Pricing by hair type?

[davisbr88]

That's true, but that doesn't mean it's not bs.

And I can respectfully exclude myself from the black owned hair business point. I care about good business practices, no matter whom they are from.

ITA.
There have been enough negative salon reviews as well as threads bashing the unprofessionalism of many black-owned salons to show that we aren't as quick to sit and accept things just to support. I don't think that makes us different from any other group. We pay good money and expect to be treated a certain way, and that does not include a $40 hike because I don't have wavy hair, or indirectly making me feel like I'm inferior because of it.
So, no, you don't have to be PC, but you also don't need to expect to get my money or support, regardless of whether or not you are a black owner.

ETA: I don't see pitchforks, either... just people giving opinions. And shoot, one PP said she may even get serviced there. Lol. All exposure is good exposure!

 

[ms-gg]

I just don't think an intervention is necessary. Lots of people have the view that biracial hair is xyz and all black hair is abc. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's reality. Most salons I've seen charge different prices for different heads of hair. Longer hair cost more pretty much everywhere. If I go to a Dominican salon, they want to charge more because 'natural hair can't be rollerset.' In that case, I just keep it moving and go somewhere else. They lost my business.

The difference between this form of discrimination is that it is based solely on race. If you are full black, you pay more, if you are half black you pay less. That is much different than someone who has to pay more because they have longer hair. Having to pay more because you have more hair is not based on the grounds of your race, gender, or religion.

 

[Austro-Afrikana]

That biracial stuff is so annoying! I remember arguing with my cousin over this "issue". I tried to tell her there was no such thing as mixed race hair and she couldn't see what i meant even looking at a mixed race girl with type 4 hair in the face.

I can't stand that sort of spelling. Like really, what is she trying to achieve? What is anyone trying to achieve when they write twysted instead of twisted? Ugh! I hate bad grammar! Lol

 

[kblc06]

Lennie Kravitz can sit between my legs and let me braid his hair for free .

But like wavesncurls, I'm surprised that they charge less for braiding looser hair due to the fact that it tends to unravel. I love braiding 4a/b hair for that very reason. With that said, they couldn't plait my hair if my fingers necrotized and my whole hand fell off at the wrist. I imagine that someone like Bonnet girl is the primary stylist. Would YOU let someone like that do your hair ? ..thought so

I used to braid my sister's 3a/b hair, and maaan it was hard work, you hear me?

I wonder how they would charge Lenny Kravitz...

Their policies make me glad to be a DIYer.

 

[davisbr88]

I can't stand that sort of spelling. Like really, what is she trying to achieve? What is anyone trying to achieve when they write twysted instead of twisted? Ugh! I hate bad grammar! Lol

They iz tryna appeal to our gangstuh lango.
Y'aint heard? Thas how we talk in da skreets.
*Word*

 

[manter26]

Pitchforks? Where? I agree with your sentiment 100%, yep, people are often ignorant and the thing to do is KIM. Making comments about it isn't attacking them, there's no intervention in that. I don't see anyone here calling the NAACP. I'm giving them a , then a , followed by a , complete with a .

I'm preemptively issuing a Keep Calm and Carry On notice. I saw something about making calls, civil rights, discrimination...and figured things could go down the route it often goes with similar threads. Price discrimination is a viable business tactic. If it doesn't work for this salon the free market will take care of them.

Maybe this chick should charge a flat rate by the hour and get on with it.

 

[manter26]

The difference between this form of discrimination is that it is based solely on race. If you are full black, you pay more, if you are half black you pay less. That is much different than someone who has to pay more because they have more hair or less hair. Having to pay more because you have more hair is not based on the grounds of your race, gender, or religion.

Yes the site does say "Biracial textures - Kinky, curly & wavy" when it should just say "textures - Kinky, curly & wavy" or some sort of explanation of Type 3 hair. To me it's not out right racial discrimination because I doubt they're asking for pictures of customer's parents. The salon is looking at texture only, I assume. I've been to salon that charges based on texture. I kinda agree that if a style takes more time and product, it should cost more (not saying that texture automatically means longer to style). It makes more sense than paying based on age or other types of tiered pricing that are acceptable.

 

[EllePixie]

I'm preemptively issuing a Keep Calm and Carry On notice. I saw something about making calls, civil rights, discrimination...and figured things could go down the route it often goes with similar threads. Price discrimination is a viable business tactic. If it doesn't work for this salon the free market will take care of them.

Maybe this chick should charge a flat rate by the hour and get on with it.

I mean it is discrimination...and ms-gg was right about the civil rights act...BUT!!! The person who called them was not a LHCF member... LOL @ "Keep Calm and Carry On" notice, I'm saving my low whistle for when someone texts Jesse Jackson about this.

