"Should You Heat Train?" Video

[natura87]

Wow...this thread, like I said, I stick by whatever I said, I don't go back and negate my prior opinion; never have never will. The great thing about free speech (you know, the first amendment) is that I can say what I want, when I want, where I want and if my feeling is that she's giving "false hope" (because I believe I'm the one who said, you can call me out, I have no fear of a nameless avatar on a website) then those are my feelings, you don't have to share them or even agree with them. Would I like all of us to be civil about it? Sure, but I know we can't be. Now, if you feel like giving me the side eye...side eye until you pupils get stuck in your ears, if that's how you feel. I still love her hair, like I love everybody's hair who is healthy. I just don't ever comment on these kind of threads because it turns into 12 pages of "girl, side eye" or "girl WTF?!?!?!?" and it's too much for me...you lovely ladies have a lovely weekend.

I'm late but....what do your 1st Amendment rights have to do with anything? This is a hair forum. Its not that serious.

 

[French Rouge]

On both sides of the debate, folks go way to hard about hair typing.

 

[ladyviper]

Didn't you know lhcf is like the Senate or debate club!

I'm late but....what do your 1st Amendment rights have to do with anything? This is a hair forum. Its not that serious.

 

[Embyra]

yaaaassss the gifs are out

 

[Rocky91]

Actually I don't think it's an issue because people on here aren't profiting off her pictures, or causing her to lose money b/c she doesn't make $ off Fotki. Her Fotki is public, this is a public site.

gotcha.
can't wait for the day when my hair gets long and i suddenly become type 2b and my pitchas is used in hair typing international convention debates to settle matters of extreme curl pattern importance.

 

[davisbr88]

About the video:
Popular YouTube feels like "sweeps week" or some "ratings race", lately.
Controversy gets hits.

So true. She may be trying to get the natural nazis on her side since I'm pretty sure (based on this thread) that they've also been stammering about something not being "quite right" about her hair. Post a vid downgrading heat and they probably came a-flocking.
And I also agree with the person who said that it seems pretty weird that she would downgrade heat training, when she doesn't have the shrinkage problem that many people have that do, in fact, heat train (which was their motivation to begin with).

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

also, why were pics taken from her fotki and posted in here??
am i acting brand new or something, cause that don't seem right to me....

girl with all the gif's cut out of folks personal videos...passed around from site to site to site.

i will say that one of bonnet girl walking to the door in her drawz was a little scary ... maybe a bit much....but priceless

 

[keenyme]

let me stop.

 

[natura87]

So true. She may be trying to get the natural nazis on her side since I'm pretty sure (based on this thread) that they've also been stammering about something not being "quite right" about her hair. Post a vid downgrading heat and they probably came a-flocking.
And I also agree with the person who said that it seems pretty weird that she would downgrade heat training, when she doesn't have the shrinkage problem that many people have that do, in fact, heat train (which was their motivation to begin with).

Why does shrinkage have to be a problem in regards to hair....?

That alone says alot about how people perceive their hair.

 

[Rocky91]

girl with all the gif's cut out of folks personal videos...passed around from site to site to site.

i will say that one of bonnet girl walking to the door in her drawz was a little scary ... maybe a bit much.... priceless tho

bonnet girl is absolutely precious.
I adore and cherish her presence on Youtube.

 

[davisbr88]

Why does shrinkage have to be a problem in regards to hair....?

That alone says alot about how people perceive their hair.

Most people that I know who heat train do it because the shrinkage causes knots and tangles and they retain much better when their hair is kept straight. Excuse the word "problem." But for some people it is a "problem" when trying to get to longer lengths. I don't think that's so subjective, though. When I and many others I know don't keep the hair stretched, we get all kinds of SSKs and tangles that eventually split and have to be cut off. It's just how a lot of coily hair is. Some people choose to avoid it with heat as their method of stretching (ie heat training - which was the point of this thread).

