Warning: Controversial Topic about being Natural
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MsLi@512
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About the chick in the video.. She's putting in artificial hair, yet stands in considers herself natural. But to press chemically unprocessed hair one time disqualifies you as a natural??? Huh!No offence intended OP, but maybe you should've just asked the question, "if using heat means your not natural"without using such a huge contradiction as a reference point. And the tone of my response, obviously show MY opinion on the topic.
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I agree; and like others said, most people I know consider natural hair to be whatever you have on your head that's not a weave or extensions
dynamic1
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I haven't used thermal straightening methods in over four years and I do not have relaxer.
Natural to me is no permanent alteration to the texture of your hair. It is just a definition, not a judgement/condemnation (on my part). If I decide to wear my hair straight most of the time with heat use, so be it. I will consider myself unrelaxed.
Natural to me is no permanent alteration to the texture of your hair. It is just a definition, not a judgement/condemnation (on my part). If I decide to wear my hair straight most of the time with heat use, so be it. I will consider myself unrelaxed.
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Stormy
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Well to me... I think natural is when you don't alter your hair with chemicals and don't "damage" it with heat. And with heat I mean to the point that it won't revert. I did that to my hair the first time I went natural back in 2009. I pressed my hair with an electric pressing comb which I turned all the way up. Big mistake! I went to wash my hair the next day and ALL of my hair was straight. I tried everything to get it to revert and it just wouldn't.
So, that's not natural to me. I ended up having to cut it off just like I do when I want to get rid of a relaxer. I still "called" myself natural because well, I really didn't know what else to call it since I didn't use chemicals to get it that way, but honestly since it wouldn't curl back up or shrink back down anymore it really wasn't my natural hair. IMO.
So, that's not natural to me. I ended up having to cut it off just like I do when I want to get rid of a relaxer. I still "called" myself natural because well, I really didn't know what else to call it since I didn't use chemicals to get it that way, but honestly since it wouldn't curl back up or shrink back down anymore it really wasn't my natural hair. IMO.
greenandchic
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Her Facebook Page says:
"The damn salon is an upscale, private salon, by invitation only, specializing in healthy, high fashion hair, make-up & photography - where our ultimate goal is to make you sophisticated by day and damned by night"
Invitation only? For a salon? Like a celebrity only type salon or something?
"The damn salon is an upscale, private salon, by invitation only, specializing in healthy, high fashion hair, make-up & photography - where our ultimate goal is to make you sophisticated by day and damned by night"
Invitation only? For a salon? Like a celebrity only type salon or something?
greenandchic
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No offence intended OP, but maybe you should've just asked the question, "if using heat means your not natural"without using such a huge contradiction as a reference point. And the tone of my response, obviously show MY opinion on the topic.
Gee willikers, I just assumed that was her real hair.
sugarwater
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I think your natural as long as you dont use chemicals but I will say when I was heat trained/damaged, I didn't consider myself natural.
GoodMernin
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Okay.
I watched 45 seconds of her video and with the neck rolling and monotone voice she seems a bit trife and drama filled.
Juss sayin.
I watched 45 seconds of her video and with the neck rolling and monotone voice she seems a bit trife and drama filled.
Juss sayin.
kellistarr
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First, I don't believe in heat trained hair. If the hair is altered due to a heat source, straightening, flat-iron, blow-dry, however you got there, I call that damaged hair. Yes, I realize that people do this intentionally; it is still damaged hair.
But, it is damaged, natural hair.
I believe if your hair is not chemically altered, then it is natural. Most changes that you make to your natural hair can be undone. (This excludes coloring, though you are just a colored natural if you do dye your hair). If you've done something that you can't change back with water, then this excludes your hair from being natural.
I am natural and I don't blow-dry, flat-iron or press with the hot comb, usually. Every two years or so, I might press my hair out. Last August, I had my hair professionally pressed, because I got about 6 inches of hair cut off.
But, it is damaged, natural hair.
I believe if your hair is not chemically altered, then it is natural. Most changes that you make to your natural hair can be undone. (This excludes coloring, though you are just a colored natural if you do dye your hair). If you've done something that you can't change back with water, then this excludes your hair from being natural.
I am natural and I don't blow-dry, flat-iron or press with the hot comb, usually. Every two years or so, I might press my hair out. Last August, I had my hair professionally pressed, because I got about 6 inches of hair cut off.
