Well ... Should He? Step Down ? Bishop Long?

Should He Step Down?

  • Yes

    Votes: 53 82.8%
  • No

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 9 14.1%

  • Total voters
    64

Shimmie

"God is the Only Truth -- Period"
Staff member
I say .............................












Yes. :yep:

He needs to step down. Guilty or not guilty, he needs to step down. This is what scripture says to do. He must step down in obedience to the Word of God. All Leaders must be 'above reproach', when not it misleads others.

The spirit of the Leader trickles down into the flock... as the oil ran down 'Aaron's beard', so does one's spirit and falls upon those in its way.

He must step down and allow God to raise him up if proven 'not guilty'.

Fear and Pride must give way to the promptings of the Holy Spirit who leads and guides into all Truth.

He's gotta step down... in Jesus' Name. Amen.
 
I think he should definitely step down if he is found guilty.


BUT I wonder if His church family is even handling this issue Biblically, the way it should be handled according to Matthew 18

15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
 
I voted 'Not Sure.' I think he should step down if proven guilty, but the 'if' will take some time. However, I can't imagine him preaching a regular sermon on Sunday morning either. Just a sad situation all around.
 
I say he should. If he values his family then he should step down to reconcile with them. He should step down to focus on his relationship with the Lord. If he wants to be a good Leader he should step down to show that he is committed to the Lord above all else. That he recognizes his sin and his betrayal to the Lord and to his flock. I think stepping down in any of these cases shows repentance and that his heart longs to please the Lord by removing distractions and the things that caused him to stumble in the first place.

The only way I think he should return is if the Lord allows him in the future. I would pray good Christian men would surround him that have no ties to his church to facilitate this process of reconciliation and would be able to deem him secure in the Lord to even think about returning as a Leader in the church.
 
He should step down but I bet he wont. On ybf he told people at his church that this was Spiritual Warfare. I bet he is too big headed to even consider stepping down. To me this is no different than any man in a position of power that uses that that power to get woman. Only different thing is he did it with man.


Now on that note I need some pictures from these men cause even thou I just said that I still have doubts.
 
Thank you for sharing your heart about this. My thanks to each of you. All of you have posted answers which I'm taking to heart, for you have given me more answers and wisdom, which stills me from having an emotional see-saw. It's been a challenge for me because I feel so sad for the young men, and for the New Birth Ministry 'family'.

As a child, I can remember my Mom making 'all' of us (me and my two sisters) sit down, when we were 'sparing' with one another and there was an issue. She 'sat' each of us down, make us stop casting the blame on each other, and we 'sat' until the issue was corrected / resolved.

Mommie ruled... we were shut down. :nono2:

When Jesus was 'on trial', He spoke not a word; He did not step upon an altar nor a soap box. He spoke not a word, as He stood 'accused', before Pilate. He left His judgment in the hands of God our Father.

This post [below] brings this scripture into my heart:

In Psalm 46, God's Word is clear: "Be still.......... and know that I am God.".

Vonnieluvs08*/ said:
I say he should. If he values his family then he should step down to reconcile with them. He should step down to focus on his relationship with the Lord. If he wants to be a good Leader he should step down to show that he is committed to the Lord above all else. That he recognizes his sin and his betrayal to the Lord and to his flock. I think stepping down in any of these cases shows repentance and that his heart longs to please the Lord by removing distractions and the things that caused him to stumble in the first place.

The only way I think he should return is if the Lord allows him in the future. I would pray good Christian men would surround him that have no ties to his church to facilitate this process of reconciliation and would be able to deem him secure in the Lord to even think about returning as a Leader in the church.


Blessings Ladies, Blessings to EACH of you; we're keeping each other 'strong' ... "Iron Sharpens Iron"

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I say he should most definitely step down and he should have done so already. This man shows absolutely no humility WHATSOEVER. Even if he is not guilty, in all of the publicized words that he has spoken over the past few days, not once did he ask the Lord to have mercy on his so called "accusers." Not once (that I saw) did he ever ask his congregation to pray for the young men. He keeps portraying himself as the victim, and as one being attacked in warfare. That says to me that he is now operating in a level of vanity and hubris that has absolutely no business in the pulpit.