 

[ladyviper]

This is turning into a soap opera that's about to be canceled. Maybe Chime's hair is a form of Asian (true Bonnet fans know what I mean)

 

[davisbr88]

This is turning into a soap opera that's about to be canceled. Maybe Chime's hair is a form of Asian (true Bonnet fans know what I mean)

Omg...
Girl, don't forget she was trying to claim black Hispanic in those FB pictures, too. Chime must be black Hispasian.

 

[EllePixie]

Why does shrinkage have to be a problem in regards to hair....?

That alone says alot about how people perceive their hair.

I was about to say the same thing...I was confused at that being a variable as to whether she can be against heat training or not...that would be like if someone with big boobs said they were against breast implants.

 

[natura87]

Most people that I know who heat train do it because the shrinkage causes knots and tangles and they retain much better when their hair is kept straight. Excuse the word "problem." But for some people it is a "problem" when trying to get to longer lengths. I don't think that's so subjective, though. When I and many others I know don't keep the hair stretched, we get all kinds of SSKs and tangles that eventually split and have to be cut off. It's just how a lot of coily hair is. Some people choose to avoid it with heat as their method of stretching (ie heat training - which was the point of this thread).

I do not see my shrinkage as a problem. I embrace the hell out of it. My hair is growing just fine. I think people just might need to say that they want to show their length instead of saying "shrinkage problem" becuase to me that implies that there is something wrong with they way their hair grows naturally, as if it isnt good enough.

 

[ladyviper]

stop it.. I'm rolling on the floor!
Bonnet girl deserves her own reality show!!

Omg...
Girl, don't forget she was trying to claim black Hispanic in those FB pictures, too. Chime must be black Hispasian.

 

[natura87]

I was about to say the same thing...I was confused at that being a variable as to whether she can be against heat training or not...that would be like if someone with big boobs said they were against breast implants.

Well if the breasts are all natural I dont see the problem.

 

[davisbr88]

Lmao EllePixie!
I didn't think of it that way.
True.
I guess I was just thinking that if you've never had to worry too much about shrinkage, why do you care if someone else uses heat to minimize theirs?
I guess I'm just of the school of thought that I honestly just do what I do and let people do them. I don't see the need to make an entire vid disagreeing on something unless you're trying to get views.

 

[EllePixie]

Well if the breasts are all natural I dont see the problem.

Right, that's what I'm saying. Just because Chime doesn't have the "issue" that drives some people to heat "train" doesn't mean she can't say she is against it. ALTHOUGH...it is interesting that she said her hair was healthy when pressed and now she is against it. But when she was talking about her natural journey it's clear that her hair texture is now more than just hair to her, so it makes sense that her mindset would change.

 

[davisbr88]

I do not see my shrinkage as a problem. I embrace the hell out of it. My hair is growing just fine. I think people just might need to say that they want to show their length instead of saying "shrinkage problem" becuase to me that implies that there is something wrong with they way their hair grows naturally, as if it isnt good enough.

Okay, but that's your thought. Many people do see it as a problem because it hinders retention. Not everyone that heat trains does it to show length or wear hair straight - some do it as a way to keep the hair stretched, like blow-drying every month before braiding up. Many people just heat train with a blow-dryer. But I'm not an expert. I'm sure brittanynic16 knows better than I, but I do know that not everyone does it to wear their hair straight. There are many reasons, and the root of a lot of those reasons are the knots that tend to come with shrinkage.

 

[EllePixie]

Lmao EllePixie!
I didn't think of it that way.
True.
I guess I was just thinking that if you've never had to worry too much about shrinkage, why do you care if someone else uses heat to minimize theirs?
I guess I'm just of the school of thought that I honestly just do what I do and let people do them. I don't see the need to make an entire vid disagreeing on something unless you're trying to get views.

I thought that she was answering a question - like transitioners/newbies were emailing her asking if heat training their hair is a good option? Girl, I dunno why she made the video, lol!

 

[Wildchild453]

I do not see my shrinkage as a problem. I embrace the hell out of it. My hair is growing just fine. I think people just might need to say that they want to show their length instead of saying "shrinkage problem" becuase to me that implies that there is something wrong with they way their hair grows naturally, as if it isnt good enough.