~*~ShopAholic~*~
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I'm talking about pple that heat train. Heat training is intentionally done to change the texture so it's loosened for good. I'm not referring to one that straightens for a straight look until the next shampoo day or it reverts.
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aquajoyice
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Natural to me means no chemicals used to alter your texture. When I was relaxed I could wear my hair straight without worrying about it reverting. When I was 100% natural as a child even though my hair was pressed 90% of the time it still reverted upon contact with water. Water + hair = kinks/curls... that is my definition of natural.
virtuenow
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Do you also call relaxed hair damaged hair?
No offence intended OP, but maybe you should've just asked the question, "if using heat means your not natural"without using such a huge contradiction as a reference point. And the tone of my response, obviously show MY opinion on the topic.
I didn't watch the video. I don't appreciate the disrespectful title and I do not support this video. She sounds very jealous and envious by the tone of the title and message she's sending forth. Seeing women with beautiful, thick and flowing natural hair (and yes I mean pressed too) has really gotten to her. Wow
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anartist4u2001
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i'm not a member of that site so i can't view it. that sucks!
nappystorm
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I screamed when I read that title.
*off to read the read of the thread*ETA: The lady in the video is an idiot. Tis all.
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Now, I may not agree with chemicals being on people's heads...but I am not going to make a whole youtube video about it because it is not that serious.
And to call a video "...itch you ain't natural" really shows how some people just feel the need to start drama about what other people do to their own heads just for the sake of keeping mess going.
Basically, folks need to mind their own business.
How about folks making a video called "...itch, stop being so lazy and go back to college and get your education cause times are hard out here economically."
Just sayin.
Oh...and I flat iron when I feel like it cause it's my head.
And natural means chemical free.
Agreed. I too feel no chemicals = natural. The movement of going natural is and should be a beautiful thing regardless if you rock a fro, twists, or opt to flat iron. Seems like we create divisions and "classes" for no good reason. I have completely stopped talking about my hair at work because of the haters. No offense to the thread originator, you just wanted to get folks opinion. I feel the title of the clip was offensive and intended to tear someone else down.
Since when was pressed hair not considered natural in the 60s?This doesn't sound right to me. My family wore both styles in the 60s. Pressed hair is just another style option. I just don't get why this woman felt so free to call women out their name because they want to have strait hair without a relaxer. Truth be told, your hair doesn't come out your head in an afro, either. That style must be manipulated, just like her urban twists.
Yeah, my family wore presses and their hair was still "natural," but then again they weren't all caught up in these titles...
I never heard of anyone wearing an "unmanipulated" fro every day. Their hair would mat up and dread. My people used to comb and tease their fros to achieve the Afro look.
At the end of the day, in the real world, nobody cares.
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nakialovesshoes
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In the real world, people don't care about alot of the things that we discuss on here but that doesn't stop the threads from coming. I'm just saying...
ms-gg
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[Sings] You must not know 'bout me, you must not know 'bout me [/sings]
Haven't straightened/blow dried/used heat on my hair in 5 years.
greenandchic
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I haven't in 9 years. Its mostly out of fear since I've never been able to do it well myself and I'm afraid of someone else burning out my hair.
Jozze
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I think if someone uses anything to permanently change the texture and structure of their hair then they are not truly natural. It doesn't matter if it's chemical, heat training, BKT or chemically bleaching /colouring -which breaks down the hair's internal disulfide bonds therefore permanently altering its texture and curl pattern. Some may say this definition of natural is too restrictive but it doesn't make it any less true (for me anyway).
In defense, some people have tried to compare twist outs or combing with heat training or bleaching. This is totally ridiculous as the latter causes a permanent change in the hair's structure and the other is a temporary style. I do believe that being a so called "true natural" calls for a deep acceptance of your hair's natural texture and not wanting to or desiring to permanently change it into something different.
As a natural who doesn't use heat or chemicals on my hair, I don't have a problem with what other "natural" people do with their hair ...even if I don't always agree with their definition of what being "truly natural" means. This is just my personal definition and therefore is the path that I choose to follow with my hair.
In defense, some people have tried to compare twist outs or combing with heat training or bleaching.