CNN laid out a timeline of his ascension into ministry and New Birth on Monday. On that timeline, it showed Long firing the Deacon Board and the Board of Trustees soon after he became pastor of NBMBC, citing both as "ungodly." He is accountable to no one. That is enough for me right there. No one can tell this man anything, so it will be quite a battle to even get him to step down. Help us Lord.
 
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I think he should step down whether or not he is found guilty because of the scandal that he has brought to the church. Now, this church has the cloud surrounding it and will be subjected to more intense public scrutiny. If he really cared about the church, he should step down.
 
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I say he should most definitely step down and he should have done so already. This man shows absolutely no humility WHATSOEVER.

Even if he is not guilty, in all of the publicized words that he has spoken over the past few days, not once did he ask the Lord to have mercy on his so called "accusers." Not once (that I saw) did he ever ask his congregation to pray for the young men. He keeps portraying himself as the victim, and as one being attacked in warfare. That says to me that he is now operating in a level of vanity and hubris that has absolutely no business in the pulpit.

CNN laid out a timeline of his ascension into ministry and New Birth on Monday. On that timeline, it showed Long firing the Deacon Board and the Board of Trustees soon after he became pastor of NBMBC, siting both as "ungodly." He is accountable to no one. That is enough for me right there. No one can tell this man anything, so it will be quite a battle to even get him to step down. Help us Lord.

Hi Precious Joy2day..... :Rose:

Hubris.... Now 'that's' a word. :yep:

He's also 'fearful' for he is about to lose all that he has been 'hubris' about. He's sat before 'kings', noble persons, those in high authority.... his Ministry's banner has long been 'Taking Authority'.

Right now, I'm thinking of the movie "Men of Honor" with Jack Nicholson, who indeed demonstrates the word, 'hubris'. His was a strong leader, yet in his weakness he took a precious life, that of innocent 'Private Santiago". And his [Nicholson's] defense was, he was needed too badly to be de-throned by stating, "You 'need' me on that wall."

There's a need to 'sit down', to come away from the spotlight, so that God can have and complete His perfect work in him and for those precious young men;

.....and I pray.... that he submits to the humility of confessing his 'imperfections' and allowing God to deliver him and to follow Jesus with a humble heart and not anger for being de-throned. For when 'we' follow Jesus, He leads us not into 'temptation' and delivers us from all evil, from all manner of being fearful and hubris.

Thanks Joy2day :flowers:
 
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I was watching the news this evening and they showed clips from a sermon he preached...I guess it was last night or sometime this week and I was watching it I was thinking to myself that he needs to step down.
 
I say he should most definitely step down and he should have done so already. This man shows absolutely no humility WHATSOEVER. Even if he is not guilty, in all of the publicized words that he has spoken over the past few days, not once did he ask the Lord to have mercy on his so called "accusers." Not once (that I saw) did he ever ask his congregation to pray for the young men. He keeps portraying himself as the victim, and as one being attacked in warfare. That says to me that he is now operating in a level of vanity and hubris that has absolutely no business in the pulpit.

CNN laid out a timeline of his ascension into ministry and New Birth on Monday. On that timeline, it showed Long firing the Deacon Board and the Board of Trustees soon after he became pastor of NBMBC, siting both as "ungodly." He is accountable to no one. That is enough for me right there. No one can tell this man anything, so it will be quite a battle to even get him to step down. Help us Lord.

I'm on it. I found the article.
 
This is an interview with a member.

I can really appreciate that he isn't just on the bandwagon for Long's innocence.

He is seeking the truth and also mentioned how his individual relationship with God is not related to his relationship with his Bishop.
 
Yes Eddie Long should step down...

The real question should be - Who is going to sit him down? There is no deacon board with voting privilege, no organizational structure at New Birth to hold this pastor or other clergy members accountable.

IMO he should have stepped down a long time ago.:yep: This is not the first lawsuit filed against New Birth...it's just the first time it has been brought to the public eye.
 
