"why i do not use a heat protectant ..
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Saludable84
Better Late Than Ugly
It makes sense, but I wouldn't go without a heat protectant. And I've never been to a salon that didn't use one. She knows her hair so she can do that, but I know mine and I know I cannot
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tiffjust2002
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I watched her 3 part series on flat ironing her hair. It was way too many steps for me but it works for her. I thought her hair was gorg, I don't know about the ends though they looked see through and like she needed a trim, which I think she said she was going to do. I personally need to use a heat protectant because without it I suffered from heat damage, with it no heat damage. I don't personally like or use grapeseed oil anymore because it's too heavy and weighs down my straightened hair and makes it oily and greasy looking. I prefer a spray heat protectant or the gloss kind for some reason small amounts of that doesn't cause the oily or greasy look.
Although I have no clue what she meant when she said she doesn't mind if the heat "alters" not "damages" her hair. What's the difference? Altered curls to me mean heat damage, they might not be stick straight but the heat has definitely loosened your natural curl pattern and slightly in a way damaged it (IMO) but I guess she likes to call it "altered"
Although I have no clue what she meant when she said she doesn't mind if the heat "alters" not "damages" her hair. What's the difference? Altered curls to me mean heat damage, they might not be stick straight but the heat has definitely loosened your natural curl pattern and slightly in a way damaged it (IMO) but I guess she likes to call it "altered"
koolkittychick
Well-Known Member
I have seen her videos before. Basically she has unicorn, teflon-coated hair. She engages in hair practices that would render most women bald, but her hair thrives with that kind of care, so more power to her; it wouldn't be me by a longshot. 
"Heat protectants are for newbies"??? umm no! I am glad that she can use high heat and not get damage but I stopped listening after she said something about high end salons not using heat protectant. I don't know of any high end salons that do that. But hey, it's her hair.
MileHighDiva
A+ Hair Care Queen
Okay, I've have got past this YouTuber using; a lifetime supply of saran wrap for any and everything, cotton bandannas, no heat protectant, but it appears at approx 3:47, she is now using paper towels for end wraps.
I can't take it anymore!
I originally posted the above comments in the Random Thoughts thread on 6/22/13.
You guys are correct, she's a unicorn and she can do whatever she wants with her hair, because it can tolerate what she does to it.
I can't take it anymore!
I originally posted the above comments in the Random Thoughts thread on 6/22/13.
You guys are correct, she's a unicorn and she can do whatever she wants with her hair, because it can tolerate what she does to it.
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ravenhairedcharm
Well-Known Member
I watched her 3 part series on flat ironing her hair. It was way too many steps for me but it works for her. I thought her hair was gorg, I don't know about the ends though they looked see through and like she needed a trim, which I think she said she was going to do. I personally need to use a heat protectant because without it I suffered from heat damage, with it no heat damage. I don't personally like or use grapeseed oil anymore because it's too heavy and weighs down my straightened hair and makes it oily and greasy looking. I prefer a spray heat protectant or the gloss kind for some reason small amounts of that doesn't cause the oily or greasy look.
Although I have no clue what she meant when she said she doesn't mind if the heat "alters" not "damages" her hair. What's the difference? Altered curls to me mean heat damage, they might not be stick straight but the heat has definitely loosened your natural curl pattern and slightly in a way damaged it (IMO) but I guess she likes to call it "altered"
Well if you want to get technical, all hair is damaged. Hair is a dead fiber that can only be preserved as much as we care to preserve it and even then enviromental factors and even simple friction can damage the outermost layer of the hair's cuticle. It's a fact that on very long hair, the ends will have incurred considerable damage whether the hair is in a chemically unaltered state or not. By your definition of damage you should take into account these other forms that you can't see as immediately.
She says that her her is altered because it has been altered by heat to such a degree that the hair takes on a "straighter" appearance than it normally would in its natural state. True devastating damage (to her and in my opinion) is the kind where the hair strand is completely destroyed, which would mean her hair would be breaking, wispy, and thin. Clearly that is not the case she's been able to maintain the integrity of her hair strand regardless of the change in its natural curl pattern. This is evidenced in her videos. Her hair may be "heat damaged" to you, but by your definition of damage everyone's hair damaged. Just because you don't see the damage doesn't mean it's not there. Texture change isn't the only tell-tale sign of damage. As long as it looks healthy, she will continue to do her thing, just like you and I.
Typing from phone, please excuse my spelling and grammar.
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*SkolarStar*
Well-Known Member
Yea. And we shouldn't use heat protectant either because our hair is just like hers. 
