease my scalp with the green dax. I really like rooibos tea as a rinse but it dries my scalp out however there is no shedding. I use green teas, orange teas and a variety of other good teas according to their properties as a rinse. For protein Tx I use Duo-Tex or henna treatment mixed with honey, babasu oil, hello hydration, cocoa and orange tea for the color. On very rare occassions maybe once a year I will also use Nexxus Polymedic - Emergency Reconstructor.

My problem: shedding and split scraggly ends.
the very reason I came to this site is because of excess shedding, which I still have that problem. If I wash it too often it sheds, After one week it starts to shed excessively. No matter what treatments I try it shedds and the ends seems to split immediately. I've tried sew-ins which seem to be a no-no for fine hair, when I take the sew in down seems that I loose a bag of my own hair.

 

[faithVA]

gn1g[/USER];18015401]Type: 3c. fine transitioning to natural for a year.
Style: updos french rolls and buns
Regiment: Wash every 2 weeks prepoo with oil, henna once a month, tea rinses and grease my scalp 2 times a week. Moisturizer: My hair loves HE hello hydration, I use skala ceremide poo, and I use babasu oil or sunflower oil as an oil rinse or prepoo. grease my scalp with the green dax. I really like rooibos tea as a rinse but it dries my scalp out however there is no shedding. I use green teas, orange teas and a variety of other good teas according to their properties as a rinse. For protein Tx I use Duo-Tex or henna treatment mixed with honey, babasu oil, hello hydration, cocoa and orange tea for the color. On very rare occassions maybe once a year I will also use Nexxus Polymedic - Emergency Reconstructor.

My problem: shedding and split scraggly ends.
the very reason I came to this site is because of excess shedding, which I still have that problem. If I wash it too often it sheds, After one week it starts to shed excessively. No matter what treatments I try it shedds and the ends seems to split immediately. I've tried sew-ins which seem to be a no-no for fine hair, when I take the sew in down seems that I loose a bag of my own hair.

Can't help with the shedding. I do have some questions about the splits.

What do you use for your moisturizing DC? and how often are you DCing? How often do you do your protein treatment.

When was your last trim? And how soon after your trim did you start to see splits?

What are you securing your bun/french roll with?

 

[gn1g]

Can't help with the shedding. I do have some questions about the splits.

What do you use for your moisturizing DC? and how often are you DCing? How often do you do your protein treatment.

When was your last trim? And how soon after your trim did you start to see splits?

What are you securing your bun/french roll with?

I deep condition everytime I wash however not with hear, usually use the Olive oil replenshing packs. Protein treatments once or twice a month in the form of henna or duo-tex.

I trim every 2 months.

my buns with and ouchless ban and french rolls with bobby pins.


what can be done to prevent mid-shaft split?
can a chelating poo do the same thing as the terressential mud detox?

 

[faithVA]

gn1g[/USER];18015639]

I deep condition everytime I wash however not with hear, usually use the Orrs packet reconstructor. Protein treatments once or twice a month in the form of henna or duo-tex.

I trim every 2 months.

my buns with and ouchless ban and french rolls with bobby pins.


what can be done to prevent mid-shaft split?
can a chelating poo do the same thing as the terressential mud detox?

I'm still missing what you are using for your moisturizing DC. Are you DCing with the Olive Oil? With the amount of protein you are using, you may want to use something more moisturizing and without protein in it as your moisturizing DC. The Olive Oil pak has collagen as well as some cones. You may no be getting enough moisture to your hair to handle the protein.

Usually its best to do a moisturizing DC after your protein treatment. But if you are using the Olive Oil after the DuoText or the Henna, then you are just putting protein on top of protein.

 

[gn1g]

I'm still missing what you are using for your moisturizing DC. Are you DCing with the Olive Oil? With the amount of protein you are using, you may want to use something more moisturizing and without protein in it as your moisturizing DC. The Olive Oil pak has collagen as well as some cones. You may no be getting enough moisture to your hair to handle the protein.

Usually its best to do a moisturizing DC after your protein treatment. But if you are using the Olive Oil after the DuoText or the Henna, then you are just putting protein on top of protein.

I always follow the protein with a moisturizing conditioner. Usually the Hello Hydration or Kenra moisturizer.

