Well ... Should He? Step Down ? Bishop Long?

[sidney]

So today I just found out Brian Carn had a prophecy about this situation a year ago and I believe he may have been referring to Eddie Long. He says he saw in a vision two homosexual boys seated on the left and right of this very popular preacher in the preacher's home. He came out of that vision and into another vision where he was seated in the church and the man preacher was preaching and the church members were going wild, but afterward the preacher returned back home with the homosexual boys. I think it's interesting that Carn says "boys" and not men which is what occured in Long's case. Reports have stated that when Bishop Long preached on sunday the church members were falling out all over the church as Long preached on Sunday. It was quite a circus from what I hear.

Please excuse me ladies if I am passionate about this case, but something is awry and quite frankly I am mad and disturbed about this situation. And I see something is not right here. And too be honest I am amazed that church members refuse to exercise more scrutiny in situations like this. It seems that there is a feeling that is almost "inconceivable" that a man of the cloth would do this, and that these men must be lying or scheming. This is the very reason why victims don't speak up, particularly males, and particularly black males. But it happens all the time in churches, black men touched by pastors, deacons, etc etc and we allow this to perpetuate because its so "inconceivable" that the pastor could have done it. I feel like the blinders are on and we need to look at what is happening here. It's not adding up. That little tug in you telling you that something aint right is the holy spirit, but for christians it's so inconceivable. It seems like the world has more discernment than the church members on this issue. I've never been abused but it always hits me to the core when I hear an abuser speak up, especially because it always seems so inconceivable to the people they share it with. Something rubs me wrong about Long, and it may be all the more apparent to me because to be honest I've never really heard about him before this incident came up. But I don't know, this man is not right.

Anyway Here is the video.YouTube - Brian Carn - "Spirit of Perversion and Deception" In the Church

Funny because he mentions Saul in the clip and I was just saying that about Long yesterday.

 

[Shimmie]

So today I just found out Brian Carn had a prophecy about this situation a year ago and I believe he may have been referring to Eddie Long. He says he saw in a vision two homosexual boys seated on the left and right of this very popular preacher in the preacher's home. He came out of that vision and into another vision where he was seated in the church and the man preacher was preaching and the church members were going wild, but afterward the preacher returned back home with the homosexual boys. I think it's interesting that Carn says "boys" and not men which is what occured in Long's case. Reports have stated that when Bishop Long preached on sunday the church members were falling out all over the church as Long preached on Sunday. It was quite a circus from what I hear.

Please excuse me ladies if I am passionate about this case, but something is awry and quite frankly I am mad and disturbed about this situation. And I see something is not right here. And too be honest I am amazed that church members refuse to exercise more scrutiny in situations like this. It seems that there is a feeling that is almost "inconceivable" that a man of the cloth would do this, and that these men must be lying or scheming. This is the very reason why victims don't speak up, particularly males, and particularly black males. But it happens all the time in churches, black men touched by pastors, deacons, etc etc and we allow this to perpetuate because its so "inconceivable" that the pastor could have done it. I feel like the blinders are on and we need to look at what is happening here. It's not adding up. That little tug in you telling you that something aint right is the holy spirit, but for christians it's so inconceivable. It seems like the world has more discernment than the church members on this issue. I've never been abused but it always hits me to the core when I hear an abuser speak up, especially because it always seems so inconceivable to the people they share it with. Something rubs me wrong about Long, and it may be all the more apparent to me because to be honest I've never really heard about him before this incident came up. But I don't know, this man is not right.

Anyway Here is the video.YouTube - Brian Carn - "Spirit of Perversion and Deception" In the Church

Funny because he mentions Saul in the clip and I was just saying that about Long yesterday.

Hi Sidney .... Angel, don't feel bad about your feelings. I have them as well. As a matter fact, I have a whole list of the things that I feel 'some kind'a' way' about this situation.