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I think he should definitely step down if he is found guilty.


BUT I wonder if His church family is even handling this issue Biblically, the way it should be handled according to Matthew 18

15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.


I don't think that can apply to this matter. What if one of the "boys" was under 16 at the time? One never knows. He is a public figure. The bible is not null and void but we should use common sense. If one listened very carefully to Long, he admits guilt about the situation "I'm not perfect....whether found guilty or not....we are under fire...persecution." :perplexed Nooooooo, you're under fire for your actions, son. This is psychological manipulation. I feel sorry for his wife and kids. Perhaps I've already judged and fined him. But it just doesn't add up.


@Shimmie
LOL. I can recommend that another one do the same. We'll see. I totally agree with your post. Loving and obeying Jesus ain't got jack-squat to do with allowing some preacher/pope/minister/priest/etc. to abuse people IMHO.
 
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I would really pray at this point that some of these "spiritual fathers" that this man has in ministry (Bishop Jakes is one) are giving him sound advice based on sound doctrine and not LASCIVIOUSNESS! These people who are in his inner circle have the opportunity and really are charged with telling him the truth and admonishing him in the Word of the Lord. They are the ones that have the opportunity to admonish him to sit down.

If they (those in his inner circle) don't do so, and these allegations prove true, they are as guilty as he is. Frankly, as I outlined earlier, I think that he is guilty of something. (Sadly, I think that his friends in ministry/leadership have enabled him for years.)

And we know, if God has to step in and make him sit down, my, my, my....
 
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I don't think that can apply to this matter. What if one of the "boys" was under 16 at the time? One never knows. He is a public figure. The bible is not null and void but we should use common sense. If one listened very carefully to Long, he admits guilt about the situation "I'm not perfect....whether found guilty or not....we are under fire...persecution." :perplexed Nooooooo, you're under fire for your actions, son. This is psychological manipulation. I feel sorry for his wife and kids. Perhaps I've already judged and fined him. But it just doesn't add up.


@Shimmie
LOL. I can recommend that another one do the same. We'll see. I totally agree with your post.
Loving and obeying Jesus ain't got jack-squat to do with allowing some preacher/pope/minister/priest/etc. to abuse people IMHO
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Indeed ... :yep: :yep: :yep:
 
Yeah, just think, with 25,000+ church members, he's probably bringing in over at minimum $25,000 each Sunday ($100,000+ a month!!!), so he probably isn't going to step down, but I he should step down.
 
I would really pray at this point that some of these "spiritual fathers" that this man has in ministry (Bishop Jakes is one) are giving him sound advice based on sound doctrine and not LASCIVIOUSNESS! These people who are in his inner circle have the opportunity and really are charged with telling him the truth and admonishing him in the Word of the Lord. They are the ones that have the opportunity to admonish him to sit down.

If they (those in his inner circle) don't do so, and these allegations prove true, they are as guilty as he is. Frankly, as I outlined earlier, I think that he is guilty of something. (Sadly, I think that his friends in ministry/leadership have enabled him for years.)

And we know, if God has to step in and make him sit down, my, my, my....

I agree with you.

What saddens me the most is how Silence has become the most deadly weapon in the black community.

So many illegal, unethical, and immoral things have been swept under the rug to protect someone's image, status, and empire.

On the other hand, I'm grateful for all those who were a part of the civil rights movement that had a backbone. They stood for justice, righteousness, and equality. If it wasn't for their voice we would still be in segregation and under the Jim Crowe laws.

I really hope that the Body of Christ across the nation take a stand for righteousness and holiness...we have been silent for too long. Anything and everything goes...
 
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Yeah, just think, with 25,000+ church members, he's probably bringing in over at minimum $25,000 each Sunday ($100,000+ a month!!!), so he probably isn't going to step down, but I he should step down.