 

[faithVA]

I always follow the protein with a moisturizing conditioner. Usually the Hello Hydration or Kenra moisturizer.

Hello Hydration isn't a deep conditioner. The Kenra is ok though.

I do think your moisture/protein is off. But I'm not familiar enough with the products you are using to tell you which way you are out of balance. Since you are transitioning it's a little harder. You have too much protein for a natural, but it may be fine for you as a transitioner.

Any transitioners? relaxed ladies in here?

 

[faithVA]

what can be done to prevent mid-shaft split?
can a chelating poo do the same thing as the terressential mud detox?

Mid-shaft splits happen at weak points in the hair. So for curly hair that is everywhere you have a curl. Chemicals and manipulation weaken hair.

Reducing the stretching and manipulation of hair is the best prevention.
Finger Detangling, then seamless combs
Protective, low manipulation styles
Not overstretching the hair/pulling it straight


The mudwash would be more like a clarifier. I don't know if it chelates or not. I've never used a chelating shampoo so not sure.

 

[HanaKuroi]

Hello Hydration :water, stearyl alcohol, cyclopentasiloxane, cetyl alcohol, stearamidopropyl dimethylamine, dimethicone, vanilla planifolia fruit extract, cocos nucifera (coconut) milk, fragrance, glutamic acid, benzyl alcohol, edta, methylchloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazolinone, blue 1

It has dimethicone. Clarify and stay away from cones. The ors has cones too. Also, the ingredients aren't very good in that Hello Hydration.

gn1g

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[DarkJoy]

Adding to the ladies gn1g I use henna and though it acts like a protein it is not a protein. I found my hair was starved for it after a while.

I am also a tea head. And fine haired heavy shedder. Nettle and Burdock mixed equally stopped my shed immediately. I mix equal parts and steep for just 15 min. Then put my DC on top for am hour. Does the trick.

 

[faithVA]

Adding to the ladies gn1g I use henna and though it acts like a protein it is not a protein. I found my hair was starved for it after a while.

I am also a tea head. And fine haired heavy shedder. Nettle and Burdock mixed equally stopped my shed immediately. I mix equal parts and steep for just 15 min. Then put my DC on top for am hour. Does the trick.

Yes, I forgot about that. I used henna for a year Did nothing for my damaged hair. Used ION Reconstructor my hair is turning around. I think saying that henna and coconut oil work like proteins are misleading. But I guess for some people it can make the hair feel stronger.

I am going to try that nettle and burdock. I am a heavy shedder as well. But it seems to be less than before.

 

[HanaKuroi]

I need to go and look but it seems the QB brbc has nettle too. Something I use often has nettle and burdock root. Brb

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[Cruzankink]

I couldn't see a thing. I took the shed hair from wash day and looked at 5 pieces. Then I look at shed hair from this morning.

So if you are able to do it let me know how you did it.

faithVA How then do you know its mid-shaft splits and not something else? I know after you hair analysis you BC a 2nd time. Did it not get all the damage out?

 

[HanaKuroi]

The Qhemets Biologics burdock root butter cream has burdock and nettle as the first two ingredients.

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[faithVA]

faithVA How then do you know its mid-shaft splits and not something else? I know after you hair analysis you BC a 2nd time. Did it not get all the damage out?

I spoke with the person over the phone and described my hair to her and she said that's a mid-shaft split. She said on my hair as the split grows it, it makes it look like the ends are bushy and trimming doesn't straighten it out because I haven't gotten to the base of the split. So I sent her a sample of hair and she confirmed it.

When I BCd I did get all of the heat damage, but as it is growing out I am still damaging it. So catch 22. Unfortunately with my analysis, because my hair was so damaged I didn't get a regimen to follow so I am still learning what works for my hair. What I didn't know to do, that would have helped, was to use a protein reconstructor a few days after I color. My hair may have been more manageable and less dry.

Without wearing wigs or putting my hair in extensions though, some of the damage was unavoidable. My curl pattern is very tight and my shrinkage is about 75%. So there is no way to style my hair without pulling on it. And there is no way to not pull on my hair every day. So until it grows out another 2", there is a lot of manipulation involved.

 

[faithVA]

The Qhemets Biologics burdock root butter cream has burdock and nettle as the first two ingredients.

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You don't use that on your scalp though do you? I am assuming that the nettle/burdock mix needs to go on your scalp right?