"Should You Heat Train?" Video

[MsLi@512]

I believe hair suppose to be fun and you are to wear it however you choose to regardless of the outcome, heat train or heat burnt. We are all grown we can accept what we are putting our hair through. I don't like how being natural and on a HHJ is turning into a exclusive club.

...and I'll have to say in her transitioning folder in her fotki, her new growth does look 4a/4b... but hey maybe it is.. I'm not her.[/QUOTE]

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[EllePixie]

I hear you and I see how this could be, but I thought the hair was to revert back after being stretched unless it's unnecessarily tight over a very long time, therefore damaging the shaft.

General question - so if stretching the hair with water and twists/braids can cause the hair to permanently stretch and therefore have a similar effect has heat training, does stretching damage the hair since it won't revert back 100%?

LOL no...in my personal experience, what happens when I rinse my hair after a twist out is that the curl pattern stays looser (even with a shampoo + condition) for a couple a days as it takes my curls a bit to find each other once again and revert back to their natural state. It isn't a big deal, but taking a picture of your hair as soon as you rinse a twist out most likely (this is not true for everyone) is not going to resemble your true texture, as you have manipulated your hair and it's been in that state for a number of days. If you stopped doing twist outs, your hair would no longer take on this appearance.

Regardless, her hair is lovely and it should be left at that. All this type hoo-hah and gobbly gook is for the birds. IMO, of course.

 

[naturallygoldie]

ay mi madre!

heat training vs wearing it "natural"
damage vs non damage

I co sign with her on the strength she said "frequently" used heat on the hair...aka occurring or done on many occasions, in many cases, or in quick succession. That's the only part I agree with. Doing anything too frequently will bring bad results.

I've known people who have used heat on their hair once every 5 or 7 days (with proper protection and temperature for their hair) with no problem. Their wet hair still resembles has lots of curls etc..just as i've seen folks lose their curl pattern completely both their natural and straightened hair look a hot mess.

At the end of the day, it's all about what works for YOUR hair. As long as your hair isn't breaking, dry or brittle whatever you're doing, keep doing it. If you can get away with flat ironing it everyday then hey, more power to ya. Even if you gotta hang upside down, while rubbing a sulfur mix on your scalp and drinking somebody's breast milk during the full moon then do youand then post pics of your luxurious results

 

[EllePixie]

I completely disagree with her POV. I still am stunned on this idea that you aren't natural if you use heat to straiten your hair. When I was younger, I never wore my natural texture. My mom hot combed me weekly. My hair was long and healthy. Most of her deleted comments were mostly from people who said heat trained hair isn't natural.... I was under the impression that natural hair was hair with the absence of a relaxer/ texturizer. This is really something I find very puzzling. When did this become a fact? If heat trained hair isn't natural, why do so many accept BKT as being natural when the chemicals in that is embalming fluid? Yes, her hair is gorgeous, but people have heat trained forever. It doesn't make you less natural than someone who rocks their naps.

There are many OPINIONS about what it means to be natural, and this is ONE of them. Many people say you are not natural if you BKT. Many people say you are not natural if you color. Many people say you are not natural if you use heat even ONCE, and for some people there is a threshold (as long as the natural curl pattern is in tact, you are still natural). Blah blah blah, natural this, natural that. Some people call relaxed hair natural as long as it isn't weaved up. It is NOTHING more than a label. Your hair is your hair, period. Ain't no facts up in heyah.

 

[nappystorm]

Right. But the arguement is that she is a 4a/b. Either way (your type or mine) we are wrong (according to the calvary). Her hair actually reminds me of Teri's but is less curly. The main reason I think she is a 3B is because of the way her hair behaves. I think the ends are the telltale sign. Any curly nonsilky hair can look 4a/**** if is not defined especially if it is thick. But, her ends remind me more of a 3B then a 3c. They don't curl wet or dry. I think it would be interesting to see her define her hair Teri style to see how it comes out.

I am not saying to discount what she has to say. I just disagree.