I'm going to be on the other side and say that while I do like to show length, shrinkage is the debil on my hair. My hair loves to tangle and allowing my hair to shrink how it wants encourages that.

 

[EllePixie]

Omg...
Girl, don't forget she was trying to claim black Hispanic in those FB pictures, too. Chime must be black Hispasian.

Wait did y'all see her latest video??

 

[natura87]

Lmao EllePixie!
I didn't think of it that way.
True.
I guess I was just thinking that if you've never had to worry too much about shrinkage, why do you care if someone else uses heat to minimize theirs?
I guess I'm just of the school of thought that I honestly just do what I do and let people do them. I don't see the need to make an entire vid disagreeing on something unless you're trying to get views.

I am all for people doing whatever they feel neccessary for their hair if it suits them. Its not my hair so I dont have to deal with it at the end of the day, however I do not "condone" viewing inherent attributes of my hair or body in general as a problem. I am black, therefore odds are my hair is going to shrink, it just comes with the territory. I have a dense kinky coily forest on my head. The only way I can show length is if I stretch it.

Maybe she does want views. Maybe someone asked for her opinion.

 

[natura87]

Right, that's what I'm saying. Just because Chime doesn't have the "issue" that drives some people to heat "train" doesn't mean she can't say she is against it. ALTHOUGH...it is interesting that she said her hair was healthy when pressed and now she is against it. But when she was talking about her natural journey it's clear that her hair texture is now more than just hair to her, so it makes sense that her mindset would change.

She can be against it as it applies to her, her shrinkage may not be as much as mine but who am I to say that she cant have an opinion becuase our rates of shrinkage differ.

 

[davisbr88]

I am all for people doing whatever they feel neccessary for their hair if it suits them. Its not my hair so I dont have to deal with it at the end of the day, however I do not "condone" viewing inherent attributes of my hair or body in general as a problem. I am black, therefore odds are my hair is going to shrink, it just comes with the territory. I have a dense kinky coily forest on my head. The only way I can show length is if I stretch it.

Maybe she does want views. Maybe someone asked for her opinion.

I'm really not trying to get all political about it.
Curly hair in general - black or white - shrinks and for many people, especially with tighter-curled hair, shrinkage leads to knots and tangles and can eventually lead to setbacks. So in their cases, that is a problem when you are trying to grow your hair. If you have to keep hacking at it, it becomes a problem.
I said to excuse it and maybe it wasn't the best word, but it is what it is.
I choose to keep my hair stretched in braids or twists to overcome those knots because I can get them really badly, especially with fine strands - some choose to use heat to do it.
To each her own.
It may not have been PC but plenty of people consider the knots as a result of shrinkage a problem, especially if it's hindering their retention.

 

[davisbr88]

I guess to me, it just feels like a white person saying there is no need for anti-discriminatory policies. You're not black and have never experienced any of the discrimination that may accompany being black, so who are you to say that it shouldn't be used?
It's a pretty extreme example, but that's how I was looking at it. Basically someone dogging what someone else does/feels they need to do to help themselves overcome obstacles to reach their goals, when you yourself do not even have that obstacle.
(Btw, I'm not saying I do or do not support affirmative action/policies - that's just the best example I could come up with).
But you're right, her hair does shrink some and I can't say she has no right to voice her opinion - I'm just wondering why would you even care enough to make a vid? It totally didn't cross my mind that someone could have just asked her. I don't sub to her so I don't know the protocol with her vids, so I admit I was being unfair.

 

[ladyviper]

is it a mixed video? because I love those!!

Wait did y'all see her latest video??