Ours have to take a vow of poverty. Still, it takes money to run a church and there have monetary problems, scandals, infighting between parishes...none are perfect. But what if protestant ministers were required to take a vow of poverty? Doesn't mean starving poor, just that you won't get rich from being a pastor. And isn't there an organization now overseeing the financial accountability of churches in the South? I just feel sucky awful about all of this...and it's worldwide...even in Islam...all kinds of scandals being exposed and as though 'lookie, this is what they get for believing in a g-d that doesn't really exist' :perplexed. Or something along those lines. Well, we must unite and bring about justice for all those affected and set into place protections for future.
 
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PinkPebbles, I agree that the silence in our community is deadly. But even more so, I think that the whole "Prosperity Movement" has acted as a catalyst to an extent to keep the ministers "silent" about the real mess going on behind the scenes. Ministry for some of these people has become big business. Remember when Citibank was "too big too fail?" Now we have adopted this same mindset in the mega church set, "New Birth is too Big too Fail," and apparently men like Long think that they are the only ones to run these mega conglomerate churches.

I know, you guys will step in and say that it is not about ALL mega churches, and I will grant you that point. But what does happen when men of God develop a sense of entitlement en par with the world's captains of industry? What happens when pastors MUST DRIVE PHANTOMS and the MUST LIVE IN MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR homes. Who tricked these people? When did the cadillac and nice middle class home stop being enough? When will enough be enough? This is what is happening in society, and the same thing is being played out in churches across America, and I feel so dreadfully sad about that.

Volver, I am not sure that a pastor taking an absolute vow of poverty is the answer either. People should live within their means to live (within appropriate limits). The excess of the material wealth that some of the mega pastors have acquired, I believe, was just too much. And that "excess" has driven them crazy. So they remain "silent" trying to save their faces and their empires.
 
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PinkPebbles, I agree that the silence in our community is deadly. But even more so, I think that the whole "Prosperity Movement" has acted as a catalyst to an extent to keep the ministers "silent" about the real mess going on behind the scenes. Ministry for some of these people has become big business. Remember when Citibank was "too big too fail?" Now we have adopted this same mindset in the mega church set, "New Birth is too Big too Fail," and apparently men like Long think that they are the only ones to run these mega conglomerate churches.

I know, you guys will step in and say that it is not about ALL mega churches, and I will grant you that point. But what does happen when men of God develop a sense of entitlement en par with the world's captains of industry? What happens when pastors MUST DRIVE PHANTOMS and the MUST LIVE IN MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR homes. Who tricked these people? When did the cadillac and nice middle class home stop being enough? When will enough be enough? This is what is happening in society, and the same thing is being played out in churches across America, and I feel so dreadfully sad about that.

Volver, I am not sure that a pastor taking an absolute vow of poverty is the answer either. People should live within their means to live (within appropriate limits). The excess of the material wealth that some of the mega pastors have acquired, I believe, was just too much. And that "excess" has driven them crazy. So they remain "silent" trying to save their faces and their empires
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Joy thanks so much; you and Volver are such a blessing. :yep: :yep: :yep: :yep:

Look how the Word of God in Proverbs 30:8-9, 'balances' both of your statements .... I love it. :reddancer:

You've been so on point and I'm just 'readin' :bookworm: and learnin' :yep:

Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:

Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and STEAL, and take the name of my God in vain.
 
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I say he should most definitely step down and he should have done so already. This man shows absolutely no humility WHATSOEVER. Even if he is not guilty, in all of the publicized words that he has spoken over the past few days, not once did he ask the Lord to have mercy on his so called "accusers." Not once (that I saw) did he ever ask his congregation to pray for the young men. He keeps portraying himself as the victim, and as one being attacked in warfare. That says to me that he is now operating in a level of vanity and hubris that has absolutely no business in the pulpit.

CNN laid out a timeline of his ascension into ministry and New Birth on Monday. On that timeline, it showed Long firing the Deacon Board and the Board of Trustees soon after he became pastor of NBMBC, citing both as "ungodly." He is accountable to no one. That is enough for me right there. No one can tell this man anything, so it will be quite a battle to even get him to step down. Help us Lord.

Good post ... :yep: In another one of your posts you mentioned the word, 'Captain' .