My ends don't curl in a twist-out or a braid-out either (that's why I don't fool with them). I'm not heat-trained or 3B either.

You may not be guilty, I do think her texture was brought up to discredit what she is saying.

 

[me-T]

^^^but how? what does her texture have to do with her opinion of how people style their hair? i'm just confused by this derailment

 

[nappystorm]

^^^but how? what does her texture have to do with her opinion of how people style their hair? i'm just confused by this derailment

ITA so why was it brought up in the first place? I'm not in the business of calling folks out but go back and read the first couple of pages.

 

[localhost]

LOL no...in my personal experience, what happens when I rinse my hair after a twist out is that the curl pattern stays looser (even with a shampoo + condition) for a couple a days as it takes my curls a bit to find each other once again and revert back to their natural state. It isn't a big deal, but taking a picture of your hair as soon as you rinse a twist out most likely (this is not true for everyone) is not going to resemble your true texture, as you have manipulated your hair and it's been in that state for a number of days. If you stopped doing twist outs, your hair would no longer take on this appearance.

Regardless, her hair is lovely and it should be left at that. All this type hoo-hah and gobbly gook is for the birds. IMO, of course.

ah ha! So if one wears their hair primarily in this state, it's possible for a 4b then to train her hair and have the outcome that the girl in OP does.

I'm really new to this and I'm just getting comfortable with working with my texture and heat training, so I'm appreciative of your breakdown. I hate hate hate the drama that comes along with my shrunken fro because it becomes very tough to navigate. My twist outs/braid outs are blah.

I see that you have a very tight pattern. Can you provide some steps on how a type 4 could achieve this regimen successfully, and help me fill in the blanks? I'm sure other type 4's are reading this and also didn't know that all that was possible I sure didn't.

So...

Step 1: Wash and deep condition

Step 2: While hair is wet, detangle and apply _________ [Gels, oils, creams]

Step 3: Braid/twist hair in _________ direction

Step 4: Tie hair with scarf __________

Step 5: _____________ [airdry, overnight]

Step 6: Unbraid, untwist hair and apply _________ moisturizer (this step right here messes with my spirit. What can one use to moisturize without shrinking the hair? I usually end up with an oily mess )

 

[Wildchild453]

^^ I don't think there is anything you can specifically do. My wet hair looks like hers because I mostly wear some form of twist out. I thought I had damaged my hair somehow but it was just my hair continuing to hold the twist pattern after washing especially because I keep my hair in twisted sections when I wash.

I never had this happen when I wore more WnGs and buns but everyone's hair doesn't behave the same way. So there is no guarantee that because I wear twists 24/7 and my hair appears looser that it will work for anyone else plus it's not permanent.

 

[EllePixie]

ah ha! So if one wears their hair primarily in this state, it's possible for a 4b then to train her hair and have the outcome that the girl in OP does.

I'm really new to this and I'm just getting comfortable with working with my texture and heat training, so I'm appreciative of your breakdown. I hate hate hate the drama that comes along with my shrunken fro because it becomes very tough to navigate. My twist outs/braid outs are blah.

I see that you have a very tight pattern. Can you provide some steps on how a type 4 could achieve this regimen successfully, and help me fill in the blanks? I'm sure other type 4's are reading this and also didn't know that all that was possible I sure didn't.

So...

Step 1: Wash and deep condition

Step 2: While hair is wet, detangle and apply _________ [Gels, oils, creams]

Step 3: Braid/twist hair in _________ direction

Step 4: Tie hair with scarf __________

Step 5: _____________ [airdry, overnight]

Step 6: Unbraid, untwist hair and apply _________ moisturizer (this step right here messes with my spirit. What can one use to moisturize without shrinking the hair? I usually end up with an oily mess )

Whoa whoa...I rarely do twist outs (usually do wash n gos and like my hair in its shrunken state), and no, I do not think that ANYONE could get Chime's results - as MANY OTHER FACTORS come into play outside of curl pattern - this is what I am attempting to get people to understand. Texture, density, length, and strand thickness are ALL at play here. Please, please, PLEASE do not try something looking for the exact same results as another person. You will be very disappointed. All I'm saying is that the picture shown with her hair wet looks different from the picture I posted because when you "wash out" a twist out your hair may not fully revert right away.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

ITA so why was it brought up in the first place? I'm not in the business of calling folks out but go back and read the first couple of pages.

