"Should You Heat Train?" Video

[Iluvsmuhgrass]

Why are people getting up in arms over the hair on someone else's head? I just figured I missed something and someone needed to give me Mr.Cliff's notes.

I'm not trying to participate in all the going back and forth but I will add my 2.5 cents.

EllePixie you nailed it with this. "people need to realize that texture (cottony, spongy, thready, wiry, silky), strand size (fine, medium, coarse) and density (thin, normal, thick) will ALL change how your hair LOOKS in addition to how it performs."

My grass is 4a/b with 3cish in the back. My grass is thick but my strands are mostly fine. The things you mention definitely come into play. I can get an awesome fro and fab twist outs but my twists alone look anemic. Not only that but different products make a world of difference too. I used Tresemme and Garnier Fructis and I had happy springy coils everywhere. I used another conditioner about a week later (use it up challenge lol)and I had nothing but soft cotton. It was wild.

Just wanted to say thank you for pointing that out and that if more people embraced that concept (as well as the live and let live) we wouldn't try to fit into everyone else's concept of what our hair should be.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

Why are people getting up in arms over the hair on someone else's head? I just figured I missed something and someone needed to give me Mr.Cliff's notes.

I'm not trying to participate in all the going back and forth but I will add my 2.5 cents.

@EllePixie you nailed it with this. "people need to realize that texture (cottony, spongy, thready, wiry, silky), strand size (fine, medium, coarse) and density (thin, normal, thick) will ALL change how your hair LOOKS in addition to how it performs."

My grass is 4a/b with 3cish in the back. My grass is thick but my strands are mostly fine. The things you mention definitely come into play. I can get an awesome fro and fab twist outs but my twists alone look anemic. Not only that but different products make a world of difference too. I used Tresemme and Garnier Fructis and I had happy springy coils everywhere. I used another conditioner about a week later (use it up challenge lol)and I had nothing but soft cotton. It was wild.

Just wanted to say thank you for pointing that out and that if more people embraced that concept (as well as the live and let live) we wouldn't try to fit into everyone else's concept of what our hair should be.

every time you say "MY GRASS" my mind goes somewhere else

 

[Iluvsmuhgrass]

every time you say "MY GRASS" my mind goes somewhere else

I get that alot. Never touched it. I'm a goofball.... naturally.

 

[CrueltyFree]

The picture of her hair that was shown above was not stretched out so I don't understand the first bolded part of your argument and what it has to do with my argument.

I clearly did not judge her by the cover because again, i showed pics to explain my point. So once again, I don't understand what that second part of your argument has to do with my argument.

As for, "Not all hair types that are similar behave the same or look the same. Not all textures behave the same," the evidence that I presented shows that her hair behaves extremely different from mine to be remotely similar to mine.

*sigh*

Exactly. Her hair behaves differently than your hair because, as I and others have said, there is so much variation within the confines of those little categories people like to box people in. Most people are conflating hair curl pattern and texture. Texture has an influence on how hair behaves, even if it's the same curl pattern. ALSO, you perceive and interpret what you see differently than others interpret of the same object. For instance, you classify your hair as a mix of 4a/4b but other's may just see 4b. Who's right? Does it really matter? That's something you should ask yourself.

Furthermore, your hair is clearly heat damaged/"trained" and her's is neither of those because she doesn't use heat.

And I wasn't just speaking to you, I was addressing more than one person- but it still applies. I still answered your question. Your argument is that because her hair doesn't look like your's that Chime's hair couldn't possibly be type 4. I've already spoke to that, as have others. erplexed

 

[bride91501]

this is funny, b/c if someone made a vid right now saying that type 4 hair "can't grow", or is "hard to grow" they'd get all types of side eyes. yet, when a wl type 4 pops up, they're suddenly a 3...

and i'm REALLY side eying the folks talking about her "giving ppl false hopes". WHAT THE ****?! really?!

Girl. Girl, girl, girl. I wanted to say this back on page 1, but my DH told me to leave it alone.

But he's sleep now, so bump it...