This is totally ridiculous as the latter causes a permanent change in the hair's structure and the other is a temporary style. I do believe that being a so called "true natural" calls for a deep acceptance of your hair's natural texture and not wanting to or desiring to permanently change it into something different. As a natural who doesn't use heat or chemicals on my hair, I don't have a problem with what other "natural" people do with their hair ...even if I don't always agree with their definition of what being "truly natural" means. This is just my personal definition and therefore is the path that I choose to follow with my hair.
nakialovesshoes
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@ms-ggDo you think you'll ever straighten or are you content to never have straight hair again? Kudos to you - I really am trying to convince myself to hide my hair for 3 years & not use any direct heat to see what the end product will be. Your thickness is off the chain, BTW.
@greenandchicYour puff is gorgeous in your siggy. It only takes one time for hair to be heat damaged so I think I would be afraid, too.
I think if someone uses anything to permanently change the texture and structure of their hair then they are not truly natural. It doesn't matter if it's chemical, heat training, BKT or chemically bleaching /colouring -which breaks down the hair's internal disulfide bonds therefore permanently altering its texture and curl pattern. Some may say this definition of natural is too restrictive but it doesn't make it any less true (for me anyway).
In defense, some people have tried to compare twist outs or combing with heat training or bleaching.
As a natural who doesn't use heat or chemicals on my hair, I don't have a problem with what other "natural" people do with their hair ...even if I don't always agree with their definition of what being "truly natural" means. This is just my personal definition and therefore is the path that I choose to follow with my hair.
@JozzeSame question I asked above: do you think you'll ever straighten or do you just not have a desire to ever wear your hair straightened?
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ms-gg
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I don't know if I would ever use heat in the future honestly. I seriously doubt it but I really don't know how I will feel about it 5 or 10 years from now.
Thank you and you can do it
It took a lot of will power at first to stop using heat and wearing weaves but now that I am use to it I really don't know any other way at this point...
Thank you and you can do it
It took a lot of will power at first to stop using heat and wearing weaves but now that I am use to it I really don't know any other way at this point...I wrote out a detailed response to the question in your original post, so clearly I care. I'm just adding that point that in the real world nobody cares to keep it in perspective that out of the billions of people on earth, there's only a tiny fraction of us that feel the need to label and scrutinize the dead fibers pushing out of our scalps to such an extent. Natural or relaxed, doesn't matter.
With that said, I now remember why I no longer post in these threads, so I will exit. Carry on.
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Jozze
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I had long bone straight hair for most of my life and loved it! So, I will never say never because one day I may want straight hair again...but at this moment in my life, I am in-love my natural texture and cannot imagine desiring to permanently alter it...hence, why I don't do heat or colour.
greenandchic
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nakialovesshoes I'm not totally opposed to it. I may do a blow out in a couple of months just to see how it goes.
IMHO, I think anyone who ditches the use of straightening chemicals is natural. If you have virgin hair on your head (whether u use heat occasionally or not), I think that is considered "natural." I dont currently use heat because it takes too long and my hair is very soft and reverts quickly. I dont see the point of spending 3 hrs to wash, condition, flat-iron to wear it straight for 1 week (unless it were a special occasion). I only wear my hair in it's natural texture...curly/wavy.
Now I'm not sayin I will NEVER use heat, but at this point I havent used heat in over 1 yr and don't see using it for another year. So it will be 2 full years between the last time I flat-ironed (June 2010) and the next time I plan to (possibly next Spring, 2012). For me, i always wanted my natural texture and after wearing bone straight relaxed hair for a good 18 yrs, I have no real desire to wear it straight...if I do want the straight look, I usually pop on a wig since I'm still growing out layers from my BC.
Now I'm not sayin I will NEVER use heat, but at this point I havent used heat in over 1 yr and don't see using it for another year. So it will be 2 full years between the last time I flat-ironed (June 2010) and the next time I plan to (possibly next Spring, 2012). For me, i always wanted my natural texture and after wearing bone straight relaxed hair for a good 18 yrs, I have no real desire to wear it straight...if I do want the straight look, I usually pop on a wig since I'm still growing out layers from my BC.
nakialovesshoes
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SolitudeI never pointed any fingers because for the most part the responses were positive but it seemed that "no one cares in the real world" was a recurring sarcastic remark - as if my thread/subject matter was trivial because it didn't relate to the "real world."
That was the attitude that I was irked by simply because I know half of the stuff that we discuss on here, the "real world" could care less about. So I appreciate any positive input that you added. My comment was simply for those that (IMO) were belittling the thread.
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