The orginal Fine hair thread 2013

oh your hair loves protein! i leave it on for 5 mins in the shower. i rinse it out and then i use a moisturizing deep conditioner for 15-30mins. i try to get under the dryer with it. i had a bad experience with Aphogee 2 step (fell asleep with it) and it gave me protein overload. it took months to get my hair back in order. so i don't mess around with any type of protein for a long length of time.

wow you fell asleep with the strong apoghee 2 step . yeah indeed that must have been difficult to catch up.

i had left the 2 min on long but as à pre poo . if i do it after the shampoo for that long i bet my hair will suffer from protein overload.

im gonna wash ( tonight if not lazy) then use dpr+11
 
I used the ors creamy aloe poo last night. I followed with an amla cassia gloss. My hair feels strong, soft and moist after pooing, dcing and conditioning with shea moisture moisture retention, deep masque and restorative conditioner :)

sounds lovely all that.

im gonna use ors creamy aloe too tonight. if not lazy
 
laylaaa
Have you tried the Mehendi henna or the Sukesh from hennasooq.com? The sukesh was my first experience with ayurvedic powders. It was really awesome! I got a nice bounce, body for days, shine, moisture and strength. I used as a gloss.

I always mix my powders with a natural conditioner. I tried the mehendi once too. I liked this one too

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What exactly are ayurvedic powders? Are they cleansers, conditioners or..? I hear about them often but it seems like such a complicated thing that I'm kinda put off about learning more... :ohwell: Right now, I've got 3 x 100g of Jamila and 1 x 100g of Rajasthani henna in my stash but I definitely want to try other brands now that I know firsthand what my own do. Jamila - copper colour, thickening, no effect on strength or shine. Rajasthani - cherry black colour, thickening and strengthening but, again, no shine (via strand tests).


What colour does Mehendi leave behind? Off to go check out hennasooq right now lol.
 
What exactly are ayurvedic powders? Are they cleansers, conditioners or..? I hear about them often but it seems like such a complicated thing that I'm kinda put off about learning more... :ohwell: Right now, I've got 3 x 100g of Jamila and 1 x 100g of Rajasthani henna in my stash but I definitely want to try other brands now that I know firsthand what my own do. Jamila - copper colour, thickening, no effect on strength or shine. Rajasthani - cherry black colour, thickening and strengthening but, again, no shine (via strand tests).

What colour does Mehendi leave behind? Off to go check out hennasooq right now lol.

Hennasooq has a wealth of info that will get you educated...fast. I added some hibiscus powder to the mehendi. It came out great with a dark burgundy color!! You wont get much color with mehendi cus its henna mixed with other ayurvedic powders. I have jamilla but haven't used yet.

Here is a link to mehendi powder:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001T7APMG/ref=mw_dp_mpd?pd=1&qid=1365704800&sr=8-1

ETA: Do you mix your powders with conditioner? I always do :)

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This thread is just what I needed! I'm a fine, 4A, natural, and no idea what length I am and I am noticing some serious issues. My biggest problems are: I can't stick with a regimen, I get nasty SSK's, I like twists but lately they won't stay twisted and the shed hairs are knotting at the ends, retention has become a no factor and I don't use protein, AT ALL.

I like my twists, they got my from ear length to APL in about 2 years (or a little less), but lately, they have been not so good. I have been using the LOC method, which seems to be working like magic (I took my medium twists down and my hair felt pretty great) but I really need to add protein. Can anyone suggest some ways to add protein to my regimen? I want to start using a Keratin reconstructer, but I'd like one I can find on the ground. Also, I am going to start trying a hot oil prepoo treatment with coconut and EVOO, and see if it helps. I'm trying to get to BSL this year and waist is my ultimate goal.


start using Aphogee 2 min reconstructor and use that weekly. that's what i am doing currently. i wish i would have used some type of protein when i was natural. i think the hot oil treatments will work too, but maybe do it after you cleanse your hair and before you deep condition.
 
Hennasooq has a wealth of info that will get you educated...fast. I added some hibiscus powder to the mehendi. It came out great with a dark burgundy color!! You wont get much color with mehendi cus its henna mixed with other ayurvedic powders. I have jamilla but haven't used yet.

Here is a link to mehendi powder:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001T7APMG/ref=mw_dp_mpd?pd=1&qid=1365704800&sr=8-1

ETA: Do you mix your powders with conditioner? I always do :)

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Ooh, hibiscus can affect the colour? I was thinking of adding organic cocoa to my henna but I might try this first since I have some laying around!