I found it so interesting because earlier this morning, I shared this with my family during our morning email session. Here's part of our conversation (Key word: 'Captain')

Bishop Long is no longer able to hold onto what he fears losing; re-gain what he has lost. As a Leader he needs to 'step down' admirably as the 'Captain' does on a ship. To go down with honour, and not try to 'cover' in the Pulpit.

The Captain of a ship looks first to the safety of those on board, the guests, the staff, the engineers. He's the one who takes responsibility and if the ship sinks while he's still on board, he will go down with it, if it means saving the life of someone else.

As Captain of 'New Birth', he has to let the vessel go and allow another to be at the helm. For the sake of Kingdom he 'represents', the sake of the members, the sake of the crew, the sake of his life in Jesus Christ.

Even if he sinks by stepping down, it's for the sake of the lives that he has carried abroad and need rescue and pure covering.

The only 'cover' any of us have is the 'Blood of Jesus', and there is nothing above it. This means that Bishop Long has to stop the 'hiding' and allow God to 'free' him. The applause he's getting now will soon go into 'fade'....

He needs to step down, with honour; allowing God to have His perfect work in him.
 
Shimmie, thanks so much. I have to tell you guys, I am losing sleep over this issue; I am really that disturbed by this event. I think PinkPebbles said it in the other thread on EL, "it is time for us to open our eyes." We have to stop acting like we don't "see" what is happening all around us. I was one that used to defend the mega churches. I used to watch Eddie Long ALL THE TIME. I thought he was a good man. I thought that what he seemed to be doing in his ministry with the men of his congregation was commendable. And now to find out these vile allegations and more????

Now, I simply feel deceived and foolish. My eyes are open. I will never look at the mega pastors the same way again. If you belong to a mega church with a mega pastor who is accountable, God Bless you. And understand, this is a problem in churches of all sizes, the issue with the mega churches is simply that they have grown far to large, and the lack of accountability over so many millions upon millions of dollars is reckless. Always remember, if we have a problem with this same thing happening in corporate America, why wouldn't the same logic apply when churches begin to grow this large?

We need true reformation and real revival in the Body of Christ ASAP. I am also tired of people making this Long scandal a "Black Church" issue. Funny, when Earl Paulk's ministry collapsed, no one called that a "White Church" issue. When Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, Jim and Tammy Faye Baker and hosts of others fell, it wasn't labeled a "White Church" issue. So ladies (and gents that may be lurking), stop letting people tell you that this is about the "Black Church". This is a issue in the Body of Christ that God told us would happen in the last days.

"You ran the race well, but who has bewitched you?"

Ok, my rant is over. I am going to try to get some sleep tonight. Glad I am off tomorrow.
 
Shimmie, thanks so much. I have to tell you guys, I am losing sleep over this issue; I am really that disturbed by this event. I think PinkPebbles said it in the other thread on EL, "it is time for us to open our eyes." We have to stop acting like we don't "see" what is happening all around us. I was one that used to defend the mega churches. I used to watch Eddie Long ALL THE TIME. I thought he was a good man. I thought that what he seemed to be doing in his ministry with the men of his congregation was commendable. And now to find out these vile allegations and more????

Now, I simply feel deceived and foolish. My eyes are open. I will never look at the mega pastors the same way again. If you belong to a mega church with a mega pastor who is accountable, God Bless you. And understand, this is a problem in churches of all sizes, the issue with the mega churches is simply that they have grown far to large, and the lack of accountability over so many millions upon millions of dollars is reckless. Always remember, if we have a problem with this same thing happening in corporate America, why wouldn't the same logic apply when churches begin to grow this large?

We need true reformation and real revival in the Body of Christ ASAP. I am also tired of people making this Long scandal a "Black Church" issue. Funny, when Earl Paulk's ministry collapsed, no one called that a "White Church" issue. When Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, Jim and Tammy Faye Baker and hosts of others fell, it wasn't labeled a "White Church" issue. So ladies (and gents that may be lurking), stop letting people tell you that this is about the "Black Church". This is a issue in the Body of Christ that God told us would happen in the last days.