*********. If she's such a veteran then she should know that not everyone's hair is the same. "Teflon Coated" hair is the perfect term to describe her hair and she's blessed to have that.
I've never seen her videos and just by this one I'm turned off. I feel bad for women following her practices and wondering why they're not getting the results they want.
*********. If she's such a veteran then she should know that not everyone's hair is the same. "Teflon Coated" hair is the perfect term to describe her hair and she's blessed to have that.
I've never seen her videos and just by this one I'm turned off. I feel bad for women following her practices and wondering why they're not getting the results they want.
bajandoc86
Lipstick Lover
She sounds so condescending sometimes.
Anywhoos....more power to her. I dont curr.
Anywhoos....more power to her. I dont curr.
BraunSugar
New Member
I wonder if a hair analysis was done on her strands what the condition would be. It's long. That's what matters most to some ppl.
overtherainbow
Well-Known Member
As a forever lurker, I've been waiting for someone to post this lol. I unsubbed from her after this video because she sounds too condescending here and in most of her other videos/comments. I'm also perplexed because she does use a form of a heat protectant, a cone based spray (but she doesn't admit to this until the end of the video).
Evolving78
Well-Known Member
I have seen her videos before. Basically she has unicorn, teflon-coated hair. She engages in hair practices that would render most women bald, but her hair thrives with that kind of care, so more power to her; it wouldn't be me by a longshot.
the fact that she can flat iron her hair at 400 plus degrees tells you something right there! i can't do that. she can use paper towels for end papers, i can't do that. she marches to her own drummer, but if i followed that beat, my hair would be on the floor somewhere.
but that heat protectant being a youtube thing is not true. been using that for years before youtube got popular with the hair stuff. and folks used to use grease or some type of wax to protect the hair from direct heat. people use to use pink lotion too.
TokyoReina
New Member
I love her channel. I don't get all the criticim, it works for her. Wouldn't necessarily work for me, but a lot of things that folks swear by on this very board don't work for me either. To each their own. The fact that she doesn't follow all the typical hair rules and still has gorgeous hair really irks some people.
LiftedUp
Well-Known Member
Good for her.
I do use a heat protectant. For the past year or two I use the Olive Oil & Mango Butter moisturizer from Elasa QP that also doubles as a heat protectant. Before I used an ORS moisturizer. I prefer to use moisturizers that doubles as a heat protectant because the sprays leave my hair sticky and dry (agree with her on that one) and the oil IMO amounts to frying your hair (agree with her also). However, my hair is relaxed and therefore the bonds are damaged to get it chemically straight. I therefore protect my strands as much as I can and the heat protectant does that. I also hardly use direct heat on my hair and when I do the iron is cool to warm because my hair is straight already from the relaxer.
Additionally, my hair stylist uses a heat protectant. When I went to cheaper salons they didn't use one. She's a black stylist concerned with growing and maintaining relaxed and natural hair so protection of the ends is one of her priorities.
I do understand that everyone hair is different and what one person's hair can take another person's hair may not withstand. Therefore, I do not think that her method should be taken wholesale. Do what's best for your hair in the short run and long run.
I do use a heat protectant. For the past year or two I use the Olive Oil & Mango Butter moisturizer from Elasa QP that also doubles as a heat protectant. Before I used an ORS moisturizer. I prefer to use moisturizers that doubles as a heat protectant because the sprays leave my hair sticky and dry (agree with her on that one) and the oil IMO amounts to frying your hair (agree with her also). However, my hair is relaxed and therefore the bonds are damaged to get it chemically straight. I therefore protect my strands as much as I can and the heat protectant does that. I also hardly use direct heat on my hair and when I do the iron is cool to warm because my hair is straight already from the relaxer.
Additionally, my hair stylist uses a heat protectant. When I went to cheaper salons they didn't use one. She's a black stylist concerned with growing and maintaining relaxed and natural hair so protection of the ends is one of her priorities.
I do understand that everyone hair is different and what one person's hair can take another person's hair may not withstand. Therefore, I do not think that her method should be taken wholesale. Do what's best for your hair in the short run and long run.
pre_medicalrulz
It Always Been About Hair!
Lol I never use to use it either. But in my defense, I didn't know much about it. 
tiffjust2002
New Member
thanks for the breakdown
Tonto
New Member
She doesn't say she uses a cone spray at the end of the video, but she states that her conditioner contains silicone, which is her heat protectant.
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KittyMeowMeow
Well-Known Member
I saw visible damage on her strands on the closeups. Split ends, midshaft splits, and weak/bent ends.