I had the best results mixing mine with chamomile but wasn't aware you could add condish. Wouldn't that make it more of a gloss? I have a bottle of Tresemme Naturals that I used to make a modified version of SnowyMoon's Moisture Treatment (LOVE THIS ISH!!!) to hydrate my hair afterwards but adding conditioner might just save me time. :grin:



Thanks for the link!
 
Ooh, hibiscus can affect the colour? I was thinking of adding organic cocoa to my henna but I might try this first since I have some laying around!

I had the best results mixing mine with chamomile but wasn't aware you could add condish. Wouldn't that make it more of a gloss? I have a bottle of Tresemme Naturals that I used to make a modified version of SnowyMoon's Moisture Treatment (LOVE THIS ISH!!!) to hydrate my hair afterwards but adding conditioner might just save me time. :grin:

Thanks for the link!

Yes, It is a gloss. My philosophy is to save time. You can still dc again after if you want. I know you said something about glosses being for color only but I mix everything in my powders including raw honey and oils. I try to use a conditioner with no cones or protein so I would use Tresemme Naturals too

Hibiscus darkens the henna nicely but the mehendi already has hibiscus. I just added more. I also have some cocoa powder but I haven't used it yet. I will prob use this on my daughter this summer.
 
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I use Quantum Clarifying Shampoo-
It is a clarifying/chelating shampoo.

After using I follow with a mositurizing shampoo.
 
start using Aphogee 2 min reconstructor and use that weekly. that's what i am doing currently. i wish i would have used some type of protein when i was natural. i think the hot oil treatments will work too, but maybe do it after you cleanse your hair and before you deep condition.

Thanks! I'll go and pick some up this week!
 
I can highly recommend the ORS HaiRepair Sulphate Free Shampoo.
It's very moisturising and got my hair and scalp very clean.

As I'm Low Porosity I have been heating up everything that I put on my hair and it's working, the moisture is being forced into the strands. If I don't heat up the actual product I will sit under a hooded dryer ie after I apply my leave-in i'll sit under the dryer for 5 minutes so my cuticles can open up.

Oh my Bublin, I have not seen the bolded before. Thanks for sharing - I have to keep my eyes peeled for this one for sure. Plus like you, I get the best deep treatments with heat as well whether it's a moisture or protein treatment.
 
I love Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor, but it has gotten so expensive here that I don't even bother to purchase it anymore. If I can find it at a really ggod price, I may get one but certainly not at $25 or $30 a bottle - hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll NO!:nono:.
 
Clumping comes easily to people with big coils because the coils cup each other easily. So if you don't have 4A curls then the only way I know for getting uniform clumping is with shingling. This is why I personally think WNG on 4B hair looks like a HAM and unkempt.
Thank Nonie. That shingling is so not the business for this cotton ball I have. I saw Mahogany Curls vlog on it and immediately tried. No bueno. It KINDA works, but it DOES look HAM after it dried :nono:
The color probably loosened ur texture, thus the uniform clumping. Now one can't create waves/curls if ur hair doesn't naturally do it, BUT I so have a tip......
Thanks ajargon02! I did some of this last night since it was cowash time anyway and was so excited..It was cute til it dried then my cotton ball returned :lol:. Almost, though! My curl pattern is so tight--some of the coils collapse in on each other like a smashed Slinky. The rest are tiny, like a coffee stirer, so this type of style will probably never work for me. This is what weaves are for, I guess :giggle::look:
 
laylaaa, Ayurvedic powders can be a blessing for fine and sensitive hair (like mine). My puff doesn't like much but she took to the powders very well. The sites for research you were given are excellent research to learn more about them. That's where I started.

Though many people make fancy concotions of their powders, I'm a minimalist. I simply make a paste with them using distilled water. My hair breaks real quick with something she doesn't like, so much so it can be a set-back and I learned this the hard way. So I don't do no mixing with conditioners or anything else.

It works just fine this way AND I feel I get the full benefits since it's not being mixed with anything.

My recommendation is to start with a water only thin paste of whatever powder you want to try. Then you will know if your hair likes it or not. Next time if all goes well, mix with condish if you want and see how that works. Sometimes I wonder when people have bad reactions if its because the chemicals in the condish's react poorly with the molecular make-up of these powders and their hair.... anyhoo....It's up to you to learn the best methods of application for *your* hair. Just takes some experimentation.:yep:

What exactly are ayurvedic powders? Are they cleansers, conditioners or..? I hear about them often but it seems like such a complicated thing that I'm kinda put off about learning more... :ohwell: Right now, I've got 3 x 100g of Jamila and 1 x 100g of Rajasthani henna in my stash but I definitely want to try other brands now that I know firsthand what my own do. Jamila - copper colour, thickening, no effect on strength or shine. Rajasthani - cherry black colour, thickening and strengthening but, again, no shine (via strand tests).


