What Would You Do?

[Guitarhero]

If your pregnancy were potentially fatal, what Would You Do?

Sorry this has to be a separate thread but I overlooked including a poll in the abortion thread. I'm interested in knowing what you would do if you were in a situation where carrying a child to full-term would be fatal. WWYD?

Incidentally, the abortion rate of christians is nearly equal to that of non-religious. I am not in agreement with it but it is what it is.

 

[Poohbear]

Are you asking if we would abort if we were in the same situation as the 10-year-old girl that was raped, or just in general?

 

[Guitarhero]

Are you asking if we would abort if we were in the same situation as the 10-year-old girl that was raped, or just in general?

Neither, what would you do if your pregnancy would kill you if you didn't have an obstetrical abortion. This has nothing to do with the 10-year-old and is tied to the other thread. I couldn't edit to include a poll, which I forgot to add. I'm interested in knowing what the naysayers would do if they themselves were in this situation. Would they actually wait for their deaths?

 

[Crown]

Neither, what would you do if your pregnancy would kill you if you didn't have an obstetrical abortion. This has nothing to do with the 10-year-old and is tied to the other thread. I couldn't edit to include a poll, which I forgot to add. I'm interested in knowing what the naysayers would do if they themselves were in this situation. Would they actually wait for their deaths?

You mean :
Would they actually wait upon the Lord?

 

[Guitarhero]

You mean :
Would they actually wait upon the Lord?

Nope, I meant, what would they do, die? And I mean this in general so it's not aimed at you or anyone in particular, but far too often, the intellectuals try to dissect too much and the uber faithful tend to run from the problem and just "give it up in prayer" rather than being proactive in decisions in life. The latter are afraid to approach the issue with any thought and the former are afraid to become vulnerable. I guess the idea is to be in balance. But even that can be weighted by differences in culture and interpretation of scripture. And when emotions (either pro- or con-) become a factor, which is inevitable, then we tend to judge the opposite side. The answers, imho, are individual and personal between God and that family.

 

[Renovating]

I picked I am not sure what I would do. People saying what they would do in situations they have not been in is one of my biggest pet peeves. You don't know. Sure, we would all like to think we would take certain actions, but we can't be absolutely certain until are actually faced with that situation.

 

[Guitarhero]

And that could go either way with those who are dead-set on ridding themselves of the condition might opt to save the child's life and lose their own. We never know.

 

[Crown]

I picked I am not sure what I would do. People saying what they would do in situations they have not been in is one of my biggest pet peeves.

Why talk about it then?
The question is not about someone else or judging someone’s choice, but what would you/me do if...? We are just talking.
We all know we will effectively make a decision if/when we are in situation to do it.

You don't know. Sure, we would all like to think we would take certain actions, but we can't be absolutely certain until are actually faced with that situation.

That’s the point : what do you think you would like to do if…
And what you answer is words not actions, but can be words of faith.
Don’t forget affirmation straightens faith.
What you effectively do in a situation is between you and God.

 

[Crown]

Nope, I meant, what would they do, die? And I mean this in general so it's not aimed at you or anyone in particular, but far too often, the intellectuals try to dissect too much and the uber faithful tend to run from the problem and just "give it up in prayer" rather than being proactive in decisions in life. The latter are afraid to approach the issue with any thought and the former are afraid to become vulnerable. I guess the idea is to be in balance. But even that can be weighted by differences in culture and interpretation of scripture. And when emotions (either pro- or con-) become a factor, which is inevitable, then we tend to judge the opposite side. The answers, imho, are individual and personal between God and that family.

When a person chooses to abort (life issue), she is not choosing to disobey God, she makes her choice believing it is the right choice to save her life.

When a person chooses to not abort, she is not choosing to wait for her death, she makes her choice believing that God is omnipotent and can change evil in good, in other words she chooses to wait upon the Lord.

Choosing to abort is not necessary choosing to disobey.
Choosing to not abort is not necessary choosing to die.

 

[Renovating]

Why talk about it then?
The question is not about someone else or judging someone’s choice, but what would you/me do if...? We are just talking.
We all know we will effectively make a decision if/when we are in situation to do it.


That’s the point : what do you think you would like to do if…
And what you answer is words not actions, but can be words of faith.
Don’t forget affirmation straightens faith.
What you effectively do in a situation is between you and God.

Thanks, but I'm clear on the question and the point of the question. I was just stated MY opinion which I am entitled to.

 

[Crown]

Thanks, but I'm clear on the question and the point of the question. I was just stated MY opinion which I am entitled to.

I 200% agree!

Don't you think someone who chooses other than I don't know has the same right?

In the general, I don't understand why, as Christians or just as humans, we cannot talk without : close minded, pet peeves, non sense...

Come one, it's not so personal, it's just a talk, and someone else can have a different opinion without attacking you (general).

I picked I am not sure what I would do. People saying what they would do in situations they have not been in is one of my biggest pet peeves. You don't know.

 

[Renovating]

I 200% agree!

Don't you think someone who chooses other than I don't know has the same right?

In the general, I don't understand why, as Christians or just as humans, we cannot talk without : close minded, pet peeves, non sense...