 

[Rei]

There is nothing wrong with being type 3 or called a type 3 (I kind of can't stand it when people draw this conclusion). I think that people are more annoyed at the comments along the lines of -

"Well my hair doesn't do that so hers can't be a type 4"
"It would be more impressive if she grew out a type 4 twa to her current length"
"She's giving people false hope"

Ok well ...yeah the whole wondering if she's type 4 or not is kind of meh but to me at least, even the hair typing system is flawed. I guess its hard to realize that even with the typing system, there are variations on hair. I'm a 4b with fine strands and medium density, and yet my hair is completely different from another 4b with fine strands and medium density. Maybe it would be easier for people to ignore the typing and just look at how the hair performs in terms of adopting things in the other person's regimen. for example, I used to try and use the same products as mwedzi because we were both 4b before i realized my hair hated vo5 and all things protein. Despite the fact that just by looking, we might be hairtwins (just with mine a heck of a lot shorter) in reality, her strands are coarser and in such, behave differently than mine, although we're the same 'type'. I think this is where the confusion is coming from the false belief that the types are the be all and end all of hair

Cuz there are some people that assume that if one has 3 hair that they are not "really" black. Folks will come up in a thread and revoke a sistahs black card becuase she just happened to have a looser texture and both parents are black.

Lets not pretend that people on LHCF dont have issues with race. You can look at all the threads in the OT and ET section to see that. Whether it be soul burning over Lil Romeo (lil soldiers need love too) or that "Biracial thread". You've got people getting up in arms over biracials claiming or not claiming black and that inevitably spills over into hair typing.

There is nothing wrong with 3 hair and there is nothing wrong with 4 hair. What matters is what you do to it, how you treat it and how you view it. If a person thinks that 3 hair is a death sentence then dare I say that person is the person with the problem.

true enough.

This thread is a hot reeking pile of ****. I think a lot of people are to confined by the hair typing system, which is not the least bit accurate. It might work for a lot of us, but then you have outliers like Chime who's hair does not fit in either the 2, 3 or 4 category.
Time after time this forum proves its inability to let a person self-identify, whether it's race, ethnicity, size, economic status, or in this case hair type.
If the girl says she is a type 4 then let her be a type 4. She knows her hair better than anyone in this forum and though her delivery might not be the most diplomatic, she seems to know what she is talking about, especially when it comes to her own hair.

Sometimes I believe it is easier for women to downplay others accomplishments by making excuses, rather than to acknowledge that someone actually managed to reach a goal. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean that others can't.

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@ the bolded. but yeah the second quoted is true, completely true. It kind of goes both ways though. For someone who is heat trained and who has reached their goals through that method its sort of :/ to hear 'hey naturals you can't do this your hair is damaged and messed up, you're doing it wrong' their goals might not be her goals and vice versa. It is her opinion and she's free to have it, but others are free to sort of...think what they think about her as well, yanno?

People are both jealous and they want to hear about other naturals who struggled with their hair as well. Just like on the board, if you notice the threads about 'who has long hair now who has never had long hair before' are abundant, mostly because people want to listen to those who have been through those struggles and through their regimen (and not genetics, and this counts for blacks as well). Sometimes its just hard to be on a HHJ for years and wonder at your hair that is growing 2cms a month LOL. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people should just learn what their own hair does rather than look to others and try and figure out 'well how can my hair look exactly like that'. if you know what i'm trying to get at

I was about to say the same thing...I was confused at that being a variable as to whether she can be against heat training or not...that would be like if someone with big boobs said they were against breast implants.

The shrinkage was a variable becuase if you have less shrinkage, your hair does not curl up back against itself as much and by proxy, you'll have hair that is easier to detangle and less likely to catch itself up in snags and little pixie knots (let me put a disclaimer here that i'm not saying that nobody but type fos get pixie knots )
She can be against heat training its fine, i'm just sort of saying reasons why some people might not really want to hear her opinion on it. It would be exactly like if someone with big boobs said they were against breast implants or if a small chested chick said getting a breast reduction is wrong (although these metaphors are also flawed because she does have kinky hair. I guess more like if a 44D said that getting a breast reduction is wrong to a girl who is a 44F. what she's saying has merit and she has experience on this but the 44F girl probably isn't trying to really hear it.)

davisbr88 you and me are --><-- here

...and now this thread is about tittys

 

[davisbr88]

Wait did y'all see her latest video??

No! I didn't know she made one. Oh lawd hammercy....