*silently scrolls back to 1st page to find the source of hater-ation *

 

[nappystorm]

*silently scrolls back to 1st page to find the source of hater-ation *

Don't do that

 

[Napp]

I never knew a braid/twist out could not revert fully after washing....i think something like that boils down to the texture of the hair. My hair will revert in a hot second compleltey even if water doesnt touch it(humidity).

You learn somethin new erry day, huh.

 

[localhost]

Whoa whoa...I rarely do twist outs (usually do wash n gos and like my hair in its shrunken state), and no, I do not think that ANYONE could get Chime's results - as MANY OTHER FACTORS come into play outside of curl pattern - this is what I am attempting to get people to understand. Texture, density, length, and strand thickness are ALL at play here. Please, please, PLEASE do not try something looking for the exact same results as another person. You will be very disappointed. All I'm saying is that the picture shown with her hair wet looks different from the picture I posted because when you "wash out" a twist out your hair may not fully revert right away.

I'm looking for a regimen that would not get her exact results but would at least come close.

someone earlier mentioned that this is not out of reach of 4 types, and its sad that we didn't know our hair could do that. I'm a 4 type who seriously struggles with a basic braidout / twistout. someone earlier eluded that adding a scarf to the mix and tying down the hair should work.

I just need some pointers on what techniques can be used and what products *may* be used.

So I guess this is where some are debating her starting texture. If she's a true type 4 with no chemicals or heat and she's stretching with twists/braids, what reggie can we use to accomplish similar results? Some say this is realistic and can be done, so I would like to inside scoop on how I might go about it.

 

[EllePixie]

I'm looking for a regimen that would not get her exact results but would at least come close.

someone earlier mentioned that this is not out of reach of 4 types, and its sad that we didn't know our hair could do that. I'm a 4 type who seriously struggles with a basic braidout / twistout. someone earlier eluded that adding a scarf to the mix and tying down the hair should work.

I just need some pointers on what techniques can be used and what products *may* be used.

So I guess this is where some are debating her starting texture. If she's a true type 4 with no chemicals or heat and she's stretching with twists/braids, what reggie can we use to accomplish similar results? Some say this is realistic and can be done, so I would like to inside scoop on how I might go about it.

She has a twist out tutorial - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFMkR6MZgOY It has all of the info you are seeking.

 

[nappystorm]

I never knew a braid/twist out could not revert fully after washing....i think something like that boils down to the texture of the hair. My hair will revert in a hot second compleltey even if water doesnt touch it(humidity).

You learn somethin new erry day, huh.

I'm sure the change isn't permanent but some types can be "molded" if you will. If I wear my hair one way for 99 days, the on the 100th day when I try something new, my hair won't shrink as much as it should. It goes back after a week or two if I keep it unstretched.

I used to stretch my relaxers by applying a water based moisturizer or gel to my roots. They would stay straight-ish for a while but always return back to normal when I left them alone. I never claimed to be a 4B/C though.

 

[Rei]

I'm looking for a regimen that would not get her exact results but would at least come close.

someone earlier mentioned that this is not out of reach of 4 types, and its sad that we didn't know our hair could do that. I'm a 4 type who seriously struggles with a basic braidout / twistout. someone earlier eluded that adding a scarf to the mix and tying down the hair should work.

I just need some pointers on what techniques can be used and what products *may* be used.

So I guess this is where some are debating her starting texture. If she's a true type 4 with no chemicals or heat and she's stretching with twists/braids, what reggie can we use to accomplish similar results? Some say this is realistic and can be done, so I would like to inside scoop on how I might go about it.