Come one, it's not so personal, it's just a talk, and someone else can have a different opinion without attacking you (general).

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[Crown]

I'm not sure what your issue is, but I didn't deny anyone their right to have an opinion.

BTW, it's human to have pet peeves, as well as things you favor and if you can't see how the bolded is bit insulting, then I can't explain it to you.

Have a great day.

I think as humans is a general term with the same meaning in French and in English, it is a positive term, not a negative one. For example :
As humans, we have the ability to receive the Holy Spirit.
As humans, we can help each other.
As humans, we can agree to disagree.

Sorry if my words insult you. I can assure you that it was not my intention :Rose:.

 

[KnottyGurl]

Continuously pray and wait for clear guidance about what to do. So, I guess I'm not sure, although I'd be leaning toward preserving my child's life, even if it's without me.

 

[Poohbear]

When a person chooses to abort (life issue), she is not choosing to disobey God, she makes her choice believing it is the right choice to save her life.

When a person chooses to not abort, she is not choosing to wait for her death, she makes her choice believing that God is omnipotent and can change evil in good, in other words she chooses to wait upon the Lord.

Choosing to abort is not necessary choosing to disobey.
Choosing to not abort is not necessary choosing to die.

Thanks for pointing out the bolded sentence above. I wish more people would realize this.

I know this is a bit off subject, but it's like a doctor telling you, "You have cancer. You only have 2 months to live." Come to find out, you live beyond 2 months. Let's say you live an additional 20 years until you die.

So if we were in a case where a doctor tells us, "If you have this baby, it can be fatal to your life. You will die if you give birth." Are we to automatically believe the doctor and say, "Ok. Abort the baby. I want to save my life"? How do you know you will not live? Plus, women can die from getting abortions too.

 

[song_of_serenity]

I am extremely pro life.

Given your question, say there was an ectopic pregnancy...

In that case (in the scenario),the doctor states both mum and baby would die. Without host mother, there will be no baby.
Even at no risk to the mum (which there is) in that situation, where a baby is developing in a place like, say a fallopian tube where it would end up not being viable anyway, I would probably terminate the pregnancy. Survival of the baby would not happen anyway.

Now if the doctor said "You have a fast developing form of cancer. If you get chemo now, you will survive, but if you wait the term of this pregnancy, you will die. Will you terminate? You cannot have chemo while pregnant" (I know you can, some studies show it wouldn't harm the baby, but let's say that termination is the only option for the sake of the asked question.)

That...I wouldn't abort.

God above, though, I hope I don't have to ever deal with the first. Even knowing what I know about it, I would still feel horrible.

 

[Guitarhero]

Ectopic pregnancies are not the only complicated types. I'm surprised that no one has done any further research. For those women with pre-existing conditions such as auto-immune diseases, hypertension, diabetes etc., and they either just found out they have those diseases in pregnancy or that they knew beforehand and decided to go through with the pregnancy anyway, there are serious conditions that can arise that require intervention sooner than later. When they arise, a decision must be made. I'm sorry, the analogy with cancer is not effective and not at all appropriate.

 

[Guitarhero]

When a person chooses to abort (life issue), she is not choosing to disobey God, she makes her choice believing it is the right choice to save her life.

When a person chooses to not abort, she is not choosing to wait for her death, she makes her choice believing that God is omnipotent and can change evil in good, in other words she chooses to wait upon the Lord.

Choosing to abort is not necessary choosing to disobey.
Choosing to not abort is not necessary choosing to die.

That's your take. You asked me what I meant and I told you. This is not at all what I am saying for myself. This is what you are saying for YOURself. I can respect that. Everyone is so stuck on ectopic pregnancies. If your blood pressure is rising and you'll die unless there is some kind of intervention, that absolutely means taking action. Perhaps the child is developed enough to survive cesaerean or perhaps not.

Actually, this thread serves as a SELF-EXPLANATORY poll solely. Why the obvious is being questioned over and over again just speaks of stubbornness to actually look at all sides of an issue. People are going to believe what they will. I don't see what's so difficult about the poll. If your heart were giving out due to high blood pressure, danger of aneurysms and imminent death in a matter of hours...what would you do. Pure and simple. Good grief.

 

[*crystal*]

I picked I am not sure what I would do. People saying what they would do in situations they have not been in is one of my biggest pet peeves. You don't know. Sure, we would all like to think we would take certain actions, but we can't be absolutely certain until are actually faced with that situation.

Absolutely! We wouldn't really know what we would do unless we were in it. Life lessons have been teaching me this. So my answer would be, I'm not sure.

 

[Guitarhero]

I'm sorry if my wording was harsh. It's just irritating. Forgive me.

One thing is certain for me, if I chose to have a medical intervention, I'd feel sorrow the rest of my life. I know that much. But I'd take comfort knowing that we did the best we could under the circumstances and that a child I'd never known awaits me in heaven.

 

[Renovating]

I can't and I won't forgive you. ................
(just kidding)


You didn't do anything wrong. (no need to apologize)

 

[brg240]

Sure, we would all like to think we would take certain actions, but we can't be absolutely certain until are actually faced with that situation.