Most damaging hair practices are not going to render someone bald. I sometimes see someone advocating something damaging that still allowed them to get from TWA to SL. Lots of people can get to SL with damage because the hair is only a year or so old. When the hair gets to be 2, 3, or more years old (which you need to get to BSL & beyond), damage catches up.
The lenghts that a person will be "stuck at" vary from person to person. The hair practices that will get some stuck at APL will get others stuck at EL. Her hair seems to be highly resiliant, which is why she is stuck at a longer length than most would be. I assume she is stuck there because people who are intentionally maintaining a length have full, healthy ends because they are trimming to stay there.
I can't tell how long her hair is (seems about APL or shorter?), but why didn't she show the finished look?
Her hair looks shorter and less healthy than it did here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94q3NC_pbxA
I can't imagine the heat helped.
Most damaging hair practices are not going to render someone bald. I sometimes see someone advocating something damaging that still allowed them to get from TWA to SL. Lots of people can get to SL with damage because the hair is only a year or so old. When the hair gets to be 2, 3, or more years old (which you need to get to BSL & beyond), damage catches up.
The lenghts that a person will be "stuck at" vary from person to person. The hair practices that will get some stuck at APL will get others stuck at EL. Her hair seems to be highly resiliant, which is why she is stuck at a longer length than most would be. I assume she is stuck there because people who are intentionally maintaining a length have full, healthy ends because they are trimming to stay there.
I can't tell how long her hair is (seems about APL or shorter?), but why didn't she show the finished look?
Her hair looks shorter and less healthy than it did here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94q3NC_pbxA
I can't imagine the heat helped.
Tonto
New Member
Hmmm I don't think she is stuck on a certain length. She said herself she cut I don't know how many inches before she begins her challenge. She retained 3 inches in six months- 3 that looks like 4 inches to me-. If she was really stuck, her hair wouldn't go anywhere.
APL? I don't think so. Her hair is waist length
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw5jIHKSvj4
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greenandchic
Well-Known Member
I have seen her videos before. Basically she has unicorn, teflon-coated hair. She engages in hair practices that would render most women bald, but her hair thrives with that kind of care, so more power to her; it wouldn't be me by a longshot.
Right??! I knew who it was before I clicked on the link.
After I learned she goes weeks/months(?) without washing her hair, I knew I could not take her advice.
KittyMeowMeow
Well-Known Member
I stand corrected on APL. It looks like she had already straightened the bottom layers, which are longer. In the video you linked, we don't see the bottom of her hair, but it looks good and full at BSB at least (that's the lowest she shows).
If her hair grew 4 inches in 6 months, she has a very fast growth rate. Even if her hair grew 3 inches in 6 months, that is still faster than most of us. Fast growth helps someone achieve longer lengths with more damage because the hair isn't as old.
She was WL in this video from Aug 2012, and aspiring to be TB. So if her hair is still WL, with her growth rate, that is being stuck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgQcXIPyuHU
I'm happy for her that she can have hair that long while doing what she wants. Nothing wrong with sharing your hair care practices, no matter what they are. But it is a little like a skinny person with a high metabolism talking about their "burgers n fries" diet as if that helped them get thin, when actually, they got thin in spite of it. The difference is that while pretty much everyone knows some people have a fast metabolism and can eat whatever, good black hair practices are not widely understood. Judging by the video comments, it seems like a few people will be led astray.
If the burgers n fries diet is going to work for you, you are already skinny. If this regimen is going to work for you, you already have long hair.
geejay
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cutenss
Well-Known Member
Well, for me, if that is unhealthy hair, it looks a lot better that so called healthy heads I have seen. Its thick, shiny,and lush. It has lots of body and movement. I remember KimmyYT, when did her big reveal. I was not impressed. And she supposedly had healthy hair practices
greenandchic
Well-Known Member
Well, for me, if that is unhealthy hair, it looks a lot better that so called healthy heads I have seen. Its thick, shiny,and lush. It has lots of body and movement. I remember KimmyYT, when did her big reveal. I was not impressed. And she supposedly had healthy hair practices
KimmyYT's hair genetically is not thick, lush or shiny. It doesn't mean her hair is not healthy, its just not the type that would give you Pantene commercial results. When she did her last reveal, it was several months postpartum so I'm not surprised if she had some shedding...
Love Always
Well-Known Member
I agree that oil and flat ironing your hair doesn't mix. However, I use heat protectant on my hair when I press/flat iron my hair and I prefer spray heat protectant because it's a lot lighter than serums. I started getting my hair done at the beauty salon during high school and to be honest with you I don't remember the beautician using a heat protectant on my hair at all my hair was never heat damaged. My second beautician used heat protectant on my hair though and she used the sprays which I continue to use on my hair.
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