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I thought forgiveness was given by God?
I thought forgiveness was given by God?
I'm good. I talk directly to God everyday. I don't need nor want a middle man.It is, ladies. However, Jesus gave power and authority to his apostles and their predecessors throughout history. There is a protocol. Absolution is through G-d, via the priest. Abortions are so common place now, they do need direct and "easy" absolution via priests rather than awaiting the tribunal or via the bishops. Easier access and quicker.
I'm good. I talk directly to God everyday. I don't need nor want a middle man.
This is the major difference between Catholicism and Protestantism.
Catholicism believes you have to go before a priest/ patron saint and then the priest/ patron saint goes before God on your behalf and asks for your forgiveness. You can not go to God yourself.
Protestantism says we can approach God all by ourselves, you can speak directly to Him, you don't need a representative.
religious people are so weird
No, not actually. Replace that with any ethnicity or race to generalize and see it in a different light. I'm out now, just tried to give factual information. We face these types of opinions quite often, especially with protestants. Well, what can I say. I'd rather go to the source if I have a question. Catechism is online. Same if I wanted to know about Hinduism, I'd ask for source information from an adherent to the faith just so I got my info correctly. No hard feelings. But it's kinda hostile in here. Thing is, these rulings affect catholics, not for outsiders. It would be nice if people didn't invent nor have misconceptions they spread as fact.
I'm just curious about how it affects the Catholic Church's stance on abortion. Did it go from abomination to a forgivable sin? Or was it always forgivable?
It doesn't change anything from what I can tell. I'll ask my aunts this week what they have been told about this pronouncementI'm just curious about how it affects the Catholic Church's stance on abortion. Did it go from abomination to a forgivable sin? Or was it always forgivable?
@kanozas I updated my post about the patron saints. I was in a hurry and rushed that. Thanks for the correction.
I stand by my statement otherwise, there are several differences between the two, but Protestantism came forth as a direct rejection to the ideologies within the Catholic Church.
I also appreciate the information provided, but I'm Protestant, so this news in the OP doesn't apply to me.
1. Why do I have to confess my sins to a priest?
That’s the way Jesus set it up on Easter Sunday evening. He told his apostles that just as God the Father had sent him — and God the Father sent him to save us from our sins — so he was sending them.
He breathed on them the power of the Holy Spirit, giving them God’s power to forgive sins, since no one can forgive sins but God alone. He told them that whatever sins they forgive are forgiven and whatever sins they retain are retained (Jn 20:21-23; Mk 2:7).
Since the apostles were unable to read minds, the only way that they would know which to forgive and which to retain is if people told them their sins. Jesus thus established the essential structure of the sacrament of confession. Just as he uses priests to give us his Body and Blood at Mass so he uses them to give us His mercy in Penance.
33. Can my sins be forgiven outside of the Sacrament of Penance?
God, who created the sacraments for our salvation, is Himself not bound by them. Our sins are first forgiven, of course, through the sacrament of baptism.
For post-baptismal sins, the Church has always taught that, for example in a danger of death situation without the possibility of recourse to the sacrament of confession, God could forgive our sins if we pray to him with perfect contrition. The reality is, however, that we can never know if we’ve made a perfect act of contrition.
The Church teaches, therefore, that “individual, integral confession and absolution remain the only ordinary way for the faithful to reconcile themselves with God and the Church, unless physical or moral impossibility excuses from this kind of confession” (CCC 1484).
The great gift of this sacrament is that, if we confess all our serious sins with sorrow and a firm purpose of amendment, we do not need to doubt whether our sins have been forgiven.
God created this sacrament so that we might know he has forgiven us through the ministry of priests.
You have a fundamental lack of understanding. It's not saying that you cannot confess to G-d, it's saying that we go through the priesthood as given by Christ. First step is penitence (between you and G-d). There is a difference between mortal sins (requiring reconciliation/confession) and venial sins, which do not require going to the confessional. It's telling you that our sins are forgiven first through baptism and after baptism, through reconciliation. We are to go to reconciliation at least once yearly. If you didn't sin, particularly moral sins, well, I guess you don't need to confess anything.
It's funny to me how people pick parts that seem to explain everything but don't and as they are not Catholic, don't fully comprehend what is contained within it. You made a statement that we cannot go to G-d by ourselves by our beliefs. Still, incorrect. If you committed a mortal sin, then you follow the apostolic tradition given directly by Christ to confess to your priest. It's really not that difficult. We do pray to G-d, we do ask for forgiveness at home or where ever, we do have a personal relationship to Christ. The last red highlighted says that, yes, G-d can forgive our sins but we might know whether or not we made a full act of contrition (repentance). Lastly, please always cite your sources:
http://www.thelightisonforyou.org/confession/faq/
Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston
CCC refers to the Catechism of the Catholic Church as in the citation of the website (CCC 1484). The whole document is online, all 803 pages of it.
Well, last-lastly, if protestants protested this, then they went against the very Christ who instituted it. Shrugs. It's in the "Old" Testament (I prefer to say, First Covenant) and He didn't come to abolish the law. Maybe the others abolish the law but it's not us? I dunno. It is a thought. Whichever the case, you are not bound to this as you are not Catholic, as you mentioned. The article didn't indicate anything for non-Catholics either. I don't know why our faith bothers other people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It would definitely be nice to provide factual and complete information. You know, the bible talks about slaves obeying their master, marrying your rape victim and obliterating your Canaanite enemies. Explain that one lol. To outsiders who aren't knowledgeable, it looks like G-d isn't so nice. Your opinion is valid as your opinion but it is not fact for what we believe, practice and teach.
That's an understatement.religious people are so weird
Jesus breathed on the apostles and gave them the ability to forgive or retain sins. We believe Our Lord instituted all the Sacraments for a reason. Nothing Our Lord said was random or idle.
And you have to remember that historically, Christians were essentially unified on these major topics for 1500 years until the reformation. What I always say is for me it makes sense to go with the earliest interpretation of scripture because we see how easy it is for scripture to be manipulated.