But then there isn't a point of asking the question. Or any questions that are hypothetical in that matter.

I wouldn't have the abortion and I'd do everything the doctor told me to do to lessen the risk of fatality.

The doctor's told my Nana that if she had my mom she'd die but she didn't so there is always a chance.

 

[momi]

I don't believe abortion is right under any circumstance. Also, there are certain situations that I believe God will give you the grace and courage to endure ONLY when you need it. Right now that would be difficult to digest knowing there would be a possibility that I would not be around for my husband and children, however I would trust that God would give me the faith to endure.

Quite frankly, I pray that none of us would be faced with this test.

 

[Renovating]

But then there isn't a point of asking the question. Or any questions that are hypothetical in that matter.

I wouldn't have the abortion and I'd do everything the doctor told me to do to lessen the risk of fatality.

The doctor's told my Nana that if she had my mom she'd die but she didn't so there is always a chance.

The point is simple discussion and I understand that. I guess I should have been clearer. These discussions don't bother me. It's only when someone speaks matter-of-factly about situations they have not experienced.

 

[Poohbear]

Why y'all keep picking on authenticmanifesting about the answer she gave? CreoleNat asked the question, and authenticmanifesting gave her an answer. Her answer just wasn't "I would abort" or "I would not abort". On CreoleNat's poll for this thread, "I am not sure what I would do" was an option to choose from.

 

[song_of_serenity]

. I'm sorry, the analogy with cancer is not effective and not at all appropriate.

What are you going on about? For Pete's sake, people are trying to answer your question (didn't the last thread getting locked clue you in about this) and you're saying not appropriate?

It's a "What would you do." question. I have two scenarios, which obviously aren't the only ones. We ALL know that there are numerous complications that can arrive from being pregnant. I chose two, one where the fetus would not survive under ANY circumstances and the other where the doctor says you either DO THIS or die.

One is the fact that the baby will NOT survive ANYWAY if you ATTEMPT to let the baby go to term

One is the baby WILL survive if you do bypass doctor's orders and gave MY answer to both. If the baby would not survive ANYWAY? Then I would terminate. If the baby had a chance TO survive, yes, I would risk my life and allow the baby to live. Is that clear enough?

 

[Guitarhero]

What are you going on about? For Pete's sake, people are trying to answer your question (didn't the last thread getting locked clue you in about this) and you're saying not appropriate?

It's a "What would you do." question. I have two scenarios, which obviously aren't the only ones. We ALL know that there are numerous complications that can arrive from being pregnant. I chose two, one where the fetus would not survive under ANY circumstances and the other where the doctor says you either DO THIS or die.

One is the fact that the baby will NOT survive ANYWAY if you ATTEMPT to let the baby go to term

One is the baby WILL survive if you do bypass doctor's orders and gave MY answer to both. If the baby would not survive ANYWAY? Then I would terminate. If the baby had a chance TO survive, yes, I would risk my life and allow the baby to live. Is that clear enough?

Not appropriate, not fitting, not analogous to the specific situation I mentioned. Bad choice of word.

It's like few people actually wish to allow a difference of opinion without trying to bring those opinions under the "proper" view. Few wish to see this issue as it is, as it was presented and that's okay. They don't have to participate. But at least allow a difference of opinion without trying to say that the other opinions are not valid and that perhaps they meant something else. That's just it, though. We're individuals and there are hundreds if not thousands of types of christians and rules. It's not about the 10-year-old nor the age-appropriateness of pregnancy, it's what you would think you'd do if in a situation where your life were in danger with near immediate effect.

BTW, I explained this was for poll purposes really because I forgot to include. I don't mean to open up another discussion on the topic but felt the need to say what I did when even the poll questions were challenged. There are 3 options. Actually, 4. One doesn't have to take the poll. Most have not. And I'm fine with that.

 

[Poohbear]

^^^CreoleNat,

I don't see how song_of_serenity didn't answer your poll or question. She just decided to elaborate on her answer with different scenarios in a post. Abortion, pregnancy, giving birth, and motherhood are big decisions in life for a woman. And I don't see where she said other opinions are not valid.

Were you just expecting people to just vote and not post at all?

And were you hoping everyone or the majority of ladies here would just vote for the option: "I would abort to save my life"?

 

[Guitarhero]

^^^CreoleNat,

I don't see how song_of_serenity didn't answer your poll or question. She just decided to elaborate on her answer with different scenarios in a post. Abortion, pregnancy, giving birth, and motherhood are big decisions in life for a woman. And I don't see where she said other opinions are not valid.

Were you just expecting people to just vote and not post at all?

And were you hoping everyone or the majority of ladies here would just vote for the option: "I would abort to save my life"?

Bingo. That's why I included the apology. No need to open another thread when the original was closed. It's simple, really. Regarding SongofSerenity, I never said SHE said other opinions were not valid.

 

[NitaChantell]

I would not abort under any circumstances, UNLESS God told me to. It's as simple as that for me. Although, I doubt He would, since "Do not kill" is one of the commandments.