"False hopes" of what?? Some on my knees, praying to sweet baby jesus of nazareth, born in a manger of the virgin mary type-hope that I can be a 4a/b like HairCrush & have that "good hair"? GTFOH!

Ok....I got it out. I'm done.

 

[hasabe]

I'm pretty sure her hair is type G...type gorgeous

 

[CrueltyFree]

Girl. Girl, girl, girl. I wanted to say this back on page 1, but my DH told me to leave it alone.

But he's sleep now, so bump it...

"False hopes" of what?? Some on my knees, praying to sweet baby jesus of nazareth, born in a manger of the virgin mary type-hope that I can be a 4a/b like HairCrush & have that "good hair"? GTFOH!

Ok....I got it out. I'm done.

 

[EllePixie]

Girl. Girl, girl, girl. I wanted to say this back on page 1, but my DH told me to leave it alone.

But he's sleep now, so bump it...

"False hopes" of what?? Some on my knees, praying to sweet baby jesus of nazareth, born in a manger of the virgin mary type-hope that I can be a 4a/b like HairCrush & have that "good hair"? GTFOH!

Ok....I got it out. I'm done.

We all know that rather than look at gorgeous heads of hair and thinking, "This gives me inspiration for when my hair grows up," instead people think, "I hope my hair looks like [insert long haired natural here] when it grows up." Inspiration, not imitation people...

 

[whitedaisez]

I don't understand why people are trying to make it seem like some of us automatically have malicious intent or something like that
I LOVE the girl's hair, shes been my idol for like EVER!
I was only trying to think a little on the objective side. I don't have any underlying motives to my reasoning as all.

This has nothing to do with, "oh she has waistlength hair, she must be a 3, she's got that good hair," etc, etc. No, not at all. This is LHCF and we kno type 4s can do the same, we have lots of them. I don't consider myself bald, and I don't doubt the capabilities of my hairtype one bit!

With that said, all B.S aside, I don't know why people are all of a sudden pretending that they do not know how typical type 4 hair behaves. Then when someone presents with visual confirmation, they start pulling the "good hair card" on them and divert the issue.

I agree that type 4 hair varies, but c'mon now, there is a limit to this variation. With all the picture evidence, am not trying to pinpoint what her hairtype is but the features of her hair are on the EXTREME side of "different" from the type 4 category. It is as simple as that.

 

[theAlist]

Agree with ^^

I consider myself a type 4a/b:

(much tinnier curls compared to Chime's hair)^^

Stretched:

Shrinkage:

When my hair is heat damaged or heat trained, whatever, it looks like this...

(No curls visible)^^

Absolutely no curls:

Chime's hair texture looks NOTHING close to mine either ways. So someone plz explain to me how she is remotely a type 4... erplexed

Your hair is no where near as long as hers so of course it doesn't look like hers. A type 4 with hair that long and heavy will not look like a type 4 who's still in the twa stage. You also look like a straight 4b.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

air snaps.....

 

[AHeadOfCoils]

air snaps.....

double snaps boo!!!

 

[whitedaisez]

*sigh*

Exactly. Her hair behaves differently than your hair because, as I and others have said, there is so much variation within the confines of those little categories people like to box people in. Most people are conflating hair curl pattern and texture. Texture has an influence on how hair behaves, even if it's the same curl pattern. ALSO, you perceive and interpret what you see differently than others interpret of the same object. For instance, you classify your hair as a mix of 4a/4b but other's may just see 4b. Who's right? Does it really matter? That's something you should ask yourself.

Furthermore, your hair is clearly heat damaged/"trained" and her's is neither of those because she doesn't use heat.

And I wasn't just speaking to you, I was addressing more than one person- but it still applies. I still answered your question. Your argument is that because her hair doesn't look like your's that Chime's hair couldn't possibly be type 4. I've already spoke to that, as have others. erplexed

I'm sorry, I don't mean to annoy but, I don't understand at all. You absolutely did not answer my question. There shouldn't be "so much" variation within the same category. If there were, then there would really be no categories; everything would be broad and ambiguous. Categories are there to limit this. It isn't that her hair behaves differently, because this is normal. I put the pictures to show the extent of difference. And the difference was far more than enough to go beyond this particular (type 4) category.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

I don't understand why people are trying to make it seem like some of us automatically have malicious intent or something like that
I LOVE the girl's hair, shes been my idol for like EVER!
I was only trying to think a little on the objective side. I don't have any underlying motives to my reasoning as all.