 

[Ms Lala]

Pricing by race is discriminatory and offensive. I almost can't believe what I'm reading.

 

[kblc06]

They iz tryna appeal to our gangstuh lango.
Y'aint heard? Thas how we talk in da skreets.
*Word*

Stoopit

 

[AlliCat]

Ignorance overload, SMH

 

[Your Cheeziness]

They iz tryna appeal to our gangstuh lango.
Y'aint heard? Thas how we talk in da skreets.
*Word*

STOP.

I'm loving the opinions of this thread.

 

[Your Cheeziness]

I mean it is discrimination...and ms-gg was right about the civil rights act...BUT!!! The person who called them was not a LHCF member... LOL @ "Keep Calm and Carry On" notice, I'm saving my low whistle for when someone texts Jesse Jackson about this.

Jesse won't care. He gots dat good hurr. He'll pay less.

 

[EllePixie]

SO DONE WITH YOU.

 

[Nayna]

I wonder if they use mixed chicks in there....

 

[EccentricRed]

I was joking in my early post, but in all seriousness...

From a business standpoint, it will do her much good to describe the hair types in another way. In addition, the price discrepancy between the two types of hair is pretty large. Both of these things will turn away customers, because it is rather offensive (Not a "March on Washington" level of offense...just slightly offensive).

I'd like to talk to this sistah, because I do not think that she sees how this looks to potential customers. It really hurts my feelings when I see things like this, because colorism and hair typism (Yeah, I just made that up) are two things that we need to move on from, because it causes unnecessary seperation. I just don't think she sees what she is doing, to think of it as "wrong."

Okay, I'm getting off my soapbox now...

 

[ManeStreet]

So, do you all feel that if "Biracial textures - Kinky, curly & wavy" was replace with "Textures - Kinky, curly & wavy" then it would no longer be discriminatory?

 

[Roux]

Mane it still poses an issue and is discriminatory. For example if there is an employer that doesn't want to employ anyone over the age of 60 and says in a job announcement "No applicants over the age of 60" that is clear discrimination. But if that same employer instead says "Recent college graduates only apply" while he didn't flat out say it, it's obvious what the target is and the distinction between two separate groups and is still discriminatory.

 

[manter26]

So, do you all feel that if "Biracial textures - Kinky, curly & wavy" was replace with "Textures - Kinky, curly & wavy" then it would no longer be discriminatory?

It's price discrimination. Price Discrimination: Setting a different price for the same product in different segments to the market. For example, this can be for different ages or for different opening times, such as cinema tickets.

I can sit down in the same restaurant, order the same meal, at the same time and my mother will pay less because she's over 55. It's an acceptable business practice based solely on age.

 

[EllePixie]

So, do you all feel that if "Biracial textures - Kinky, curly & wavy" was replace with "Textures - Kinky, curly & wavy" then it would no longer be discriminatory?

No, they would have to give both groups the same price. At the most, I think it would be acceptable to say that they may charge more if your hair is more dense.

 

[Roux]

It's price discrimination. Price Discrimination: Setting a different price for the same product in different segments to the market. For example, this can be for different ages or for different opening times, such as cinema tickets.

I can sit down in the same restaurant, order the same meal, at the same time and my mother will pay less because she's over 55. It's an acceptable business practice based solely on age.

that's a great way to look at it as well. In all i'd consider it intraracial discrimination.

 

[bride91501]

Technically, there really is no such thing as "price discrimination". Discrimination is a legal term meaning differences in treatment based on one's membership in certain protected classes.

This is *clearly* race discrimination, hands down (cheaper prices the "less black" a customer is), and could possibly also be age and personal appearance discrimination, if those classes are protected in the jurisdiction where the salon is located.

I can't even believe we're debating this point. And furthermore, I could care less how small or "black" of a business this is....discrimation of any kind should be stomped out wherever it is found. If pitchforks are needed, so be it.

Would you hesitate if it was a white owned salon with the same policies? #sideeye

 

[Roux]

http://tutor2u.net/economics/revision-notes/a2-micro-price-discrimination.html

price discrimination is real.

 

[AlliCat]

I'm not sure how you guys deal with this in the U.S., but someone should report them to the BBB Or at least give them a nice "informative" phone call. Grammar lessons. Anything.

 

[ManeStreet]

This is all food for thought...

Is it wrong for the dominican salons to charge more for a rollerset for natural hair than a roller set for relaxed hair?

Is it wrong to charge more for styling WSL hair than APL hair?

And at nail salons, the cost of a pedicure for a man is more expense than a pedicure for a woman. Is that wrong?