My heart is in prayer for everyone here and trust me, I too, wonder what his congregation is afraid of?

You can see by the number of 'typos' that I've been making in my posts. I'm typing in a fury here... and I'm not trying to be funny, but that's how it is.

Am I making any sense? I've been typing with the rhythm of my emotions... in a flurry.

Bottom line, is Sidney, Precious Love you are not alone. I share your feelings and I have to stay prayerful only because it's a reality that has to be acknowledged and dealt with.

God bless you Precious Sidney and thank you for encouraging me, because you have in a huge way.

 

[joy2day]

I am really praying that Long doesn't prolong this drama. I pray that he will make his confessions, whatever they might be, and step down. The Lord told us in His Word according to Eph. 3:20 "...[He] is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us..." I am praying that we manifest the exceeding power of God to work in this situation, according to our prayers, the power with in us.

The victims in this case, if they be so, don't deserve to be called liars. They don't deserve to be humiliated. They don't deserve death threats. My heart aches for them. With tears in my eyes, I am praying that the Lord be magnified through the power of our prayers, that Long would step down, and that the oil of healing would flow from the Holy Spirit to heal the young men; to heal Long's family; to heal the congregation; to heal the broken hearted in the Body; and to heal Long himself.

"He heals the brokenhearted, and binds up their wounds [curing their pains and their sorrows]. - Psalm 147:3, Amplified Translation

Blessing to you all.

 

[NYDiva]

I think about all that has been written here and I think scripture

Matthew 6:19-21 and 24

19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[e] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

24 "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."

The fact that Long is not stepping down IMHO shows where his heart truly belongs. Stepping down in my eyes does not admit guilt or innocence but that he is humbling himself to the Lord. That he is seeking the Lord in how to rectify the situation. That he is allowing the Lord to take the helm of his life and submitting to what the Will of the Lord is. Not what the lawyers say, or other pastors, or even his flock, but simply listening to the Lord. That he allowing the Lord to make him into a new creature.
Not stepping down to me looks like self-idolatry that he can fix it that he himself is God. That his treasure is in his image, his money, his status and not in God. This is a time to prove witness to others both believers and nonbelievers that God truly provides for his people and will deliver them from any and everything and all we have to do is SUBMIT to the Will of the Lord. Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added to you. Matthew 6:33

i agree he needs to step down now guilty or not.
Jesus is greater than any circumstance the bishop finds himself in and as long as he is preaching he brings the attention to him and his situation instead of jesus where it belongs.

 

[CreativeOne]

Yes he needs to step down, but he'll probaby try to hold on anyway..his kids and wife i feel bad for them...
he should not be thinking about himself.

 

[Spring]

He should step down along with other leaders that have turned a blind eye to inappropriate interactions between Long and members of the Church.

 

[Shimmie]

I am really praying that Long doesn't prolong this drama. I pray that he will make his confessions, whatever they might be, and step down. The Lord told us in His Word according to Eph. 3:20 "...[He] is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us..." I am praying that we manifest the exceeding power of God to work in this situation, according to our prayers, the power with in us.

The victims in this case, if they be so, don't deserve to be called liars. They don't deserve to be humiliated. They don't deserve death threats. My heart aches for them. With tears in my eyes, I am praying that the Lord be magnified through the power of our prayers, that Long would step down, and that the oil of healing would flow from the Holy Spirit to heal the young men; to heal Long's family; to heal the congregation; to heal the broken hearted in the Body; and to heal Long himself.

"He heals the brokenhearted, and binds up their wounds [curing their pains and their sorrows]. - Psalm 147:3, Amplified Translation

Blessing to you all.

I've been praying for a 'quick' and thorough end to this... Enough is enough, all ready.

Blessings to you and all ... :Rose:

 

[Mahalialee4]

But sadly, 'the vow of poverty' did not stop them from molesting children and 'wives'. Maybe they (Catholic priest and Protestant pastor, prophet, perps) just all need to stop lying to themselves and "get them to a monastery"! thousands of miles from the nearest bus stop and ABSOLUTELY 'no computers!' or trips to Thailand.