This has nothing to do with, "oh she has waistlength hair, she must be a 3, she's got that good hair," etc, etc. No, not at all. This is LHCF and we kno type 4s can do the same, we have lots of them. I don't consider myself bald, and I don't doubt the capabilities of my hairtype one bit!

With that said, all B.S aside, I don't know why people are all of a sudden pretending that they do not know how typical type 4 hair behaves. Then when someone presents with visual confirmation, they start pulling the "good hair card" on them and divert the issue.

I agree that type 4 hair varies, but c'mon now, there is a limit to this variation. With all the picture evidence, am not trying to pinpoint what her hairtype is but the features of her hair are on the EXTREME side of "different" from the type 4 category. It is as simple as that.

yep yep.....

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

double snaps boo!!!

girl i'm trying to put my ignant' up...
i'm just sleepy

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

Girl. Girl, girl, girl. I wanted to say this back on page 1, but my DH told me to leave it alone.

But he's sleep now, so bump it...

"False hopes" of what?? Some on my knees, praying to sweet baby jesus of nazareth, born in a manger of the virgin mary type-hope that I can be a 4a/b like HairCrush & have that "good hair"? GTFOH!

Ok....I got it out. I'm done.

wait... where my bible marker at....
goes to page of this prayer...New Testament ? or old?

 

[keenyme]

I don't understand why people are trying to make it seem like some of us automatically have malicious intent or something like that
I LOVE the girl's hair, shes been my idol for like EVER!
I was only trying to think a little on the objective side. I don't have any underlying motives to my reasoning as all.

This has nothing to do with, "oh she has waistlength hair, she must be a 3, she's got that good hair," etc, etc. No, not at all. This is LHCF and we kno type 4s can do the same, we have lots of them. I don't consider myself bald, and I don't doubt the capabilities of my hairtype one bit!

With that said, all B.S aside, I don't know why people are all of a sudden pretending that they do not know how typical type 4 hair behaves. Then when someone presents with visual confirmation, they start pulling the "good hair card" on them and divert the issue.

I agree that type 4 hair varies, but c'mon now, there is a limit to this variation. With all the picture evidence, am not trying to pinpoint what her hairtype is but the features of her hair are on the EXTREME side of "different" from the type 4 category. It is as simple as that.

i'm sorry, but i consider myself closer to 4a tahn any other type, and my hair doesn't look a dang thing like yours... compared to your hair, i must be a type 3 as well.

 

[nappystorm]

I knew it would get crazy around here when she took a swipe at a LHCF scared cow I said "Oh hell" when I saw the title of her latest video.

ETA: I would still like to know what my hair type is.

 

[whitedaisez]

Your hair is no where near as long as hers so of course it doesn't look like hers. A type 4 with hair that long and heavy will not look like a type 4 who's still in the twa stage. You also look like a straight 4b.

I'm not on any twa stage, am APL and my hair still shrinks like that.
Mwedzi's hair is very long and thick and looks/behaves more like mine, NOTHING like the girl's hair.
I have a curl pattern. I dunno if you can try and look closer at the shrinkage pic, very very spiral

 

[Wildchild453]

^^And Mwedzi is a self-claimed 4b just like you say you are in your siggy, so why do you expect your hair to behave like a long haired 4a?

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

nappystorm...wut type U iz' ? the way it's blowing in your right eye like that.... I'd say a 2cdf 3bay don't blow in the right eye... it blows in the left

and 3dfr it hangs in a spiral upward motion, an 4rw ooooooh chile u it just freeze

 

[nappystorm]

nappystorm...wut type U iz' ?

Negro ABC

@ the edit

 

[bride91501]

I'm not on any twa stage, am APL and my hair still shrinks like that.
Mwedzi's hair is very long and thick and looks/behaves more like mine, NOTHING like the girl's hair.
I have a curl pattern. I dunno if you can try and look closer at the shrinkage pic, very very spiral

Let me try to take a stab at this....