"You ran the race well, but who has bewitched you?"

Ok, my rant is over. I am going to try to get some sleep tonight. Glad I am off tomorrow.

Precious Joy.....

"Sweet Sleep" :sleep2: For God gives His Beloved, 'Sweet Sleep' and you are indeed, His Beloved.

Now.......... :sleep: like a baby in the arms of your Heavenly Father, and when you awaken, you will be refreshed and renewed.

Sweet Sleep... for all of your cares will keep; you've given this 'crisis' your best..... NOW... it's time for you to rest. For God has all of your cares and He is perfecting all that concerns you.

Sweet Sleep ... in His loving arms which keeps you from danger and from all that harms.

Precious Joy....... Sweet Sleep :sleep2:
 
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I feel the same way joy2day, the bible says many false ministers will come into the world and deceive MANY people, especially christians!!! We have to have to exercise discernment in the body of Christ because these false teachers have the potential to lead many astray! This Long situation should make us open our eyes. This is not the first false teacher and certaintly won't be the last. This is just the tip of the iceburg and I am concerned, about how thousands and thousands of christians are shouting over these vague statements this man is giving us. Are we that blind as christians that no one see that he's evading? If someone accused me of coercing children, I will defending myself on the mountain tops! I would be on CNN, ABC, FOX, BET, TBN all day every day! I would be on some Antoine Dodson stuff for sure. Something is afoot and this whole situation is just extremely disturbing. People need to be careful who they follow, even Satan disguises himself as an angel lof light. But I see a spirit on this man and I am concerned about people putting so much trust and faith in these prominent leaders like Long, because many will be scattered or led astray. The prayerful remarks that everyone has had about the issues is encouraging but I can't help but say something when I see a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's a false shepherd. He needs to step down but I can see that he wants to be more like Saul and hold on to the thrown at all costs. He's not anything like David like he claims.
 
I think about all that has been written here and I think of the scripture

Matthew 6:19-21 and 24

19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[e] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

24 "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."

The fact that Long is not stepping down IMHO shows where his heart truly belongs. Stepping down in my eyes does not admit guilt or innocence but that he is humbling himself to the Lord. That he is seeking the Lord in how to rectify the situation. That he is allowing the Lord to take the helm of his life and submitting to what the Will of the Lord is. Not what the lawyers say, or other pastors, or even his flock, but simply listening to the Lord. That he allowing the Lord to make him into a new creature.
Not stepping down to me looks like self-idolatry that he can fix it that he himself is God. That his treasure is in his image, his money, his status and not in God. This is a time to prove witness to others both believers and nonbelievers that God truly provides for his people and will deliver them from any and everything and all we have to do is SUBMIT to the Will of the Lord. Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added to you. Matthew 6:33
 
I think about all that has been written here and I think of the scripture

Matthew 6:19-21 and 24

19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[e] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

24 "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."

The fact that Long is not stepping down IMHO shows where his heart truly belongs. Stepping down in my eyes does not admit guilt or innocence but that he is humbling himself to the Lord. That he is seeking the Lord in how to rectify the situation. That he is allowing the Lord to take the helm of his life and submitting to what the Will of the Lord is. Not what the lawyers say, or other pastors, or even his flock, but simply listening to the Lord. That he allowing the Lord to make him into a new creature.
Not stepping down to me looks like self-idolatry that he can fix it that he himself is God. That his treasure is in his image, his money, his status and not in God. This is a time to prove witness to others both believers and nonbelievers that God truly provides for his people and will deliver them from any and everything and all we have to do is SUBMIT to the Will of the Lord. Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added to you. Matthew 6:33

Vonnie, what a beautiful message. It the loving heart of God speaking clear through you; shared without wrath... without doubting, without condemnation or bitterness. Just the pure flow of the Holy Spirit.

It put me in 'check' because I've been vacilating with some of my emotions on this issue. The Word of God you shared puts it all into perspective .. in God's order.

Beautiful, just like you in your Father's eyes and heart. :Rose:
 
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