 

[Mahalialee4]

This is a crime, even by Biblical standards. Matthew 18: is to settle matters between brother...to work things out.

THERE IS NOTHING FOR ANYONE TO 'WORK OUT' WITH BISHOP LONG.
Scripturally, 'AT THE MOUTH OF 2 0R 3 WITNESSES, HE HAS BEEN ACCUSED.....MAY BE FOUND GUILTY.....(Deuteronomy, Timothy)).......and that 'Church' is walking in 'rebellion to the Word of God by not 'removing him from the pulpit'.

Yes. He should have stepped down. Day 2. And if those elders do not remove him, they are sharers in this wickedness. Oh, according to the Word, he does not have to be found guilty. Just an 'elder' who has 2 or 3 accusers.

 

[Mahalialee4]

And to add insult to injury, of his flaunting his ego in the face of the alleged victims and their families, and the world....THAT CHURCH that is 'asleep but jumping up and down', is going to HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL FOR ANY COSTS HE ENCUMBERS IN HIS DEFENSE!!!. He will use their money to pay his legal fees....you can take that to the bank!!!!

 

[LovelyNaps26]

He needs to at least go on sabbatical. If he wants to make up an excuse or reason (a season of fasting an prayer during spiritual warfare then so be it). I don't think he should be seen at new birth until he is completely vindicated of all charges. If found guilty then he can return to make the kind of speak Bill Clinton made when he (finally!) admitted his relationship with Monica.

This kind of stuff makes me pray even more for my pastor. It would hurt me so bad if I found out my pastor was doing dirt. I would love him, but I would have a hard time going to church. I don't know how folks manage going to Bishop Thomas Weeks' church. Sorry, I digress.

 

[Guitarhero]

I'm not trying to place dirt...but we had a problem at our church because the chalice and candelabras (real gold) were stolen. They began locking up the church. What's a church if they are all locked up most of the day? You're supposed to access the Temple any time...but people these days...sigh. Come to find out...it was the pastor who stole them. They spent money to up security! He had a gambling problem. He was reprimanded and had to face the courts with serious charges...but they lessened the charges and whatnot. He's probably still paying restitution..and the shame. It made a huge local story. I felt sorry...but he was reprimanded appropriately. Long has got to feel safe enough in Jesus' arms to face himself, this issue, and the public's opinion...he's going to need reprimanding either for having committed this thing and/or not humbling himself. Because even if he is innocent, this display of arrogance and resistance is horrible. He's got to feel safe that Jesus is the solution...not his ego. I pray for protection of all innocents worldwide so that they never get into that type of situation.

 

[yodie]

Seems like this 'scandal' has already been hushed . Any updates?

 

[gn1g]

This fiasco is effecting my relationship with the church.

I am under TD Jakes ministry.

I LOVE the God and I am on a first name bases with JESUS. I talk to God daily and he talks to me. yea that's how we roll . . . but I really don't want to attend church anymore.

Just before this happened with EL, God had instructed me to take my child to another church in the city, well I had been reading Luke and read about how Jesus had given the men specific "INSTRUCTION" on how to catch the fish so I said to the Lord if you can give them such specific instruction on catching fish you can surely give me instructions on how to help my teenager and how to get a job! I received the instructions a couple days later to take her to a particular church in the city along with 2 of her friends. When I got there I was amazed at what the Lord had done, there was an entire wall -huge wall- in the church that was a fish aquarium! It was gorgeous but not only that the entire sanctuary was made in the shape of a fish! No body but God. So my kid and the other 2 teens had a good time it didn't even feel like church but they can tell you all about the sermon. The pastor is great. The kids always want to go to this church. I love bishop Jakes. So I said hey God what's up. I can't make it to both churches! So the Lord said go to the other church for a season. I can't help but to think that God is moving me out of the way. Cause how long is a season??