What colour does Mehendi leave behind? Off to go check out hennasooq right now lol.
 
Yup ita! These r things that I hv been doin 4 yrs! Also, I did learn the hard way that my hair doesnt like any chemical treatments, COLOR included! So as long as I stay away frm color, protective style & keep up on my protein/ moisture balance, I am much of the growth that I am getting. No "magical" vitamins,lotions/creams or rinses.
In my opinion, good nutrition + good hair practices + PATIENCE = length & hair health goal attainment! :)

I have fine hair strands of medium density and I too learned that if I wanted longer lengths, coloring my hair that involves an lifting isn't an option. I colored some of my hair last summer and while I didn't experience excessive dryness and breakage, I definitely experienced dryness and breakage. Bleaching parts of my hair made it so fragile. I have the itch to color so bad this spring but I've made the executive decision that if I want to see between BSL and MBL by the end of this year, I must leave it alone.
 
This thread is just what I needed! I'm a fine, 4A, natural, and no idea what length I am and I am noticing some serious issues. My biggest problems are: I can't stick with a regimen, I get nasty SSK's, I like twists but lately they won't stay twisted and the shed hairs are knotting at the ends, retention has become a no factor and I don't use protein, AT ALL.

I like my twists, they got my from ear length to APL in about 2 years (or a little less), but lately, they have been not so good. I have been using the LOC method, which seems to be working like magic (I took my medium twists down and my hair felt pretty great) but I really need to add protein. Can anyone suggest some ways to add protein to my regimen? I want to start using a Keratin reconstructer, but I'd like one I can find on the ground. Also, I am going to start trying a hot oil prepoo treatment with coconut and EVOO, and see if it helps. I'm trying to get to BSL this year and waist is my ultimate goal.

I have fine 4a natural hair and I really like Aubrey Organics GPB (or is it GBP? lol) conditioner. It's great for giving my hair a protein and moisture boost and it has decent enough slip for detangling. I've been using it for a few months and it's definitely a staple in my hair care line up now.
 
Thank @Nonie. That shingling is so not the business for this cotton ball I have. I saw Mahogany Curls vlog on it and immediately tried. No bueno. It KINDA works, but it DOES look HAM after it dried :nono:

@tkj25's shingle do didn't look bad @DarkJoy.

During the process:
dsc05456.html
http://public.fotki.com/tkj25/2009-0...456.html#media

Done [ETA: looks like the following pics are among Fotki's missing pics; maybe tkj25 can upload a copy for you, if he has another]

http://public.fotki.com/tkj25/2009-0...466.html#media
http://public.fotki.com/tkj25/2009-0...473.html#media

Maybe you just need practice. Or you could go get Miss Jessie's to do it for you for the first time. :poke:
 
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What exactly are ayurvedic powders? Are they cleansers, conditioners or..? I hear about them often but it seems like such a complicated thing that I'm kinda put off about learning more... :ohwell:

laylaaa

Another great place to learn about ayurveda powders and practices is on hennaforhair.com.

Some powders are cleansers, some are conditioners, some are used for growth and others for moisture. That's how some ladies' mixtures get to be so complicated because a moisturizing powder may be necessary along with a cleanser in order to counter the drying effect.

If I do a paste, I only use hot water in my powder mix. But back in 2010, I started mixing powders into my condish to make a cleanser and a conditioner. I use those for my weekly wash and to cowash or cleanse in between, if I feel like it. Once every 3-4 months, before I use heat, I clarify my hair with Suave Daily Clarifying shampoo.

I saw the effects immediately. I began in Jan/Feb 2010 and by June 2010, I saw an improvement in the thickness and health of my fine hair. Here are my pix:

When I began using the powders regularly in Jan/Feb 2010-

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Growth_Feb10_Side-vi.jpg



By June 2010, it was noticeably thicker-

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And then 9 months later in November 2010-

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Just like everything else in this hair journey, it's only as difficult or as easy as you make it! GL! :)

*jumps off ayurveda soapbox* :lol:
 
DarkJoy
laylaaa, Ayurvedic powders can be a blessing for fine and sensitive hair (like mine). My puff doesn't like much but she took to the powders very well. The sites for research you were given are excellent research to learn more about them. That's where I started.

Though many people make fancy concotions of their powders, I'm a minimalist. I simply make a paste with them using distilled water. My hair breaks real quick with something she doesn't like, so much so it can be a set-back and I learned this the hard way. So I don't do no mixing with conditioners or anything else.