Even though two people may be getting the same service, the amount of time needed to provide that service to each person may be different. I am NOT defending the company's "bi-racial texture" policy and I don't agree with it. However, I'm suggesting that their underlying thought process may be an assumption that a certain texture of hair will take more time style than another texture of hair. Therefore, if they spend more time doing someone's hair, they want to paid additional money for that time.

I believe this may be their reasoning because they make a point to say.

"PRICES ARE QUOTED ON AN HOURLY SCALE of 2 - 4 hours.When service goes over your stylist will inform you of the reasons for increase. All increases will be applied to future appointments."

 

[DDTexlaxed]

This is nothing new. Salons have been doing this for ages. I've seen some that charge more for length and thickness as well. That's why I hate salons!

 

[cherxy777]

I've seen this somewhere else before...what I want to know is, how does she determine biracial texture? Do you have to bring in a picture of your family?

too funny!

 

[Solitude]

I agree, but my point is thousands of people see what's posted on this site. I don't think it's necessary for people who would never have heard about this business or would never patronize it to call and make a fuss. Supply and demand takes care of poor business practices. The salon will realize people are not going to pay X amount of dollars to have vinegar poured on their heads.

I just don't think an intervention is necessary. Lots of people have the view that biracial hair is xyz and all black hair is abc. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's reality. Most salons I've seen charge different prices for different heads of hair. Longer hair cost more pretty much everywhere. If I go to a Dominican salon, they want to charge more because 'natural hair can't be rollerset.' In that case, I just keep it moving and go somewhere else. They lost my business.

Yes, 99% of the words on that website are ignorant but the pitchforks are just not necessary. That's my opinion on it. I also think it's ridiculous to start a thread titled 'OMG YoutubeUser99 Combed Her Hair Really Rough at the 3:12 Minute Mark'... all of a sudden the views increase exponentially and the negative comments stream in. *shrug*

I completely agree. I can't believe people are getting in an uproar over a business they never knew existed and would have never, ever patronized. It reminds me of the fifty million Dominican salon threads a couple of years ago where people bashed Dominican salons even though they had never even been to one, knew nothing about them, and had no plans to patronize one.

....and the civil right act being posted over kinky twists? Come on, son...

 

[Solitude]

Technically, there really is no such thing as "price discrimination". Discrimination is a legal term meaning differences in treatment based on one's membership in certain protected classes.

This is *clearly* race discrimination, hands down (cheaper prices the "less black" a customer is), and could possibly also be age and personal appearance discrimination, if those classes are protected in the jurisdiction where the salon is located.

I can't even believe we're debating this point. And furthermore, I could care less how small or "black" of a business this is....discrimation of any kind should be stomped out wherever it is found. If pitchforks are needed, so be it.

Would you hesitate if it was a white owned salon with the same policies? #sideeye

I don't follow your definitions, but all of that is debatable. My questions to you are....

...is it okay that "natural" salons cater almost exclusively to blacks, period? Is it okay that I can't go there and get my relaxed hair done?

Should black natural hair salons be accused of discrimination if they turn away a white woman with type 1 hair who wants kinky twists? What about them selling t-shirts in the salon that only have pictures of black women? What about natural product companies that market exclusively to black women? Are they discriminating against non-blacks?


IMO, this is just another case of something being way overblown by LHCF. I can't imagine how many prank calls that woman received today.

 

[bride91501]

I don't follow your definitions, but all of that is debatable. My questions to you are....

...is it okay that "natural" salons cater almost exclusively to blacks, period? Is it okay that I can't go there and get my relaxed hair done?

Should black natural hair salons be accused of discrimination if they turn away a white woman with type 1 hair who wants kinky twists? What about them selling t-shirts in the salon that only have pictures of black women? What about natural product companies that market exclusively to black women? Are they discriminating against non-blacks?


IMO, this is just another case of something being way overblown by LHCF. I can't imagine how many prank calls that woman received today.

I think you may be missing the point. "True" legal discrimination is very clearly spelled out by local, state and federal laws. It is not subject to any definition that you or I may want to assign to it.

In the 1st example you provided, the natural salon is free to provide any service it would like AS LONG AS it does not discriminate against a customer based on their membership in a "protected class". Federal protected classes include race, color, sex, religion, disability, familial status and national origin (cities and states may or may not have additional protections). If the salon decides not to provide you with a service because you have a relaxer, they are not violating federal law because having a relaxer is NOT a protected class, and is therefore not protected by law . You may feel wronged by the policy, but the law says you're SOL.

Additionally, the salon cannot help who most of their customers are; however, if they have a formal or informal policy of refusing service to non-blacks, then they are violating they law.

Back to the point....I am constantly amazed at how quickly some of us will sweep discrimination under the rug, just because it may be coming from parties who look like us. Right is right, and wrong is wrong, and this ish right here?? Is dead wrong. Simple.