The preacher preached on seedless fruit. Girls he was on to something!! saying seedless fruit = same sex relationship.

 

[yodie]

It still bothers me that he hasn't come out and said, "I'm NOT GUILTY!"

 

[Spring]

This was posted in the other thread, but apparently there's a pastor that's organizing some type of rally at the capitol in Atlanta. Maybe he's hoping this gesture would cause more Christians to publicly ask for Long to step down. It appears that the response from a NB member is one of defiance and shows an attitude that Long is not accountable to the body of Christ,.... according to her, Long is only accountable to their group.

Re: CNN Breaking News - Bishop Eddie Long sexually abused followers
A South Carolina Church Is Preparing to Protest Bishop Eddie Long - BCNN1
http://blackchristiannews.com/news/...s-preparing-to-protest-bishop-eddie-long.html

 

[Vonnieluvs08]

This was posted in the other thread, but apparently there's a pastor that's organizing some type of rally at the capitol in Atlanta. Maybe he's hoping this gesture would cause more Christians to publicly ask for Long to step down. It appears that the response from a NB member is one of defiance and shows an attitude that Long is not accountable to the body of Christ,.... according to her, Long is only accountable to their group.

This just goes back to what I stated in my second post. Only the quote by Hinson shows that Long's ways have "poisoned" his flock as well. How can you say that the Body of Christ is not accountable to each other? This is to say IMO that they are a "separate" body and I don't see how that is possible if they call themselves followers and believers of Jesus Christ.

This situation is getting out of control. I'm going to have to go pray some more.

 

[Laela]

TD Jakes speaking to New Birth in Atlanta "The Spellbreaker":

PART 1 [Simon, Philip & Saul]
YouTube - Bishop TD Jakes - The Spellbreaker 1

PART 2 [A shaking up is coming]
YouTube - Bishop TD Jakes - The Spellbreaker 2

PART 3 [Leaders and their burdens]
YouTube - Bishop TD Jakes - The Spellbreaker - 3

PART 4 [A regimented Legion, demons and their territories]
YouTube - Bishop TD Jakes - The Spellbreaker 4

PART 5 [enough is enough]
YouTube - Bishop TD Jakes - The Spellbreaker 5

PART 6 [Long anointed]
YouTube - Bishop TD Jakes - The Spellbreaker - 6

PART 7 [Spell has been broken]
YouTube - Bishop TD Jakes - The Spellbreaker - 6

 

[LovingLady]

Secret spirits of perversion is broken . . .

 

[Detroit2Dallas]

the children of israel wanted a king, they placed him higher then God, they are getting exactly what they have longed for in their hearts pray for the members that God will not allow them to eat that which they crave and that they will repent and seek God over man

 

[Detroit2Dallas]

also I must say, you ladies are talking about how he refuses to sit himself down and how he is misleading the flock, but think about this. what if this man is a double agent? seriously. someone who is demon possesed, a warlock, a agent of satan and is purposing misleading the flock while he takes on the role of Pastor. I wondered this especially when he had the news at his church and said nothing fruitful, it was a show, he makes a mockery of God and His word in His sermons. why? I thought in that moment, when I saw him give his infamous "speech" on his accusations, that this man knows what he is doing as far as the damage he causes on many and he doesnt care because he knows who he works for and his assignment. He knows he isnt a man of God but one who is posing......or maybe I'm just sleepy and my crazy conspiracy theories are surfacing.

 

[8HoursFromHome]

^^not crazy, more like a moment of clarity, me thinks..

 

[star]

There is no need to step down if you have done nothing wrong it does not matter what people think of you and running is sign of guilt. People in high places such as these and rich are always targets some guilty some not. No one would run me out of my job over rumors.

 

[nathansgirl1908]

yes. I think he should step down until everything is settled.