It works just fine this way AND I feel I get the full benefits since it's not being mixed with anything.

My recommendation is to start with a water only thin paste of whatever powder you want to try. Then you will know if your hair likes it or not. Next time if all goes well, mix with condish if you want and see how that works. Sometimes I wonder when people have bad reactions if its because the chemicals in the condish's react poorly with the molecular make-up of these powders and their hair.... anyhoo....It's up to you to learn the best methods of application for *your* hair. Just takes some experimentation.:yep:


Are there any particular powders that you use? Not sure where to start. :)



MzSwift

laylaaa

Another great place to learn about ayurveda powders and practices is on hennaforhair.com.

Some powders are cleansers, some are conditioners, some are used for growth and others for moisture. That's how some ladies' mixtures get to be so complicated because a moisturizing powder may be necessary along with a cleanser in order to counter the drying effect.

If I do a paste, I only use hot water in my powder mix. But back in 2010, I started mixing powders into my condish to make a cleanser and a conditioner. I use those for my weekly wash and to cowash or cleanse in between, if I feel like it. Once every 3-4 months, before I use heat, I clarify my hair with Suave Daily Clarifying shampoo.

I saw the effects immediately. I began in Jan/Feb 2010 and by June 2010, I saw an improvement in the thickness and health of my fine hair. Here are my pix:

When I began using the powders regularly in Jan/Feb 2010-

IMG_2670-vi.jpg


Growth_Feb10_Side-vi.jpg



And then 9 months later in November 2010-

IMG_32751-vi.jpg





Just like everything else in this hair journey, it's only as difficult or as easy as you make it! GL! :)

*jumps off ayurveda soapbox* :lol:


Beautiful hair with results to match! Thanks:grin:


I think I might incorporate this into my regi actually. I already have a whole day dedicated to my hair as it is and I'm a total experiment junkie. Is it difficult to rinse out though? I can't imagine powders slipping out as easily as conditioner.
 
Just wanted to chime in and say that I ordered the seamless combs from hotcombs.com. I ordered a thin one and a medium sized one. Today I detangled and did a rollerset, and I lost hardly any hair!!! Im so thrilled.. Im going to order a few more sizes and throw all my other combs away! Theyre pricey but so worth it.
 
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@MzSwift

Beautiful hair with results to match! Thanks:grin:


I think I might incorporate this into my regi actually. I already have a whole day dedicated to my hair as it is and I'm a total experiment junkie. Is it difficult to rinse out though? I can't imagine powders slipping out as easily as conditioner.


My mixes aren't pastes so they're not hard to rinse out at all. I started doing them so that I didn't have to spend all day on my hair. I use them to wash and condition my hair in the shower during the week.

I mix a few tbsp of powders into an old condish container. Fill it 1/3 with hot water. Shake it up well. Squirt in some oils and fill the rest with conditioner. Shake well to mix.

One mix has cleansing/moisturizing powders and the other mix has conditioning/moisturizing powders. I end up with a watery cleanser (my preference) and a thick, creamy conditioner. I use those mixes in place of a store bought shampoo or condish.

Hope this makes sense. And GL if you try it! :)
 
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My mixes aren't pastes so they're not hard to rinse out at all. I started doing them so that I didn't have to spend all day on my hair. I use them to wash and condition my hair in the shower during the week.

I mix a few tbsp of powders into an old condish container. Fill it 1/3 with hot water. Shake it up well. Squirt in some oils and fill the rest with conditioner. Shake well to mix.

One mix has cleansing/moisturizing powders and the other mix has conditioning/moisturizing powders. I end up with a watery cleanser (my preference) and a thick, creamy conditioner. I use those mixes in place of a store bought shampoo or condish.

Hope this makes sense. And GL if you try it! :)

MzSwift what powders do you use?
 
How do you ladies prepare your hot oil treatments? Is the oil actually hot? On dry or wet hair? Sooo confused!

On a side note, I'm getting seriously impatient with my henna schedule. It's made my hair so much thicker (as in almost twice as thick, no other real benefits whatsoever t) that I can't get enough of it and I'm only on my second application of Jamila. Currently undecided between doing a weekly henna or a gloss to tide me over... but glosses are for colou and I want conditioning!

laylaaa
I see in your siggy that you use some of the shea moisture products. They work well with the powders due to all the nat ingredients.

I use a few tablespoons of the deep treatment masque and couple squirts of the restorative conditioner with the sukesh ayurvedic powder (first I mix the powder with hot water to make a paste). I also add 1 tablespoon of two diff oils and raw honey. I scoop it out like a relaxer but apply from scalp to ends in small sections on clean damp hair. I usually chelate with ORS creamy aloe poo before applying.

