I have finally found products that give me the hold and feel I need in a Twistout! My DH actually complemented my hair. I hate greasy, sticky, hard, stiff, etc. hair. I have tried every gel, gel/oil combination, lotion/cream, cream, etc. and have had mediocre results. I got the best results ever from Design Essentials styling foam. I used the Wen styling cream under it the first time and just the styling foam the second time. The difference is in the detangling before twisting. It was better with Wen. I had some PM Super Skinny which I used after the takedown and I can't stop touching my hair! I've got to see how it sleeps since I'm still too short to pineapple.