In my years of fotki stalking I've never seen anyone's type 4 hair do what chime's does. (except for some type 3s) you are setting yourself up for dissapointment. texture is all well and good but it does not define the be all and end all of hair. she can be a type 4 and her results still out of your reach. I know dang well no matter how much of a type 4 she is my 4b hair will do nothing like that ever unless I heat train it. /shrug

long story short, her regimen: magic

even her twistout tutorial is pretty much 'twist hair, put scarf on'
yeah ok, lol

just embrace what your own hair does.

As for what her texture does i'm just going to say what I think many people who are watching the video are thinking in the deep dark corner of their mind 'easy for you to say, lol'. I mean for a girl who went from WSL relaxed, transitioned to longer lengths than some people's 4 year journeys in 2 years and then BCed to a fantastic length, she's just hard to take seriously in terms of haircare when it comes to people who have been struggling for years. It's the old 'good hurr' mentality, hence why people are wondering if she's 3c. Essentially the thought process of 'well if you were dealing with my insane shrinkage and ssks maybe you wouldn't think heat training was so bad, while you swing around your seemingly easily gained WSL locks with like 10% shrinkage, get off your high horse'. Her hair confuses everyone because if it was a obvious 3c then everyone type 4 could just ignore her and move on, but since she seems to be a type 4 it just leads to suspicion, LOL.

Just sayin it, no need for PMs, I already know how most of that is untrue. But its still the mentality (for those who are confused as to why chime threads always end up being about her texture)

 

[nappystorm]

I'm looking for a regimen that would not get her exact results but would at least come close.

someone earlier mentioned that this is not out of reach of 4 types, and its sad that we didn't know our hair could do that. I'm a 4 type who seriously struggles with a basic braidout / twistout. someone earlier eluded that adding a scarf to the mix and tying down the hair should work.

I just need some pointers on what techniques can be used and what products *may* be used.

So I guess this is where some are debating her starting texture. If she's a true type 4 with no chemicals or heat and she's stretching with twists/braids, what reggie can we use to accomplish similar results? Some say this is realistic and can be done, so I would like to inside scoop on how I might go about it.

Go to Roshini's channel. She has hot twist-outs and there's no debate about whether she's a 4 or not. Her hair is pretty "moldable" too and her texture is tighter than Chime's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhc1AdRzZyA

 

[hairsothick]

Lmao @ this hair typing discussion.

This is why it is my PERSONAL opinion that texture should trump pattern. I think she is an s-shaped type 4 and her hair hangs more because of that.

Chime has beautiful hair. I agree with some of her points about heat training, but think that everyone should do what makes them happy at the end of the day.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

i do pretty much think she's slightly heat trained...

eta: but she says she only uses heat a few times a year

 

[pookaloo83]

I wear twistouts all the time and when I wash my hair my texture is kinda loose. I'm a fine 4b natural. My hair has NO weight to it at all. But after not twisting if for a while it will shrink back up.

 

[iri9109]

when I wash my hair after I'm done with a twist out, my wet hair often still looks like the pattern of the twist out

i was just about to say that! mine too ...and my little sister is a 4a/4b and wears twistouts, and immediately after washing her hair most of the pattern of the twistout is retained until she detangles it.

I do think her texture was brought up to discredit what she is saying.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

sad... i think she's stolen my heart away from lhdc2011:-(

no room for both

 

[rinamasso]

She has beautiful growth but heat training is not for all hair types. I am 3c hair, fine hair, and if I dare to "heat train' my hair....lets just say I won't have curly hair anymore.

 

[itsjusthair88]

I will say I brought up her texture, not to "hate" or discredit her; I have been peeping her for ages, her Fotki has been on bookmark list, she was one of the reasons I went natural and even offered me advice once, she is great. I just don't think she's a type 4, sorry, I don't; I am sorry if I am breaking some LHCF rule by disagreeing and stating my opinion, but there it is. Heat training is not for everybody, and I think she had some good points but the delivery method was off-putting, will i still enjoy her awesome hair? Of course, does her texture really matter to me? Nope, because her methods are great and she seems like a nice person...I'm kind of sorry I even brought it up, I forget people like to jump on you around here.