I leave this powder mix on for an hour under a plastic cap and scull cap. I then rinse in the shower as much as possible. Then I cowash with a cheap conditioner like vo5 for several washes to help get out all the powder. It is a chore getting it rinsed completely out but it is well worth it.

With this mix I didn't need to follow up with conditioner at all but it can be done.

Here is a link to the sukesh ayurvedic powder on hennasooq. I love this stuff. I have since used on my daughter's bsl hair and my sister's sl hair with great results!

http://www.hennasooq.com/sukesh-ayurveda/

Good luck!

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laylaaa
I see in your siggy that you use some of the shea moisture products. They work well with the powders due to all the nat ingredients.

I use a few tablespoons of the deep treatment masque and couple squirts of the restorative conditioner with the sukesh ayurvedic powder (first I mix the powder with hot water to make a paste). I also add 1 tablespoon of two diff oils and raw honey. I scoop it out like a relaxer but apply from scalp to ends in small sections on clean damp hair. I usually chelate with ORS creamy aloe poo before applying.

I leave this powder mix on for an hour under a plastic cap and scull cap. I then rinse in the shower as much as possible. Then I cowash with a cheap conditioner like vo5 for several washes to help get out all the powder. It is a chore getting it rinsed completely out but it is well worth it.

With this mix I didn't need to follow up with conditioner at all but it can be done.

Here is a link to the sukesh ayurvedic powder on hennasooq. I love this stuff. I have since used on my daughter's bsl hair and my sister's sl hair with great results!

http://www.hennasooq.com/sukesh-ayurveda/

Good luck!

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I did a Sukesh paste from henna Sooq prepoo today. I did soo many treatments today I really don't know if it did anything...however I did think I noticed thickness immediately after i rinsed it out.

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My mixes aren't pastes so they're not hard to rinse out at all. I started doing them so that I didn't have to spend all day on my hair. I use them to wash and condition my hair in the shower during the week.

I mix a few tbsp of powders into an old condish container. Fill it 1/3 with hot water. Shake it up well. Squirt in some oils and fill the rest with conditioner. Shake well to mix.

One mix has cleansing/moisturizing powders and the other mix has conditioning/moisturizing powders. I end up with a watery cleanser (my preference) and a thick, creamy conditioner. I use those mixes in place of a store bought shampoo or condish.

Hope this makes sense. And GL if you try it! :)

laylaaa
I see in your siggy that you use some of the shea moisture products. They work well with the powders due to all the nat ingredients.

I use a few tablespoons of the deep treatment masque and couple squirts of the restorative conditioner with the sukesh ayurvedic powder (first I mix the powder with hot water to make a paste). I also add 1 tablespoon of two diff oils and raw honey. I scoop it out like a relaxer but apply from scalp to ends in small sections on clean damp hair. I usually chelate with ORS creamy aloe poo before applying.

I leave this powder mix on for an hour under a plastic cap and scull cap. I then rinse in the shower as much as possible. Then I cowash with a cheap conditioner like vo5 for several washes to help get out all the powder. It is a chore getting it rinsed completely out but it is well worth it.

With this mix I didn't need to follow up with conditioner at all but it can be done.

Here is a link to the sukesh ayurvedic powder on hennasooq. I love this stuff. I have since used on my daughter's bsl hair and my sister's sl hair with great results!

http://www.hennasooq.com/sukesh-ayurveda/

Good luck!

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Thank you ladies for these mixes! Seems soo much simpler now! I'm off to do some more research. Sukesh Ayurveda reminds of Nupur Henna but without the color! I'm super extra glad you posted that link!
 
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I did a Sukesh paste from henna Sooq prepoo today. I did soo many treatments today I really don't know if it did anything...however I did think I noticed thickness immediately after i rinsed it out.

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awesome!! Keep it up! I had to find what works best for me and you will too :)

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hmmmm if this thread is not on time...I just recently discovered that im in fact a fine haired natural. I needed this thread. Thank you OP!
 
For all the fine haired women, I have a remedy. I now have thick hair because of it. I only wash my hair with Dr. Bronners peppermint castille soap and my conditioner is Aussie moist. My pre-poo mix is palm oil, Haitian castor oil, and olive oil. It makes my hair and skin so soft. I also take Priteva vitamins every day. It really helps. I only oil my hair with my mix, spray my hair with talliah Waajid mystifier and I make sure my hair is exposed to moisture everyday. I experiment with other products but that's my main regimen. Your hair will thicken after a while. Also I stopped weaving so much.
 
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