Mwedzi is a definite 4b. You are a definite 4b. The argument here is that Chimes is a combo type 4, so assuming for a moment that the latter is true, her hair would look NOTHING like yours or Mwedzi's.

A different take: My 4 year old DD is a 4a. I am a 4b. Just ONE mini-step over (in terms of classification), yet our hair does not look nor behave anything alike.

You can't go around comparing every self-described type 4 to your own strands and forcing them to fit into a box you've created. This hair thing doesn't work like that...hell, LIFE doesn't work like that

Tis all. Ya'll have worn me out tonight- I'm going to bed.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

chime did mention her nape is a 3c...(in her stretching video)....but that she's primarily 4a/4b ....and that she only get's 30% shrinkage

 

[jerseygurl]

I think Chime is about to join the ranks of Kimmaytube and Ateyaa, always controversial. I try not to give myself a headache over someone else's head of hair. Chime's hair is very beautiful, will my hair look like that when it gets to that length, I don't know nor do I care. My focus is to grow the best head of hair I can.

 

[whitedaisez]

^^And Mwedzi is a self-claimed 4b just like you say you are in your siggy, so why do you expect your hair to behave like a long haired 4a?

If u read my first post, I was disputing that she was a 4a/b or type 4, because it was mentioned earlier in the thread that that was what was on her fotki, and others approved. Mwedzi and i with type 4, have hair that is not so extremely different, even though hers is longer. Sera's is different length than mine too, and ours don't behave so much different either. So is Aijo, Loolalooh, Bostonsis, Donna Sylla, Queeny20, Ms. Lala, Clawz G'Law, and other type 4s whose fotkis I stalk. Their hairs are very very long, but behave very similar to mine, yet NOTHING same to Chime's, who is closer in length to all of them.

 

[Odd One]

I can't believe I read all them pages... I'm bored and can't fall asleep.

Well, now I remember why I don't click on the hair section as much as before.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

If u read my first post, I was disputing that she was a 4a/b or type 4, because it was mentioned earlier in the thread that that was what was on her fotki, and others approved. Mwedzi and i with type 4, have hair that is not so extremely different, even though hers is longer. Sera's is different length than mine too, and ours don't behave so much different either. So is Aijo, Loolalooh, Bostonsis, Donna Sylla, Queeny20, Ms. Lala, Clawz G'Law, and other type 4s whose fotkis I stalk. Their hairs are very very long, but behave very similar to mine, yet NOTHING same to Chime's, who is closer in length to all of them.

i wonder does it resemble anyone's in the 4a/4b thread... or on the boards

goes for a peek...........Arnold Stickaneggar ..."I'll be back"

 

[EllePixie]

A 4a is still a type 4. Saying someone is 4a/b can mean that they are mostly 4a with a bit of 4b. Obviously, a 4a/b with mostly 4a hair will look different than a 4 who is mostly 4b. This is why hair typing (again) is subjective and incomprehensive.

 

[davisbr88]

If u read my first post, I was disputing that she was a 4a/b or type 4, because it was mentioned earlier in the thread that that was what was on her fotki, and others approved. Mwedzi and i with type 4, have hair that is not so extremely different, even though hers is longer. Sera's is different length than mine too, and ours don't behave so much different either. So is Aijo, Loolalooh, Bostonsis, Donna Sylla, Queeny20, Ms. Lala, Clawz G'Law, and other type 4s whose fotkis I stalk. Their hairs are very very long, but behave very similar to mine, yet NOTHING same to Chime's, who is closer in length to all of them.

I feel like there is a huge difference between 4a/4b and a definite 4b. 4a/4b could mean she has 50% of both or it could be like 80% 4a and 20% 4b, whereas you look to be 100% 4b. I'm more inclined to think she is mostly 4a with some unseen 4b somewhere that she just happens to claim. I don't think there is a comparison to be had between you two really, especially if your strands are not heavy enough to weigh down your curls.