 

[aquajoyice]

She has beautiful hair. She has 4a/4b but stretches her hair using braidouts, twistouts etc. Doesn't LongHairDonrCare heat train?

 

[bride91501]

In my years of fotki stalking I've never seen anyone's type 4 hair do what chime's does. (except for some type 3s) you are setting yourself up for dissapointment. texture is all well and good but it does not define the be all and end all of hair. she can be a type 4 and her results still out of your reach. I know dang well no matter how much of a type 4 she is my 4b hair will do nothing like that ever unless I heat train it. /shrug

It can happen. My DD's hair is like this.

For years I brushed her super-thick hair in a bun or pony puff because I was too style-challenged to do much else (this was pre-LHCF ). I very rarely blow dried her hair, and she's only worn it straight twice in her life (she'll be 12 this year).

As a result of all of this "stretching", now her mostly 4b hair barely has any shrinkage. When I say barely, I mean maybe only like 30%? Which is nothing for most type 4s....I myself have 80% or more shrinkage.

So it's definitely possible. I think it just depends on the head of hair. I'd forgotton about this when I first saw Chime's hair. I was so confused as to how on one hand her hair looked liked it could have come out of my head, but she didn't have the shrinkage I've come to expect from a type 4. This is a possible explanation for it....

 

[Myjourney2009]

It can happen. My DD's hair is like this.

For years I brushed her super-thick hair in a bun or pony puff because I was too style-challenged to do much else (this was pre-LHCF ). I very rarely blow dried her hair, and she's only worn it straight twice in her life (she'll be 12 this year).

As a result of all of this "stretching", now her mostly 4b hair barely has any shrinkage. When I say barely, I mean maybe only like 30%? Which is nothing for most type 4s....I myself have 80% or more shrinkage.

So it's definitely possible. I think it just depends on the head of hair. I'd forgotton about this when I first saw Chime's hair. I was so confused as to how on one hand her hair looked liked it could have come out of my head, but she didn't have the shrinkage I've come to expect from a type 4. This is a possible explanation for it....

I'm confused do you think all the brushing you did that keeps your DD's hair in a bun contributed to her not having alot of shrinkage.

your dd sounds like she has hair that is fine textured so once she had the length the weight of her hair helped with her having less shrinkage.

 

[Myjourney2009]

Lmao @ this hair typing discussion.

This is why it is my PERSONAL opinion that texture should trump pattern. I think she is an s-shaped type 4 and her hair hangs more because of that.

Chime has beautiful hair. I agree with some of her points about heat training, but think that everyone should do what makes them happy at the end of the day.

THANK YOU!!!!!

I've said this sooooo many times.

She has the same type as kimmaytube however Chimes hair is denser (she has more of it). The both have fine strands which contributes to the loose texture look.

Chime has a photo of her hair where she had a wash and go and there aint no way I would call what I saw 3 anything. It looked closer to kimmay's w&G

My DD's hair is the exact type chimes and kimmay (4ab) however my DD's hair TEXTURE is closer to kimmays because she does not have dense hair.

 

[bride91501]

I'm confused do you think all the brushing you did that keeps your DD's hair in a bun contributed to her not having alot of shrinkage.

your dd sounds like she has hair that is fine textured so once she had the length the weight of her hair helped with her having less shrinkage.

You're right- her hair is very fine. Super fine actually- you can barely see her individual strands of shed hair. She just happens to have ALOT of it.

I don't think it was necessarily the brushing...maybe I mispoke in my earlier post. I wouldn't necessarily brush her hair everyday, but it would stay in that bun or ponytail on a daily basis. So it was constantly stretched. I may leave it in for 2-3 days, and when it got a little messy around the edges, I'd take it down and brush it back up again. And there it stayed for another 2-3 days.